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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    Ok, back to Europe

    Hit 5/7, 5/10, and 5/11 this WE. Of course I’ve forgotten the finer points and things I wanted to say, but I’ve not wanted to be overly analytical, or get distracted with notes, and instead, just get right, relax, and try to enjoy them. (Which has not been hard ; )
    5/7 is just too much! It’s not always the most precise or perfect of the tour, but that’s because it’s a freight train on steroids!
    I’ve always preferred full steam ahead Dead even when that leads to more worts, not that this one has many, perhaps just a few more noticeable than some of the more reserved, precise (hey, they were trying to make an album) shows.
    Actually, I think the album factor is one reason this tour is so good. They’re in a place where they’re ontop of their game and can let it rip, but keeping it just enough under raps to keep the consistency high for recording purposes.
    Win win, but 5/7 seems more about the live gig, the large miserable crowd that seems to really appreciate the effort etc, more than playing it straight for the tape machine?
    Choo Choo, all aboard! what a beast! Garcia starts out in 5th gear and doesn’t let up for almost 4 hours!
    Dark Star AND an Other One! Full on grease fest with six beauties, including a nice LL that fits the format better than going on too long, and a nice unusual Segway into GDTRFB. Clearly they were enjoying themselves in spite of the conditions? They joke about blowing the big ones, but not this time bubba!
    I’ve had this one so have heard it several times, but it was a real treat to sit outside in a warm but not super hot day and just groove on this one!
    Yesterday I hit 5/10 for the first time and unfortunately didn’t get quite the best listen, at least to the later parts.
    But I did enjoy it, even if it was perhaps a little more laid back than 5/7 etc. Hey they all can’t be rocket ships lol.
    The word that kept coming to me was Smooth…this show seemed smooth. They’re gelling as a unit so well by now, and the consistency is so good. Sure there’s a miscue or clam every once in awhile, (I dare you to find a show that there isn’t ; ) but the overall tightness, energy, musicianship is truly better or on par with any tour they ever did!
    Of course there’s the sweet He’s Gone they finally got right, and why it’s the one! Another Sing me as they’ve worked that one in the repertoire nicely. And if I remember correctly, this had another of those unusual Other Ones, kinda jazzy perhaps and similar to 4/16? Unfortunately this one’s a blur for various reasons including hitting 5/11 afterwards. I’ll definitely want to rehit this, 5/3, and the Wembleys after the tour…but for now I want to go in order…
    Ok, 5/11, this one for whatever reason has always been perhaps my favorite?
    Not saying it’s the best show of the tour, just for whatever reasons perhaps my favorite?
    Certainly the set list is part of it: Nice Playing if not huge opener, plenty o grease, including a cool and final Caution, with final WHO Do You Love tease, Nice Truckin ender to mix it up, and a very cool, perhaps unusual Dark Star!
    Maybe it’s just because I think this might have been the first ala cart show I bought when I hand to the head realized what I was missing not having these Dark Stars? (Now realizing same about the cool spacey TOO’s)
    Other One can get real repetitive but these ones are often very diverse and different! The weirder the better I say!
    Whatever the reasons, this show, even after taking the tour plunge, still resonates very strong for me? Hey, I even think the cover art might be my fav? Ok, maybe I’ll hit it again streaming while working, before moving onto 5/13 and 5/16, both I’ve never heard yet, so hoping I’ll get to spend some extra time with em during the week…
    ONWARD! Ok, who stole my Heineken Dark?

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    That’s all I ment.
    Everyone’s made good points, and there’s no easy answer.
    I was going for a conversation starter more than just to editorialize.
    Like most things, no easy answers.
    It’s just now that I’m all addicted to this collecting nonsense, I need as many RJ shows as they’ll give us, and I’m afraid things are going to start slowing down, and eventually it won’t be worth it to them, and so many great shows will never get fixed up and released. And don’t you worry 1stshow ole buddy, there’s still plenty of RJ shows in the vault.
    As a rabid nut trying to tag as many of em as I can before I croak, I’m here to tell ya there’s plenty of gold left in them there hills! Yes many are cassette, but the gang has been getting better and better every year at fixing em up!
    And, there’s still lots of DATs and still a decent amount of killer multitracks, all just rotting in the vault!

    I totally get what yer saying, but think of it this way: suppose the summer 78 box was never released and only a couple others from that year. If they came out and said “this is your one chance to get the 20 best of 78”, including those shows in the July box, would you not find some way to get it? For sure, not everyone is going to want all of em, but I think you’d be able to scrape up at least 10k folks who would want at least one or 2?
    Really they should be digitizing them all, or at least the top 20 or 30 from each year that haven’t been released, and have a system where they announce a certain number, or block at a time, and do pre orders, to have inventory control.
    Some shows might sell big, some not so much. Perhaps have a rule that shows that don’t meet a certain threshold won’t get released?
    I guess the solution would involve somehow having a cost effective way to prep them, but pre order so you don’t always have to have such big sales numbers for every show? Perhaps DL like you say, but that hasn’t worked so well, so far anyway…
    Again, no easy answers, and I totally understand other pov. I just would hate to see so much good music not get the treatment it deserves. And yeah, the archive is awesome, but there’s nothing like getting a great show that’s been fully fixed/Normaned!

    Hey DV, where ya been hiding? Good to see ya, and sorry, I won’t mention you know who. It has got to be really tough being a fan. It’d be one thing if they just stunk, but they have potential, if only they could stop beating themselves.
    A well, it’s early still…

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    Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
    It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
    Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

    There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
    Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

    Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.

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    I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
    Cheers
    Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.

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    Y’all are missing the point…

    I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
    I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
    Their not going to do this forever!!!
    For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
    With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
    There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
    My plan,
    25 for primal 67-70
    15 for 71
    20 for 72
    20 for 73 (at least!
    ? 74 might just be mostly scraps
    20? for 76? Maybe
    77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
    20 for 78
    20 for 79 and 80
    20 for 81 & 82
    20 for 83 & 84
    20 for 85 & 86
    20 for 87 & 88
    20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
    90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
    20 for 91 & 92
    20 for 93-95
    These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
    Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
    You could still make them “limited”…
    Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

    Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

    And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
    But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
    Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
    Tic toc…

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    Yes, next year hopefully - vinyl too. Bit of leisure wear to listen to it in. Nice.

    Mini boxes score where you might not want 17 shows or whatever. I wouldn't mind a few shows from Europe 1990, having attended the London ones - but I'm not sure I would want the whole lot !

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    Winterland Oct 74 Box, and we need more releases Dave/Rhino

    Hopefully it’s moving into production soon so that we get it for the 50th anniversary next year.
    With all the video included.

    I’ll take mini-Boxes.
    3-show mini-Boxes, released once every other month, and not during a month where a DaP is released. Thus, the DaP’s and mini-Boxes would give us a release 10 months out of the year. The other 2 months would be RSD and Black Friday RSD.
    Sounds like a grate plan to me.

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    Agree..

    Can anyone tell me why we did not get a Winterland '74 Box Set? The box design would, of course, been a mini Wall of Sound.

    Wars have been fought for less.

    Oh, the horror.

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    Would you like yours in a mini or mega? 1972, 1977, 1978 still ripe for the picking. Added together that equals mega I'd say. Taken alone some fine mini ones there. I think there's a New Year's 1971 available yet to add...

    P.S. Currently spinning the space jam from 10-18-1978

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    Stuck in the mud…

    Made through 5/4 and sorta first run of 5/7 (on crappy device while working) But got bogged down this week with mucho fuckery and distractions so lost my pace and mojo, hoping I can catch up this WE…
    ONWARD!

    NO MORE MINI BOXES!
    Every piddly little release is one less possible future box! Like most things there’s only so many, nothing lasts as the pranksters say…
    We’re running outta time so we need huge boxes with the best remaining 20 shows from each year.
    Perhaps more from years they’ve been stingy or ignored.
    This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco, this ain’t no foolin around…
    Seriously, sales are flat, saturation for some has set in, old heads don’t want any newer stuff and/or are dying off etc, yeah, this could all go away sooner than later. We need to demand more output for the faithful, and stop worrying about the picky folks who only buy limited things. I totally understand not buying things you won’t use, but if we don’t support these releases, eventually, they’ll just stop!!
    They need to quit dicking around, otherwise,…..Smithers, release the hounds, it’s time to quit screwing around and storm the vault! Where the hell is Keithfan anyway? Thought he was getting close? Hear sound of foot tapping…AND,
    Hey Mickey, what happened to “everything’s going to get digitized and you’ll be able to order almost any show” (paraphrasing).

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by bluecrow on Sun, 04/16/2023 - 05:26

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DL has the post-drumz section on this week's Tapers Section, with Believe It or Not in the ballad slot. I'm not familiar with any of the mid-summer West Coast '88 shows and this slice sounded really fine. When I've got more time will head back to the whole show. Also this week has the '74 Dark Star from the International Amphitheater, a personal favorite. Enjoy the rest of the weekend folks.

Sounds good Bluecrow. Will definitely have time for this one today.

I am pretty sure we will get some sort of announcement this week.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Mon, 04/17/2023 - 04:16

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Right on BC, we are indeed getting some tasty official clips recently, aren't we? 8-1-73, too on JOTW....

I wore the heck out of my XLII S tape of 7-31-88 especially because it was a 1st gen DAT to cassette transfer and was so delightfully crispy...7-29 has that complete PITB officially enshrined on the SMR compilation, 7-30 tends to be the one I've not tapped into yet...

I still have 4-14-71 set for a headphone listen and, since it's been a while, the legendary Princeton Rap will be on deck after a revisit to Monterey California 1988.

P.S. Not Robotic

Really fun show - glad to finally hear that and whets my appetite to hear other 2 shows plus those from the Greek previous week. WTJ - did not realize the Playing was from SMR box (don't own) but listening to it last night I was like damn this one is pretty crazy and then it came back to the reprise! Jerry also went off on the Deal! Greek and LS had the West Coast debuts for all those songs like Foolish Heart that they broke out in the Midwest a few weeks earlier. Like i mentioned, the post drumz segment is really fine - Wheel > Gimme Some Lovin > Believe It Or Not . Sugar Magnolia

Went with the Miller SBD - sounds very fine but still a couple gens from the masters. Be aware that the track listing is off after Set I with a crowd noise > Black Muddy River encore dropped in before Set II but not reflected in the track listing (a not uncommon problem I've found.) Phil is solid in the mix and aggressive in his playing.

and, keep your cool, Dave is serving up some Vancouver '66 as the first clip on this weeks Tapers.

gotta head down to the mine . . . . have a good week folks.

Enjoyed the show Bluecrow. Recording is good, has it moments as you stated. I like the IKo IKo start, nice Queen Jane. Interesting China-Crazy Fingers-Rider, can't remember a sequence like that. That Playing was funky. Thanks BC.

Announcement tomorrow?

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Tue, 04/18/2023 - 03:04

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Good morning, fellow rockers!!!

Pick Of The Day: Purdue University April 18 1969

I want to go ahead of Father Time with a scythe of my own…..

There were many fine shows in April 1969, all of which get substantial love and respect. So instead of discussing those, let’s try something a little different………….

Greasy Hard To Handle to open, followed by a powerful Dew, after which the band dives deep into a raucous CE/TOO/CE suite, exiting seamlessly into Sittin’ On Top Of the World. The wonderful wired weirdness continues with King Bee, Doin’ That Rag, Lovelight (27:27), and Cosmic Charlie. The Dead then close out the festivities with Beat It On Down The Line—an unusual occurrence in 1969, or any other year…………..

Miller’s remaster is very decent and worthy of a listen……….

Beauty is in the heart of the beholder….

Rock on!

Doc
After people have repeated a phrase a great number of times, they begin to realize it has meaning and may even be true......

I was able to get a headphone listen in yesterday, something I do when I want a closer listen and am not in a position to play it loud on a stereo. Soundboard could use some professional cleaning up but was decent if not a little distorted at times. I would call it a good, solid show but not with many moments that stood out more brightly than others. A show like this would be a swell addition to an April 1971 boxed boxy box set.

Anyway, I have a lot on the table with 7-29-88 I wanted to check out and 4-17-71 which I haven't listened to in forever and is a classic. Looking forward to more FUN picks.

Maybe we can do this Day in Grateful Dead history as an alternate for POT Day when we are in line for extra credit?

Here's some Grateful Dead you HAVE to hear!!! 8-14-81 is a permutation...(not calling it, but you see what I did there)

:-) :-) :-) Have a Grateful Day

P.S. Not a Robot

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 04/19/2023 - 06:40

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I am convinced this show is being saved as the centerpiece of an April 71 box, or series of boxes. It has x factor. What exactly remains from April, a lot is my back of the napkin.

The start of set II on 4-17 is sui generis and all of set I is on target. I am in the return jam after the drum solo in Good Lovin right now and I am going to stay tuned in. It has been a while for me on this one but it is a known classic.

Stay Grateful all :-)

-edit- Sold! Brooklyn Bridge for a buck and a quarter. What more you want for a buck and a quarter? :-)
-edit 2- Backing vocals in SMBH, is that Weir on falsetto?

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Thu, 04/20/2023 - 03:51

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To me, music is that which connects human hearts, it is something that takes you to unknown levels...........

Day off, up too early, walked dogs, not enough coffee, let's roll!!!

Providence Civic Center, April 20, 1983. The first of five shows we saw on the tour, and after the fine Boston show in the Fall of 82, the first tour where we really worked hard to see more than one show. Were parts of New Haven and Philly better, musically speaking? Maybe. As I recall, Providence was tons of fun and a fine show.........

A Cumberland that maybe even JimInMD could love. Fine China/Rider to close the first set. Esau---new to us but enjoyable---to open the second set. Ho hum, another Estimated/Eyes. And Morning Dew. I never saw a Star but I caught lots of Dews and enjoyed them all..............

Miller's remaster has some glitches and patches, but overall listenable and worthy.........

Not all the 80s were bad, in fact we saw lots of fun shows and even a couple of classics..........so.......

Rock on!!

Doc
Music is the expression of the movement of the waters, the play of curves described by changing breezes......

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Thu, 04/20/2023 - 04:09

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Has WilfredTJones fallen into the 1971 rabbit hole? Sir, what's gotten into you?!!!

Some people never go crazy, what truly horrible lives they must live.....

Rock on, more coffee,

Doc
I've been so busy I haven't had a chance to go crazy..........

it's a good day to have the day off! Happy 420 to all. Been traveling, catching up now. Looking forward to 46.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 04/21/2023 - 01:26

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Day late, but 4/20/83, now you're speaking my language. mmmmmmmmmmmmm...coffee. ;-)

-edit- It's been a while since I listened to 4/8/71 Boston, so I was thinking about hitting that big one if possible after 4/20. April '71 has been nice, but I've only done 4/14 and 4/17, with 4/17 getting the big nod from me.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 04/21/2023 - 04:31

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Hey rockers!!

Dare I mention Providence 1971? No, let's wait until next year...................

Although it is super crunchy!!!

Here is your throat back, thanks for the loan.................

Rock on!

Doc
You should be made to wear earphones

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 04/21/2023 - 05:46

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It's been a holiday as far back as I can remember.

Which was yesterday.................

A good memory is one trained to forget the trivial............

Rock on,

Doc
A retentive memory may be a good thing, but the ability to forget is the true token of greatness......

4/19 just rolled on by - thought I might go with Dave's 20, 12/9/81 Boulder, which had cover art that referenced that momentous occasion. Not sure if its been a POTD anytime halfway recent. Doesn't seem to get much love as a release. I saw the Rosemont show 3 nights earlier with that gorgeous To Lay Me Down. High school buddy was at Boulder and he loved it. Remember getting a letter from him a few weeks later, written as he listened to a tape of the show with a big old smoking crater Other One.

4/20/83 was a fun listen. Will revisit.

Have a great weekend folks. With the hockey playoffs underway, and as a lifelong Blackhawks fan, all I gotta say is Go Cubs!!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 04/21/2023 - 17:26

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Hey BC, #20 is a great release and I believe I offered it up a couple years ago. Would love to listen to it again. Let's do it.

Gave 4/20/83 a listen. Good show. Recording was in the decent range.

Minnesota's old team, Dallas at the Wild tonight in St. Paul, and still cold as hell here.

Hope you are all enjoying some warm weather.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sat, 04/22/2023 - 02:31

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I hear there's a great Ollin Arageed Space>Shakedown from Fall 78, I'm not sure which show that is yet, 11/13/78?, 11/23/78?

Anyway, Happy Weekend! Stay Grateful :-)

-edit- Checking out the new Moskel Audience transfer of 11/23/78, the show before the well-known FM 11/24/78. Someone calls out for St. Stephen in the first set. Donna is in fine voice on the Looks Like Rain. May save set II for tomorrow, but that set II looks like a doozy... ;-)

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 04/23/2023 - 04:00

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Set II Samson for a Sunday, Rare set II FOTD (for a Sunday), Dancin' is catching fire on the AUD tape, eliciting a hearty East Coast cheer - we'll see what the rest of the evening brings.... ;-)

Nothing left to do but :-) :-) :-)

-edit- Oh, there's a Joani Walker. I just have to see how it compares, because the Moskal has been grate so far on a headphone listen. The East Coast crowd is psyched...traversing the drum solo now, on the way to.... :-)

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 04/23/2023 - 17:05

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I think there were a few set II versions. One from Cleveland in March of 81 comes to mind. Maybe I'll tune into that or sleuth out some more just for fun.

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Submitted by JeffSmith on Mon, 04/24/2023 - 10:42

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Perversely fascinating intrusions, but thanks for the quick boot! Sheesh.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Mon, 04/24/2023 - 10:45

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I was getting creeped out.
Cheers to Marye

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 04/24/2023 - 16:56

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Well done Mary.

Looking at 3/21/90 for tomorrow. Copps Hamilton.

Any shipping notifications out there yet?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 04/24/2023 - 22:14

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My guess is 12/30/78. I am not seeing those songs played in the order listed, the second set comes pretty close here and the Space/Ollin Arrageed is indeed out there.

Set 2:
I Need A Miracle
Bertha
Good Lovin'
Scarlet Begonias
Fire On The Mountain
Playin' In The Band
Shakedown Street
Drums
Ollin Arrageed
St. Stephen
Not Fade Away
Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad
Around And Around

Sure glad they got the spam thing tamed.. We Don't Need No More Trouble.....Trouble we don't need.

Check it out, 11/23/1978 Capital Centre in Landover, MD. Really nice little Thanksgiving show. It was on a Thursday and Bob wishing the Audience and crew a happy Thanksgiving before the encore.

I went through it with the Moskal source and wasn't disappointed except the cut at the end of Playing into Around. The Joani Walker is complete and does not cut.

Have a Grateful Day all. :-)

Setlist
Mississippi Half-Step
Franklin's Tower
New Minglewood Blues
Stagger Lee
Looks Like Rain
Tennessee Jed
Passenger
Brown Eyed Women
Music Never Stopped

Samson and Delilah
Friend of the Devil
Dancin' in the Streets
Terrapin Station
Playin' in the Band
drums (Ollin Arageed Space)
Shakedown Street
Playin' in the Band
Around and Around

U.S. Blues

P.S. They were jamming on Ollin Arageed out of drums quite a bit in 78 especially in Nov./Dec.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Tue, 04/25/2023 - 01:50

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Hey rockers!!!

If you haven't listened to April 25, 1971, then get crunchy!!!

You will find truth more quickly through delight than gravity. Let out a little more string on your kite......

Rock on,

Doc
I'm so down to earth, I'm bringing gravity back.......

about 3-21-90 :-D COPPS

-edit 3-21-90 set I Intense and Satifying, Loose Lucy stole my face. Tight Victim>SOTM combo. Set II I saw Estimated>He's Gone. Oh, and it's got a set II...you know what ;-)

Thanks DV make it grateful :-) :-) :-)

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 04/25/2023 - 09:02

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A local show for me.. but a couple years before I got hooked.

I was looking at a stale screen and replied before I saw your subsequent post. Ooops..

Funny thing about the Capital Centre, the tapes sound fine but unless you are in the sweet spot, that venue had terrible sound. Oh, and the Maryland State Police had a thing for the GD. Parish talks about Maryland having a phonebook thick document detailing the shinanagans that came with dead shows and the Capital Centre filled the parking lot with police on horseback to make sure we weren't smiling on a cloudy day. Saw quite a few shows there but was happy when they blew the thing up in December 2002.

Just getting back from a little time away. Mucho yardwork awaits.. then life as normal.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 04/26/2023 - 02:32

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4-21-71. Going to hit it...

May be my inaugural listen here...

-edit- Truckin'>Drums in the first set, 5 songs in?!? Talk about youthful energy and exhuberance...I see what you mean FD (the) 11....

-edit 2- It's got a Cumberland and where the heck is the set break?!? I'm going with a blind inaugural listen here.

Have a Grateful Day all....

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 04/26/2023 - 06:19

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Hey rockers!!

April 26 beckons...........

4/26/69-can't go wrong with April 69
4/26/70-the great unknown
4/26/71-crunchy, greasy, jammy
4/26/72-creamy smooth gooey goodness

Decisions decisions decisions, take your pick. I went with Europe 72, a tour that never fails to deliver. I was going to listen to York Farm, but I seem to have misplaced it......

We must make the choices that enable us to fulfill the deepest capacities of our real selves.......

Rock on,

Doc
Most consequential choices involve shades of gray, and some fog is often useful in getting things done.....

What a show hey WTJ. Funny to me at least I always thought 3/22/90 was the better Hamilton show, but wow this show is no slouch. But are there any subpar shows from Spring 1990? I don't think so.
Love the start to this show, Half Step with a Minglewood, Queen Jane, Loose Lucy and a first set Standing on the Moon. Love these Hey Pocky Ways, a Crazy Fingers, Cumberland! Yes. Interesting and good Estimated into He's Gone and a good finish after Drums and Space. Love the Multi Track shows from this era.. On my home system I can definitely hear the difference.

Maybe this year we get another Multi Track Box?

Who has a pick for tomorrow? OB? Jim?
No tracking here yet.

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 04/27/2023 - 01:33

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I decided to give this a show a listen, after people here did me the courtesy of listening to a show I suggested a few weeks ago. In truth ( you might need smelling salts now) this is the first 1990 show I have actually listened to for a year or two. Consequently, the songs I enjoyed most are the songs unique to the Brent era, rather than ones I am so familiar with from the Keith era. The highlight of set one, for me is "Victim - Standing On The Moon" a real change in energy from anything in the past. Similarly, I enjoyed "Hey Pock Way" most in the second set. I winced in anticipation, when I saw they were going to play"Crazy Fingers" - a seemingly difficult song to pull off live - but I was pleasantly surprised.
I think I'll look in the Taping Compendium later, and see if my observations tally with what they say.

Postscript - I've just had a look in the Taping Compendium, and I'm way off beam! Quite a short review compared to the others - maybe not the best show to start off with for 1990?

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 04/27/2023 - 03:16

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It's where I intuitively went this morning. Tightness describes the first 3 tunes so far.

Going to explore furthur... :-D

-edit- fing jerry encouraging bobby with the estimated call out of scarlet . .. .lol haha prankster jerry edit 2 maybe a little too much into ship instead of the wheel big key change. wheel would have flowed smooth

how many estimated>wheels? there's a rabbit hole i'd like to go down :-) :-) :-)

*spoiling the suspense 12-14-80 (1 time only)

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 04/27/2023 - 05:38

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Alright WTJ, 3/16/90 sounds good to me.
Thanks!

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 04/28/2023 - 00:44

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Trying to remember which Jan/Feb. 78 show had that Stronger than Dirt Jam. It's brief, but it's there.

Oh, BTW that Estimated>Wheel from 12-14-80 is pretty well executed, but different than it would have been in Spring 90.

:-) :-) :-)¯

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 04/28/2023 - 01:45

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4/28/71

There, I said it. No regrets. Doesn't get any better.

Music is given to us with the sole purpose of establishing an order in things, including, and particularly, the coordination between man and time......

Rock on, or not,

Doc
Music is my friend, my constant companion......

With appreciation for all you do, have done and will. I always thought time was invented so that everything didn't happen all at once. Which it did 13.8 billion years ago with the big bang. Before that, there was music. Isn't it just so human that up until a hundred years or so ago, we thought the dinosaurs were around until a few thousand years back, we didn't know how old our petroglyphs were... And it's taken almost this long before there's a primal, late 60s box set to be announced...

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 04/28/2023 - 12:02

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Another fine Spring 90 WTJ. Always enjoyed shows that started out with Let the Good Times Roll and then into Touch of Gray. Great Bird Song, Blow Away.
Nice Scarlet into Estimated, Bobby loved the yelling during this time period. Solid finish. The Last Time encore! Great show.

I will hit 4/28/71 next.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sat, 04/29/2023 - 03:40

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Pre-empting the Doctor. Going with the Moore since the Board is incomplete and the Moore is moore than tolerable...

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sat, 04/29/2023 - 04:01

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Holy Grateful Dead Batman, I've been pre-empted! Ouch, that hurts!!!

Here we are, April 29. The eternal debate, 28th vs 29th. Some shows are Overrated, with a cap O (8/27/72, 5/8/77, etc) and some are overrated-lower case O. I think the 29th gets the lower case version.

Does an Alligator, Midnight Hour, and We Bid you Goodnight trump the best ever versions of El Paso, The Rub, Cumberland Blues, Morning Dew, and Hard To Handler, along with a cracklin' Other One and short yet dreamy Dark Star? Listen and decide for yourself, Miller's remaster is top notch.

In years gone by, Deadbase polls always rated the 29th higher than the 28th, which I never understood. Don't get me wrong, it's fine as fine can be, but even excellent can fall short when it follows sublime............

Honesty is wonderful, but I suspect it's also overrated.

Rock on,

Doc
Whoever you talk to, I'm either overrated or underrated......
P.S. I will be listening---and cranking!!---the 29th on my way to my car dealer in just a few minutes......

Due the fact that I now only ever listen to this 4cd comp of these shows that came out twenty odd years ago, and only ever have done since it came out - I can no longer tell these shows apart. I know the Dark Star jam with T.C. is from the 28th and the Alligator jam from 29th, but apart from that, it's all a bit of a mystery. Strange how they used to release multi show comps like this without indicating which song came from which show.
Goes without saying that everything on it is essential wherever it came from.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Sat, 04/29/2023 - 07:42

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Another one DR has found for me in my collection.
Likewise have not heard it in many years.
An anniversary listen does seem in order.
Thank you Ladies and Gentlemen.
Cheers

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Submitted by JeffSmith on Sun, 04/30/2023 - 10:17

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Hey Daverock, the Wikipedia entry includes show dates in the Track Listing. Think I'll head back down that direction myself. . .

Jeffsmith - thanks, I'll have a look later. Without looking, I'm pretty sure the "Cumberland " comes from 28th - I can still remember listening to that on a tape back in the 80's - one of the best versions.
Unfortunately I think I was a bit rash saying everything on this set is essential. While the rest of this first cd is as good as I remember - better if anything - I really can't be doing with the last 15 minutes of "Good Lovin'. To the extent that the next time I play it , I'll miss that bit out. The bit leading into drums is dynamic - but that rap......I notice we have a 22 minute Lovelight on the 2nd cd, which I can't remember. Hopefully more music than vocals.

I was quite surprised looking on wiki how many tracks on Ladies and Gentlemen are actually taken from 4/25. I don't know why, but I had always assumed that nearly all of it came from the 28th and 29th.

To me, the 2nd cd seems to follow the same pattern as the 1st cd. Some really well played shorter songs leading to a really well played longer one that unfortunately degenerates into another Pigpen atrocity. But that doesn't detract from the rest of it - hopefully. I don't know if The Dead ever played with such conviction and power on songs under 10 minutes than they do here. Truly great music that owes nothing to extended jamming. Songs that have become over familiar, like Sugar Magnolia sound fresh and energetic-this one gradually losing it's country stylings on the way to becoming full blown rocker. El Paso is another one - beautifully sung.

There are a lot of covers on this album- I counted 23 over the 4 cds, with Goin' Down The Road cropping up twice.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Mon, 05/01/2023 - 05:20

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An atrocity is when innocents are killed. Which is what I have to deal with today.

A Pigpen song you don't care for is merely that, and nothing else. So next time, choose your words more wisely....

Doc

I am sorry my last post caused offence. And that you have such a difficult job.
I have to say, though, that your own choice of words left something to be desired. I am happy to listen to advice from anyone, but to be talked down to and told what to do? Forget it.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 05/03/2023 - 02:53

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For some comic relief, google the horse race.

Anyway, who's got an 80's or 90's pick? Anything but Highgate or Boreal?

:-) :0) :-)¯

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 05/03/2023 - 04:31

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Mornin', rockers!!

If it's May 3, it must be Paris in 1972.

The exquisite China/Rider. Garcia's sublime, country-tinged picking in Next Time You See Me. The dreamy, propulsive psychedelia of Playing In The Band. A soulful Sing Me Back Home. The very fine, weaving-and-bobbing, in-and-out, focally intense jamming in the Truckin'/Other One. The Dead never played better, or sounded better. It might not be my favorite E72 show (that might still be May 26), but it is classic. So give it a spin............

Oh, I almost forgot. For all you Pigpen haters, there's 16 minutes of an atrocious Good Lovin'. So you might wanna skip that.................

Somebody said The 80s???? How about Carrier Dome October 1984? Ask Angry Jackstraw about that one. Maybe New Haven Spring 83, that one gave me a brain melt. There is actually much to be enjoyed in the 80s, if I remember correctly.............

Rock on,

Doc
Rick (to Ilse): "We'll always have Paris"..............