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    What a setlist!... Made me jealous of those who saw this era live. Great sound… like ‘77 was yesterday. @derekb192 on 10/1/77, YouTube

    Wow! Just as when you think eyes is gonna go to drums out of the bliss comes dancing! One of my all time fave moments! Not just classic 77 but classic ever dead! - @emrysdavies1215 on 10/1/77, YouTube

    ...this show was off the hook from the very get go. The Casey Jones is the best I've heard... beginning a jam that goes through each member going off on an instrumental solo. The end has them jamming so hard you can no longer hear them singing through it. Now you know you're in trouble (The Good Kind) when a show starts like that... Weirtheir on 10/2/77, Dead.net

    Holy hell, the 10/2/77 Betty Board sounds incredible... I just wanted to pay homage to this unreleased gem, which features the lovely, tight playing you'd expect of a 77 show with some of the highest audio quality I've ever heard ... What a treat. u/monsteroftheweek13 on 10/2/77, Reddit

    I told my mother I was going into Portland with friends. I never told her where I went... @jamesmoore3694 on 10/1/77, YouTube

    We know where you've been and we're taking you back with the twice as nice DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 45: PARAMOUNT THEATRE, PORTLAND, OR - 10/1/77 & 10/2/77. Back-to-back complete previously unreleased shows on 4CDs? You betcha! Why? Because we couldn't pick one over the other of these two nights that have been described as "fire," "mind-frying," and "crispy" (bit of a theme here) too many times to count. Witness it for yourself when you dig into the inventive medleys and pristine sound, not to mention the first "Dupree's Diamond Blues" since '69 and the first live "Casey Jones" since '74.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson (with a boost from Bob Menke, more about that in David's video) and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    83 sante fe

    Tasty yummy

  • Charlie3
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    Not Quite 20

    Hey, Nineteen
    No, we got nothing in common
    No, we can't dance together
    No, we can't talk at all
    Please take me along, when you slide on down

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    Overrated vs Underrated....

    ....I like the '83 Santa Fe shows. Like. A lot. Definitely whatever rated lol.
    I'm just here hoping for a Dave's that is numbered under four digits. One day.
    And LedDed. I wouldn't trade my 50+ year old wife for a 20 year old either.
    She's hotter and smarter anyways.

  • proudfoot
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    Veneta overrated???

    Ho
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    Phuc

    I give up on y'all

    I really gotta quit coming to these posting thingies....

    Cornell

    Great sound and the greatest orgasmic Morning Dew of all time

    "You told me goodbye
    How was I to know
    You didnt mean goodbye
    You meant please
    Dont let me go"

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    This release to me felt like an old broke in pair of jeans the first time I listened to it. It feels comfortable and makes me feel good. I've listened to it all four or five times now, minus Let it Grow and Cassidy which I generally just do not care for. Bah! Humbug! How dare he.

    I have a Nash T52 Telecaster which arrived, brand new, heavily relic'd. I liken this release to it. The guitar played like butter right out of the box like an old friend I just met. I had never heard this show before, but it's what, 46 years old? Older is usually better with cars, wine, whisky, guitars, Dead shows. Hell, my wife is 50 and I wouldn't even trade her for a 20 year old. ;-p

    Just a matter of taste I guess. Love this release and can't wait for the next one.

    Peace everyone... well, almost.

    \m/

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    Burnsy Weir-Dness

    Oh, it's there on the disc. It freaked me out when I first heard it in my car zoned in on the commute to work!

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    Yes, I've just heard it on "Black Peter" too. I think this show, 10/1, is pretty good overall. Some great guitar playing throughout.
    I wonder also if shows like Cornell and Veneta gained a reputation because of strongly expressed and publicised opinions affirming their superiority in earlier times. And those opinions became reinforced by others until they became perceived as fact. John Dwork wrote pages and pages about Veneta in The Taping Compendium, whereas some shows on the European tour were summed up in a few paragraphs. Granted, they may not have had the full tapes for some of the European shows, but the impression given is that Veneta is the greatest show of the year - if not of all time. Maybe articles like that, blow shows..like that...out of all proportion.

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    Who cares? It either moves you or it doesn't. If it moves you listen again, if it doesn't then move on to something that does. I like some of these picks more than others, but I want them all. I don't have any list of desired releases, and although I love to see shows that I attended released, they are not necessarily the releases that I go back to most often. Really, I just want shows with good sound quality, songs presented in order, and beyond that it is all subjective. One person's good release is another's ho-hum release, which is pretty clear from this thread. I like to listen to a wide variety of music, with a good chunk of it Dead, but there is so much music to listen to, and my enjoyment depends not a bit on how folks rank it.

    Burt Bacharach had a ton of great stuff, including some fantastic stuff covered by Isaac Hayes that really hits the spot - Walk on By from Hot Buttered Soul, The Look of Love from ...To Be Continued, and They Long to Be from the classic Black Moses album, some really classic stuff best played a little loud on a good system. Or maybe a lot loud.

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    Black Peter Weir-dness @ 6:45

    Does anyone else hear a muffled voice, like someone on a phone or behind glass say "He's just talking to 1A, come on back." during Black Peter, right at 6:45? Did it come from the disc, or did my computer pick up a nearby call or something.

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    You ask me if I keep a notebook to record my great ideas.....

    Just for the record, I've only ever had one....................

    In regards to Cornell, it was definitely NOT one of the first high quality boards available to the masses. That's a myth, there were lots of other high quality things----including early stuff. That being said, it WAS one of the first high quality 77s to enter wide circulation. But as many more 77s came out---including the shows right before and right after----some of the luster came off Cornell.

    I think Cornell is similar to Veneta---it's one of those "you had to be there" types of things. And, like Veneta, good show, but one of the great great overrated Grateful Dead shows.

    Just one man's opinion.......

    Rock on,

    Doc
    He who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed......

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What a setlist!... Made me jealous of those who saw this era live. Great sound… like ‘77 was yesterday. @derekb192 on 10/1/77, YouTube

Wow! Just as when you think eyes is gonna go to drums out of the bliss comes dancing! One of my all time fave moments! Not just classic 77 but classic ever dead! - @emrysdavies1215 on 10/1/77, YouTube

...this show was off the hook from the very get go. The Casey Jones is the best I've heard... beginning a jam that goes through each member going off on an instrumental solo. The end has them jamming so hard you can no longer hear them singing through it. Now you know you're in trouble (The Good Kind) when a show starts like that... Weirtheir on 10/2/77, Dead.net

Holy hell, the 10/2/77 Betty Board sounds incredible... I just wanted to pay homage to this unreleased gem, which features the lovely, tight playing you'd expect of a 77 show with some of the highest audio quality I've ever heard ... What a treat. u/monsteroftheweek13 on 10/2/77, Reddit

I told my mother I was going into Portland with friends. I never told her where I went... @jamesmoore3694 on 10/1/77, YouTube

We know where you've been and we're taking you back with the twice as nice DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 45: PARAMOUNT THEATRE, PORTLAND, OR - 10/1/77 & 10/2/77. Back-to-back complete previously unreleased shows on 4CDs? You betcha! Why? Because we couldn't pick one over the other of these two nights that have been described as "fire," "mind-frying," and "crispy" (bit of a theme here) too many times to count. Witness it for yourself when you dig into the inventive medleys and pristine sound, not to mention the first "Dupree's Diamond Blues" since '69 and the first live "Casey Jones" since '74.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson (with a boost from Bob Menke, more about that in David's video) and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Did disc 1 on the smaller system yesterday and was very pleased.
Disc 2 on the big system today and I cannot seem to turn down the kick drum.
Need an EQ to just turn that part down. Got the bass turned down to about 9 o'clock. Losing Phil just to get away from that drum. I'm used to this, from even way back in the DiPs when Mickey was involved in the remastering/mixing, but this is way too much. It would sound great in a disco or rave but seems quite out of balance with the rest of the sound in my living room setting. I think I'll just turn it up more and scare the cats. What the hell, the lady next door is pretty deaf anyway so why not. Simple solution to my first world problem.
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Dates announced. Grabbed my tics in presale. Vguy? Nappy? Anyone?

Hottest band in the land these days and they almost always weave in a Sugaree somewhere in their monster sets.

Just fyi. As you were.

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With the Grateful Dead!!!
Cold Rain& Snow
West LA Fadeaway>
Cassidy
Truckin

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Arguably the best versions of Dark Star, The Other One and Lovelight.

....music 🎵 🎶 is what we all do best here!
Saw that TTB at RR announcement. Definite maybe at this point.
Saw that Duran Duran is playing here again in August. At a much larger venue this time.
Phish also announced their summer tour today. The Midwest and NE getting the shaft. Again. Fingers crossed they play the Sphere here on Halloween, although I am seeing them at the Hollywood Bowl in April. Apologies if I already posted that prior.

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You had your wedding ring cut off, then went to a concert with the babysitter from your youth?!

:-O

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Touch of Grey
Truckin
Sugar Mag
Johnny B Goode

Gotta know your audience.

....but I would switch Touch and Sugar Mags re the setlist.
And I didn't nail anything re my babysitter. Shame on you ;)
But she dressed up and smelled nice lol. We made a nice looking couple if you ask me.
She was a dealer for years at Bally's. Told me stories of dealing cards to the high rollers. Pai Gow was her game. Asians love it and tip well. Especially when comped drinks.
My mom and her have been lifelong friends since circa 1976. My sister and I still stay in touch with her son and daughter. They live in Chicago. Don't ask me why.

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Catpissonmycouch Blues
Mass Shootings Blues
Dihqish Student Blues
Psychotic Spouse Blues
Untrustworthy Blues
Catalytic Converter Blues
Self-Service Blues
Ear Infection Blues
Finance Blues
Atrophy Blues
Zitinmynose Blues

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DaP45 just landed in Nottingham U.K. I think I ought to know this but don’t - what does the number 102 represent on the train skull on the front cover?

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switchman sleeping, train 102 is on the wrong track and ...........

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This is what Jack Hardy says about "I Ought to Know"

I ought to know more than I know
I ought to know where this road goes
I ought to know great literature by heart
The history of art
This I ought to know

I ought to know more than 1492
I ought to know what the Buffalo Bills do
I ought to know more than the quarterback's wounded knee
What happened at Sand Creek
This I ought to know
But I don't

I ought to know about the sacrifices made
I ought to know ration stamps, air raids
I ought to know more than George C. Scott
And John Wayne get shot
This I ought to know

I ought to know what the drinking gourd means
I ought to know more than "I have a dream"
I ought to know about the back of the bus
And the crack of billy clubs
This I ought to know
But I don't

(chorus:)
I don't know nothing about nothing
But I'm proud to stand upright
I don't know nothing about nothing
But my future looks so bright
Illumined by the light
Laugh-tracks, soundbites
And a replay to get it right
I ought to know

I ought to know the songs of Joe Hill
I ought to know Trotsky, Marx and Hagel
I ought to know about the Haymarket hangings
And the H.U.A.C
This I ought to know

I ought to know about Oliver Cromwell
I ought to know about the Gnostics and St. Paul
I ought to know what Jesus really said
And who the preacher takes to bed
This I ought to know
But I don't

I ought to know what's buried in the landfill
I ought to know about the clear-cutting bills
I ought to know about pipelines and schemes
What extinction really means
This I ought to know

I ought to know for whom the bell tolls
I ought to know the pride and prejudice of polls
I ought to know if the grapes of wrath are union
Picked by Victor Jara's hands
This I ought to know
But I don't

....... probably a lot we all should know :-)

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The HBO documentary regarding the album Jagged Little Pill was surprisingly good. Didn’t realize it sold approximately 30 million copies worldwide.

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Saw them at the Greek last year and they were pretty incredible, so yeah, if you can see them at Red Rocks go for it.
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Something about a 12-piece band fronted by the Slide Man and Herself Susan putting out the big sound on groovy R&B, space jams and little combos within the 12 players and her voice and his voice that gets me every time. And it's so cool to have been fans of each of them before they joined forces that makes it all even better.

Thanks for the affirmation, marye! Come on out! It's just me and 9,999 of my best friends for two nights.

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5/7/69 DARK STAR
6/7/69

PLEASE DAVE RELEASE A BUNCH OF GD 1969!!!

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25" at Wolf Creek, 17" at Telluride, 12" here in Montrose.
Friends above Ridgway got 24" overnight, yowza! (edit: 14", drifts over 24")
It's my fault. Told my sister in NZ we haven't had a big snow since the holidays.
She's lucky to be on the South Island in NZ. Flooding rains and 36' waves at the North Island. Surf's up. Cowabunga!
Cheers
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This is the most ludicrous thing I have seen yet on this site. If you oughta know, go into a library and read a book. It is free. That is really poor verse, also. Educate yourself and stop the liberal whining, blaming someone else for your ignorance and the world's problems. Injustice is ingrained in human nature. I oughta know if Dave's Picks 45 is just good or awesome. But I can't because of rubbish like this.

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OK DEEDEE, Since you know tell us whether the release is awesome or not rather than railing at other comments.
For what it’s worth ( a good song IMO) I think the release is better than average and I was surprised at how good the two aud tracks sound. I think the second show is marginally better than the first but both are enjoyable.

Reading everyone’s requests for possible releases I can only quote Sir Henry at Rawlinson’s End, “I don’t know what I want, but I want it now”. I look forward to whatever comes my way although I’d prefer it wasn’t an ultra matrix recording. The mixed in audience sounds don’t sound right to me, but each to their own.

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You should have known!
Congratulations on posting the most ludicrous thing EVER!
Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

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I was sick and tired on V-day morning, and slept through the pre-sale for TTB at Red Rocks. I figure this could've been the universe telling me I don't need to be there this year. Then again, maybe a couple of tix will turn up on Ye Olde Secondarye Markete.

In other words, I need a miracle. Do they still happen?

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There won’t be many books left in libraries after the right-wing is finished censoring free speech.

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(an old cartoon my kids watched)

"Dee Dee, no!"

And a quote from MPFC (Terry Jones as a housewife): "liberal rubbish!"

Leave Dennis alone. He cool.

Blessed are the liberals, for they at least have a conscience.

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....you are not wrong. 🥂
World problems? Is that akin to first world problems? I'm more concerned about America's problems first and foremost. Backburning everything else at this point.
I'm assuming the liberal whining was directed at me. All good. I got a pretty tough skin.
All I know is that conservatives put God and Guns in the same melting pot. Kinda wierd.
Thoughts and prayers everyone.
You can pm me if you want DeeDee if you want to educate me btw.

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You aren't going to find out if Dave's 45 is good or awesome on here. You are going to have to listen to it to find that out.
The only thing with talking about American politics on here is that if you don't live in America,the chances are you won't know what people are talking about. Unless it relates to a major world event, or is something that can be seen in broader context than just the U.S. Not that it bothers me - there aren't that many anyway.

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It would be great if a list of all the Grateful Dead tapes in the vault and in Owsleys banana boxes could be released. I'm sure that they have a list like that and it wouldn't be a problem to post it here on this site.

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hey Deedee, I come to this site every day, to read and mostly enjoy the, as you call it, ludicrous posts on this site. I haven't seen any "liberal whining" that you speak of. Now I might have missed it so could you point them out to me? Now I know somedays things can be tough and one might feel the need to come on a groovy site and crap all over it, but really, this is not the place for such foolishness.
As far as liberal whining, well it surely isn't as bad as trying to install an illegitimate fake king, is it? Or trying to take senior citizens life blood away ie SS or...I could go on but hopefully, you get my drift. All that is left to say is, hey dude, you're not part of the sideshow here, are you?
I have read and read these pages and nowhere did I see anyone blaming someone else for ignorance or the world's problems. Unless it was supposed to be taken as a joke. Check sense of humor, I know it's difficult sometimes but life it seems is easier with a smile on your face.
As far as you oughta know if Dave's is good or awesome, why start a row, gee, follow your own recommendations and read a book or go to the library and check it out and listen to it. Music is very subjective and therefore what some think is awesome may be not to your liking and vice versa.
Rubbish? One man gathers what another man spills. All are included here. even you.
political rant over, as you were.

I second Billy The Kidd’d’s excellent suggestion to release a comprehensive list of all the Crown Jewels in the vault, including those Bear Banana boxes. It would be amazing to know what tapes are in storage, waiting to see the light of day.
Perhaps Dave needs an intern or two to help put the list together, and I’m thinking there would literally be thousands of volunteers on this site alone! If the TicketBastard fiasco with Taylor Swift ticket sales was bad, wait until Dave posts that he needs a “couple of helping hands”!!! ;)
Great idea, Billy!

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always on target with his comments.

Y'all be cool, BtK.

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Didn't like the poem.

Here's one for you:

They say that patriotism is the last refuge

To which a scoundrel clings

Steal a little and they throw you in jail

Steal a lot and they make you king

There’s only one step down from here, baby

It’s called the land of permanent bliss

What’s a sweetheart like you doin’ in a dump like this?

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There once was a man from Pawtucket,….oh, wait that won’t work.
How bout, there once was a man from Rangoon….no, that won’t work either…
Never mind

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I check in this site on a somewhat regular basis and I often notice snide political comments being made without repercussion or comment...unless the comment is not leaning left at which point the pile on begins. Take a look and you may find that there are a number of political comments criticizing those who the left disagrees with, often labelled as someone's political post for the month, and notice the lack of any outcry to keep politics off the site in response to those posts. I stopped coming here as regularly in the spring of 2020, when this site pretty much turned into a political message board intolerant of anything other than unquestioning support for Joe Biden and the agenda of the left. Questioning whether all of the random destruction and rioting after the George Floyd murder was an appropriate response was heresy. Pointing out the unassailable fact that Joe Biden was the primary author of the federal laws escalating and militarizing the drug war during his decades as head of the Senate Judiciary Committe responsible for the drafting of federal criminal law was blasphemy and resulted in demands to keep your political thoughts to yourself. If you don't want politics on the site, don't make political posts. If you do make political posts, realize, someone is going to disagree and may want to respond. And if you plan to respond with a viewpoint to the right of center, prepare to be piled on.

And RIP Raquel.

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....is being released on vinyl. limited edition of 5k. But 140 gram??

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I keep getting drawn back to two excellent live Can cds this week, both From 1975 - "Live In Brighton" and "Live In Stuttgart". Both doubles, every minute filled with exploratory improvisational rock. Although nothing else I have heard in rock music sounds like it. The Dead are name checked in the sleeve notes to the Brighton set, with Can's wall of sound amp lay out apparently influenced by pictures of The Dead's set up. Their pre concert music ritual ensured they were up and flying from the moment they took to the stage to the moment they left it.

I can remember the response to George Floyd's death here in England -which denied discussion in a way. Some people I knew were dropping on to one knee so fast you would have thought they'd been shot.

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Wanted to say thanks Dave for number 45 with the 2 Betty's, awesome sound, some fine jams.

Normally business is not something I want to discuss here, but I also wanted to thank David Zaslav the CEO of Warner Discovery. I had wondered if he would sell off the Warner Music Division, but instead, he has strengthened it. I received my copy a couple of days before official release date and the packaging with one exception appears better produced, etc.

So thanks to both Dave's, and of course all of the other contributors to the Dave's Pick Series. Nice Job!!!

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I always ask that politics and religion not be discussed here. I have opinions on both, but try not to discuss or respond to others posts. For me, this is Grateful Dead Headquarters and all I want out of it is Grateful Dead stories. I have been a head almost 40 years, and yet, I know I still have a lot to learn. Just their 30 year life, and the millions they touched, should be enough to keep the discussion going for a long time. I prefer Dead show discussions and then any other music discussion, like see below.

Dave Rock, a few weeks back I mentioned not being able to get some brain cells to pull back memories. It was about the death of Crosby and also Jeff Beck. The Crosby story, from what I remember, concerns Crosby opening for Grateful Dead on 12/31/86. I think it was Crosby, then Neville Brothers then at 10 -10:15 Grateful Dead first set. Crosby talked about being in prison, so I had to go back and do some research. I thought he said, "I was in a Mexican Prison, and believe me (a warning!!!) you definitely dont want to go there". When I did my research, he was in a Texas prison on bunk charges from years before he turned himself into authorities. Now Texan and Mexican can be confused but did he say "I was in a Texas prison and it was no better than a Mexican prison." Not sure, as again I had the Big Head. Regardless, he was just warning the audience to be careful as times had not gotten better for the party people, it may have gotten worse. Which I think it was worse in the mid 80's then at the beginning of this psychedelic adventure. Like I posted about some Ventura shows, it was a laid back time, the DEA had not begun its infiltration or as I call it the deepening of the Federal Government's illegal war on American Citizens. (OK some politics). But now, we see renewed strength in scientific breakthroughs concerning Psychedelics being very positive in helping those suffering from severe trauma.

And to the Feds, you have already legalized Marijuana as you made CBD legal nationally, which of course, is from the male plant. But you cant have a male without a female. Hopefully, my last political thought here, everyone in Washington D.C. is most absolutely the deepest of SCUM!

OK I apologize for that one, but only because I made a political statement.

OK, now back to my mantra.

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Just in case you missed the announcement, 5-7-77 RSD release is coming to you on April 22 2023.

Les cinq derniers:

Lee Andrews & the Hearts Greatest Hits
GD 3-9-81
Beach Boys Holland
Motown Chartbusters Vol. 4
Joe South Greatest Hits

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Get down & listen to the Grateful Dead perform ‘Casey Jones’ on 7/21/72, at the ‘Paramount Northwest Theatre, Seattle, WA !
The Dead released this in their “Download series” which is Volume 10 ! ;)

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More 1977 ...but nevertheless, while I have come to think 5/8/77 may be overrated, 5/7/77 now seems very underrated. And as RSD releases can be bought in the UK ...I think I'll be stepping out for this one.

Talk to me baby... everyone doing the hump, the humpty humpty.

Name the famous bass player on that one?

And Umphrey's is indeed a great band. After I got off the bus, from seeing GD shows, I did a lot of jam band exploration starting in the early 1990's and going through about 2005, when Katrina hit New Orleans. The last time I saw Umphrey's McGee was Jazz Fest at night 2003 at the State Palace Theater. It was Umphrey's McGee opening for Moe. It was a great show. I saw Moe with Medeski Martin and Wood in 2002, I think, maybe earlier. The night after Umpff at the State Street Theater, on Saturday, I went to Gov't Mule at the Saenger Theater where they filmed "The Deepest End, record, cd, dvd. I always recommend both the CD and the DVD, as the cd has songs the dvd doesnt and vice versa. Warren Haynes and Mule put on one of the best concerts I ever saw. Show started around 7pm and let out around 3am. If you havent seen I recommend highly. Just double checked on ebay and the 2cd set with the dvd is available brand new. I bought them separate, I am assuming they have re-issued as for years you couldnt find the dvd at all. (Edit, looks like import so watch the dvd region as i did not check that out.)

Saw a bunc of crazy stuff that weekend. East Coast West Coast Jazz Allstars at Howlin Wolf's, Buckethead, and as written before, The Funky Meters which show started at midnight Sunday-Monday.

Have not been back to New Orleans since Katrina...I am to old for some of this sh1t. Just read, the State Palace has not been renovated since Katrina which is sad as it is almost 100 years old.

It is worth a look to see pictures of both of these wonderful Palaces...makes me think of the old Kaiser Auditorium, many of the same issues, everyone wants renovation, but it is always very expensive.

And ummm, the aforementioned bass player I saw in 1977 or1978 with Parliament Funkadelic. The Mothership Connection! Absolutely Wild as the ship landed.

Oh yeah, and Ellis D. Trails - so nice!
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Might take a while longer; seeing brand new copies selling or having been sold well below cost, some with free shipping. Similar prices for #44.
Wouldn't be surprised if they go from 25,000 to 22,000 next year

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