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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #6671
    DeadVikes
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    Good to see you back in the loop. Hope all is well. New system is always exciting.
    I am willing to give Dave's 31 another try. Haven't listened to it since last year.

    Took out Good old Dave's 25, the BINGHAMTON NY 77 show. Some of these shows keep getting better with each listen.
    Oroborous, you are a wild man. What a ride!

    Be well folks. I have heard rumblings in other pages about big announcements coming. Don't know about that but we do know Dave's 35 will be announced in July. Maybe they will give Oroborous an 85 pick?

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    6.28.85 Hershey Park....

    ....another one of my first tapes. Bird Song-> Comes A Time -> Deal. A rare Garcia trifecta to end the first. Music Never Stopped-> Tom Thumbs to open the second. How do you guys keep bringing up my first loves? And why does this band keep following me?
    Here's kind of a story. I tripped balls listening to this tape in 1989. That's all I got.

  • #6673
    wilfredtjones
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    You know it's on Dave's radar as he has played some of it on 30 Days in past years. Good show and one of my first tapes. Keep the stories coming! :-)

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    So after basically staying up for 2 days at SPAC, we finally pack it up and hit the road the next day. I believe it was a rainy, gloomy day most of the day. But that didn’t stop our idiot patrol from basically racIng at high speed through the fine but conservative state of Pennsytuckey, where they were one of the last to let go of the 55 mph laws, and back then there usually wasn’t much tolerance. So 2 cars of totally raging nutknicks, with probably enough cargo to keep us detained for decades, thought it’d be a good idea to race at speeds up to 90!, Idiots!.....yes, one car had a radar detector, but in those days smart cops would wait for some nut traveling high speed and click it on when they had ya dead nuts.
    Luckily, all was well and it was one more “miracle” as we earnestly pursued our quest for “too much of everything is just enough”, aaaa, never considered back then maybe Bob was being sarcastic? Lol
    So we roll on into Chocolate town late and all beat up. I’m guessing we grabbed some kind of drive through, but not sure and as we were hardcore vegetarian then, perhaps we thought we’d grab something there? It’s all such a blur, I do recall the lot we were in had no or little Shakedown action going on. That still wasn’t in full flight anyway, and don’t recall much there, so maybe we drank our supper? I know I scored some Carlsberg Elephant beer, and believe I may have finished it, though that is a tall order even under good conditions so perhaps not. I’m sure I put in dent in it at least! So, that and the last of one z of veggies, though the tricky part was it was mostly just powder and scraps and so no normal produce to properly gage etc, which would turn out to be a tactical error...
    So it’s late, we’re tired, but tweaked, perhaps no dinner, and of course it’s horrible out. Dark, rainy, and cold is usually not how you want to do your Dead. Eventually we get in perfect time, slip right in front of the SB and try to make the best of the situation. Well I had a shirt, a black baseball jacket, and the electric Buffalo Hyde, but even still it was damp and cold at first. Eventually, when things started to take hold and we started boogieing, we began to warm up a bit.
    Meanwhile, the set list is awesome, but the conditions, which necessitated all the stage and PA speakers being covered in plastic (there was no stage lid) thereby severely effecting the audio. It’s was such a weird show that way, loved the little “stadium” and the nice audiophile stereo set up, with surrounds, great set list, mostly good playing, yes JGs vocals are a little ruff in the first set, but you have to cut some slack as it was terrible, I mean depending on the wind/rain they were getting rained on playing electrical instruments! Weird indeed, but like so many times in adverse conditions our heroes seemed to rise to the challenge. Thus the playing was perhaps more relaxed, steady and together and not forced like the previous night. Really, besides JGs vocal issues in the first, its a top notch show!
    The second set really starts to take it higher with stellar versions of Music Never Stopped, Terrapin, Miracle and one of the best Dews I’ve ever seen! I think I saw about 14 or 15 Dews and when I think about Dews I’ve seen, this one is the one I always think of first! Rocking Stones/NFA with a spirited Day Job. I liked Day Job, but by now it was getting a tad old, and was a disappointment for this show considering how high it was at that point. A She Belongs or Baby Blue would of been a perfect Cherry on top, but perhaps that’s being greedy?
    Now since the weather was such a factor, we must discuss that and how it influenced this show. The second set starts out with their “signing in the rain” as Bob says, and it’s a good’n! Next they slowly slid into an unusual sounding Tom Thumbs which I had never heard yet, and wasn’t even sure at first what it was, but hey, it was Phil so that’s all I needed to know! Good but perhaps truncated Estimated, followed by an awesome Terrapin. So as the set started to progress, so did the weather until (I think?) around Estimated it really started to clear up and they started pulling the plastic tarps down. It was almost like you could immediately hear it get better after each one was removed. Eventually by about Terrapin, they tarps we’re gone, the moon and stars were out, and Healy started increasing the volume and tweaking the mix. I remember we were goading him to turn it up, and man eventually he sure did!
    As the night wore on it began to warm up a bit too. But as you’ve heard this scenario, or been there yourself, many times I didn’t feel quite high enough so what the hell, one more time with the powder veggie crumbles just before drums......hee-hee....you know, “I’m not feeling it?” and then...Dooah!
    So the problem with those baseball jackets is they don’t really breath and the electric Buffalo Hyde was thick plastic. We didn’t have all the nice technical outer gear we have now, or at least WE didn’t. I could barely afford the free plastic one from the old mans work.
    Well a perfect storm mounted; little or no food, Elephants, veggies etc, no sleep, excess everything and underlying exhaustion, with me starting to overheat due to the above and dancing with that plastic shell on. Things were going unbelievable well, and partly influenced by the very recent passing of my Grandfather, during Dew, things peaked musically, the sound, the night, the stars, emotionally etc etc until I had one of the most powerful musical/emotional/psychedelic peak experiences of my life. Perhaps my all time GD moment, it was that powerful. But what goes up must come down and just like that the radiator blew and that last handful of shroom dust fully kicked in and somewhere in Throwing Stones, right during ashes, ashes all fall down, well.....I say i didn’t really fall down, it was more like an immediate realization that if I don’t sit down rapidly, I’m going down! LOL, so one way or another, depending on who you believe, I end up down in the soft, cool mud until near the end of the song, but I swear just as I tried to get up I knew it wasn’t going to happen, so right on que again I go back down. My friends to this day always bring up my perfectly coreographed “Dance moves” above all else that happened on this tour..35 years later and it’s still “ashes, ashes, Pedro falls down” !
    That would of all been well and good except things were very strange and weren’t wearing off, and I was barely functioning. I never would of found the car etc If not for my homies. Honestly all I remember is them pulling into a Wendy’s or something, but I just sat in the car with my face literally stuck to the window and crackled! Zzzzttttt. I really thought I had finally fried some essential circuits and thought this time I really did it. At some point I snapped out enough to find some kids in another car staring at me with a look of concern if not fear. Luckily, the boys finished up and came out and got us outta there. Somewhere near the state line we finally grabbed a motel as we all had had more than enough rain and adversity. Plus the next day was off and the drive short. I remember they propped me up in bed and I just sat and crackled and worried. Eventually I slept and though I felt better the next day, I didn’t feel normal and don’t recall much except when we got to Merriweather and found a good spot just over the creek, right next to the path, in some trees, on the way to the big parking lots to the right of the venue. But now it was nice and I was feeling more normal so not so freaked out. I also remember going to a nearby sorta plaza with an upscale liquor store where I scored my first sixer of EKU 28 ever which was awesome!
    So now we’ve moved beyond the insanity of TOGA, the adversity and majesty of Hershey, and ready for perhaps the best overall show of the tour on 6/30/85....

    EDIT: Otis, congrats on the stereo. All that matters is if your happy with it. After all the specs and hyperbole etc, no matter how big, small, expensive etc, in the end, that’s all that counts!

  • #6675
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    Nice rec for the TDIGDH 6/28/76 show! I'd never heard that one before, and it is pretty sweet. The "Happiness is Drumming" is certainly a highlight!

    I have been out of the loop for a bit - trying to deal with some personal stuff on my end, and I just kind of lost track of things around these parts. I hope to be able to participate more going forward.

    To that end, how about a pick for tomorrow, Monday 6/29? I am thinking Dave's 31 - 12/3/79 Uptown. I feel like this pick got a short shrift on the DaP page, but I remember being very happy with it, though I haven't given it a proper listen since it first came out. What do you all think?

    One positive thing that I have accomplished since I've been away has been the set up of my first component stereo system. I don't know if it compares to all of your "big boy" systems, but it certainly feels BIG in my little row home! Looking forward to playing it LOUD tomorrow when the wife goes to work.

    Peace

  • #6676
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    Bode Miller...

    First, GOGD, I did not mean to single you out, over generalizations, which become stereotypes, which become truth etc, really bum me out. So it was more of a trigger to that, not you personally. I know you were just repeating this line.
    Actually, as I’ve dug in deeper, there are probably a significant number of shows where he often doesn’t sound so good, but to over generalize that “his voice was shot”, as in never more, to me, imho, that completely devalues and discounts all the amazing, great sounding stuff he was still able to do. 87,88,89,90,91anyone? Micro view versus macro perhaps?

    SECOND: I must humbly recant my tale of dancin in the rain. As we were diligently experiencing TOGA last night. Too things became apparent. First, perhaps JG was a tad “caffeinated” at the start of both sets. Listening close on a real system, (not the big boy, but the living room system which ain’t no slouch!), he seems a tad to fast and/or their not fully entrained. One could argue not fully so until Women Are?...so probably something to do with him totally skipping the Key Rain Storm, and Jailhouse versus, of Bertha, lol.
    Thus, while I wasn’t deceitful, I was not accurate. Sure enough, when Holmes and Watson ripped a spleef and fired up Bertha from SPAC 6/24/84, and bingo, ding, ding, ding, ding! Right venue, wrong year! 😂 Ooops, my apologies to the dear reader...but hey, it’s a fun interesting new tid bit, and it did rain, I think, lol.
    While doing this research I was listening just on the iPad and interestingly he doesn’t sound as bad? Also, I’ve been going with the HS matrixes, especially shows where I want to hear those crowd big moments. Generally they’ve been pretty good, but researching, I used a CM transfer and man, definitely a big difference. Perhaps number one being the speed/time of the Miller seemed better and more natural?
    Subjective I know, just that it’s interesting how every variable can effect perceptions.
    6/27/85: so this beast is still as much of a rocket sled ride as I’ve thought, but it’s perhaps a tad more unpolished then I would of said in the past. But that’s being picky, and you know I prefer danger dead to safe, so as at this moment, Hell in a bucket is scorching, I stick by this show for that, the cool set list, and the fact that eventually, say around Women Are on out, that part of the show stands with its lofty summer 85 neighbors. Probably have to give 6/24& perhaps 6/25? a slight advantage overall, but man I haven’t been to many shows that had the vibe, fun, and overall madness of this puppy.

    So why is 85 Dead like Bode Miller? He often was criticized for his erratic style, or lack thereof, his nonconformity, often disregard for the rules, including parting then basically going 80 MPH down an insane pitch, that was usually hosed down to make it more icy, and thus faster! So just like this era of Dead, sometimes he’d DQ, sometimes he’d slack off, sometimes it was ugly, but when he brought it, that mofo brought it!! and when he was able to be one with the force, it was fucking breathtaking! Scary, but breathtaking. No matter what, if he was racing there was an energy, an excitement, that larger than life vibe......that, to me, is 85 Dead.
    FINALLY: Ladies and Germs, May I present the Electric Buffalo Hyde! as christened by my degenerate cohort due to my resemblance of the great beast of the prairies back in the day, and this baby used to be so bright people would ask if there were batteries. But Alas, like youth itself it’s faded dramatically, and is old and bartered. It definitely gave it’s all to R&R. So many Dead shows, festivals, camping, parties, you name it! Also, it will be a part of an unfortunate situation at the next night, where I lost my shit in Hershey! So until then....

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    If you are too busy to listen to whole show, listen to Happiness is Drumming from set II, if you have never heard or listened to listen you will be pleasantly surprised!!! There is a Charlie Miller soundboard on Internet Archive!!!! bob t

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    Sounds like the ole SPAC '85 show will get some play today.

    Always a fun revisit. Vguy & Keithfan that was you guys?! That's funny.

    I guess I always thought this was an indoor show because of the balcony stuff and didn't know about the rain storm.

    Tell us more.

    And just for the record if I happen to say Jerry's voice is shot, what I mean to say is I love Jerry's voice, even though it's a little shot here. ;)

    I agree, it always sounds great to me.

    Enjoy party people!

  • #6679
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    We were out on the lawn so actually there were many drops, I mean it was already raining hard, and right when he sang that line, biblical!, but it just added to the madness and was one of my favorite concert/rain moments ever! I believe that’s right when folks crashed security on those balcony ramp ways and turned it into a free for all? Yeah, that was the shit, such energy all around, but that rain just took it to another level. Luckily I had my electric buffalo Hyde on! .....it was a psychedelic neon yellow long rain coat with
    BS CORP
    WORK SAFELY (from pops work) printed on back, and a Dancin skeleton sticker underneath that I added. Still have it! I should take a pic and post...fond it moving last year.

  • #6680
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    Deadheadbrewer: yeah, I’m with you, I can’t keep up with these rascals! Pant-pant 😉
    Haven’t done Riverbend, Nassau or Dane. Prolly give Nassau a spin this WE. Dane I’ve tried to stay away from cause ya gotta believe their going to give us that one someday! Bastards better! and I’d prefer it on virginal ears!
    hey, by the way, how you guys coming on that tunnel under the vault?
    So I listen to Riverbend 6/24/85 sort regularly so no biggie there except in the sense of comparing shows. Except It’s cool to go in order to see the subtle changes and how things progress. Like 6/25/85, definitely have felt a ascending arc since the first night in Alpine. Funny thing is I don’t think I’ve heard the second set of this one before? Had a tape of the first all along, but I think it was a tad too crisp so didn’t get as much love as the shows around it. Plus I think maybe I harbored some subliminal resentment for the show because of our decision to skip it to go to Toga early like we did in 84, which was awesome. Obviously if it made us skip a show that close to home, but Doooaahhh. So not sure how it’s the shows fault. LOL, but I think somehow I’ve had some weird thing about this show that has kept me away? Sorry, ramblings of a deranged lunatic!
    Anywho, finally gave this bad boy a spin yesterday, though had to do it in 2 sessions as life just keeps buttin’ in like a 3 year old when mom and dad are trying to get down! Man what a show. The only really noticeable hiccup I recall was JG at the start of Jimmy, and Bob missed a vocal, really a great set, better than I remember, though I always liked it, just the tape was lesser then the others...
    Second set was hot too, though perhaps they lost just a little near the end? Or maybe that was me as it was late, and by that time on a Friday this ole cowboy is usually not feeling much pain! I recall a couple little blemishes, but so what, you name any show, anyone, and I can find stuff wrong. And sorry, but I’m kinda over hearing about how terrible JGs voice is. Yes, sometimes it’s ruff, but sometimes I think the gravelly age worn voice ADDs to the affect of the songs, which is perhaps what he did best. And frankly, I’ll take the gravel voice singing in tune over a lot of that 1970 stuff we’re between the guitars and the vocals something is ALWAYS out of tune. That’s torturous for a musician.
    Now I’m not trying to diss anyone’s favorite Dead etc, just stating an opinion that people perhaps overdo it with the voice comments. My favorite is when people say “I can’t listen to anything after 77”....ok, we’ll that’s cool as it’s your choice and all, but I’d say really you just have made up your mind you don’t want to like anything after that, and you probably haven’t heard enough and with the right kind of ears. Seriously, I challenge anyone to pick a “perfect” “best of “ show and if I have time I will find the cracks!
    But that’s missing the point which is ITS ALL GOOD! and every era has something positive that the others don’t have. It’s all ways been yin yang folks, there is no such thing as a perfect show, except in our minds eye, which is quite A ok.
    Ok, rant over, I’m obviously biased about my beloved 85!
    Which brings us back to TOOOOOOOGGGGAAAAA!! Yo Butch, back in your seat, there’s 50 thousand people waiting for you to get back in your seat! Madness, the whole scene there was just surreal fucking madness, but in a good way.
    I’m actually going to try and call my old house/band mates at the time as we all went. 2 I think went to blossom, and Pittsburgh. That one too, like WTF basically could of stopped by on the ride home from Merriweather, idiots! Lol, actually, I’m not sure I could have done another show. I may have caused permanent damage at Hershey, and thank god for that day off that I can’t recall much about, and I did take it a tad easier after, but not much. We ate so many veggies on that run that nobody would believe it. But I know what I came with and what was left after so.....looking back, it’s all kinda scary, we’re lucky we never had any real casualties of any sort. Few close calls, but nothing major, phewwww.
    So going to call the lads, and fire up Toga tonight as We have to do a Zoom wedding this afternoon. We were supposed to be out at the Promised land for said wedding and a actual vacation, first since Seattle in ?? 2012!
    Think Homer Simpson “oohhhh, Ssstttooooopid Covid”
    Speaking of living via the net, was that not a fine show on Shakedown last night! Didn’t have the fire like the night before, but a fine well played outing, thanks so much to Dave and Co. for giving us this nice diversion. It’s getting to b3 a regular weekly thing, and gasp, the Mrs has actually been joining me and digging it! .....as long as I give her a good foot massage (usually during drums). She really digs the trippy graphics and colors which is even funnier as she’s never partaken except booze back in da day, it’s like giving a kid castor oil just getting her to have a beer, lol. So yeah, this Friday thing has been like the “ONE” in our music! Right on! and please keep em coming!
    Ok, gotta try and call the guys and reminisce before the wedding. Then.....drum rolls please..........TOOooooGa!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Thu, 12/15/2022 - 16:56

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damn this shakedown sounds so good.

just got out of hernia surgery so maybe its the meds ; )

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 12/15/2022 - 21:35

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Shoot Bluecrow, hope you made it through okay.

Another fine 79 OB. Man, the sound quality on this one is really good. Cleveland, any given night. Good first set.
Second set really shines, with that great Shakedown to start, Samson, High Time, Estimated Eyes into a funky jam. I think I heard a Shaw of Iran line in US Blues to end the show?
Great pick OB.
Definitely worth checking this one out.

Be well all.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Thu, 12/15/2022 - 22:30

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I'm all good DV. Had a great team and it all went smooth, just got to take it easy for a little bit. Woke up this morning a bit freaked out, and had been a little freaked for a bit, but now that's it's in the rear-view mirror glad I went through with it. Had a good friend who could drive me, it's out patient but the hospital won't discharge you on you're own, and then after some 11/29 listening had a great dinner with him and his wife and that really put a good finish to it all. Got a long drive home tomorrow but don't think that will be an issue. Stop and stretch and walk from time to time with some ibuprofen and tylenol rather than the strong stuff.

So yeah I was maybe 1-1/2 hrs out from discharge and decided to try that Shakedown and it sounded my-t-fine. Having listened to Set II I'll say it's a hot one and the board sounds great and the pain med was maybe a small splash of special sauce in listening to it. That High Time was a real treat dropped in the middle of that pre-drumz and some cool strangeness jammed out towards the end of Eyes. sweet drumz directly into a geat Black Peter. Jerry and the band very much on whole set. Still haven't listened to Set I, but I'll say that Set II was exactly what the doctor ordered, swear to god!! Paging Dr. Shot, Dr. Oro. Dr. Oro and Dr. Shot. Right there on the script: "Relax and listen to some hot Fall '79!"

I knew some guys who grew up in Cleveland area - long out of touch unfortunately - not sure if they saw this one, but there's a couple other real good theater shows from Cleveland, I think in '80 and '81, that they talked about for sure. Of course there's that one-off Jack-a-Roe show in '78. Yet another midwest rust belt town where the Dead brought the goods time and again. Pretty wild to think that the Dead were playing the very next night at the Stanley, with 12/1 the night after that.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 12/16/2022 - 05:26

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Snow Shows...Anyone got one that immediately springs to mind? Richfield '93? Not terribly great reviews from what I recall...

I'll go with Cleveland '79 in the meantime.

Stay Grateful All! :-)

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Submitted by bluecrow on Fri, 12/16/2022 - 07:31

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Never had a true snow show with the GD, though first show 2/3/78 was a solid winter icy road show driving over from MN. However had a real fun one 12/29/2000 with the Dark Star Orchestra at the Vic Theatre in Chicago. Brother and friends lived close so we walked. Snowing hard when we got there. Fun show - they played 12/29/1977 with that first return of China>Rider. Walked out afterwards to find the entire city pretty much shut down to traffic. There was cop standing stoically and silent outside the theatre who literally had 4+ inches of fluffy snow on top of his brimmed cap it was coming down so hard. An amazing sight. It was a hoot and just plain beautiful walking up the middle of the street, no traffic, stopping at a couple of bars on the way home. City was digging out for a few days. Guessing Oro or DV might have one or 2 up their sleeves.

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No heavy lifting like 45 minute PITBs or huge Dark Stars.
Been there, done that one twice. The second was a double inguinal.
All tight and tidy for years now. I still limit lifting to 50 lbs. but 35 is probably better. The meds are fun but only for a couple of days.
Take care, and cheers

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 12/16/2022 - 08:18

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Perhaps not a snow show, but…how’s bout some crackling 85 to go with the finally Friday energy?
9/7/85 anyone?

No snow shows BC, but some dozey rain shows: Toga 84 & 85, Pittsburg 95 etc.
never saw em past early November and never until March in the spring.
There was that Richfield cancelation that my cousin went to, but I was going back to school then so was not in show mode.
Cleveland rocks! Not sure what it is but…
More later, I gotta git down, to the miiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnneee

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 12/16/2022 - 08:52

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That is funny Bluecrow, I was thinking of this show as well. Dick's #10. The return of China Rider!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Fri, 12/16/2022 - 08:56

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Funny you should mention that IstShow, because one of the discs I brought to spin for the drive is that Cleveland 12/6/73 bonus disc with that 46(?) minute Dark Star. We'll see what happens ;)

Hope Friday in the mine goes smoothly Oro. I think not 1 but 2 of the 80/81 shows in Cleveland had a Casey Jones which I think was pretty rare in the rotation back in those days. Some lake effect snow maybe?

Maybe it was the propofol lol.
I think I broke out that 12/6/73 DS immediately after my last colonoscopy to fully enjoy the lingering effects of the propofol!
I was gonna tease ya with no lifting any box sets lol.
But seriously, hope you mend well and get back to the back country adventures soon!

Curious if you got the mesh that their using even though it’s supposed to be bad?
(1st show too?)
I’ve had a herniated navel for years. Didn’t bother me but it’s getting worse last couple years, probably from work, now size of a goofball. Not into unnecessary surgery, but worried it’s gonna need repair sooner than later…
But currently no doctor, worried about the mesh, and of course we’re on the CDCs most wanted list with the vid again!

This getting old shit sucks!
But hey, at least you have some quality GOGD time while you mend!!

Cleveland’s been on my mind lately. I’ll have to do some intel into some hot Cleveland area shows for possible POTDs as we approach the long dark winter, buurrrrrrr

But today?
I’m confused, are we doing 12/29/77 (one of only three Dicks I’m still waiting on realgone) or should I fire up 9/7/85?
Hell if I quite dinking around, maybe I do both lol
Anywho, get well BC, stay warm DV, and happy Frie day laddies!

Oh, yo Jimbo, where you hiding?
Hopefully just digging the river/outdoors etc…

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Fri, 12/16/2022 - 10:05

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Definitely a better line!
My first inguinal in 1993 they put in the mesh.
Caused by previous heavy lifting and aggrevated by a ski fall doing the splits in deep moguls at Snow Bowl, Flagstaff AZ. Second set of inguinals in 2009 they took out the mesh and just sewed me tight. Had one on each side and was sagging a bit (that was a freak-out) which I never had on the first one. They say us guys are born with them sometimes and a time bomb of sorts. That second one (pre-sag) was misdiagnosed totally and finally figured out by my cancer Dr. who was looking for swollen lymph glands. Must have had it for at least 3 years and skied my ass off during that time. Would have pain and had to lay down to get it back in place so that was the clue.
Sorry way TMI, but get it done while you have the insurance Oro. Mom used to say, "After 40 it's patch, patch, patch!".
Cheers
Going with the easy one, DP 10 12-29-77 + 12-30 jam.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 12/16/2022 - 10:27

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Was in a big funk over the weekend and into the beginning of the week. Looking back I should have just rolled with it and picked something heavy to listen to and help purge it out of my system. All good now, without valleys there would be no peaks.

BlueCrow, ouch.. wishing you a complete, speedy and as pain free a recovery as possible. I love Propofol, had surgery when I was young and whatever they used gave a chaotic and freezing cold recovery, with the new stuff you wake up in a dream state like waking from a good nap. Funny.. you're the fourth or fifth person I know that got a hernia from lifting 30 trips / E72. If we get a few more, I think we have a chance at a class action against those bastages at Rhino. First the rock our wallets, then they break our backs and we end up under the knife.

I left off just as the 71 shows from the Listen to the River Box came up. A shame as I love those shows and they need a revisit.

They played a bit from 9/25/91 Boston (dickus pickus 17) last night on the radio. That's one great later era Eyes. Floaty and dreamy. Latvala did so much, he really got the ball rolling. I remember exactly where I was when I heard about Dick's Picks volume one.

Anyway.. thanks for the shoutout. November into early December is perhaps the weirdest time where I live, Fall has come and gone but Winter is not quite ready. It's not until the snow really starts coming that you can do much outside, ice storm yesterday - unless you had ice skates best not leave the house. I like to vacation this time of the year...but....

So 77 and 85? That should keep us busy.

BlueCrow, rest up. First show.. I'm making progress. Good and happy vibes to all.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 12/16/2022 - 19:03

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That China Rider out of Playing is something, not earth shattering, but good. Welcome back!

Been spending a lot of time the last couple of days removing snow from my roof.... Not much fun, but necessary.

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"Welcome to Thursday night at Winterland", with the Just Exactly Perfect Brothers Band. Wowzer! Haven't done this one in a long time and forgot it was my favorite Dick's Pick, at least until DP 18 came out. It used to get a lot of play time and I see why. How often do you get a second set jam with three portions of Playin'? Dang that's good stuff!
Encores and partial 12-30-77 still to go.
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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Sat, 12/17/2022 - 16:34

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"The Comeback"
Wow.
Cheers

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 12/18/2022 - 08:45

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It was a crazy ride 1stShow. Fun to watch a comeback like that.

I was in downtown Minneapolis last night at a party and the town was hopping.

And the Bills pulled another one out! Looking good OB.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sun, 12/18/2022 - 10:52

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Wow, what a couple daze!
I never watch sports all day but damn if that’s not bout the only thing I did yesterday lol
VIKS with the biggest comeback in NFL history previously held by da Bills!
I remember where and who I was with that day, but I’ll spare ya the tale lol

12/29/77: had never heard this one, mostly because saving it for if/when Realgone brings it back. One of only 3 I don’t have. But I threw it on at work Friday and enjoyed it though it seemed perhaps underwhelming for a 77?
Probably just my listen…
Good first set, Hot Sugaree stood out, always dig a Sunrise and the second set sequence with the serpentine Playin interweaved with the fine but perhaps not mighty return of China/Rider. Ooo, and China Doll in there too!
Glad I finally heard it and not getting “full” listen if/when Realgone spits it out I can still get a good “first” listen in.

9/7/85: after several false starts at work I gave up and finally sat down with it late Friday.
I have a tape of this I got under weird circumstances. After 86? Rich stadium show (long/short) I ended up giving this gal a lift to the rainbow gathering down in Allegheny State park in Pensitucky. Thought she was only going to much closer NYS park, but by the ticket, take the ride, and I couldn’t just leave her off in the middle of no where in the middle of the night. So for her profound gratitude at my “miracle”…she gave me a second set tape of this show.
Best part was when I returned home at dawn with an empty tank and pops waiting to use that car to go to work lol.
Like I say, long story lol
But I hadn’t heard this show in many years so glad I got to it.
After all the pre game shenanigans (must of been wild waiting/tripping and then that!)
Fairly rocking first set including a OMSN closer which I always loved in in that spot, or for an opener!
Nice Shakedown>Crazy Fingers>Samson. Followed by a nice sequence including the fun first Hey Jude finale, though some of the transitions are a little ruff, but capped off by a sweet Comes a Time. Bob brings her home with an 85 Lovelight and we get an always welcome JBG/Baby Blue dbl encore!
Unfortunately I guess your not allowed to mention 85 without some mention of “Jerry’s voice” so I’d say he sounds pretty dern good for the most part, definitely comparatively to 85 and perhaps overall?
Though I was fortunate to experience many post GD Rocks shows, alas I never made it for the real deal. And as usual, you can almost feel the rocks vibe here. Definitely worth a check out. Oh, I went with a nice Chapel matrix!

I guess that all depends on where we are now and where we were before?

mmm 12/29/77. Where to begin? I believe we are close to the return of the Wolf, correct? Oh.. and that Playin'>China>Rider>China Doll>Playin. Holy cow. Taking a step back, a historic and great show, if for no other reason look to the ferocity of Jerry's Guitar. Second.. and I hate to disagree ever so slightly with our dear friend and Vikings fan, I hold that China Rider with high regard. The transition is smooth as silk, subtle but ever so classic.

I know not the politics of the GD, but I believe this is the show where Jerry began playing the transitional parts Bobby used to, that early tension release passage from familiar to God knows where. I hold this particular passage in quite high regard, again no harm in intended. Perhaps my passion is partly because thank goodness it's back.. but wait for it.. it was forever and and a day before it would return for good.. in the classic GD fashion. Sort of like Dark Star, but not quite.

Anyway, no slight intended, I believe we can all agree this was an historic show. Not quite exactly the Return of the Wolf, but that is how I remember this show. Welcomed ferocity. One of my favorite 1977 shows.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Mon, 12/19/2022 - 01:31

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12/29/77 - really strong, tight, driving show start to end. Like 1st show, this had sort of fallen by the wayside for no apparent reason. With Jim on this re China>Rider. Seems very well played to me. While it is the first version post 1974, in some sense it's not really a full "return" because they don't play it again for over a year until 2/3/79 Indianapolis when they brought it back for a few shows at the very tail end of the Godchaux era and it was in the rotation again from there on out. 12/29/77 China>Rider is a stand alone - there would seem to be a story somewhere as to why it was played this night. And yes, Jerry had returned to the Wolf in Fall '77, so no Travis Bean China>Riders.

BTW - that 2/3/79 Indy show has a smoking Scarlet>Fire to open Set II (only source circulating is audience.) Despite the CW, there is a whole lot that I like from those last months, late '78 into '79, of Keith and Donna with the band.

And a big thank you to everyone for the healing vibes. So far so good I think. Baby steps.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Mon, 12/19/2022 - 01:36

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Fine early morning, rockers!!

Pick Of The Day: Fillmore Auditorium, December 19 1969

I think the universe is pure geometry - basically, a beautiful shape twisting around and dancing over space-time. Sorta like the Grateful Dead……

Because Phil is stuck somewhere, Garcia and Bobby Ace regale ya with some old favorites, as once the tall skinny fella arrives they’ll play loud and all that. Who could complain about Monkey And The Engineer-Little Sadie-Long Black Limousine-I've Been All Around This World---before we get to the twisted electric journey through musical space-time?!!

And such a journey!! Something for all tastes---rockin’, rare Mason’s, soulful Black Peter, greasy Hard To Handle, Bobby Ace trying to tell a joke, a Cumberland even JimInMD could maybe love, another shot of greasy gooey jammy goodness with Good Lovin’, all wonderfully topped off with a closing sweet suite of That’s It For The Other One/Uncle John’s Band-Turn On Your Lovelight.

The esteemed Mr Miller’s remaster, recently unleased on us, is very, very nice. And while there are a couple of short audience patches, in this case---as in many others---it’s OK if it’s not exactly perfect………….

Rock on!!!

Doc
We need to broaden our sympathies both in space and time - and perceive ourselves as part of a long heritage, and stewards for an immense future……

thanks Doc for shining a light on another fine sixty-nine show!! anything acoustic, especially those early days is to be treasured. magic afoot.

also, a belated thank you for that fun oddity contest with 12/2/71. A new-to-me awesome show and always fun to try solve a puzzle. I will admit that the Brokedown/Black Peter oddity was something that I probably wouldn't have gotten in 100 years, but how did I miss that Smokestack/Lovelight??

...and who doesn't love a good Cumberland? Truth be told, I lived in the city of Cumberland for a few months at some point in the 80's. It was cheap and I was poor boy struggling to finish my undergrad. It cost me $250 to split a house for the semester. Make good money five dollars a day.....

I learned how to rock climb in a little crag off Wills Creek at a spot called Lovers Leap. Another fine Cumberland memory. It's worth a google search, a little Appalachian folklore, and a real pretty spot worth pulling off the freeway as you drive by. The original story of Lovers Leap appeared in the Cumberland Evening Times May 18th, 1881. An Appalachian coal town if ever there was one.

As for 12/19, I could be wrong, but I believe this is the first of the acoustic sets that would become standard the following year. I'm digging into it as I write this. Y'all be good.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 12/20/2022 - 06:12

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Looking at 2/21/82 Pauly Pavilion for today. I don't think we have hit this one yet.

Jim, I don't think OB is a Vikings fan, at least not yet.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Tue, 12/20/2022 - 08:50

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Glad im nit a colts fan

33 point lead blown

Imagine the locker room after...the flight home...

At least it wasnt a super bowl, colters

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Submitted by Oroborous on Tue, 12/20/2022 - 11:09

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…I’m not a fan!
I bet I been somewhat of a VIKS fan since before you were born lol.
Back in the sixties I was a huge Alan Page fan #88.
Like Ralphy with his Red Ryder I wanted nothing more than the Super Bowl addition Chefs Vikings electric football set.
And though the VIKS lost the SB, they always won on my game!
Good I loved that toy, wonder what happened too it, must of been traumatic lol.

Glad to hear BCs mending and Jim’s feeling more like his ole self. Sure some winter activities will help that when applicable. Hopefully DV got the snow rake and has that roof all cleared off.

Cumberland: one time headquarters of G Washington himself.
That first step at lovers leap looks like a real doozie!

12/19/69: think I might sneak that one in today, perhaps start 2/21/82 or hit mañana if the situation allows.

Ok, back into the mine, just needed to poke my head out for a sec…
ONWARD

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 12/20/2022 - 14:49

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I need to hit refresh before I post..

I had not read OB's post when I referenced Vikings Fan. I didn't mean to be contrary regarding that show, but re-reading both, I don't think we were that far off. Perhaps I have a bit of nostalgia for this as it was one of the early Dicks Picks (#10 I think), and I got this before I accidentally overdosed on '77. Must have had too much too fast.

Anyway, I think all is pretty much ok with the world. I have to admit I am not the most careful poster, sometimes we just post what we are feeling at the moment. I still have a bit of ketchup to do but I am making progress.

Note to self, top off the tank in dad's car when you borrow it to see shows and drive young attractive hipsters all over gods creation in search of good times and good tunes. Sorry Dad!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 12/20/2022 - 15:25

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Love it OB, that was before my time. I retract my previous statement, my bad.

Speaking of China Riders, there is something about them in 82, particularly the first part of the year.

Can't blame you for overdosing on 77 Jim.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Tue, 12/20/2022 - 17:06

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>>>>>> 8/7/82 (DiP 32)

Favorite post-'74 version hands down, an absolute beauty. Jerry's transition jam takes on this amazing "finger picking" energy. And then, just as you think Rider has arrived, and the sonic space quiets down and opens up for that first verse, Jerry brings back that ca. '73-'74 theme, a crystalline jewel, and then they drop into Rider. Only post '74 version of that I know of. One of my favorite passages of Grateful Dead music ever. Part of the reason I labeled my Set II cassette "Sacred Alpine Valley" long before the official release. Gifted that tape far and wide. It was my 6th show.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Tue, 12/20/2022 - 20:37

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Of what you liked about the DiP 32 China>Rider.
Got me to pop it in and go.
Damned if it isn't another overlooked DiP for me.
Sitting next to 33? I don't know why.
You guys are expanding my collection of what I already have.
Cheers and onward past the Solstice and slowly back to the light.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 12/20/2022 - 20:50

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Yes, I have been listening to #32 quite a bit this year. It is hot! Love this one Bluecrow.

Okay, so at this point in time (always subject to change), my favorite China Rider from 82 is from Glen Falls, 4/14. OB turned me on this show. Check it out 1st Show.

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Reminded me of a prized collection of little plastic football helmets that I had to work hard for. Maybe 1966 as the set had 16 helmets. You had to collect the plastic liner under bottle caps, maybe Coke or Pepsi, and get your whole team (must be 1966 as Charley Johnson was my STL QB, a hard to get bottle cap liner) on a sheet and send it in for the helmets. Maybe a local bottler was doing the promo. I devised a magnet on the end of a coat hanger to fish the bottle caps out of the soda machine in front of the local barbershop to fill that card. Got chased off by someone in the barbershop (What the hell you doin' boy!) at least once as I remember doing it surreptitiously and it took a few trips. A prized possession into my teens and not those crappy ones with a decal, these were stamped on team logos.
We did play the tin hockey game, not electric but the shafts and spinning players kind, at a friend's house. Loved that!
Cheers

Edit: Got to DVs 4-14-82 China>Rider this AM. A lilting bouncy one with a casual transition, then driving to the end. What impressed me was the ensemble performance where everyone seemed on the same page without Bobby going off on his own and Brent contributing rather than soloing. Only negative was Phil was absent in the mix I picked (Braverman?). Will get to the rest of the show today.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 12/21/2022 - 01:38

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Hey rockers!!!

Pick Of The Day: Shrine Auditorium, December 21, 1968

If we choose, we can live in a world of comforting illusion……..

This is dedicated to Kevin Kelly, he’ll understand why………..

No illusion, this. But fair warning!! This is a major Pigfest, not-so-briefly interrupted by a typically crunchy, late 1968 CE/TOO/CE. The festivities open with Lovelight (lol clocking in at a “relatively” short 15 minutes), with an unusual coming-out-of Cryptical reprise It Hurts Me Too, a very interesting Alligator/drums/”way big jam”/short Alligator reprise, leading into a crazy good Caution!!! Wowzers!!! Don’t forget to send us home gently with And We Bid You Goodnight……….

Miller’s remaster is very good, though not without flaws, but worth a serious listen, as it is a great auditory document of the band at this time……..

We cast away priceless time in dreams, born of imagination, fed upon illusion, and put to death by reality…….

Rock on!!!

Doc
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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 12/21/2022 - 03:03

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Istshow - "expanding my collection of what I already have". That rings true ! DiP 32 is sitting upstairs with my other Dave's. Probably played once, when it arrived a few years ago. I haven't a clue what it's like.

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Wed, 12/21/2022 - 07:43

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Winter begins at 1:48 pm today in the Bay Area. Winter may have the greatest Grateful Dead Shows of all time,2/14/68, 2/13&14/70, 2/27/69, 2/28/69, 3/1/69, 3/2/69, 12/26. & 28/79, just to name a few.

Hey, how about 2/3/78 just because it opens with a rockin' Cold Rain and Snow. If that's not your bag you can substitute 12/31/82, Jerry was married to Mountain Girl backstage and they opened with Cold Rain and Snow. The irony of the opening line was not lost on me.

If memory serves this might have been a bolo pick early on on this thread, Dicks Picks 18.. but who cares.

This one goes out to DVikes and DH Brewer. Rumor has it DV ventured out this morning to get the morning paper and froze solid when his hand stuck to the storm door trying to reenter. Holy crap it's cold in the Twin Cities. Denver had a 58 degree drop in temp from yesterday to today.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Thu, 12/22/2022 - 09:23

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Marye suggested we start the thread with the nomination of DiP 18.
See her recommendation at the top of the page. High praise!
I'm all in, it's a '78.
Keep the pipes dripping so they don't freeze.
That would be a nightmare at X-mas time.
We got lucky, just south and west of the bitter cold.
Cheers and Happy Holidays everyone!

Edit: Finished disc 1 and got out the Deadbase. A strange compilation of two dates setlists. The liner notes don't even detail which songs came from which show. The sound is good so it's puzzling why it is set up this way and some songs are just missing. I guess that's at the crux of the debate on compilations. Better to have an aud. patch or just go with what you've got that's complete and good quality. I like your idea Jim on remaking the correct show on your own. Doubt if I'll bother to do it though. Cheers

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 12/22/2022 - 11:02

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Good eyes first show, I never look at the header of these forums. So it was the first pick. Doing the complete show would overlap, yes.. but would have some new stuff.

I have slowly been revisiting some of the partial releases and backfilling with the songs they missed. Seemed like a good idea at the time.

I'm buzzing on high octane coffee. That's what happens when I get trapped indoors too long.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 12/22/2022 - 11:50

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Yes, our original pick from Bolo in 2020. How can we pass this one up Jim. A revisit seems appropriate.

Just got back from taking care of the driveway, sidewalks and roof and one of my neighbors driveway... Yes, it is brutal out.

Have no idea why I still live here. Not for these winters.

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Submitted by Leaphart3 on Fri, 12/23/2022 - 14:48

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Just finishing up the 22 volumes of Europe '72 on Apple Music. Fun stuff - I made a playlist of Vol. 1-22 (72+ hours). Really got to know the band's sound and tendencies during that stretch.

Any suggestions on what to dive into next?

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Submitted by marye on Fri, 12/23/2022 - 15:09

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I was just passing it along. But Bolo's advice is usually pretty great.
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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 12/23/2022 - 15:09

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Leaphart3.............

I would recommend December 1971..................

After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music......

Rock on!

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Fri, 12/23/2022 - 16:51

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No comment on Marye's topic What are you doing on NYE?
See recent posts to find the thread started on DaP44.
Gotta be a show to see somewhere.
Who you hangin' and imbibing with?
Cheers

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Submitted by daverock on Fri, 12/23/2022 - 16:59

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As you seem to like big portions, you could try out the St Louis Box - two Dec 71 shows, two October 72 shows and two 1973 shows. And not a dud among them.
My favourite group of shows, with the Europe 72 offerings, is 2/27/69 through to 3/2/69.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 12/24/2022 - 08:26

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I concur with Daverock on the St. Louis Box.
Also, the Pacific Northwest Box.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 12/24/2022 - 11:33

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You have entered the nut zone!

FALL 73

NYE: definitely staying home, probably streaming Dead?
Gonna check out Philski next week for Warfield 100th

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Sat, 12/24/2022 - 13:10

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With last second 61 yd. FG no less.
I'm starting to believe.
Wassail for all!
Cheers

Edit: (a day later) Whereas my team, lovingly referred to as the Donkeys, leads the league in at least one category; Penalties!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 12/26/2022 - 09:21

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Hey 1stShow, another last second win. Two games to go.

I was In the mood for a little Spring 1990 today, so I pulled up 3/30 at Nassau. I know we did this one not too long ago, but it is hard to tire of these shows.

Be well out there.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 12/28/2022 - 09:06

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Sometimes Spring '90 does hit the spot, the Nassau and Knickerbocker runs have some really good stuff going on. I took a deep dive into Deer Creek a couple weeks ago, call it a Spring encore. High productivity music when I am in the getting shit done mindset.

I'm with you DVikes.

Been hit or miss with me the last week or so, happy to be a follower from time to time. No complaints with the picks. Travelling, busy, you know.... I'm calling today a catch up day and hopefully tomorrow I can pencil in some time.

I also just pulled out my credit card and purchased last night and tonight's Phil run at the Warfield. VGuy sent me the Cumberland. Holy shit.. it's cookin' Lot a poor man got those Cumberland Blues.....
With Holly sitting in on keys.