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    What a setlist!... Made me jealous of those who saw this era live. Great sound… like ‘77 was yesterday. @derekb192 on 10/1/77, YouTube

    Wow! Just as when you think eyes is gonna go to drums out of the bliss comes dancing! One of my all time fave moments! Not just classic 77 but classic ever dead! - @emrysdavies1215 on 10/1/77, YouTube

    ...this show was off the hook from the very get go. The Casey Jones is the best I've heard... beginning a jam that goes through each member going off on an instrumental solo. The end has them jamming so hard you can no longer hear them singing through it. Now you know you're in trouble (The Good Kind) when a show starts like that... Weirtheir on 10/2/77, Dead.net

    Holy hell, the 10/2/77 Betty Board sounds incredible... I just wanted to pay homage to this unreleased gem, which features the lovely, tight playing you'd expect of a 77 show with some of the highest audio quality I've ever heard ... What a treat. u/monsteroftheweek13 on 10/2/77, Reddit

    I told my mother I was going into Portland with friends. I never told her where I went... @jamesmoore3694 on 10/1/77, YouTube

    We know where you've been and we're taking you back with the twice as nice DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 45: PARAMOUNT THEATRE, PORTLAND, OR - 10/1/77 & 10/2/77. Back-to-back complete previously unreleased shows on 4CDs? You betcha! Why? Because we couldn't pick one over the other of these two nights that have been described as "fire," "mind-frying," and "crispy" (bit of a theme here) too many times to count. Witness it for yourself when you dig into the inventive medleys and pristine sound, not to mention the first "Dupree's Diamond Blues" since '69 and the first live "Casey Jones" since '74.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson (with a boost from Bob Menke, more about that in David's video) and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    Give it a listen on archive

    You're welcome

  • billy the kiddd
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    Sells out immediately

    9/19 & 20/70.

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    It wasn’t me that raised the issue, I only mentioned that one factor that may be slowing sales is the international shipping rate of $16 per item, but it is what it is.
    But beyond that, I never give it much thought.

    Edit: No problem, 1st Show. It’s just I’m under oath, I want no problems with the law.

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    I think it was Crow or That Mike he is referring to DR. Had to do a double take myself and go back and see. Certainly an informed opinion running a store. There are tons of resellers on ebay and some of the prices are astronomical but as Colin said that's the free market at work. At those prices there must be a very limited market i.e. those with more money than sense. Makes me wonder if there is a way to protect the artist and maker from reproduction as well. I remember the big stew over cassette decks when they first arrived. And that first file sharing thing, was it Napster? Aren't some movies protected from being copied? But I digress. And clearly mine is an uniformed guess.
    Cheers
    Edit: Oops, sorry Mike.

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    That's an interesting post about the sale of cds, but I can't help wondering if you have mixed me up with someone else! My only comment on the sale of Dave's Picks was thinking that if they don't sell out quickly, then it's not so good, and that in this case it might mean we have had a surfeit of 1977 shows.
    That's a shocking figure, 50% of subscribers being people who buy to sell on in the first ten years. Screws everything up, I would say. But it's not something I usually think about.

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    ....banking points re give and take with ones life partner.
    And a happy wife is not an oxymoron.
    My wife got on me about concerts. She wants to raise chickens.
    So, we bought a coop. And the chicks need a ticket to enter it lol.
    Obligatory thank you to Dennis for the LP on LP dl's.

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    I respectfully disagree with your assessment Daverock but I am curious what your rebuttal would be to the situation I presented. What I want (tons of releases all year long) and what is realistic are two different things. I am a CD store owner and keep a very close eye on what's going on with eBay. As I indicated, there is some guesswork without knowing the specifics of the Rhino deal with the Dead or the budget they have to work with from quarter to quarter.

    What I do know is the sales history and sellout rate going back to Rhino's deal to distribute Grateful Dead. First was the Download Series - it was short lived. Why? It either failed because of file transfers between fans, which undercut sales. Or it was a pilot program to gage interest in the Grateful Dead so they could determine how many CDs to manufacture for each release in what would become the Road Trips series.

    Road Trips failed. It was not Limited Edition. Some will argue it failed because it sold partial shows, but in reality, they course course corrected on that quickly, and I think at least half were complete shows, mostly in the last half of the 4 year Road Trips program. Incomplete shows is not a good argument for the rebranding to Dave's Picks. We do know some things about Road Trips: 1) It failed or they would not have changed their business model to Limited Edition. 2) We also know if failed because they had stock on the shelves long after the program ended. Old stock of original pressings on CD / Record Store shelves is the kiss of death. This is why record stores were allowed to return LPs and CDs after initial shipments. That's how distribution to outlets works. Back in the day, Tower Records agrees to buy a huge number of U2's current release so they can sell it faster and cheaper, which ultimately led to more floor traffic in their store and lower prices. But this model relied on bulk purchasing, which required cash. Stores therefore had an "out" written into their deal, which allowed them to return unsold quantities to Distributers. Trust me when I tell you that turnaround is the main objective for small operations, since there is nobody to return these CDs to. They have their own private "thing" going on here with the Dead and other "expired" artists. Yes they have a large parent company and Rhino itself is nothing to shake a stick at but all of these little divisions still operating budgets and fiscal goals that need to be met, and these get reviewed quarterly in most companies. Road Trips did not survive the "mystery pressing" sales model (meaning we don't know how many CDs they pressed for Road Trips).

    3) Dave's Picks - Limited Edition + Subscription = success. They front-load their sales with subscriptions and sell what's left over. But there is motivation for buyers to subscribe. They save money, they get a bonus disc, and they don't have to worry about missing a release. But look at the small, safe numbers they started with. 12K per release. 48K a year. In steps the resellers. We have no idea how many sales go to resellers, but I would guess 50% of subscriptions went to resellers in the first 10 years of the Dave's Picks program. I've spoken to many of them. Some buy up to 100 units. Rhino does not allow this, but they have they're methods for working around the system. Keep in mind, for eBay seller selling a recent Dave's Picks, he has another copy of the same CD lined up to sell next. In other words, you can't just count the number of Dave's Picks CDs currently on sale. You have to assume most of them have several copies.

    The eBay box set and Dave's Picks reseller's bread and butter is the limited edition AND limited pressing model that Rhino took toward the business. It allowed resellers to hog up the merchandise like Harrison's little piggies and mark up the price. Same thing that's going on with concert tickets, except the home business entrepreneur can get a slice of this pie, because CDs are relatively inexpensive next to concert tickets, and relatively profitable if you can get away with a 50 to 70% mark up. But as I said in my previous post, THE EBAY BUBBLE HAS BURST. The casual go-getter can't get a piece of this market anymore. It's been on the decline for a few years as the Dave's Picks numbers increased in manufacturing, but more to the point, which you might have overlooked Daverock, is the massive increase in taxes and other fees that eBay sellers have to accept. They can no longer NOT pay the IRS. eBay reports their earnings to the IRS for anything over $600 starting this year, in the way of a 1099-K (and anyone looking to make money on ebay selling Grateful Dead CDs is Grossing more than $600).

    The US tax brackets are higher than a few years ago now too. As I stated in my last post, there is simply no money to be made by peddling Grateful Dead CDs on eBay anymore. Where they used to enjoy at least100% profit on the worst selling Dave's picks, maybe 300% profit on average demand Dave's Picks, and up to 600 - 1000% (or more) on the real hum-dingers, they're completely out in the cold now, because they've gone from paying a measly 13% in sellers fees (which they could get away with making back by bumping the CD price up $10 -$15) to 50% in most cases, depending on your tax bracket). And the CDs are no longer in demand, because of the growth / competition of eBay sellers, and the production increase up to 25K now for each Dave's Picks release. They'll be lucky to break even. The bubble burst and we're seeing it now. I also stated it wouldn't impact us overnight, but we'll see production numbers begin to decrease, and maybe an increase in time between box sets. I don't think it's a coincidence that the early bird pricing was extended this year (it may have been the subscription availability in general, I don't recall). One could also argue (and some have) that the demand for the Dead is going down (at least for 1977). This is natural I think, because so much is already available.

    I don't want this any more than any of us. I love all the new releases I can get. But I truly believe a large number of subscriptions were going to resellers, and resellers are leaving this market.

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    A case of “Happy wife, Happy life”, gents. Points banked come in handy.

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    I must be fairly open minded musically, because I occasionally get comments like:
    “That sounds like suicide music”
    “That makes me want to stick pins in my eyes”
    “What the hell is that??”
    “You’re making me ill “

    S’okay, because I like what I like, and I don’t care if anyone else likes it. I heard a person say to me “you have to see opera Live, to get the beauty of it”. Personally, the vocals are difficult for me to take. Really not big on that Northern European Death Metal either, with all of the low, growling voices that muddle the lyrics.
    And yet, give me 20 minutes of pure cacophony, I’ll love it!!
    It’s a fools errand to tear down something that others like, because the coin has 2 sides.
    Live and let Listen!!

    Now, back to my Henry Franklin “ TheSkipper At Home” album.
    Go 49ers.

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What a setlist!... Made me jealous of those who saw this era live. Great sound… like ‘77 was yesterday. @derekb192 on 10/1/77, YouTube

Wow! Just as when you think eyes is gonna go to drums out of the bliss comes dancing! One of my all time fave moments! Not just classic 77 but classic ever dead! - @emrysdavies1215 on 10/1/77, YouTube

...this show was off the hook from the very get go. The Casey Jones is the best I've heard... beginning a jam that goes through each member going off on an instrumental solo. The end has them jamming so hard you can no longer hear them singing through it. Now you know you're in trouble (The Good Kind) when a show starts like that... Weirtheir on 10/2/77, Dead.net

Holy hell, the 10/2/77 Betty Board sounds incredible... I just wanted to pay homage to this unreleased gem, which features the lovely, tight playing you'd expect of a 77 show with some of the highest audio quality I've ever heard ... What a treat. u/monsteroftheweek13 on 10/2/77, Reddit

I told my mother I was going into Portland with friends. I never told her where I went... @jamesmoore3694 on 10/1/77, YouTube

We know where you've been and we're taking you back with the twice as nice DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 45: PARAMOUNT THEATRE, PORTLAND, OR - 10/1/77 & 10/2/77. Back-to-back complete previously unreleased shows on 4CDs? You betcha! Why? Because we couldn't pick one over the other of these two nights that have been described as "fire," "mind-frying," and "crispy" (bit of a theme here) too many times to count. Witness it for yourself when you dig into the inventive medleys and pristine sound, not to mention the first "Dupree's Diamond Blues" since '69 and the first live "Casey Jones" since '74.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson (with a boost from Bob Menke, more about that in David's video) and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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....site is up. Lottery currently underway.
psst.....Buffalo is the better show.

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Just checked, you can order it again. Don't know how they manage inventory...

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I wonder why they never did a 50th anniversary release for Live Dead, one of their greatest albums.

Can't believe it's 50 years.
Privileged enough to see and hear him twice during Europe 72., my first Dead shows.
First was Wembley 8th April. I was amazed how thin an frail he looked, but the voice was still there and we got Mr Charlie, Next Time, Good Lovin', Hurts Me Too and Caution.
Next up was Bickershaw Festival on 7th May. This is widely regarded as the set they should have played at Woodstock. It was wet, it was cold, it was magnificent.
Pigpen sang Mr Charlie, Chinatown Shuffle, Next Time, Big Boss Man, and a quite wonderful Lovelight.
On a very personal note I turned 18 on May 8th. Despite coming on at 19.30 on the 7th they were still playing at midnight and they were playing Lovelight. Talk about a dream come true!

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Good luck in your quest for Cornell tickets.

I was having a bad day until I looked at the prices for tickets and hotel packages. I got a pretty good chuckle out of it.

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Your answer is in the email:

“CORNELL 5LP set and a handful of MAY 1977: GET SHOWN THE LIGHT (ALL MUSIC EDITION) 11CD sets that we recently unearthed at the warehouse.”

They don’t have very good warehouse management skills.
Similar happened several years ago but I don’t remember what release it was.

Maybe DaP45 is in fact sold out but they don’t realize it.

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Got our tickets today for Dark Side of the Mule at Red Rocks. For those not in the know (assuming one cares), Google it. Jason Bonham's Led Zeppelin Experience opening. I saw Warren the last time he brought the Dark Side to the Rocks and it was fucking fantastic, inasmuch as I can remember. We had a pow-wow in the parking lot up top. My friend has a handicapped parking pass, and they waived our car into a coned off area as we broke out the camping chairs and coolers. Bruce brought THC infused vodka jello shots... I distinctly remember sitting in the sun with my car trunk open, blasting Aerosmith's "Toys in the Attic" followed by Zeppelin's best of "Mothership."

It felt like high school... we were fucked up and riotous. One thing about the crowds at Red Rocks, I swear to God it is always the friendliest bunch of people you'll ever meet. Like, everyone is kind.

I'm sick tired of getting fucked over by TicketBastard for these shows. Today, I hit back. I don't mind sharing this. I was at work and I fired up three different computers and opened both Chrome and Edge on them all, so I had six browsers open and got them all into the waiting room. The room where I usually go to die... I missed Tom Petty's last tour due to this evil! Anyway, there was a limit of 4 tickets per purchase and we have five going including two flying in from California so I could not fuck this up. I got in for four in Row 27 and then again for one more in Row 25.

I feel truly blessed. The 3rd best concert ticket buying experience of my life, after drawing spot #2 in line outside Macy's for Rolling Stones tickets in the mid 90s, and showing up with beers and joints in front of a Colorado Springs music store at 4am prior to SRV's final tour with Joe Cocker. We were first.

Last 5:

ELO - The Essential Electric Light Orchestra
Elvis Presley - Elvis: 30 #1 Hits
Mark Lanegan - The Winding Sheet
Apocalypse Now - Soundtrack, 1979
AC/DC - Powerage

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If they "found" new inventory now, why are they a pre order with a May shipping date? Don't you think TPTB would want to get rid of the remaining stock, immediately? it just doesn't add up to me.

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Maybe they are trying to cover up their mistake by pretending it's something new, which you have to pre-order so you don't miss out. It's the Holy Grail of Dead shows now, according to the blurb.

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I read that as them saying the Get Shown the Light was the "found inventory" not the vinyl. But it doesn't really explain why they thought to press more vinyl of Cornell. Wasn't that a limited numbered one when last put out?
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It would be great if they came up with a bunch of copies of the Fillmore West Box set that were stashed away in the whearhouse, now that would be something..

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Billythekid, I wish too some more copies were available. I missed out on that one. Resale prices are just too rich for my blood.

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Buy the records of of the FW box set, if you have a turn table, (I dont), but I would go out and buy one just to get that music. You can still get all the records brand new at reasonable prices. I Ibought the box when it first came out, 2 copies, one for me and one for.my brother. I also have bought the records even without a turntable.

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OK, let's talk conspiracies. We know that: a) the current DaP isn't selling very well, and b) Rhino suddenly discovers more copies of the very popular May 77 box and puts 'em on sale, AND c) out of the clear blue sky they also suddenly decide to reissue the very popular Cornell vinyl.

Coincidence, you say? Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. I could tell you more, but then I'd have to kill you.

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This sudden deluge of 77 items has prompted me to go and watch some episodes of 77 Sunset Strip. Maybe it's great, maybe not - when the series originally aired I was too young to decide objectively if it was awesome or crap.

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41 million albums vs 33 million CD’s.

Although streaming makes up 84% of revenue.

As for me, I’m going to keep buying GD CD’s from Rhino and maybe a little vinyl here and there.
No need for streaming.

....promised to make tickets affordable to fans. Albeit, they will be non-transferable according to what I read.
Last Five....
The Cure - Wish
Trey & Page - January
Day Of The Dead Compilation - discs 1 & 2 (I count that as one).
Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses
Widespread Panic - Ball

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Producer for Husker Du and others

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Joy Division unknown pleasures
JD closer
Megadeth rust in peace
Clash london calling
Motorhead inferno
Funkytown
Double Dutch Bus
Archies sugar sugar
Big Country big country
Men Without Hats safety dance
Come on, Eileen

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Pink Floyd-The Endless River
David Gilmour-About Face
Pink Floyd-The Final Cut
McCoy Tyner-Sahara
GD-Dave’s Picks Vol. 11

That’s all I got…

…Music is the Best!!

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Interesting article in Business Insider about MG and her new memoir. Great pix, too.
Google MG and memoir.

I see you posted The Cure's Wish as a last 5.

Do they come any better then "From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea"?

The man can sing "hurt" better than anyone else.

"Slips her dress like a flag to the floor, And hands in the sky surrenders it all"

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Cream
My virgin listens to Fresh Cream and Wheels of Fire

Also
Last evening on PBS nitty gritty dirt band in nashville
Covering a bunch of bob dylan and other stuff
A very pleasant surprise

Yes I searched and searched for MG's book, I don't think it has been published yet. That was kind of suggested in the article when she was reading from her pages from a box. I also came across the book "Mountain Girl" which has nothing to do with MG.

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Mention of "Wheels Of Fire" always puts me in mind of it's stunning cover by Martin Sharp. It's worth getting both this and "Disraeli Gears" on vinyl so you get the full effect of the visuals.

So all the parties are generally held the weekend before March 17. I can always go for some traditional Irish music, especially if it’s sung by Iarla ó lionáird. So after a nice first set of Gaelic songs, the band returns and opens with a Bertha into a Shakedown to the bewilderment of the revelers. Nice.

Thank you for the heads up on the 3/1/69 vinyl. I grabbed a copy at a very reasonable price and hope to enjoy it whenever I get around to purchasing a turntable.

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Feedback. I was also listening to the first set on Dave's 35. Pretty hot.

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That's a great late period album by The Electric Prunes. The 60's with attitude. Another unexpectedly great late period release by an original psych band is "Wake Up Where You Are" by The Strawberry Alarm Clock, which again came out this century some time.

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Seems Floyd releasing a live Dark Side (Wembley Pool).

Order cd and lp.

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Should be a good one for those having difficulty sleeping. Only jesting - "Wish You Were Here" would be better for that.

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What a blast! Along with Nappy, Nite Cat, and my brother Cousins, we all had a knockout of a weekend, entertainment provided by the Good ole Grateful Dead. Of course they did Friend of The Devil. Wow, 41 years ago, where does the time go.

It's a shame they didn't release the whole show, instead of just the run through "Dark Side of the Moon". They opened with "Shine On.." then played "Raving and Drooling" ( Sheep on "Animals") and "You Gotta Be Crazy" ( Dogs on "Animals") Then "Dark Side of The Moon", with "Echoes" for the encore.
"Echoes" from this show ( I think) was included in the Early Years box - the final section called "Continu/ation 1967-1972". But it will cost you - I don't think you can buy that without getting the whole box. Why it was included there, out of it's timespan, is a bit of a mystery.

Makes no sense why they release half the show. Was surprised about that Echoes, I had forgotten there was more cds in the actual box than the individual sets, which is what I went for and finally completed 18 months ago. I guess since I had first been gifted an mp3 copy, I never noticed the missing music the way the damn things are laid out. It has to be one of the most confusingly tracked and labeled box sets ever. The first run of boxes included a hidden 5.1 Meddle mix that was scrapped last minute as they hadn't let Roger Waters hear the mix yet. Then they screwed up and put a 2016 cd remix of Live at Pompeii in instead of the planned 2016 remix of Obscured by Clouds. Luckily, the 1972 individual box contains both, however, sadly, they cottoned on to the hidden Meddle, and subsequent boxes were bereft of this still unreleased, officially, epic mix of some incredible music. There is a 1971 quadrophonic mix of Echoes on the DVD/BluRay. Can never have enough Echoes. Never. Or Raving and Drooling and You Gotta Be Crazy and Shine On...

I am not looking forward to Roger Waters's reconceptualization of Dark Side, complete with spoken word over On the Run and Great Gig and Any Colour You Like apparently. He also plays an instrument on just one track on it, so one has to wonder why in the hell he's re-recorded it, if he didn't really re-record it? I get petty band relationships, but the feud between Waters and Gilmour is childish, and maybe that's the problem, they've known each other since they were kids before any bands to even join.

Though, I am looking very much forward to Peter Gabriel (and Tony Levin) in seven short months' time in Boston. That will be a hoot, I am sure. I think it was Vguy that alerted me to the tour announcement a week ago, thanks for that. My wife will thank you in seven months, for now she's skeptical.

Edited to add: I forgot that I did a search on The Early Years Box because of my having forgotten that last little bit Continu/ation, and on Amazon right now, there are 12 copies available new at $363. Don't know why, or for how long, but thought I'd pass that along. For frame of reference, it was $550 on release.

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I assume that it’s the same recording that was on CD2 of the recently released DSOTM reissue.

I passed on the Early Years Box but got the individual mini Boxes for half the price (at that time). I figured that I could pass on the bonus Box since I didn’t need the two movies and already had the Echoes. Just went to Wikipedia to see what else was in that bonus Box and the article mentioned that some of the Blu-ray’s from the whole Box were defective and there was a recall from 2019-2020. Hope mine aren’t bad now, guess I’ll have to watch them all to check. Put that on the to do list.

David and Roger fighting.
DLR and Eddie VH fighting.
Inflated egos ruining good bands.

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Alvarhanaso - you probably know - I had forgotten yesterday - but the first three tracks from the Wembley 1974 show, "Shine On.." "Raving and "Drooling" and "You Gotta Be Crazy" were included in the second disc of the "Wish You Were Here" set that came out a few years ago. Which does make this new "Dark Side" live portion that's coming out a bit more desirable, as it's possible for me to piece together the whole show.

My copy of "Early Years" included a cd of "Live at Pompeii" but not "Obscured By Clouds". I contacted "the authorities", and they sent me a cd of " Obscured Through Clouds." I didn't get the new mix of "Meddle" - though it occurs to me that if it's hidden, I may have it somewhere and not know about it.
The other anomaly with this box is that the film "La Vallee" ( Obscured By Clouds) is in French with no sub titles.

CNKD -the best thing about the Contin/uation set for me are the 10 BBC recordings from September and December 1967, with Syd Barrett still at the helm. The September set includes "Set The Controls For The Heart of The Sun" - which is great to have even if it is only about 3 minutes long. It's not that well recorded - it sounds as though someone taped it off a small mono radio by holding a microphone in front of the speaker. But what the heck.
I also like the alternative promo film for "Arnold Layne". But if you aren't that fussed about the Syd era, it's probably not worth getting. It's a long way, for better or worse, from the Dave Gilmour lineup of the band.

That re-recorded version of DSOTM you, mentioned , Alvarhanso, by Roger Waters sounds a bit of a travesty to me. Maybe he thinks of it as more of a solo album than one by Pink Floyd .

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In my Pink Floyd folder, shows. I have two shows from "Wembley". 11/15/74 and 11/16/74. One is labeled Wembley Stadium and the other is "Wembley Empire Pool".

Are these the same place or two different venues?

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