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  • estimated-eyes
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    The sitting down or standing up at shows is a vexing issue. Pretty much every show I went to until the mid-2010s was a stand-up affair. Dancing or not, when the band was on the stage, most of the audience was out of their seats. The first time I ran into the issue in a significant way was at a Tedeschi Trucks Band show at the Morris Theater in South Bend, IN in 2016. I went solo and scored a 4th row ticket on Trucks side on the aisle. Looking around as I took my seat, I read the crowd as a sitting crowd, but I got up plenty and made myself as inconspicuous as possible (tough being over 6') in the aisle, but most folks stayed sitting throughout. After their main set, they come out and they are tuning up and a lady from the center yells, "Can we get up and dance?" Susan told us we could do what we wanted, get up and dance, sit, whatever. They proceeded to play a Bitches Brew jam that seriously melted my face, though I was probably one of only 10 people in the crowd who knew what they were playing.

    On the other end of the spectrum was a Phish show on Northerly Island in Chicago about 2012 or so. This was a GA show in a largely undeveloped field on this island. The night previous they had the set abbreviated by a big storm and promised a three set show this night. First set rocks and they go into break and think I can sit down and rest (I was in my 40s at this point in time) for the next set. Nope, Phish fans were constantly jostling for position, bumping me, stepping on me. After the 2nd set, I figure folks must be tired and want to sit down-- nope, more jostling. I have not attended a Phish show since-- if I can't sit down at set break, that is f-ed up.

    I am of the mind, let folks do what they want to do, like Susan said. Sit, stand, dance, whatever makes you happy. But, also let folks do what they want to do. Now, if you are a sitter, that may mean you are not going to have a good view for the show if the person in front is a dancer/stander, but that is the trade-off. At TTB this summer in Aurora, IL, it was a sitting crowd, so I went with that, however, when I did get up and explore, the sound was considerably better from a standing position.

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    Great watching Croatia knock Brazil out of the World Cup earlier today. Those Brazilian players are the worst behaved of any I have seen recently. The white haired ones seemed the worst. Fouling as often as possible, pretending to be fouled themselves, crying when they lost. What a shower. You wouldn't want to be standing behind them at a gig.

    Seeing your name reminds me, Colin, I may order that new King Crimson box before Christmas.

  • Colin Gould
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    It’s dangerous to browse the internet. I was looking for some other stuff and ‘The Lyrics of Syd Barrett’ appeared on the screen. I couldn’t resist it. It apparently came out last year but I missed it.

  • billy the kiddd
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    "What's Become of the Baby"

    "Waves of violet go crashing and laughing. The rainbow winged singing birds fly round the sun. Sun bells rain down in a liquid profusion. Mermaids on porpoises draw up the dawn. What's Become of the Baby this cold December morning?"

  • Cousins Of The…
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    Does anyone remember Allison?

  • Vguy72
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    33 years ago today....

    ....the Grateful Dead played The Forum in LA. Spencer Davis and Bruce Hornsby sat in.
    It's a grate show.

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    Nice-ness = good

    Nitecate you found the formula for making friends and influencing neighbors: asking nicely. A genuine smile and a look directly into someone's eyes often does the trick in modifying annoying behaviors. Unfortunately for me, there are certain lines in my face that I cannot hide, so I hope to distract with eye contact and a big smile. I can do that at least twice a year.

    Oro -- I'm on the mend. Had a 9-day follow-up today with a fresh EKG, exam of my entry wounds by a very nice looking young woman, and fresh advice on taking it easy another 20 days, with six meds per day (some twice) so I have something to do.

    Interestingly, and it's a bummer, that my local Dead Hippie Brewing is closing, so we're headin' there tonight as on most Thursday nights for an open mic gathering. The owners, Dean and Cheryl, are about as nice as you get and their hospitality and vibe has been infectious. You can walk in anytime, talk to anyone, hang, make friends and on Thursdays play your ass off and everyone is grooving on the great beer selection and the parking lot scene. Sound familiar? I often play Pigpen tunes and that automatically gets a rise out 'o the crowd, tunes like Easy Wind, Mr. Charlie, Operator, Big Boss Man (okay, Jimmy Reed ala Ron McKernan), I think there's others... oh yeah, Alligator acoustic (try it, it's actually a children's song when done sing-song acoustic).

    Poncho -- do you know the Setlist Program? It could be the source material for your Xcel spreadsheet, but you'd have to do data entry for 2,000 shows. We hardly knew ye when ye dropped off the face of the Earth...........

  • nitecat
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    HF, your story reminds me of a time at a Dead show. We were up front in our space and next to me was a large woman in a very furry sweater. Furry like prickly almost. And she kept rubbing my bare arm with her prickly sweater. Very annoying. I had to ask her nicely to move further away from me.

  • nitecat
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    Poncho - Deadbase Jr.

    Poncho, there used to be a little softcover pocketbook called Deadbase Jr. It had every known show and setlists. Not so overwhelming as the oversize Deadbase, but from the same people. Not a spreadsheet, but easy to deal with. Don't think it's published anymore. You might pick up one on ebay.

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    C'mon VGUY, if I knew that was YOU, I'd have no problem with you dancing in front of me, just tell the other 26 people to get the H*LL out of my sightline!!

    1STSHOW, LOVE the critters!! My experience with trying to capture good photos is to make sure my phone is ALWAYS nearby. The best shots I have only lasted for seconds before it would have been too late.
    For the record, I like Hobbes (with an E), and Big Boy Pete!! Lots of possible nicknames with those 2.

    Not sure what to do, so I think I'll listen to some music. It's the Best!!

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....the best thing about driving solo, is that a can listen to whatever the hell I want to without anyone bitching.
Started with some more Oingo Boingo. Good sing along songs imo, then the Dolphins/Texans game. Go 🐬's. Then Dave's 44. Then. Then the second set of Phish @ Amsterdam 7.2.97. Whoo boy. Lucky I didn't get pulled over listening to that. Badass set. Four songs. Thirty minute classic Stash followed by Llama then the Wormtown Jam, which is a one off mashed up Steve Miller's Swingtown with Anastasio's acid trip the night before where he rode on the backs of worms 🪱 in the canals of Amsterdam after going into a portalet, then Wading In The Velvet Sea.
I think I blew out my driver's door speaker.
Apologies if that's not your jam, but like I said, it's nice to drive solo.
Edit. Seems the dogs need food. Perfect excuse for the Free, David Bowie encore y'all!
Happy belated birthday Jimi and Simonrob. Rock on my brothers.

10 30 early show oh well late start apparently
10 30 late show worth a listen
10 31 early great setlist and energetic enough
10 31 late will need to listen at another time

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VGUY, I can so relate to driving alone while listening to anything I damn well please. I could make my 8 1/2 hour drive to New Hampshire a breeze. Going all the way back to the cassette era, 4 concerts would usually get me there, but occasionally I would just play 8-12 regular albums, be it on cassette or CD.
I still mostly listen to albums start to finish. On occasion I will break that custom, but it’s unusual for me. I think that’s yet more proof of my dinosaur status. Still, I don’t care about that. Great music can make a long drive feel like a very short drive. The right 3 Phish (or Dead) shows can get you 9 hours!!
Just before crashing, I decided I needed a nightcap. The problem was, will it be the Fillmore Bonus Disc, or the Beyond Description Bonus Disc?? Can’t really lose either way.
I went with the Fillmore disc, and boy howdy, I hadn’t listened to that 30 minute Caution in years. Just exploratory in all the best ways.
For sure I will play the Beyond Description disc tomorrow. Can’t wait to crank up the 32 minute Blues Fir Allah suite. Not to mention a WRS, Estimated, and a Shakedown. Man, I feel totally blessed right now, even though my 4-day weekend is officially over.
Best wishes to all whether you’re going through ups, downs or in betweens.
As I type, the ginger cat in my Icon is furiously head butting my chin to get some attention.
He (Petey) will also enjoy this big slab of Pig.

Sorry for rambling folks, but you know……
Music is the Best!!

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They showed this documentary on T.V. at the weekend - the film that was included in the Jimi box set a few years ago-which I still haven't got round to getting. Curious film - incredible picture and sound, though very frustrating in that it was more talking than music. I guess I should buy the box for the good stuff.

I thought those hippies were a right shower, though. I can vaguely remember people like Chuck Wein in the early - mid 70's. Slightly older people who had dropped out, and who sought to enlighten those around them with gems of spiritual insight. There was a guy in Oldham like that -had the most beautiful girlfriend who very rarely spoke. I can remember telling her once that I had been to see Genesis, and that they had put on good show. She stared at me for what seemed like ages, and then whispered "We are tired of shows." I felt like a right schmuck. It was as though she had stared into the heart and soul of the universe, and could no longer tolerate artifice of any kind.

Yes - Happy Birthday Simon. Don't set your guitar on fire!

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....their new single. Six years? For that? I went in open minded and listened to it three times. I am very disappointed. Dave Mustaine was right.
Guess they will stay in fifth place.

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....don't throw away the peels. Chop them up and let them soak in cold water for a couple of hours or so. There are vitamins in the peels. Pour the water onto your plants. It will help Let Them Grow. Greatly yield.
I learned that on the internet.

The first time I heard the transtion from acoustic to full-bore electric...a special moment. Walking on as path on a sunny day with headphones...a very special moment.

Seattle Times reports Metallica will play two Seattle shows in August/September 2024.

2024.

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Checking the experience vinyl site to see what they now say about "from the vault" series. 1 has been pushed back to spring 2023,,,, the other 2 "fall" this year. Right.

I see them hawking so glad you made it, why would anyone pre order it? They're over a year on "from the vault" initial release date!

Further i saw them hawking a pre order of Dicks 33 (275 bucks!!!), 8 LP's. I checked my shelf and sure enough there's 33 already?!?! Don't remember paying 275? But it's number.

Anyone seen anything of 3/2/69 fillmore to finish that set of vinyl?

Had the 50th anniversary of Thick as a Brick show up minutes ago. Remastered release comes with the original newspaper in it's entirety. My original copy from back in the day does not! I look forward to reading it :-)

Enjoy

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The doc recently exhibited some fine sleuthing regarding identifying a date of a 1970 show. I'm surprised there has not been any discussion of the call by the Owsley Stanley Foundation to help identify a date of a June 1968 show discussed in the current almanac under the heading "Friends & Relations". Here's an excerpt:

"The Owsley Stanley Foundation found some never circulated ’68 dead featuring the earliest versions of “St. Stephen” and the first versions of “Dark Star” to crack the 10-minute mark. They’re not in the world just yet, but keep watching the skies!"

In the full story there's a l i n k. Once there, there's a call to help figure out the date of the show. Curious to hears Doc's & others thoughts on this.

Apologies if this was discussed here or elsewhere & I missed the discussion.

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Hey rockers!!

In reference to the restored Carousel 1968 recording, in this case---as in all others---I don't have an special insights or inside information. The write-up at the OSF Facebook page really says it all, in great depth. It seems like it's early June. In any case, it looks awesome!! And hopefully will be officially released some time soon!

I thought for a moment that the recently (November 1, 2022) circulated remaster of the June 8/9 show(s) might be the show mentioned by OSF, but the setlists are vastly different. What currently circulates for June 8/9 is: Excerpt #1: //St. Stephen [tape speed variable at the start] > That's It For The Other One > Turn On Your Lovelight//; Excerpt #2: //Morning Dew//-//Hurts Me Too//-Dark Star-St. Stephen >Turn On Your Lovelight//. This June 8/9 remaster is really excellent sound quality. Thanks very much to the folks that made that possible. Anybody who needs/wants, you know where to find me.

Based on what OSF has released so far---all of which are excellent---it appears they have an emphasis on non-Dead releases. Which means maybe they will leave the Dead stuff to the Dead organization itself. My guess is, that being the case, don't expect a flood of releases, probably more like a trickle........

Time moves in one direction, memory in another...........

Rock on,

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Time and memory are true artists; they remould reality nearer to the heart's desire.....

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I have been away awhile. Seems like the usual suspects here. I haven't just been away from the site but away from the Dead. I finally listened to Dave's 41, 42, and 43, on a long drive which is what inspired me to mention it here. As someone who only in the last few years began to understand the Dead, I have to say, going from May 1977 to Feb 1974 to Nov/Dec 1969, it is like literally listening to three different bands, four if you include the acoustic music. All great performances. I sometimes hear people comment that they don't need any more 1977. I only have a couple of 77 shows so this one sounds great to me. The 1969 material is my pick of the bunch. I would give just about anything to go back in time and see Pigpen in his prime. And on first listen I thought the Feb 22, 1974 show was not nearly as good as what I will call its "counterpart" Feb 24, 1974, Dave's 13.

Now I just need to get caught up on a few months of posts. Everyone take it easy.

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Dennis, if you're not familiar with small local British newspapers from that time I'm not sure you'll get the joke..

....is an incredible movie. I feel honored Butch. What can I say? I love the cinema.
Just finished watching Avatar. Prepping for part two, thirteen years later.
Yall know, The Tull put out a record last year I hope.

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Hey now! It's likely been mentioned in these comments, but please consider donating to Archive.org and the Rex Foundation on this Giving Tuesday.

Be kind, rewind . . .

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Butch-going beyond May, 11/6/77 - Daves 25, is worth squeezing in. Great versions of Dire Wolf and Music Never Stopped. Having said that - I'm listening to it now, and they seem to be having a bit of a nap after singing the verses of Scarlet Begonias.
Not sure about those two skeletons leaning against a tree to advertise 30 Days of the Dead. I suppose that's the brand - and it's better than teddy bears - but..... why have a brand at all ? Surely The Dead were originally opposed to all that kind of thing.

I never got the joke when I first saw it, I must admit. I never owned up to this when it was first pointed out to me of course. "Aqualung" was the one I liked most by Jethro Tull - spitting out pieces of his broken luck. Some of it's barely quotable in todays world. It was along way from Buddy Holly, that's for sure.

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I leave in a bit to do a quick turnaround run to Zion National Park in an hour or so...I was asked by some folks yesterday if I could drop them off and I said $ure...so on the way back home (5 hours) I can test my new car audio system!!!! I love that my new deck plays Hi Res files on a flash drive...I have numerous drives filled so away we go!!! Friday I head to Vegas for the Pac 12 Championship, USC (Fight On) vs Utah at Allegiant Stadium...game's at 5:00 PM so I'll drive home afterwards (4 hours) ...thought about staying overnite but room co$t$ were ridiculous...$400 for Motel 6? I think not!!!

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Motel 6, not so much.

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At the Fillmore 1997 looks good.
4 CD deluxe set seems very affordable.
Anyone got this yet?
Cheers

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where else can you pay 50 cents for a key to turn the tv on!

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I think it was Nitecat that asked for any info about 31 Days of Dead 2022. In any case, I just got an email from Ed Martin, and looks like he's gonna do it again this year:

Hello my friends!!! It's that time of the year again. I’m very excited to bring you another installment of the 31 Days of Dead. Most of you know the drill, but for those who don't here is some background...

Similar to what dead.net does in November, I pick a live track (or tracks) for download each day in December and do a quick write-up. Unlike the “Official 30 Days of Dead,” there is no contest here. Instead, the prize is the music and the winner is the listener.

I started these annual projects in 2010. I had no idea where this would go, nor did I care. I did it for no reason other than my own personal enjoyment - I still do. To my surprise, what started as daily email blasts to a small group of friends has grown to an Instagram account that has over 35k followers. I am grateful to every single one of you for the love you have shown. Follow me on Instagram at @31daysofdead

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These 2 shows from 1977 for the next Daves Pick from Portland Oregon look fantastic!

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Just so happens that's the title of my first ever horror novel, "Jim & Motel 666." I just sent it off to the publisher last night.

This place is amazing, everybody is so incredibly plugged in to everything important going on in the universe. This shit seems to happen on a daily basis.

Thanks folks!

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I heard his Live Anthology set from 10 years ago, and the band is outstanding live. This Fillmore set looks like a bunch of covers. I think some of them may be the same renditions as Live Anthology. Personally I think this band is so good live they could sing the ABCs and it would sound good. Go to YouTube and check out Gloria. That makes me want to go by this set. There's a rap in there I would swear is a tribute to Pigpen.

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My posts seem to be turning into obituary notices but I have to say
RIP Christine McVie

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Wow. I was never a big Fleetwood Mac fan, but I always liked her and felt she was very underrated. Think of me what you will, but I love Songbird.

Yes. Please donate to the archive. Before year end if possible as all donations are being matched.

You also have an option to pay in cryptocurrency for those of you who still may own that stuff. I decided to pay with actual money.

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Not Christine Perfect. Dang.
My favorite in FMac.
Not just Songbird, Morning Rain, Show Me a Smile, Homeward Bound, Spare Me a Little of Your Love, The Way I Feel, Why, Don't Stop (thinking about tomorrow), You Make Loving Fun, Oh Daddy, and backing vocals on Kiln House. Oh, and anything she wrote after Rumours, which is the last one I own. A great talent. She lived a simple life after her touring years. Raise a toast to Christine.
Cheers

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Christine passes and Petty's estate puts out a must-have box. (Four-CD box pre-ordered without hesitation.)

And all I was gonna post is that -- having mentioned my trajectory -- HF lives another day. Home from the hospital after cardiac ablation. Knocked me on the arse, it did. Had to stay overnight and was glad I wasn't home alone last night. Next 90 days will tell if it worked. Like all such surgeries, if I knew how rough it would be, I mighta thought twice. It's all right -- back home and picking on the Martin D-35 to distract from the aching in my chest, said to be expected.

Both Christine and Petty went too soon, especially the latter, at 66, from fatal toying with fentanyl. I got a story about my own flirting with that stuff, but perhaps too gory for the forum.

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To HF!
Keep on truckin'.
Cheers

Jeezum crow. Firstly, my best wishes that this episode gets in the rear view fast. As someone post 70 with a host of situations, have some sense of unexpected and unwanted hospital visits... basically they suck. I kid myself with what Daltrey sang 57 some years ago, "... before I get old". And then shite happens as it does and will for all of us and it turns into, gee, if I knew I was going to live this long, I would have... We make it this far, we have all lost dear friends and family. So, dug out the old photos, concerts apprehended in the early 70s, my first Dead, BB King, Tom Waits, Dylan with The Band, John McLaughlin, Roy Buchanan, ELP, even a fourteen year old Tanya Tucker (for your ticker) right after she hit with Delta Dawn. Perhaps best of all, photos from Watkins Glen, there's this guy near the stage just left of center, who looks like you, only a little younger. Jeezum crow.

....I wanna say around 1991.
It was a really good show. Mick had a drum jacket on.
Godspeed Christie. I always thought you had a better voice than Stevie.
Pray for John. I know he's devastated.
I went through most of their catalog in 2020.
I'm listening to Mirage. Turns out they have songs called Eyes Of The World and Wish You Were Here on the deluxe version. How about that!
Google Jerry Garcia Christine McVie.
Or check out my avatar.
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HF - good luck. Hopefully you will be up and rocking again in the New Year.

I never really heard Fleetwood Mac, apart from their singles. In fact I don't think I have ever heard one of their albums. But best wishes to all connected, however distantly, and I hope Christine McVie rests in peace.

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Check her out pre-Fleetwood Mac, she was with Chicken Shack, an excellent R&B band.

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I had a look at the Tom Petty box set. So far, I’ve resisted temptation but probably not for long. Unfortunately, while looking at it I noticed an 8 CD box set ‘Bert Jansch at the BBC’ and a 6 CD box by Plainsong and a book ‘In Search of Plainsong’ and I couldn’t resist them even though I have several versions of the Plainsong albums I just need the extras.

Joining a few strands together Andy Roberts, the guitarist in Plainsong, was earlier in The Liverpool Scene and they had a track called ‘ I’ve got the Fleetwood Mac, Chicken Shack, John Mayall can’t fail blues’. I loved Chicken Shack and The Liverpool Scene.

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I haven't heard much by them either, but from what I have heard, I think they would be more my cup of tea than the Fleetwood Mac of the 70s. Stan Webb on guitar has a great reputation.

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in Denver. Follow up:
Rky. Mtn. Public Radio has hired a new GM that goes way back in the scene and started KHIH jazz radio BITD. So hopefully with some of the staff kept on in key positions we can get back to reality and not Kenny G (no offence Kenny, I love hearing you in elevators). The GM is also the first black woman to GM a radio station in Colorado. At least we are going in the right direction.
Cheers

I had to read up on what you had done. Not fun, not one bit of fun.

Heal up man.. hopefully it's one of those things that needed to get done so you can resume your 'normal' life of fear and loathing in CO.

On the bright side, your radio options just improved.

May the four winds cover your deductible.

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And I use that term loosely (where's Oro when I need him to take a swipe at me??). Feeling WAY better today, so I thank all you kind hearted souls for support. I'm tempted to think it was the anaesthesia that threw me, I was "on the slab" for 2 1/2 freakin' hours -- thankfully not the good ForensicDoc slab...

So, the sun's out, I'm in a chair with guitar and I got nothin' to bitch about. And to all facing challenges -- the known knowns and the unknown knowns -- my complete empathy.

DMCVT: at Watkins Glen I was wearing a bright red shirt with tiny white polka dots. Shoulder-length blond hair, but cannot remember if I had it in a 'tail' or not. I still have two pics of the boys from the Saturday show as they played PitB (used to have four shots) that showed them moving together into a tight circle as they jammed it out. That summer '73 material would be really fun to hear after all these years. I've had some sub-par copies that I can't get into. I think pristine sound quality would be wonderful.

Okay, I'm silently 'yelling' MORE '68!! The doc told me to stay quiet for a few.... good luck with that!

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Get well soon, HendrixFreak!

R.I.P., Christine. You were a class act and a great musician and songwriter.

Anyone watching the World Cup? I'm addicted to it . . .

Be kind, rewind . . .

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Get well soon HF - sending you healing vibes

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Call me color blind. Alas, HF, my Watkins Glen photos were taken with b&w film. Faster, better for low light. Will review with rose colored glasses. Love the sound of those old Martins. Will go see neighbor and 84 year old veteran musicologist Jim Rooney play his in a couple weeks, if it don't snow too hard.

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Vibes much appreciated, trust me.

Hey, I ordered the new Petty 4-CD box Monday, it just landed. It is a model of minimal packaging while still being a fun package. I know that Dave & Co. love to work up each year's box and I have no complaints, I have argued that the effort on the packaging lends dignity to the music release. But environmentally I wonder whether a new more minimalist approach would be welcomed on GD boxes.

Just a thought... Hitting the couch now. Many thanks for the support.

DMCVT: look for a gray-ish shirt with tiny white dots! Gawd, that was an experience, especially at my age back then.

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