Grateful Dead

One thing about audience recordings...not a lot of mix issues.

Like 10 6 80.

High energy with no political commentary filler.

With all these talks of sound mixes. 2 tracks and so on. Wonder if it's financially feasible for GD to employ the "AI" technology that was used on The Beatles "Get Back" movie and the upcoming "Revolver" remix. As I understand it, a technology was used to separate out different parts of the sound so they can be mix separately, which no one could do before because of the "tracks" limitation. For example, if brent, bobby, and phil were all recorded on one track - the original mix (how loud each instrument was in the mix) is it, it's all we got. If the keyboard is drowning out everything else, there's no way to fix it no matter how many times anyone remaster it, because that's the master! But I believe this new technology can separate each instrument out to its own track, and then they can be remix and give us a more balanced sound.

I guess it's depend on how much more we're willing to pay to employ this tech!

There is nothing anyone can do about changing the levels of individual instruments on these recordings.
What Mickey or whomever was doing was helping with remastering, which is something completely different.

And really, I’ve heard and read Bobbie clearly stating that “we’ve all been asleep too long” and even more straight up political call to get involved before it’s too late. Yes nobody likes this, but that’s how fucked up it’s getting.
I mean how desperate do things have to get before it’s ok to mention uncomfortable stuff?
So just keep burying your head in the sand and soon we won’t be allowed to talk like this at all!
The futures here, we are it, we are on our own!

and others.
For the eighteenth time: these are not professionally recorded multi track recordings!!
They were NEVER intended to be released!
They are 2 channel (stereo) tapes that were produced by Dan Healy as a tool to help him with his work.
That work was to make the band sound good live in concert, not your living room!
Consequently, sometimes the mix might not make sense in your living room. I,e., if the stage instruments are really loud, the mixer won’t need to boost as much through the PA. Thus, those instruments might not seem loud enough on the tape, or in your living room. Furthermore, the first song is always unbalanced, sometimes it takes a good chunk of the first set, as the mix is dependent on how loud or quiet the signal sent by the musician is: if Jerry hasn’t turned up yet, then he won’t seem loud enough. During the first song the mixer is mostly trying to get the vocals going, and bringing the overall levels up, so he’s not going to worry about messing with JGs level too much knowing that JG will turn himself up when he wants to. When you mix the same band all the time, you don’t turn all the knobs back to zero after each show, you leave things generally where they are (or will you know they’ll need to be) and then fine tune the next night as needed. Basically, he sets levels approximately where they’ll end up and let’s the band grow into them if you will.
With Beatty boards etc, there was a dedicated person, who was able to create a mix specifically for making a recording, unfortunately later on the tapes were not made like this so sometimes they have more noticeable anomalies.
Since this is baked into the 2 track only tape, THERE IS NO WAY TO FIX IT!
It is what it is, caveat emptor as these releases used to clearly warn!

Now it it was a multitrack tape (meaning most instruments have their own channel on the tape which can be individually modified later on, and something was disproportionately low in the release mix, THEN you’d have a point, but since it’s only a 2 channel tape made as an afterthought, not intended for release, you have to take it or leave it.

OFF TOPIC: really DR, your going to criticize about that? The guy who usually talks about anything BUT GD?
I mean no offense but if some of us have to hear about Hawkwind again we’re gonna puke!

Please keep them off the board. Despite what was said earlier, the GD was not a political band. Very much to the contrary. Encouraging people to vote is not being political.

Let's keep our comments to the poor sound/mix quality of the MSG box.

Thank you.

When the Dick's Picks were coming out, likely still the ones Dick picked, I remember hearing that Mickey was helping the crew with the remastering-mixing. It made sense because I've always thought they were a bit drum heavy. It is still that way but not to the degree that's as noticeable. Plus I've changed equipment now so maybe that's all it was to begin with.
Did my civic duty yesterday. Colorado has been vote by mail for years now thank goodness. But I don't get the cool sticker that says I voted.
Cheers, let's go out and make it a good one.

just got censored by MSN and Microsoft for agreeing with, shall we say, patriots, who stated the truth about what is going down. It's already happening and let's hope they stay away from this site.

I concur with your statement ie Jerry. I wonder if Jer was alive, if these remasters would sound different? I think the remaining members might be an influence. For sure, I don't have any knowledge of that being said anywhere, just wondering?

…call for desperate measures.
Make sure you vote or we soon might not be allowed to, and what we do here might not be allowed either…

From the listening party Stranger, it sounds like Jerry is kind of buried in the mix, and absolutely not the first time I've heard that on a remastered release. Take the slipknot from 10/12/83 off the recent box, for example. Not sure if I'm the only one who feels like this, but isn't a lead guitar supposed to "lead"? Obviously I understand the whole ethos of the Dead's music, that they were going for a more united sound, but it seems kind of detractive for Bob's "rhythm" notes to be overshadowing Jerry's lines. I understand that Norman mixes the remaster democratically, but again, what's a lead guitar for if not for the spotlight? I read once that Norman doesn't raise Jerry's levels on any remaster because "he was already loud enough", but if you're normalizing the levels across the board, he just gets lost in the fray. Another thing I wanna point out is that Jerry wasn't the leader of the grateful dead, he always made a point of shying away from that, but let's be honest, who was the one people deified when he was alive and more so after he passed? Shouldn't that be somewhat reflected in the remastering? I just feel that Jerry's leads should be overpowering and yet, I've got the volume turned up as much as I can without sacrificing fidelity just to hear what he was playing, and even then, I've gotta really focus on him for that. Anyway, rant over, just thought I'd share my two cents. Not even sure if this is the right place to do so, despite it being the forum for Dave's 44, as the subject matter tends to talk about nearly anything but the release itself. The grateful dead were always a political band, to be sure, but it'd be great if these forums could try to focus on the music, reddit does exist after all.

Thanks and I'm really not trying to be a d**k with the ending there