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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #851
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    “Hey Rocky, watch me levitate Garcia”

    Per your suggestions, doing the 9-18-87 anniversary.

    I suspect that everything in the Vault that sounds good will get digitized, and a lot has probably been done already since the tapes are degrading and the job needs to get completed. Also, storing digital copies at various geographic locations can be an insurance policy against things like the Universal Music warehouse fire, California Earthquake(s), etc. Futhurmore, I assume that when Dave is perusing potential releases he listens to a digital copy, not a cassette copy, then he picks a few shows to discuss at the next business meeting.

    Some will get the Full Norman.
    Some will even get Plangentized.
    Everything that gets digitized will be available for download and/or streaming in the future, we may just not be alive to spend the money on such.
    The Vault will become the Catalog.
    We are financing the digitization of the Vault by buying the new releases.
    So bust out Dennis’ wife’s credit card and keep buying.
    (Well, at least Dennis can bust out the credit card)

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    Misery loves company, JK

    Yeah 1stshow I hadn’t planned to do it.I mean I’ve been meaning to, but, like many things nowadays, always low on roundtoits ; ). Reminds me of this guy we picked up on Ziggy Marley tour doing merch back in 96 I believe.
    Flew into DC, met PK from Jersey, counted stuff in at the 9:30 club, then just tried to keep up with ole PK. Out on town all night, then immediately had to drive to next show etc…
    Dude knows everyone everywhere and can get you ANYTHING you need in almost any city!
    Damn Rastas were asking him to get them weed everywhere as he had better connections lol
    Been a road dog forever! Anywho, somewhere in the mayhem we ran into a buddy of his from Virginia who decided one show wasn’t enough fun. He only ment to go to the next one, and every night kept saying “ok, this is the last one, then I have to get back”…we’ll this went on for over a week until finally, after Panama beach show we literally had to make him get on a bus and go home lol. Guy was helpful and we all had big fun, but the poor bastard was wearing the same clothes etc and didn’t have anything with him, totally spontaneous trip. Think after a couple daze we bought him some fresh underwear and gave him a couple tour shirts to change into lol.
    So that’s kinda how I started E72 this time, ok, I’ll do one more. Finally, though this isn’t a good time, time wise etc, figured, fug it, buy the ticket, take the ride! So, always more fun with a tour buddy!

    Yeah, I’m with you on 5/3. It is a damn good show, but I didn’t get as blown away as some…
    But I’ll need to reacquaint with it…top five, good luck. I can’t do it. Their all so good, sure I like some perhaps more, but their just different enough I can’t pick a top dog…
    Yeah, what a surprise, the French were the most vocal lol

    Yeah DV, im worried about the VIKS, Bills too, though they seemed like their old selves again this week. But like the Viks, ya never know what’s next lol. Rootin for underdog Lions, and Falcons, though I really like this kid Field with Da Bears…
    I’ll have to try and find that Dave article. He always says that and he doesn’t do it all the time, and they have mostly stayed clear of anniversaries, but he has been dipping liberally from that early possibilities list he mentioned back at the start of DaP.

    Those all sound familiar Jim, but I’m on a job site so can’t look up in my Db.
    Tempting all, but I’m on tour in Europe with ole 1stshow and don’t like to listen to other Dead until the trip is over…
    1970 is perhaps last frontier I haven’t really got the toe wet yet. Need another roundtoit!

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    Hey OB, not off to a good start here in MN, but actually not that surprised. Go Bills!

    There is an interesting article in Relix with Dave L. that was posted last week I believe. Check it out.
    Dave claims there is no list and they don't generally release shows or box sets based on anniversaries. This year's box was just a coincidence. So, what does that mean for 2024? Not sure. Would love to see that October 74 Winterland box released. Who wouldn't?
    I thought the 74 Winterland shows were recorded by Bill Wolf as part of the Movie production agreement with United Artists. I believe everything is there and based on the material from the 2005 soundtrack, and bonus material, it is fantastic.

    Madison Square Garden 87. Those are some good shows Jim. Might have to join you on 9/18 as I have that 30 Trips show handy.

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    Huge and another damn near perfect show with 3 Other Ones! The crowd seems more engaged and yelling a bit more than some of the more polite audiences. And interestingly they didn't understand that the show wasn't over at set break. Read attendee Bob Welle's review in DeadbaseX and his cool viewpoint of having been cruising around EU and just luckily caught this one, wondering who are these new people on stage.
    After all these good ones in a row it's hard to see the almost Barton Hall fervor over this one though. I'm having a tough time doing a top 5 of the first 11 shows they are all so good but this one is certainly in there. Onward indeedy! Didn't expect anyone to join in my insanity to do them all so good on ya' Oro. Had to do it once in a lifetime, lol.
    Cheers

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    I was talking about a mini box of Feb '74 before they released 2/24 (and now 2/23), but I like the way you think.

    I always assumed, probably incorrectly, that there were problems with the recordings of much of the October 74 run. I know Owsley was very vocal that they had excessive bleeding from mic to mic, etc.

    As for something to listen to today.. not that I am strictly a Today in GD History person but 9/18/70, 9/18/74 and 9/18/87 were all excellent shows. 9/16/87 was surprisingly good for the period also.

    That's all I have for now.

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    Ok, back to Europe

    Hit 5/7, 5/10, and 5/11 this WE. Of course I’ve forgotten the finer points and things I wanted to say, but I’ve not wanted to be overly analytical, or get distracted with notes, and instead, just get right, relax, and try to enjoy them. (Which has not been hard ; )
    5/7 is just too much! It’s not always the most precise or perfect of the tour, but that’s because it’s a freight train on steroids!
    I’ve always preferred full steam ahead Dead even when that leads to more worts, not that this one has many, perhaps just a few more noticeable than some of the more reserved, precise (hey, they were trying to make an album) shows.
    Actually, I think the album factor is one reason this tour is so good. They’re in a place where they’re ontop of their game and can let it rip, but keeping it just enough under raps to keep the consistency high for recording purposes.
    Win win, but 5/7 seems more about the live gig, the large miserable crowd that seems to really appreciate the effort etc, more than playing it straight for the tape machine?
    Choo Choo, all aboard! what a beast! Garcia starts out in 5th gear and doesn’t let up for almost 4 hours!
    Dark Star AND an Other One! Full on grease fest with six beauties, including a nice LL that fits the format better than going on too long, and a nice unusual Segway into GDTRFB. Clearly they were enjoying themselves in spite of the conditions? They joke about blowing the big ones, but not this time bubba!
    I’ve had this one so have heard it several times, but it was a real treat to sit outside in a warm but not super hot day and just groove on this one!
    Yesterday I hit 5/10 for the first time and unfortunately didn’t get quite the best listen, at least to the later parts.
    But I did enjoy it, even if it was perhaps a little more laid back than 5/7 etc. Hey they all can’t be rocket ships lol.
    The word that kept coming to me was Smooth…this show seemed smooth. They’re gelling as a unit so well by now, and the consistency is so good. Sure there’s a miscue or clam every once in awhile, (I dare you to find a show that there isn’t ; ) but the overall tightness, energy, musicianship is truly better or on par with any tour they ever did!
    Of course there’s the sweet He’s Gone they finally got right, and why it’s the one! Another Sing me as they’ve worked that one in the repertoire nicely. And if I remember correctly, this had another of those unusual Other Ones, kinda jazzy perhaps and similar to 4/16? Unfortunately this one’s a blur for various reasons including hitting 5/11 afterwards. I’ll definitely want to rehit this, 5/3, and the Wembleys after the tour…but for now I want to go in order…
    Ok, 5/11, this one for whatever reason has always been perhaps my favorite?
    Not saying it’s the best show of the tour, just for whatever reasons perhaps my favorite?
    Certainly the set list is part of it: Nice Playing if not huge opener, plenty o grease, including a cool and final Caution, with final WHO Do You Love tease, Nice Truckin ender to mix it up, and a very cool, perhaps unusual Dark Star!
    Maybe it’s just because I think this might have been the first ala cart show I bought when I hand to the head realized what I was missing not having these Dark Stars? (Now realizing same about the cool spacey TOO’s)
    Other One can get real repetitive but these ones are often very diverse and different! The weirder the better I say!
    Whatever the reasons, this show, even after taking the tour plunge, still resonates very strong for me? Hey, I even think the cover art might be my fav? Ok, maybe I’ll hit it again streaming while working, before moving onto 5/13 and 5/16, both I’ve never heard yet, so hoping I’ll get to spend some extra time with em during the week…
    ONWARD! Ok, who stole my Heineken Dark?

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    That’s all I ment.
    Everyone’s made good points, and there’s no easy answer.
    I was going for a conversation starter more than just to editorialize.
    Like most things, no easy answers.
    It’s just now that I’m all addicted to this collecting nonsense, I need as many RJ shows as they’ll give us, and I’m afraid things are going to start slowing down, and eventually it won’t be worth it to them, and so many great shows will never get fixed up and released. And don’t you worry 1stshow ole buddy, there’s still plenty of RJ shows in the vault.
    As a rabid nut trying to tag as many of em as I can before I croak, I’m here to tell ya there’s plenty of gold left in them there hills! Yes many are cassette, but the gang has been getting better and better every year at fixing em up!
    And, there’s still lots of DATs and still a decent amount of killer multitracks, all just rotting in the vault!

    I totally get what yer saying, but think of it this way: suppose the summer 78 box was never released and only a couple others from that year. If they came out and said “this is your one chance to get the 20 best of 78”, including those shows in the July box, would you not find some way to get it? For sure, not everyone is going to want all of em, but I think you’d be able to scrape up at least 10k folks who would want at least one or 2?
    Really they should be digitizing them all, or at least the top 20 or 30 from each year that haven’t been released, and have a system where they announce a certain number, or block at a time, and do pre orders, to have inventory control.
    Some shows might sell big, some not so much. Perhaps have a rule that shows that don’t meet a certain threshold won’t get released?
    I guess the solution would involve somehow having a cost effective way to prep them, but pre order so you don’t always have to have such big sales numbers for every show? Perhaps DL like you say, but that hasn’t worked so well, so far anyway…
    Again, no easy answers, and I totally understand other pov. I just would hate to see so much good music not get the treatment it deserves. And yeah, the archive is awesome, but there’s nothing like getting a great show that’s been fully fixed/Normaned!

    Hey DV, where ya been hiding? Good to see ya, and sorry, I won’t mention you know who. It has got to be really tough being a fan. It’d be one thing if they just stunk, but they have potential, if only they could stop beating themselves.
    A well, it’s early still…

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    Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
    It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
    Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

    There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
    Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

    Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.

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    I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
    Cheers
    Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.

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    Y’all are missing the point…

    I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
    I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
    Their not going to do this forever!!!
    For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
    With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
    There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
    My plan,
    25 for primal 67-70
    15 for 71
    20 for 72
    20 for 73 (at least!
    ? 74 might just be mostly scraps
    20? for 76? Maybe
    77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
    20 for 78
    20 for 79 and 80
    20 for 81 & 82
    20 for 83 & 84
    20 for 85 & 86
    20 for 87 & 88
    20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
    90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
    20 for 91 & 92
    20 for 93-95
    These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
    Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
    You could still make them “limited”…
    Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

    Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

    And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
    But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
    Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
    Tic toc…

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

Well, hopefully there are no Pigpen haters on here, or haters of any kind come to that. If such a beast exists, I would definitely advise him or her not to skip the Lovelights from the Europe 72 tour - all very differently styled to the ones played in 1971. Or any of the preceding years come to that.

I'm obviously only expressing one view point when I post on here, incidentally. In no way would want anyone to think I disrespected the opposite view - or that I expected them to agree with the one I expressed. The great thing about being on here - in theory - is that everybody loves the same band - but often for radically different reasons . And the more varied the views are that are expressed, the more interesting things become. The problem is never in seeing things"your" way, but in expecting others to as well.
Anyway - this isn't my natural habitat, so I'll shuffle off now, and leave you in peace. Hope it continues to grow in this space.

And if we are doing 5/3 might as well stick around for the jazzy Dark Star from the 4th. Other Ones and Dark Stars and Gargoyle's Oh My!

hey... it looks like the renovation of Notre Dame will conclude sometime next year. A crazy celebration will likely ensue probably without fireworks and assorted celebratory acts.

non fumeur s'il vous plait

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 05/04/2023 - 05:36

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Another monster show. Let's do it Jim.

For Friday I was thinking 2/26/81 from the Uptown Theater. Hopefully this one isn't a repeat.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Thu, 05/04/2023 - 11:04

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and a dollar short. Did DaP20 12-9-81 Boulder today.
My short review would be meh, pretty good.
While many songs were good versions, overall not terribly impressive.
Typical sound issues at first and got worse into second song and then the Jack Straw how does this song go meltdown was almost humorous but as Jer said in an interview, "We cling to each other in moments of horror". Nice long set though. Has both the China/Rider and the Scarlet/ Fire on either side of the set break for those still trying to decide which is their favorite, but again nothing that really had the secret sauce. Seemed to go matrix sounding with audience audible in second set? 7 inch reels and not cassette though.
Just didn't seem to have that ephemeral thing that makes you say, yes that's why they picked this one. Only the second or third 80's release by then maybe? Could be a distracted listen is at fault but any listening is better than none.
Cheers
Edit: Cue the Twilight Zone music, this is post 7006 on this thread, my childhood address in Littleton, CO

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I didn't start subscribing to Dave's Picks until the following year, so DaP #21, but when I saw this show was an official release I went and tracked down a copy. Back in the day, my intro to 1981 GD had been 7/5/81 Zoo Amphitheater, and that made me wake up to the possibilities (my collection at that time was mostly '68-'78) so when the next person I traded with sent me his list and he had a bunch of early 80s boards I said, basically, "pick the hottest show of '81 and send it to me" and this night in Boulder was his choice.

Now obviously that's debatable, and when I played the first cassette and heard that Jack Straw, I thought maybe the guy had been having a laugh at my expense. At the time I didn't even have a Deadbase so I didn't know this was the final night of that short winter tour, but I feel like it shows. That setlist looks like a reward for the folks who came out on tour in the cold rain and snow. Personally I love the Drums->Space->Other One->Stella Blue...

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Thu, 05/04/2023 - 13:11

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I agree, the best part of the show that I forgot to mention.
They finally caught fire, as often happens, in the crux of the jam.
We need more '80s Dave. Throwing one out there, Santa Fe '83?
Cheers

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 05/05/2023 - 04:20

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Based on choices here, I was able to tune into 9-10-93 and 2-27-81.

I'll be checking out that E72, 5-3, 5-4 and for extra credit 5-10 (dynamite). I also wanted to check out 2-26-81 and Richfield 1991. What's the pick of the litter there? 9-6-91?

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Submitted by bluecrow on Fri, 05/05/2023 - 07:46

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Been busy and out in the field. I'll try to work in the 2 Paris shows, at least the deep jams, this weekend. I had the 3 lp E72 album in my early days and it very much informed my listening, but it was an n-th generation cassette SBD from Rotterdam 5/11/72 that had me really and truly grok what the Europe tour was about. Dark Star > Sugar Magnolia > Caution (Who Do You Love verse) > Trucking > Uncle Johns. That's my fave jam from the tour. A mid-summer night listen back in summer '87 or so that will forever be burned in my memory as to how profoundly it influenced my "ear" for the Dead.

Always up for some Uptown Theatre (2/27/81). Before I headed out last week I marveled at the 1st set of 8/6/82 St Paul, which was in the Tapers Section. JOTW as of today is 8/14/71 BCT (haven't gotten to it yet.) Sweet pair of shows 8/14 and 8/15.

Here Comes Sunshine, 5 shows from late spring '73, is a "dream" box for me. I'm sure I suggested it here in the semi-regular what-box-would-you-like-to-see sessions. Never thought it would happen in this purest of forms, all 5 shows!

Take care folks.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 05/05/2023 - 22:01

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Hey Bluecrow, could not agree more, super excited for Here Comes Sunshine and love the fact we should have it maybe before the fourth of July. Extra bonus we get a MUATM in June and Wrigley June 91!
Yes, the St. Paul show in August 82 is really good, right before those Alpine shows, which I believe you were at. You lucky guy.

Be well all.

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Hello once again, rockers!

Pick Of The Day: MIT free show May 6, 1970

What sculpture is to a block of marble, education is to the soul…..

May in New England. The weather was cold, but the music was hot…………

Not much wasted time, or space, here. Opening with Dancin’, there’s decent grease, jamming, and rock and roll. Who couldn’t go for a short, sharp shot of 1970 good old Grateful Dead on a blustery Spring day?

Apparently some smart folks at MIT had the foresight---and ability---to record this little gem, which has circulated since the dawn of time. Much to our advantage, and might even make a nice little official release some day………..

Rock on!

Doc
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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 05/06/2023 - 10:04

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Damn - it is a great one!! Love the sound of those early Dancings! Love the later ones too like 10/1/77. Alas, never got one in my GD concert days.

2545 DaP46 arrived this morning ahead of schedule (was due Monday) and right on time for a weekend listen!!

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Submitted by berman. on Sun, 05/07/2023 - 03:06

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Mason”s Children alone is worth the trip … (btw, anyone ever notice they revamped the intro on it just after the next time they performed it ?) .. listen to the …Good Lovin’ on… quality prior is mediocre .. the banter is classic, too.. one of my 1st 5 bootlegs

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 05/09/2023 - 12:54

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Circling back on this show from last week. Definitely worth a listen. Recording is great. First show of 1981 coming off a banner year in 1980. Solid first set with Feel Like a Stranger, Althea, throw in a Birdsong, Peggy O, TMNS. Start the second set with an explosive China Rider, Samson, He's Gone, Truckin, Black Peter, GDTRFB, and finish it up with JBG and US Blues encore. What a show. I will have to take a look at the other shows from the Uptown.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 05/10/2023 - 03:20

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I'm going to give a shot to that one and with that I will have completed the opening trio of shows from 1981.

So far 2/26>2/27 for me...

Going with the Seamons matrix on 2/28.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 05/10/2023 - 05:23

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Nice work WTJ.

Thoughts?

I will get the other two going.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 05/12/2023 - 02:01

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Just enjoying the jams. Hollywood was a nice diversion, btw. Definitely a festival tape.

Up to drums and space on 2/28 now and the sound on the Chappell matrix is fine.

Happy weekend, folks :-)

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sun, 05/14/2023 - 01:14

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Happy Sunday, fellow rockers!!

Pick Of The Day: Merramec Community College May 14 1970

Loss and possession, death and life are one, there falls no shadow where there shines no sun…..

This was such an appealing format. We’ll start you off with some mellow acoustic tunes, and then finish you off with some highly charged, highly amplified psychedelic electric Grateful Dead. And THEN maybe toss in an acoustic encore. A format lost but not forgotten.......

The five song acoustic set is short by sweet. The electric set crackles with energy, with a really good dose of greasy Pigpen (including back-to-back Good Lovin’ and Schoolgirl [one of the last pigpen versions]), substantial country-westernish stoner Americana, the first Attics Of My Life, a fully electric New Speedway that includes a short Nobody’s Fault jam, and a St Stephan. And for all you Lovelight haters out there, short at a mere 17 minutes. And they send everybody home with a lovely Cold Jordan…..

Not as famous as Harpur College or the Fillmore East show the following night, but without a doubt worthy of a serious listen!!!

There's a bit of magic in everything, and some loss to even things out……

Rock on!!

Doc
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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 05/16/2023 - 21:53

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Alright WTJ, I am in on that great show for tomorrow.

Thanks.

Also, can't say enough good things about that Uptown Theater February 81 run. 2/27 is even better than 2/26.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 05/17/2023 - 03:03

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Hey now DV, I went through all 3 Chicago Uptown 1981 shows. I thought they were all strong with the bookend shows catching my ear in a different way on my relistens. It would take several more listens to refine my position, really though all 3 shows are strong and, in my opinion, really benefitted from the matrix treatment by Chappell or Seamons.

As for more show reccos, over on the SHF they are offering up 'Alternative 30 Trips'. Here's an example of a dead freak created list. Some good, and in some cases, lesser known gems in there.

1966 - 11/19/66
1967 - 11/11/67
1968 - 10/12/68
1969 - 4/22/69
1970 - 6/24/70
1971 - 8/6/71
1972 - 9/10/72
1973 - 12/1/73
1974 - 5/12/74
1975 - 6/17/75
1976 - 10/15/76
1977 - 6/4/77
1978 - 6/4/78
1979 - 12/1/79
1980 - 10/31/80
1981 - 8/28/81
1982 - 4/19/82
1983 - 9/11/83
1984 - 12/29/84
1985 - 7/1/85
1986 - 4/19/86
1987 - 9/8/87
1988 - 7/2/88
1989 - 8/19/89
1990 - 7/12/90
1991 - 10/31/91
1992 - 12/3/92
1993 - 8/21/93
1994 - 10/17/94
1995 - 6/25/95

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 05/17/2023 - 04:18

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I would have enjoyed chipping in on that one. As it happens, though, Daves 46 arrived yesterday, and from the early hours of tomorrow I will be spending 24 hours in a music free zone. Its unlikely it will still be on the agenda after that, but if it is..

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 05/17/2023 - 05:15

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1966 - 7/16/66
1967- 5/5/67
1968 - 3/16/68
1969 - 6/7/69
1970 - 9/19/70
1971 - 2/20/71
1972 - 9/16/72
1973 - 2/15/73
1974 - 9/20/74
1975 - 3/23/75
1976 - 6/3/76
1977 - 10/12/77
1978 - 11/23/78
1979 - 10/25/79
1980 - 9/6/80
1981 - 9/26/81
1982 - 10/10/82
1983 - 4/12/83
1984 - 11/2/84
1985 - 11/21/85
1986 - 4/21/86
1987 - 7/8/87
1988 - 9/16/88
1989 - 6/19/89
1990 - 9/14/90
1991 - 4/28/91
1992 - 6/17/92
1993 - 3/17/93
1994 - 9/17/94
1995 - 6/2/95

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Wed, 05/17/2023 - 10:14

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wow, now I could go for another 30 trips box, the first one was soooo cool. I got to say this, What about Gainesville? 1980 show that still has not seen the light of day, the one before and the one after but not Gainesville. So that would be my pick for 1980, for 95, I got to go with 4-1 or 2 or the Birmingham show. 94 Spring any. More but that's just off the top of me head. Again, anything from 67-70 would be mighty fine.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 05/17/2023 - 11:09

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What about Gainesville? I always thought it was funny that in the 30 trips liner notes from the Lakeland 1980 trip, Dave either on purpose or by sheer coincidence completely ignores Gainesville. Anyway, I always thought that November SE 1980 set ran together better as a group of 4, kind of like 5-5, 5-7, 5-8 and 5-9-1977 FWIW

Also, FWIW just wrapping up 9-26-81 with the Encore on Chuck Berry's B-Day no less. Where'd Weir get that, his trusty almanac? I like the idea of 30 Alternative Trips and I wanted to hear a Shakedown Street, so picked a dead freak curated one for today.

Have a Grateful Day everyone. :-)

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Thu, 05/18/2023 - 04:35

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Mornin', rockers!!!

Pick Of The Day: Munich May 18 1972

Just before the supernova Lyceum shows. Quite substantial. Dark Star. Dew. Sing Me Back Home. Underrated and absolutely worth a listen...........

Off to the morgue......

Rock on,

Doc
Whoever you talk to, I'm either overrated or underrated, it's all who you to talk to.........
P.S. I forgot to add:
Last 5:
Dead 5/18/72
Ellington:
1943-12-11 Carnegie Hall
1945-09-24 New Zanzibar
1948-12-10 Cornell. Now there's a Cornell worth listening to!!! LOL...........
1949-02-xx Hollywood Empire
Simply amazing stuff, maybe I was born too late.............

Munich, what a monster show. Yes, I think I will pop this one in today.

WTJ, I am assuming you listened to a audience version of the September 81 show?

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 05/18/2023 - 16:30

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Went w/ the Chappell Matrix. I'm a sucker for a good matrix and am usually quite satisfied with them. Early 80's benefit most from the matrix treatment imo. Why did Rhino/GDP go with a matrix on DaP 8 and not on the 1980 Lakeland Trip?

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 05/19/2023 - 04:38

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There's nothing like it for me, because you can really hear the nuance. For me today it's 6-17-92 (first half of set II virtually identical to 6-28 Deer Creek) and if I have time on deck is, 12-3-92. I swear I'll get back to E72. Isn't Munich Moses Quasar's favorite? Just like Lille is Bolo's??

:-) :-) :-) It's Friday. Make it Grateful today all!!!!

-edit- What the heck melody is it they're toying with before Jackaroe on 6-17-92 set I?

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 05/21/2023 - 02:32

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Sounded like it could be a jazz standard to me, but TBH my knowledge of classical music is far greater than my jazz chops. Vinny brought some classical chops back to the dead as I listen back. He was pulling out all sorts of Chopin and Beethoven here and there if you listen for it. And now, to chip away at the list. I know I will not be able to get to it all. The nuggets I've extracted thus far are 6-3-76, 6-17-92, 12-3-92, 9-26-81 and 11-23-78 (a couple weeks ago)

Finding I am enjoying Vince's contribution to the band more than I used to. Anyway, Staying Grateful here. 5-18-72 was nice for yesterday. I listen to 5-19-77 all the time. One I don't is 6-4-77. Hmmm. Something I might remedy later :-) :-)¯ :-)

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 05/21/2023 - 08:00

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Yes, 6/4/77, at one point we were searching for the lost soundboard. Not sure if they ever found one or had one returned. The audience is a little rough.

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Submitted by Obeah on Sun, 05/21/2023 - 11:02

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I thought I read (New Yorker? Nick P. article?) is that one big reason for the matrix release on DaP8 was because of the standout quality of the AUD. But that's 10 years ago, and my memory isn't to be trusted.

But speaking of the Fox, WTJ mentions that 5/19 show! Ahhhh. I, too, have that one in very regular rotation. It was like this back in the day, as set II was the very first tape I ever had from 1977. It was probably 20 years later before I ever heard the first set, and when I finally did it was so lovely to realize it was a cracklin' hot show from start to finish. I was glad that confirm that I hadn't placed a sort of 'newbie bias' on the show simply because it was a really early tape in my collection. I have the May '77 boxset that covers the week before, and it's all good stuff -- but I always come home to 5/19.

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Submitted by Obeah on Sun, 05/21/2023 - 12:18

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I just realized that I have Don't Let Go in my collection (aka JGB 5/21/76 at the Orpheum) and I've never listened to it. Got it playing now. I see it was a Friday night show, but it's working wonders for my Sunday afternoon. Cheers all

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 05/24/2023 - 01:37

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Good morning, rockers!

Pick Of The Day: Newcastle-under-Lyme, England May 24 1970

They'll always be an England, even if it's in Hollywood…………

A year after the Big Rock Pow Wow and here we are at another festival. From West Hollywood Florida to the Hollywood Festival, it’s the Dead’s first live appearance in Europe, and they deliver a fine show.

Decent amounts of grease. Two big jam sequences. A rare Attics Of My Life. There are some audience patches on circulating copies, but still worth a listen!

England is the paradise of women, the purgatory of men, and the hell of horses…..

Rock on!!

Doc
Whatever was the conduct of England, I am equally arraigned……..

Needed a boost today. Decided to fire up 8/13/1975 or One from the Vault.
Who is with me?

A few years ago I bought the remastered version they put out in 2007, man is it good.

Just love that introduction! The anticipation of breaking into Help on the Way.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 05/25/2023 - 09:25

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It's been a while since I fired up 1ftv. I have the original GDM cds ripped to my FIIO X5. I'm hitting the road tomorrow so I will definitely tune into that since it has been a while since I did. Anyway, yeah that Bill Graham intro. sets the stage nicely. Are the remastered discs out of order, too? I should do something about that in my digital files....

Thanks for the picks and Have a Grateful Day all. :-)

P.S. DV have you ever been to or heard of the Casey Jones memorial trail near Pipestone? That's somewhere I will be visiting someday since I'm just a state over....

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Submitted by dmcvt on Thu, 05/25/2023 - 09:26

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Out for the afternoon, set this up for this evening. Funny yesterday, thinking of this very one for H/S/F. Dan Healy's intro text ends with: "This represents the beginning of the release of the vault tapes". Who knew, the music never stopped.

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Thu, 05/25/2023 - 12:11

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In the top 10 of all-time Dead shows.

Still hits the spot. Such a unique show and the recording is so good. Thank you Don Pearson and Dan Healy.

When I discovered the Dead in 85 and eventually picked up Blues for Allah, I remember thinking, wow, this release is definitely out there and at the same time so good. I used to have a Blues for Allah tapestry, loved it. I think it was thrown away during our last move.

Anyway, enjoyed the revisit today. Hope you all enjoy it as well.

If you don't have the remastered version, it is worth picking up.

WTJ, I didn't know the song order was off?
Never been to the Casey Jones Trial in Pipestone, but it looks fun.

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 05/25/2023 - 23:29

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This was possibly the first live Dead I heard apart from the Dark Star from Wembley 4/8/72, on the Glastonbury Fayre triple album. About an hour of it was broadcast on the radio, which I taped. I think it was this recording that was then circulated as the bootleg "Make Believe Ballroom." I'll dig it out later - the official recording I mean. It's lasted the distance better than most music from 1975, that's for sure.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 05/26/2023 - 01:15

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My friends!!!

Pick Of The Day: Lyceum Theater, London May 26 1972

The wise man must remember that while he is a descendant of the past, he is a parent of the future.......

The last show of the great and powerful, best ever Dead tour, and the last classic show with Pigpen still on board. Every show on the tour was a gem, but somehow the band really kicked it into overdrive for this one. Sides five and six of the original release were so intensely burned into our memories during those Saturday night tripping parties in high school, starting when it originally came out in November of 1972. It's been my favorite E72 show since forever, and yes I revisit it frequently. You should too!!!

In fact, I'm going to crank it up, way loud, on my morning commute today..............

The distinction between the past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion...........

Rock on, rockers!!!

Doc
Fear not for the future, weep not for the past......

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 05/26/2023 - 05:12

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According to my DeadBase X after a cursory look, the set break should be after Stronger than Dirt. Around and Around opens set 2. Not sure if there are other differences, but I might sleuth it later.

Stay safe all and Best Wishes. :-) :-) :-)

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 05/26/2023 - 08:18

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Have it going now, how could you pass it up. Disc 3 is some of the best Dead music you will ever hear.

Interesting WTJ, I have never owned a Deadbase.

Enjoy the weekend out there. Finally nice here in MN and plan on enjoying it to the fullest.

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Submitted by daverock on Fri, 05/26/2023 - 10:10

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A great sounding show, and one that has grown on me over the years. It doesn't really sound like any other show to me. The first set - second set structure doesn't seem to apply to this one, with Help-Slipknot-Franklins being maybe the highlight of the show, as well as the first numbers played. Great bass on Eyes of the World, and that's only the 5th song of the first set. I'll listen to the rest this evening.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sun, 05/28/2023 - 09:52

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The Great American Music Hall.
The very first peak into the vault, truly a mysterious wonder in those daze…
Hadn’t heard this in forever. It really doesn’t sound like anything else does it?
Not like WOS 74, and not too much like post hiatus 76? So, in other words, cool sheet Mon!
Fully dug, especially the aural bliss. This one’s so clean extreme volume is easily obtainable lol.
Yassss, the H/S/F is magnificence. The other newbies are clear, precise, and fresh, if not the fully formed transporters they’d grow into. The old standbys are same mo as above, good but…?. After such a long listening absence, fresh perspective noticed the somewhat lack of extension on many of the songs. Remember thinking this would be top shelf if there was only a big, then…then, we get that sweet awesome Allah!!! This is the GD at their finest, matching the spaciest Other One or the scariest DS! I’ve felt and said all along, though they have so many great songs, everybody has songs, only the Dead can pull this otherworldly goodness off, and, not have it just sound like noodling.
Cool pick, fully dug!! And hey, it didn’t require a calendar ; )
Now where did mama hide those cookies up here?

EDIT: oh, can’t forget to mention 2 of my favorite Dead songs here, Stronger Than Dirt, and Sage and Spirit!
Boo yah!

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Submitted by daverock on Sun, 05/28/2023 - 10:39

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Yes, I like Stronger Than Dirt and Sage and Spirit a lot, too. Pity they got retired off so soon. I might dig out the cd with the acoustic Sage and Spirit on later - 2nd disc of the cd of "Reckoning". 10/31/80 Radio City, New York. I've got it here, in my hand.