Grateful Dead

I always liked the LLR's from 1976 to 1977 most - Donna Jean at her best, singing harmony. I would also say that was my favourite period for the band in terms of their singing generally - Jerry's voice seemed to improve to me during this period. Obviously, I don't listen to them for their singing abilities, so I prefer earlier years - but that was one quality that seemed to develop to my ears. It was certainly an improvement from 1974.

I think I tend to go off ballads more quickly than other types of music because, inevitably, they always tell the same tale. Slow songs telling a story can get boring in time as there only so many times you can listen to the same song telling exactly the same tale. The interest then lies in how such a song is played, rather than in the actual song itself. To me, "Friend of the Devil" got deadly dull in its slow style. But if they had perked it up a bit, as in pre1974 versions, I would have enjoyed it a lot more.

I also bought Dawn of the Dead on dvd quite a few years ago. I remember enjoying it - clips of acid tests which are intriguing. If I'm remembering the right film -I think I got it around the same time as that Merry Pranksters one "Magic Bus" and I may be confusing the two.

Near as I could find Al hasn't attended a show. And even though they were all environmentalists Tipper was the Deadhead in the family that got the Dead invited to the residence according to the Jerry and Woody Harrelson smoked in a bathroom there story. Pat is known to have attended 6 shows or more usually with a camera in tow. No Bill Walton but...and then it comes down to is President Pro-Tem as high a rank as President of the Senate. I went with equal as the job is the same, it's just temporary. How's that for splitting hairs? LOL
Cheers

Donna's wail was actually much better in 76/77, pretty much in tune.
On the other hand, Bobby's screaming in Estimated got longer and more annoying as years went on(somebody here qualified it as histrionics, which sounds about right.)

Of all the GD things that have not aged well, the screaming is perhaps the most obvious, at least in my household.
If it weren’t for the yelling/screaming, I might of been able to convert the Other One over the years, but as soon as she hears, ahem, certain “things”, well, let’s just say the vibe changes in our house lol. 😉

We often wonder where that all came from?
Was it Janis’s influence in the sixties, was it drugs, was it rooted in the inadequate equipment and no monitors early on, was it just part of the sixties rock culture in general and all that bottled up sixties energy? I’d say probably D all of the above?
I believe I read something once that Bob got into the primal scream thing back in the seventies, but Pig, and even sometimes Jerry went there too, so maybe that’s not the antecedent, but it probably is why he seemed to up it.
Or, knowing Bobby, if he knew some folks didn’t like it, he did it more on purpose as he’s been known to do lol.
I’m guessing Donna was coached by Bob on this?
Of course this is another unfortunate idiosyncrasy of Sound Boards: the vocals are often unnaturally loud comparatively to the instruments etc, making it more noticeable, but certainly not the root cause…
I’m sure it wasn’t so bad live, well at least until later when Bob started doing as a normal part of some songs i.e., Estimated…where sometimes it was cool, but often it was too sustained and/or over the top.
Curious if anyone else has ever thought about this?

Personally, I think a little of short duration can add some good energy, i.e., OMSN, but to me, there is a fine line and sometimes it’s too over the top and/or goes on too long…but that’s just me.

I’m so glad Damar’s doing better but I just knew the league would f##$& us (and possibly Cinnci) and not finish the game. Hey, anything to promote their new golden boy Mahommes now that Tommy’s not it so much.
If he had to come to Bu faf in January with the mafia after all the teams been through this year….bastards!

And as long as I’m being Debbie downer, 2 year anniversary today and the main traitors to our country who committed treason via an attempted coup on national television, still walk free while the prisons are still filled by folks for minor drug busts…

Ok, sorry, (smack my self outta it) time for a bad ass Here Comes Sunshine!
Happy Friday folks!

EDIT: thanks for the DotD intel Conkid and Cousins!

Roky Erikson could unleash a blood curdling scream when the mood took him. The one captured on the live 13th Floor Elevators show in California 1966, on the cover of The Beatles "The Word" is truly harrowing. No doubt that the doors of perception were open there. Or that they might have been better left closed.

There was a connection between Roky and Janis Joplin, both coming from Texas. I think she was mooted to perform with the Elevators in the very early days. Who influenced who, or whether they developed their vocal tics independently of each other is now lost in the mists of time, and matters not.

Weekend Comin...

Time for some corn squeezzins, bear drankin, and hog-leg rollin...

Our minor discussion of 12/30/86 got me thinking, especially what you posted.

When I rate shows seen, 12/30/86 was never in my top 5.

Now that I ponder that show, it surely is in my top 5. I might watch it again this weekend. It wasn't even in my top 10 until our discussion and the re-watch. It may make my top 3 and far stretch #2...Have to do some serious thankin bout thangs.

Anthem of the Sun bubbled up this morning...HOORAY! God bless the Grateful Dead.

Yes, the coup leaders are walking free. Fuck 'em with the iron sausage. Life is indeed not fair or right or just. This country is a joke. It completely boggles my mind. AND, those leaders are supported and loved by millions. I spit on their haircuts...

screams...I never did see why people thought Janis Joplin was so great. Her singing makes ping-n-pong go hiding upwards.

GD screaming and screeching...sometimes I am ok with it, other times...no.

If you don't like my comments, take comfort in the fact that the feline in my house still thinks the couch is a good pot to piss in.

....is up on utoob. Get sum!
If you're not familiar with past NYE or Halloween gags, you may be saying to yourself "WTF?" If you are, then talk about phan service. 30 minutes of goosebumps for me at least.
Their lore runs deep.
Fingers crossed they play the new MSG Sphere here on Halloween. I love these goofballs.

Sorry to laugh at your predicament PF, but it is kinda funny though (if it’s not yer couch!) perhaps not as funny as stepping in poop in the middle of the night ; ) Not laughing at you (or vguy) just life!
“Life is a carnival, believe it or not, life is a carnival, two bits a shot”
I seem to HAVE to smash my old battered knee on the corner of the bed during late night pee trips, especially when I think of it, and try not too lol.
I can feel your frustration through your words…your not alone, 2020s bad mojo continues: after everything else that went wrong last year, cars, sinks, washers etc, now our 3 year old radon fan just went from whisper quiet to beyond annoying high pitched whirring that you can here all over the house.
Place it sounds the loudest/worst…right above my big dedicated stereo listening chair, Dooaahh!
So hang in there brother, this darkness got to give….doesn’t it?

JANIS: yeah I’ve always had mixed feelings about Janis. Her energy and often gut wrenching sound was definitely powerful, but sometimes the screaming is too much…OR, I’m just becoming yet another off my lawn grump old bastard! It would have been interesting if she’d stuck around, as you’d think, like Jimi was, she’d want to move on eventually. Playin with the Elevators before she became a legend would have been interesting…

GARY: ok, you’ve got me really interested in 12/30/86. It sounds familiar but I’m not at home so can’t look and see if I’ve seen/heard it? I’ve always liked 3/24/86 best out of what I’ve heard from that year. Another of those years it’s easy to sorta write off, but then you find some occasional chestnuts that make you go whoa! (Like every year really).
I think up you said it’s listed as 12/31 on usetube? Hmmmm I’ll have to check it out!
Glad to see ya and hope you’ve been well?

We forgot to mention James Brown; one of the great screamers, one of the few that could really pull it off, along with Roky Erikson.
Also well worth a mention, Tom Araya.
At the other end of the scream spectrum, there's Yoko "jamming" with Chuck Berry on TV, look it up!
Janis was great when not screaming; the Pearl LP is her best, in my opinion.

Thanks Cousins, that made my day.
The looks on Chucks face….priceless!
DG outta keep that clip handy on her phone so next time somebody gives her grief she can wip this one out lol

Agree about JB. Never saw JB, but did see Maceo at a small gig.
Holy crap what a great show!
Knew of him, figured I’d like it, but yeah, that was one of those sometimes you get shown the light gigs.

as12/30/86 this time, i am sure operator error. Im getting to old...

That's a great clip of Yoko wailing with Chuck Berry. I don't think Chuck put up with much he didn't like - but even he seems a bit reticent about going up against John Lennon.

....RIP Slayer. I remember seeing them back in 1985 in a club of maybe three hundred people. Saw them four times since.
Dave Lombardo was a machine! Reign In Blood is still an all-time favorite record of mine. In fact, I might relisten to it again tonight.
Rob Halford has a great scream also.
Oh. And an obligatory 🖕 to Yoko.

Fantastic drummer! He's off and on with the Misfits nowadays.
Slayer's definitely not for everybody, I consider them the aural equivalent of Bosch paintings; didn't catch them until 1988 at the Mountain View theatre, which was the last rock show that they had there, Mountain View just could not handle it(Tom Araya's intro: "Welcome to Mountain puke")

Last 5(vinyl)
James Carr: Best of
Marmalade: Reflections of my Life
NRPS: Gypsy Cowboy
White Plains: When You Are a King
Samhain: November Coming Fire

....but neither is the Grateful Dead.
Slayer kicks ass. So does the Dead.
Depends on my mood at the time.
I decided to go with South Of Heaven instead. Mood is good.
Metal is good house cleaning music 🎵
Grab that dustrag and mop and clean that shit! Or we will kick your ass. LOL.
Music is the best. Keeps my batteries charged.
Tom is a good man. Google him.
Last Five
South Of Heaven.
My Morning Jacket - Waterfalls.
King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard - Infest The Rats Nest.
The Doors - LA Woman.
Mercyful Fate - Don't Break The Oath.
Speaking of screaming, King Diamond deserves a nod. Great vocal range. Rock on. Especially the nervous parents.
I turned out ok. Btw, is there a way to play CD's backwards? Asking for a friend.
Edit....Last Six. Supertramp - Even In The Quietest Moments.
Always loved the cover.

....10CC. Damn. It's been awhile.
You know what else has been awhile? Focaccia bread. Nom, nom.

Slayer: the only band that actually scared me

Blimey, that takes me back. That reminds me of the pop singles from around 1970-1971 that I would have heard on the radio in the background, while I was waiting for the likes T.Rex or Slade to come on. White Plains were also the kind of group that may have appeared on Saturday night Variety shows around that time.
My last 5
Width of a Circle David Bowie
Zeit Tangerine Dream
Complete Recordings 1929-1934 Charley Patten
Complete Motown Singles 1965 cd1-5 Various
Vampires, Cowboys, Spacemen and Spooks Very Best of Joe Meek's Instrumentals.

Going back to screams, Joe lets rip at the end of The Moonrakers "Night of the Vampire" on that last collection. Not for the faint of heart.

Last Dead - Daves 23, 1/22/78. A great 1st cd - I haven't got on to the other two yet. Jerry ripping it up.

Roger Daltrey
Wont get fooled again

That works for me:
Merry Clayton
Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter
"It's just a shot away"
Gives me chills every time! And she stays on key.
Seems almost cocaine inspired, fits the era.
Cheers

Comment on screams, but my favorite from 30+ years ago was Sebastian Bach at the end of "I Remember You."

Metal Heads out there...

In the late 70's favorite live album was Ted Nugent Double Love Gonzo. By the early eighties It was Priest, Unleashed in the East. Maybe the best metal album ever, IMO.

Then the magic bus came by and I was smart enough to get on it. Even though we know, "The first days are the hardest days."

Chris Cornell (Soundgarden), "Outshined."

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Is a very well played show all around. For me, the 30+minute drumz was the best part of the show (no space). And that 30 minutes, I do love. Have started thinking of re-rating it. Think it was definitely top 10, maybe hovering in that 7-8 slot. But now has me rethinking my own thoughts on best shows as I haven't had those thoughts in ages. As soon as you get in a good tape trader group, and then the official releases start, it is hard to look back, but as Jeff
Smith always says, "Onward." Too much music to ever think I will get to it all. That is why I am not a completest.

G

That's a truly great record. Honourable mention to Lisa Fischer, too, for all her great singing on this song over the years.

Soundgarden

Slaves and Bulldozers

"NOW I KNOW WHY YOU'VE BEEN TAKEN!!!!"

A lot of Soundgarden actually

Since nobody mentioned them, and somebody should, here are a couple other notable, if not blood curdling screams.

Careful With That Axe Eugene by Pink Floyd. Sustained and a little disturbing. That scream sounds like maybe Eugene was not careful and just lost a good piece of a finger and hasn't quite processed it yet. Guessing everybody on here is familiar with it. The song, not cutting off a finger with an axe.

Time Has Come Today (long version) by The Chambers Brothers, in the chaotic portion in the middle. Has a real intense vibe to the screams, along with a sort of chill laughter, and it works. Classic psychedelic soul tune, and how could it not be when it includes the lyrics "my soul's been psychedelicized" and sound like they really mean it. Great song.

Yes, Charlie 3, good mention.

A _little_ disturbing? Reeeaallly disturbing. I was walking in the woods one time with Ummagumma on the walkman. When the scream in CWTAE came about I imagined 1000s of trees screaming in agony while being decimated during logging operations. It was, in a word, disturbing.

Maybe he'd be more careful with a WD hatchet. And a gardening apron.

....some are pitched high. Some are just guttural. Some just wanna destroy your eardrums. Love it. Screaming For Vengeance by JP is prime example #1. What did you say?

I listened to that quite a bit during my first year of college

Screamin' "AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!"
screamin for vengeance

.... Rob. Halford. End of transmission.

My cat used to scream when I played the harmonica back in the 70's. If it was outside, and we wanted it to come in, I used to stand by the back door, play a few bars, and it would come shooting in from nowhere, with it's belly close to the ground.

I like Careful With That Axe, too. Some great demented versions on the dvd/blu rays enclosed in that Early Years box that came out a few years ago.

I'm also reminded of Iggy Pop's great shrieks, whoops and hollers during T.V. Eye on the "Funhouse" album.

I was just going over this thread when I realized I had listed, "Unshined" by Soundgarden. What was I thinking? It's, "Outshined," obviously... thankfully there is an edit function. Most sites do not allow edits of posts and gaffes remain unaltered...

I went with Outshined over Slaves and Bulldozers due to the fact that the Outshined scream is just that, a stand alone, while on S&B Cornell is singing that line, "Now I know why you've been taken," actual lyrics, albeit with real malice.

Cornell may be the greatest rock singer ever, IMO. He also has some great screams on Audioslave records.

The Roger Daltrey scream on "Won't Get Fooled Again" was arguably the best for decades before the metal guys really got rolling. However, I saw the Who again a few years ago and it was clear that they piped in the original scream off the record during the spot in that song, and Daltrey attempted to sing over/with it. Now while no one can expect a man of that age to sound like he did back in the day, I thought it a bit gimmicky.

Careful With That Axe is on a whole 'nother level of psychedelic creepy insanity. It has always sounded like murder on acid to me.

Cheery thoughts on a Sunday morning! Now onto more coffee and walking the dog before football.

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Yeah, what Daverock said, there’s some good ones in the PF Box, some on video.

I was thinking of Roger Daltrey as an example of a scream that wasn’t blood-curdling, but didn’t Robert Plant have some too?

…every morning when I stumble into the bathroom…then I look in the mirror and Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Scariest damn thing eevvvveer!

Yeah, Charlie, guessing ole Eugene didn’t have a Working Mans Dead official hatchet with compass in the stock and this thingy that tells time….Oooppss

Blood, Sweat, and Tears, Child is Father to the Man, track 1: Overture!
I used to be able to laugh like that!

Isn’t all metal screaming of some kind or another?

1-2-72 end of NFA.

Thanks GEMS for the new copy 1-2-72, and thanks Doc for pointing it out.

....it's ME after the Miami Dolphins lose today after starting 8-3 and miss the playoffs. Whoo-hoo!!
Edit. Seems my reverse psychology regarding myself worked out.

A smorgasbord of offense

Nah...

No need to scream vguy
The Dolfings won

Oh, and dah Bills too

Because Buffalo has been through a mass shooting deadly snowstorm and a near-death of one of their football players, I am backing them in the post season.

If the Seahawks get eliminated, that is.

You know the Seahawks will get knocked out today...

....was when Dave's Picks 17-20 was released. Fresno, Orpheum, Honolulu and Boulder. Think about that.
Gonna play Hawaii now.

A scream to remember. Papa's Will, by Ted Nugent and the Amboy Dukes from the album Survival of the Fittest, recorded in East Detroit on Jerry's birthday, 1970. Very scary. Scary, scary. lol

Logged in to let you guys know there's a slammin' new recording of 1/2/72 up on archive, but it seems Doc & Icecrmcnkd already passed the dutchie. Really good recording.

....in over thirty years. Phish's Waves from 5.26.11. LP on LP #2.
Pray for me.

....and I found a Glenn Miller Army Air Force Band box set. RCA Victor LPM - 6700. Pristine.

Thank you Detroit

Good find Vguy! My folks had tons of his stuff that is now mine, even some 78s. I need to get an old Dual turntable or the like to spin those 78s. My Philips only does 33 and 45rpm. Haven't looked that one up yet but I'm guessing it is a rarity since it is from his Army Air Corp days. Most folks don't know the US Air Force name didn't start until after WW2. IMHO Glenn had the coolest smoothest sound of all the big bands and wasn't afraid to jazz it up. I have found numerous box treasures at the Salvation Army and Goodwill type stores for next to nothing. Good hunting!
Cheers
Edit: A couple on Fleabay. Good one - $20.90 + $5. shipping, Crappy damaged box - $10. + $10. shipping. Pristine would add a premium for sure. Never seen that record.

I smiled quietly to myself when I saw this.

When I was a lad of 16, working in a gas station, I changed a tire for a guy and in his trunk he had two collections.

One was the Glenn Miller you mentioned and the other was a Benny Goodman collection (the Golden age of Swing..... limited edition!!!)

These are NOT 33 LP's, they are soft cover books with 45's. Most have two songs per side. The books are less than mint, but the records seem fine.

They don't appear to be worth anything :-(

We had a radio show down here done by an old guy (the collector), and he played old stuff from the 20's to the 40's off old 78's. Since I have about 700 78's I called one night to ask him about them. He said records made after ww 2 weren't worth anything since they made tons. But ones made during the war are worth something since the material used was needed in the war effort.

ps - my sister got me all four phish lp on lp........... as soon as I get a turntable up and running!!

working on a pink floyd collection, got to 1971-08-06 - Hakone Open Air Festival - Kanagawa, Japan. Apparently a co-bill with the 1910 Fruit Gum Company!

Dennis - you sound as though you have a great record collection. Your post reminded me of a collector who I saw a film about some years ago called Joe Bussard. He apparently collected thousands of 78's in his lifetime - all pre war jazz, country and blues from what I can remember. Hated rock n' roll.

Coincidentally, I watched the first episode of The Ken Burns documentary called, "Jazz" last night, and I decided to seek out various artists as I go through it. Trouble is, the best way of collecting-the most economic anyway - is to get cds - and there is just so much of it out there. The best Jelly Roll Morton set seems to be a 5 cd box on JSP - that's a heck of a lot of Jelly Roll Morton! It apparently sounds better, and is less expensive the single cd sets. Less is more, as they say.