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    What a setlist!... Made me jealous of those who saw this era live. Great sound… like ‘77 was yesterday. @derekb192 on 10/1/77, YouTube

    Wow! Just as when you think eyes is gonna go to drums out of the bliss comes dancing! One of my all time fave moments! Not just classic 77 but classic ever dead! - @emrysdavies1215 on 10/1/77, YouTube

    ...this show was off the hook from the very get go. The Casey Jones is the best I've heard... beginning a jam that goes through each member going off on an instrumental solo. The end has them jamming so hard you can no longer hear them singing through it. Now you know you're in trouble (The Good Kind) when a show starts like that... Weirtheir on 10/2/77, Dead.net

    Holy hell, the 10/2/77 Betty Board sounds incredible... I just wanted to pay homage to this unreleased gem, which features the lovely, tight playing you'd expect of a 77 show with some of the highest audio quality I've ever heard ... What a treat. u/monsteroftheweek13 on 10/2/77, Reddit

    I told my mother I was going into Portland with friends. I never told her where I went... @jamesmoore3694 on 10/1/77, YouTube

    We know where you've been and we're taking you back with the twice as nice DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 45: PARAMOUNT THEATRE, PORTLAND, OR - 10/1/77 & 10/2/77. Back-to-back complete previously unreleased shows on 4CDs? You betcha! Why? Because we couldn't pick one over the other of these two nights that have been described as "fire," "mind-frying," and "crispy" (bit of a theme here) too many times to count. Witness it for yourself when you dig into the inventive medleys and pristine sound, not to mention the first "Dupree's Diamond Blues" since '69 and the first live "Casey Jones" since '74.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson (with a boost from Bob Menke, more about that in David's video) and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    Brand X live…bet that was sweeett!

    77 overkill: I know that’s my feeling. I mean I’ve enjoyed every great 77 show they have given us, (especially shhhwiiinnngg!) and I’m sure I’ll dig these 2 hot rods, but there’s so much awesome other stuff out there still and only so many releases left….
    Hey, some folks are happy smoking the same brand of weed and beer day in and day out, some folks like to mix it up…
    It’s all good, chever way your pleasure tends…
    I think 25k is just the right number: they all still sell out eventually, but notice we haven’t heard anyone bummed that they missed out because it sold too quick.

    PT, thanks for the intel! Lol, BITD I they were never around long enough to go bad!
    I believe she said they were dried when she got them, so good news!
    Think some “retired” folks might try a little bitty stem together and go play in the snow! Weeeeeeeee

    Speaking of, shoveled yet another six inches (more up on top) over here on the western slope VGUY. We’re actually considered not in drought for the first time in…? course it’s still early so hopefully we’ll get more including the big dumps like we used to get in the spring 🤞

    Mikey, how’s it going eh!
    My Goodness what dicks: “ok, your not dead so we can sack ya now” Fuck Off greed heads!
    Talk about a string of luck! Kinda like the Leafs ; ) teasing of course!

    And Dennis, sorry to hear old sport. Just like the pranksters say “nothing lasts” and I will add “especially if it’s something you like” yaassss those old golden handcuffs are hard to shake! Good luck going forward…forward, never straight!

    Yaasss, dug m/o GarciaLive 18 again last night, can’t get enough of jazzy Jer!
    Proceeded by
    2/19/73 second set
    1/24/71
    Fog Hat: Fool for the City
    Croz: If I could Only Remember my name
    Nora Jones: Till We Meet Again
    P/o Charlie Hunter: Songs From the Analog Playground
    P/o Laughing Bones 4/2/06
    M/o GarciaLive 18

    Have had no tune time lately, so nice to catch up.
    Today will be dedicated to tunage!
    ONWARD!

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    At least for me, I think I am simply trying to gauge it's popularity and am surprised when everyone else's likes or dislikes don't line up with mine. Which is silly really. If this site should teach me anything it's that there's room for all.
    And in birding news there's a Sharp Shinned Hawk outside my window looking for breakfast at my feeders. This girl is a proven predator. Doves beware!
    Cheers

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    Sold Out or not

    Can anyone explain why it matters whether the item sells out? With any limited release it will eventually do so. If you want it you buy it and it doesn’t matter if it sells out. If you don’t want then you don’t buy it and why would you care if it sells out.

    I can think of two reasons why you might care:

    1. You haven’t got the money at the moment but will have shortly. In this case you don’t want it sell out quickly, but if your cash flow is that critical perhaps you shouldn’t be buying discs. You have known for several months when the release date was and could have saved enough to have it available when needed.

    2. You have bought the item and you hope to make a profit by reselling it. In this case you are gambling on a future outcome. You win some and you lose some, this might be seen as capitalism in action.

    25000 appears to allow enough leeway to allow everyone to get a copy if they want it. Presumably if they don’t sell so many the PTB will reduce the number they produce.

    I’ll keep subscribing as long as they are issued, unless I run out of spare cash or stop breathing.

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    fresh or dried?

    Dried shrooms will last quite a while. I still have some from the nineties that still look ok. Fresh, if not consumed or dried quickly, they will spoil and put off a rather pungent odor like rotting flesh. Even in the refrigerator, they will only last about a week to 10 days, then they will rot.
    Peter Gabriel, what can you say about this man, his concerts are unbelievable, such a production. Incredible.
    Saw him twice in the 90's, once in 93 inside in an auditorium and the second time was at Woodstock 94.
    The inside show at the orena in Orlando was as close to perfect as it can get. The show opens with a moody little instrumental piece and then it turns into Come talk to me, with Peter rising up from under the stage in a phone booth, he's singing and starts to pull on the phone cord, it pulls and he pulls and tugs and drags the phone line out of the booth down this long ramp that juts out into the audience, he pulls and tugs and yanks that phone cord till he's at the very end of the ramp, which is right in front of where we were sitting, he is now almost in our faces and the phone cord starts to pull back, as the song is finishing, the cord drags him all the way back, slowly, into the booth. And that was the first song. There were so many props that came up, a giant tree with many limbs rises out of the stage, and Peter and Paula cling to its branches while singing Shaking the Tree. During Steam Peter walks right down that ramp and once again he is in our faces, almost right in front of us. At the end, a briefcase is brought out from behind the stage, as the show is ending each band member walks to the briefcase, opens it and jumps in, disappearing into the briefcase. The absolute pinnacle of the show was Secret World, as the song played, a giant screen above the band began to rotate, spinning slowly at first, gathering steam and spinning fast. Then stopping as the song ends. Of all the shows that I have been to, this is definitely a top 5 show, if not top 3.
    Peter will be on tour in Europe and England this spring, Daverock, if you get a chance, I highly recommend catching one of his shows it will blow your mind. There is a US tour in the works for after the European tour, I will be at one of these concerts if they are not too far away from me. It's been 20 years since he toured with a band outside of WOMAD.
    Not a fan of Genesis, I have 3 sides live and it's not bad, just not what I listen to, so much to listen to, so little time, stereo going 16 hrs. a day pretty much now.
    Last bunch of listens:
    Mahogany Rush - Strange Universe
    Jimi Hendrix - The Cry of Love
    Robin Trower - For Earth Below
    Randy California and Spirit - Future Games
    Traffic - When the Eagle Flies
    Spooky Tooth - Spooky Two
    REO Speedwagon - REO T.W.O.
    Peter Gabriel - Alive and Bumpin'
    Peter Gabriel - OVO
    Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers - 1997 Fillmore concerts live
    Santana - Caravanservi
    Santana - Borboletta
    Jerry Garcia and Sanjay Mishra - Blue Incantation On Jan. 5th Jerry Garcia Music and Arts Label will release Front Street Outtakes which has Jerry and Sanjay outtakes from Blue Incantation
    David Crosby - If I could only remember my name - It's all coming back to me now
    Crosby Stills Nash and Young - 4 way street
    so many others

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    Dennis - Sorry to hear your business is closing. I got “downsized” after 32 years at my job a few years back (the VERY day I returned after being off 8 months recovering from cancer and all that involves - real pricks) and finding comparable income at a certain age is impossible. I hope it works out good for you, Dennis. I’ve been the same lately with buying music, I’ve bought only two things this year, the new Dylan (arrived yesterday), and DaP 45.
    On that note, some have wondered why DaP 45 has not sold out. All good reasons listed, but may I also add the international shipping rate is likely a factor. Not a complaint, it is what it is, that is the cost of things, but a charge of $16.99 shipping for a la carte items is just beyond what some folks may pay. I did not subscribe this year, it just outpriced me, I’ll just bite the shipping bullet on select items, but it is what it is.
    Love the Genesis chat, and it seems everyone is a Gabriel fan. When we saw him, I’m thinking early 80s, me and my buddy were sitting right beside an entrance to the seating area in the arena he played at. My friend is loading up his pipe with some hash, just as the house lights go out. Being Gabriel, he and the band couldn’t just show up on stage from the wings, no, it had to be theatrical. A very bright light appears from the entrance beside us, a hand held light, very bright, and at different entrances around the arena. My friend thought it was some cops thing and freaked, and dropped/threw his pipe and all this great Lebanese hash! It was a member of the band making their entrance to the show, where they would walk to the stage holding this incredibly bright light skyward! (Gabriel is a genius theatrical performer). I laughed so phucing hard at my friend, he was so pissed!! (He did something similar at a football game we were at one time, too!) Genesis has a great catalogue of music, with Broadway and Seconds Out highly recommended.

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    I have ordered that Genesis, Mike.

    Most comments seem to echo my feelings. Saw Pete during the "Plays Live" tour and the Bicycle tour. The man puts on a hell of show.

    Always thought Pete was the brains behind Genesis, never thought they were as good after he left.

    Got Bob Dylan's Bootleg 17 in cds tonight. The LP's are lined up for tomorrow.

    Just for the record Mike, my buying MAY (?) slow down. The store I work in is closing the location I work at. I will be looking for something new, but first my wife says I need to do some work around the house. Current job will be hard to match. Not too many jobs you can do the amount of substances we do and still have a job :-).

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    Release 9/20/70......

    and its sold out immediately.

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    Mrs Vguy was pleasantly surprised....

    ....when I played some Genesis.
    Whodathunk?
    She thanks you guys for the recommendation.

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    Love the word definitive.

    As for NOT.. I'm not saying the flooded the market with the 25k limited edition, but this in combination with the box set model of sandwiches of great shows surrounded by ok shows and take years to sell out. Well, they have released a mountain of material and it doesn't seem nearly as limited as the paychecks that keep it afloat. As much as I like '77, they seem to overly rely on it this time of the year. So here we are.

    Keep in mind the stuff they do release is mostly mind-blowing stuff, I don't feel taken or anything. There might just be some saturation competing with shrinking paychecks.

    Smithers, release the hounds (sorry, just love saying that)

    As you were.

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    Sold out after 10 days either people have '77 burnout or TPTB hit the magic number at 25,000 copies. Remember when the first 2 years only 12,000 copies were made? How times have changed.
    Genesis
    Selling
    Fox
    Seconds
    Lamb
    Trick
    Just pulled out GG Playing The Fool start tonight finish tomorrow.
    E-A-G-L-E- S--EAGLES!!!!!!!!

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What a setlist!... Made me jealous of those who saw this era live. Great sound… like ‘77 was yesterday. @derekb192 on 10/1/77, YouTube

Wow! Just as when you think eyes is gonna go to drums out of the bliss comes dancing! One of my all time fave moments! Not just classic 77 but classic ever dead! - @emrysdavies1215 on 10/1/77, YouTube

...this show was off the hook from the very get go. The Casey Jones is the best I've heard... beginning a jam that goes through each member going off on an instrumental solo. The end has them jamming so hard you can no longer hear them singing through it. Now you know you're in trouble (The Good Kind) when a show starts like that... Weirtheir on 10/2/77, Dead.net

Holy hell, the 10/2/77 Betty Board sounds incredible... I just wanted to pay homage to this unreleased gem, which features the lovely, tight playing you'd expect of a 77 show with some of the highest audio quality I've ever heard ... What a treat. u/monsteroftheweek13 on 10/2/77, Reddit

I told my mother I was going into Portland with friends. I never told her where I went... @jamesmoore3694 on 10/1/77, YouTube

We know where you've been and we're taking you back with the twice as nice DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 45: PARAMOUNT THEATRE, PORTLAND, OR - 10/1/77 & 10/2/77. Back-to-back complete previously unreleased shows on 4CDs? You betcha! Why? Because we couldn't pick one over the other of these two nights that have been described as "fire," "mind-frying," and "crispy" (bit of a theme here) too many times to count. Witness it for yourself when you dig into the inventive medleys and pristine sound, not to mention the first "Dupree's Diamond Blues" since '69 and the first live "Casey Jones" since '74.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson (with a boost from Bob Menke, more about that in David's video) and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Just received my package with the Portland Shows.
I eventually paid (in France) like 15 bucks, and it ’s my own fault because I would have paid half on line. Wallet is the best place to learn.
Some of you heard this story: In heaven French do the cooking, the policemen are English, German organize everything and Italian do the entertainment.
In hell English do the cooking, the policemen are French, Italian organize everything, German do the entertainment and …Swiss do the shipping.
Anyway collecting dead shows is no more a merry prankster thing.

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Never enough 77.
(whispers)
Never...

Though more of the under-represented years would be nice (if the PB&J are listening).

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Harem Scarem. RGM reissue from 1991, never been on vinyl.
Never heard of them. Any thoughts?
Some connection with this album and a TV show.
Cheers, eh?

RV3's new series of releases "Brent's Picks"?

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March & December, still some good music left.

Sheik- I like that line about how the English do the cooking in hell. They could also manage the railways and decide what the drug laws should be.

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The Dutch would be responsible for administration.

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Winterland 77 March/December would be a nice haul for sure.
Likewise the remaining Palladium 77 run.
A do-over 5/22 full show release would be swell as well.

Also, an October 74 Winterland box.

Also...

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10/9 and 10/10 would make a nice two-fer. Great auds of both days available on the Archive.

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In the last 15-16 months, 9 Brent shows have been released.
MSG Box
DaP 40, 44

2 more shows with DaP 36.
And the Giants Stadium Box a few years ago.

There is no shortage of Brent releases.

There is a shortage of Bruce releases.

There is a shortage of video releases.

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The View From The Vault Series gave us some Bruce plus video.

Dave/Rhino,
Time for more video.
Thanks for 6-17-91 on Blu-ray, but don’t stop there.

We need all the video from:
Oct. 74, Oct. 80, European tours, Alpine 89, Tinley Park 90.

Then some selections from 91 starting with Soldier Field.

Thanks in advance.

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without a shipping issue, I’ve had to endure two debacles in a row.

So DaP45 finally arrived today. I have been listening to it all evening.

Remember the scene in the movie Big where all the executives and Josh (Tom Hanks) are meeting to evaluate the merits of the new company toy. At the end of the discussion Josh meekly raises his hand and says, “I don’t get it.”

That’s how I feel about this release.

....I'm not going to mention any names, but how about some 1991-1995?
Guess most of them wouldn't cut the mustard, but I saw plenty of shows then, and I recall some being pretty damn good.
A Vegas Box would be much welcome.
Throw in some dice and playing cards. Limited to seven come eleven of course.
One can hope!
The Sphere is being lit up btw. Test runs.
Edit....what don't you get AJS? Why it was released at all? 🤔
I'm open to a discourse.

Ha...

I have mine but have not had the opportunity to listen. I reserve the right to resurrect my view on 1977 GD upon my listen. 77 shows remind me of my supermodel ex-girlfriend. Practically perfect yet somehow not altogether satisfying.

I'm sure it's absolutely killer. First world problems to be sure.

As you were.

Edit: I really have nothing against '77 GD. When I am in the mood it does magic.

Saw a few really solid shows between 91-95, with 10/19/94 at MSG being one of the best.

Was psyched that they released the Feels Like>Bertha from that show as part of this year’s 30 Daze line up.

The 10/1/94 Boston gig they included in the 30 trips box is also pretty fab.

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Sir James probably summed it up best. It’s oddly unsatisfying.

There’s nothing bad about it, but there’s also nothing overly exciting about it. I thought that even the sound quality was just average.

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I'd simply like more '68, '69 and '70.

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A live concert can be enjoyed at the time of being there, but that doesn't mean it would make a satisfying recording.
Actually, that applies to releases from all eras, from all bands. But it was posts from people who enjoyed Dead shows between 91-95, and suggested some of those be released that reminded me of the fact.

It works the other way round, too. Some live shows I have been to I haven't enjoyed - but listening to recordings of them later, I realised they were better than I thought they'd been. Even Jerry commented on this phenomena- I think it's in The Dead Movie he recalls not liking their performance on 2/14/68 and throwing Phil down some stairs as a response. He listened to them later, and found them to be... "crackling with energy" I think was the phrase.

From my vast experience of going to Dead shows, I would say there was hardly any relation between being there and listening to live recordings.

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"in Hell": this story is very "cliché". I heard it on a richard Thompson Dvd, maybe 2000 years of pop music...
Yesterday I was a bit annoyed cause I spent time on the phone and car to get this package. Things have changed since the elephant administration...4 or 5 years ago? I felt like paying tax for a boxset for two shows.

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it depends of the mood you are in. But most of gd recordings are great, even the 82 cassettes. (dickP32)
If you listen Dylan 's fragments bootleg series vol 17, you can measure the greatness of gd recordings. I had to listen live cd4 more times to appreciate, but there's nothing like the other studio takes. the Dead has built the best show catalogue of all time.

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Hey rockers.............

My parents used to say, "If you can't say anything good about something, don't say anything at all". That's why I'm here not saying anything about anything...................

Portland? Don't get the buzz about all that, but we got our annual 77 so let's move on. But not on to 91-95. Some February 1973 would hit the spot...........

Heaven is my current wife, hell is my ex-wife, purgatory is alimony.............

Rock on,

Doc
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Dead releases are like Texas weather, don't like it, wait, it'll change.

There is something for everyone, but everyone won't like everything.

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RIP Burt Bacharach
What the World needs now is Love as true today as the day he wrote it.
Via Con Dios so many tunes from out yesterdays

Lurking lately, now catching up again after last weekends deep deep freeze here in Vermont. Live about 50 air miles from Mount Washington and was paying close attention to the extreme weather, cause there's new plumbing in my unheated, fortunately below grade marginally insulated basement. It was 21 below zero last Saturday morning with 35 mph gusts that night, very happy to be earth sheltered. But all that pales infinitesimally to the tragic situation in Turkey. So though #45 was here, was not in the mood to begin paying attention until now, have not yet completed a first run. First impression was very good to excellent recording, Donna in a good place, agreed it seems a bit drum forward, seems to be slight emphasis on mid bass such there is slight percussive effect not noticed on most other recordings. This is a very minor observation. Glad to have these shows tidied up, good fun, obviously not peak 77. Easily distracted by other posts, totally agree with Oro that when the Dead went to Macintosh power amps, audio was cleaned up by a factor or at least 10X... love those old Fender tube amps when they are run right but there was tube abuse, those 6L6s, EL84s etc output tubes pushed so hard, ran so hot, their distortion figures must have been above the 1-2% range. Now to video, though the VftV series is here along with other commercially released vids, had never thought to look for the June 21, 1971 Chateau d'Herouville show and was pleased to find it this morning on utu be. House party on the lawn. Bit rough and raw, hand held cameras, for such a location, the audio is good and there's an excellent Hard to Handle, pig in fine form. Worth checking out.

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50 years ago today I wasn't at Maples Pavilion up in Palo Alto. ( I'm sure I was doing something that was just as fun), but my brother was there and he had a blast!. This show would make a great release.

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when Doc and Dennis just handled it all.

Except, what about Jer on Disc One?? He's ripping!

Haven't spun the shows yet. Just dipped toe. More toes tonight.

Arrived this morning. Good to see it in the flesh, as it were, after having looked at it's picture so many times on the board. I have only played the 1st cd, and I did enjoy it - crisp and clear with plenty of energy. It's neither more nor less than I was expecting really. Possibly a bit more. One of the benefits of reading negative reviews is that it lowers the bar a bit, so that when I do get to hear the offending show, it sounds better than I was expecting. When everyone praises a show it sometimes gives it too much to live up to. And when I do eventually get round to listening to one of those, I can then think that it's not as good as everyone says it is.

Curiously the "Promised Land "-"They Love Each Other" openers appear to be soundboard recordings on my old bootleg. The Promised Land suddenly cuts out after a minute, though.

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I have absolutely no idea how May '77 Cornell became so revered. It sounds/plays like the least interesting show in that run. Real good show. No standout.

Just two cents to augment what daverock said.

From what I've heard so far, I'm going to really enjoy the new pick and not worry how it might be assessed by others. As for ranking shows, I don't have the brain cells to spare.

Most likely because it was the first high-quality soundboard recording that was widely available to the masses. It got everybody hooked. Thank you Betty.

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This part. Exactly.

First tape I ever owned.

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Yes, this time Dave's Picks arrived in Växjö in less than two weeks!

Got it yesterday, on February 8th, and listen right now to the second CD (second set from October 1st). Good music even though shows from 1977 seems to be a little over-done by now.

I would appreciate more bits and pieces from fall 1966 to 1970 and maybe not as a Dave's Picks volume, I would appreciate a release of June 9-10, 1973.
I have a framed poster above my stereo / TV furniture with a photo of Weir, Lesh and Garcia from one of those shows. Bought it in San Francisco in August or September 1986 and have had it on different walls since I got home to Sweden again. The show from June 10 was one of my first tapes I recieved early in 1985 after having a tape traders ad in the last issue of The Golden Road fanzine in 1984.
But I would prefer something much more superior in sound quality by now. :-)

Well, anyway I'm pleased and grateful for a delivery faster than the seven or eight weeks I normally have to wait for a new DP volume! :-)

Micke Östlund,
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Just for the record, I've only ever had one....................

In regards to Cornell, it was definitely NOT one of the first high quality boards available to the masses. That's a myth, there were lots of other high quality things----including early stuff. That being said, it WAS one of the first high quality 77s to enter wide circulation. But as many more 77s came out---including the shows right before and right after----some of the luster came off Cornell.

I think Cornell is similar to Veneta---it's one of those "you had to be there" types of things. And, like Veneta, good show, but one of the great great overrated Grateful Dead shows.

Just one man's opinion.......

Rock on,

Doc
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Does anyone else hear a muffled voice, like someone on a phone or behind glass say "He's just talking to 1A, come on back." during Black Peter, right at 6:45? Did it come from the disc, or did my computer pick up a nearby call or something.

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Who cares? It either moves you or it doesn't. If it moves you listen again, if it doesn't then move on to something that does. I like some of these picks more than others, but I want them all. I don't have any list of desired releases, and although I love to see shows that I attended released, they are not necessarily the releases that I go back to most often. Really, I just want shows with good sound quality, songs presented in order, and beyond that it is all subjective. One person's good release is another's ho-hum release, which is pretty clear from this thread. I like to listen to a wide variety of music, with a good chunk of it Dead, but there is so much music to listen to, and my enjoyment depends not a bit on how folks rank it.

Burt Bacharach had a ton of great stuff, including some fantastic stuff covered by Isaac Hayes that really hits the spot - Walk on By from Hot Buttered Soul, The Look of Love from ...To Be Continued, and They Long to Be from the classic Black Moses album, some really classic stuff best played a little loud on a good system. Or maybe a lot loud.

Yes, I've just heard it on "Black Peter" too. I think this show, 10/1, is pretty good overall. Some great guitar playing throughout.
I wonder also if shows like Cornell and Veneta gained a reputation because of strongly expressed and publicised opinions affirming their superiority in earlier times. And those opinions became reinforced by others until they became perceived as fact. John Dwork wrote pages and pages about Veneta in The Taping Compendium, whereas some shows on the European tour were summed up in a few paragraphs. Granted, they may not have had the full tapes for some of the European shows, but the impression given is that Veneta is the greatest show of the year - if not of all time. Maybe articles like that, blow shows..like that...out of all proportion.

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Oh, it's there on the disc. It freaked me out when I first heard it in my car zoned in on the commute to work!

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This release to me felt like an old broke in pair of jeans the first time I listened to it. It feels comfortable and makes me feel good. I've listened to it all four or five times now, minus Let it Grow and Cassidy which I generally just do not care for. Bah! Humbug! How dare he.

I have a Nash T52 Telecaster which arrived, brand new, heavily relic'd. I liken this release to it. The guitar played like butter right out of the box like an old friend I just met. I had never heard this show before, but it's what, 46 years old? Older is usually better with cars, wine, whisky, guitars, Dead shows. Hell, my wife is 50 and I wouldn't even trade her for a 20 year old. ;-p

Just a matter of taste I guess. Love this release and can't wait for the next one.

Peace everyone... well, almost.

\m/

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Ho
Lee
Phuc

I give up on y'all

I really gotta quit coming to these posting thingies....

Cornell

Great sound and the greatest orgasmic Morning Dew of all time

"You told me goodbye
How was I to know
You didnt mean goodbye
You meant please
Dont let me go"

....I like the '83 Santa Fe shows. Like. A lot. Definitely whatever rated lol.
I'm just here hoping for a Dave's that is numbered under four digits. One day.
And LedDed. I wouldn't trade my 50+ year old wife for a 20 year old either.
She's hotter and smarter anyways.

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Hey, Nineteen
No, we got nothing in common
No, we can't dance together
No, we can't talk at all
Please take me along, when you slide on down

Yngwie Malmsteen - Relentless
The Flaming Lips - At War With The Mystics
GD - 10.2.77 Portland, OR
The Cult - Love
Deep Purple - Deep Purple In Rock
List works imo....

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....Yo La Tengo just dropped a record. Like, forty minutes ago.
Yessssss

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It always strikes me as ludicrous when people think they have nothing in common with others who disagree with them. The commonality lies in the fact that people understand each other, not that they agree. If I told my neighbour that I thought Veneta or Cornell were overrated, she would neither know nor care what I was talking about. If I said the same thing on here - I'm not assuming anyone would care - but at least a lot of people would understand what I was saying. Whether anyone agreed or not would be interesting to me - but not divisive.

Ledded - that Nash tele sounds alright. I wouldn't mind seeing a picture of that.

I am sure the 50 year old wives find it reassuring that they wouldn't be swopped for 20 years olds. What about when they are 60, though? With a 30 year old ?

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