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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    It’s overdue Dave.

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    That was amazing when it came out on CD.
    Of course, I couldn’t afford the CD (had to use my money on beer and cigarettes), so had to make a cassette copy of a friend’s CD.
    Now I have the original CD, the remastered CD, and the vinyl.

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    The beginning of the release of the vault tapes! Yes!

    I beat the hell out of this release when I first got it in 91. And listening to the remastered version in 2024 still makes me smile. I can't get over how good the audio is on this release. From the iconic intro into Help Slip Franklins to the Blues for Allah finale. Love the Eyes into King Solomon's Marbles.

    These are the kind of releases that keep me wanted more.

    Also hit 6/14/76 from the Beacon, probably my favorite show from that Box.
    Might have to hit the capitol theatre show from 6/19 today as well.

    Be well out there.

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    Cnkd - I'm not so sure about that...it's only that album that suffers in this way. Both the vinyl versions of 8/13/75 and 5/25/72, played this morning, are completely free of surface noise. Maybe I should get a better record cleaner.

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    I don’t recall any issues with my DaP2 vinyl.
    Do you have a gel stylus cleaner?
    I got the Hudson Hi-Fi one and it seems to do a good job at removing dust and debris.

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    Yes, it was listening to 8/13/75 on vinyl yesterday - it does sound really good. I have Two From The Vaults on vinyl, but not Three - I've been on the verge of getting it for some time.

    While we are on the subject, I wondered what the quality of the vinyl was like on your copy of Daves 2 ?On the first few sides, every now and again there is a loud crackle type noise on a song. It's over immediately, but then reappears a few songs later - and again disappears a soon as I've registered it. The last few sides are fine all the way through.

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    And the remastered version sounds spectacular as well.

    I will have to get it going on Thursday.

    Don't forget Milking the Turkey.

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    If you don’t have it,
    8-13-75 vinyl sounds pretty good and I don’t think it’s even 180 g.

    Just occured to me that I have all 3 FTV’s on vinyl.
    Nice!

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    Purely by chance, I found myself listening to the Great American Music Hall show from 8/13/75 today- without realising it was it's anniversary. I'm not pulling your leg here. As everyone knows, it is a great and unique show. If I was compiling my best 10 or 15 shows, I would make room for this one. It's a level playing field of excellence from the opening HSF triumvirate through to U.S Blues.

    I also love the closing "Blues For Allah" which is so off the wall it's in a category of it's own. Seems more weird in the way "What's Become Of The Baby" was than anything else in their repertoire. Shame they didn't do more with it in the later years. It would have been perfect for Egypt.

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    Hard to beat these shows, Firstshow.

    Such an interesting little tour and then to end up at Red Rocks. What a box. Looking forward to more 78 in September!

    The Dead always made it a priority to play in MN for most of the late 70s to 1989- Then never again. And not in my second home state WI.

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I like long Pigpen songs.
That Good Lovin' on L&G is a good one.

I like Brent too.

And last night I listened to a Vince show, 9-10-93. I was at that show, on the floor with mail order tix.
It has an Attics, sung by old worn out vocal chords.

Ah Paris, what a show. Can't pass this one up.

WTJ, I have a good eighties pick that I don't think we have hit yet. I will be back.

Well, hopefully there are no Pigpen haters on here, or haters of any kind come to that. If such a beast exists, I would definitely advise him or her not to skip the Lovelights from the Europe 72 tour - all very differently styled to the ones played in 1971. Or any of the preceding years come to that.

I'm obviously only expressing one view point when I post on here, incidentally. In no way would want anyone to think I disrespected the opposite view - or that I expected them to agree with the one I expressed. The great thing about being on here - in theory - is that everybody loves the same band - but often for radically different reasons . And the more varied the views are that are expressed, the more interesting things become. The problem is never in seeing things"your" way, but in expecting others to as well.
Anyway - this isn't my natural habitat, so I'll shuffle off now, and leave you in peace. Hope it continues to grow in this space.

And if we are doing 5/3 might as well stick around for the jazzy Dark Star from the 4th. Other Ones and Dark Stars and Gargoyle's Oh My!

hey... it looks like the renovation of Notre Dame will conclude sometime next year. A crazy celebration will likely ensue probably without fireworks and assorted celebratory acts.

non fumeur s'il vous plait

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Another monster show. Let's do it Jim.

For Friday I was thinking 2/26/81 from the Uptown Theater. Hopefully this one isn't a repeat.

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and a dollar short. Did DaP20 12-9-81 Boulder today.
My short review would be meh, pretty good.
While many songs were good versions, overall not terribly impressive.
Typical sound issues at first and got worse into second song and then the Jack Straw how does this song go meltdown was almost humorous but as Jer said in an interview, "We cling to each other in moments of horror". Nice long set though. Has both the China/Rider and the Scarlet/ Fire on either side of the set break for those still trying to decide which is their favorite, but again nothing that really had the secret sauce. Seemed to go matrix sounding with audience audible in second set? 7 inch reels and not cassette though.
Just didn't seem to have that ephemeral thing that makes you say, yes that's why they picked this one. Only the second or third 80's release by then maybe? Could be a distracted listen is at fault but any listening is better than none.
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I didn't start subscribing to Dave's Picks until the following year, so DaP #21, but when I saw this show was an official release I went and tracked down a copy. Back in the day, my intro to 1981 GD had been 7/5/81 Zoo Amphitheater, and that made me wake up to the possibilities (my collection at that time was mostly '68-'78) so when the next person I traded with sent me his list and he had a bunch of early 80s boards I said, basically, "pick the hottest show of '81 and send it to me" and this night in Boulder was his choice.

Now obviously that's debatable, and when I played the first cassette and heard that Jack Straw, I thought maybe the guy had been having a laugh at my expense. At the time I didn't even have a Deadbase so I didn't know this was the final night of that short winter tour, but I feel like it shows. That setlist looks like a reward for the folks who came out on tour in the cold rain and snow. Personally I love the Drums->Space->Other One->Stella Blue...

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I agree, the best part of the show that I forgot to mention.
They finally caught fire, as often happens, in the crux of the jam.
We need more '80s Dave. Throwing one out there, Santa Fe '83?
Cheers

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Based on choices here, I was able to tune into 9-10-93 and 2-27-81.

I'll be checking out that E72, 5-3, 5-4 and for extra credit 5-10 (dynamite). I also wanted to check out 2-26-81 and Richfield 1991. What's the pick of the litter there? 9-6-91?

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Been busy and out in the field. I'll try to work in the 2 Paris shows, at least the deep jams, this weekend. I had the 3 lp E72 album in my early days and it very much informed my listening, but it was an n-th generation cassette SBD from Rotterdam 5/11/72 that had me really and truly grok what the Europe tour was about. Dark Star > Sugar Magnolia > Caution (Who Do You Love verse) > Trucking > Uncle Johns. That's my fave jam from the tour. A mid-summer night listen back in summer '87 or so that will forever be burned in my memory as to how profoundly it influenced my "ear" for the Dead.

Always up for some Uptown Theatre (2/27/81). Before I headed out last week I marveled at the 1st set of 8/6/82 St Paul, which was in the Tapers Section. JOTW as of today is 8/14/71 BCT (haven't gotten to it yet.) Sweet pair of shows 8/14 and 8/15.

Here Comes Sunshine, 5 shows from late spring '73, is a "dream" box for me. I'm sure I suggested it here in the semi-regular what-box-would-you-like-to-see sessions. Never thought it would happen in this purest of forms, all 5 shows!

Take care folks.

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Hey Bluecrow, could not agree more, super excited for Here Comes Sunshine and love the fact we should have it maybe before the fourth of July. Extra bonus we get a MUATM in June and Wrigley June 91!
Yes, the St. Paul show in August 82 is really good, right before those Alpine shows, which I believe you were at. You lucky guy.

Be well all.

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Hello once again, rockers!

Pick Of The Day: MIT free show May 6, 1970

What sculpture is to a block of marble, education is to the soul…..

May in New England. The weather was cold, but the music was hot…………

Not much wasted time, or space, here. Opening with Dancin’, there’s decent grease, jamming, and rock and roll. Who couldn’t go for a short, sharp shot of 1970 good old Grateful Dead on a blustery Spring day?

Apparently some smart folks at MIT had the foresight---and ability---to record this little gem, which has circulated since the dawn of time. Much to our advantage, and might even make a nice little official release some day………..

Rock on!

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Damn - it is a great one!! Love the sound of those early Dancings! Love the later ones too like 10/1/77. Alas, never got one in my GD concert days.

2545 DaP46 arrived this morning ahead of schedule (was due Monday) and right on time for a weekend listen!!

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Mason”s Children alone is worth the trip … (btw, anyone ever notice they revamped the intro on it just after the next time they performed it ?) .. listen to the …Good Lovin’ on… quality prior is mediocre .. the banter is classic, too.. one of my 1st 5 bootlegs

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Circling back on this show from last week. Definitely worth a listen. Recording is great. First show of 1981 coming off a banner year in 1980. Solid first set with Feel Like a Stranger, Althea, throw in a Birdsong, Peggy O, TMNS. Start the second set with an explosive China Rider, Samson, He's Gone, Truckin, Black Peter, GDTRFB, and finish it up with JBG and US Blues encore. What a show. I will have to take a look at the other shows from the Uptown.

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I'm going to give a shot to that one and with that I will have completed the opening trio of shows from 1981.

So far 2/26>2/27 for me...

Going with the Seamons matrix on 2/28.

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Nice work WTJ.

Thoughts?

I will get the other two going.

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Just enjoying the jams. Hollywood was a nice diversion, btw. Definitely a festival tape.

Up to drums and space on 2/28 now and the sound on the Chappell matrix is fine.

Happy weekend, folks :-)

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Happy Sunday, fellow rockers!!

Pick Of The Day: Merramec Community College May 14 1970

Loss and possession, death and life are one, there falls no shadow where there shines no sun…..

This was such an appealing format. We’ll start you off with some mellow acoustic tunes, and then finish you off with some highly charged, highly amplified psychedelic electric Grateful Dead. And THEN maybe toss in an acoustic encore. A format lost but not forgotten.......

The five song acoustic set is short by sweet. The electric set crackles with energy, with a really good dose of greasy Pigpen (including back-to-back Good Lovin’ and Schoolgirl [one of the last pigpen versions]), substantial country-westernish stoner Americana, the first Attics Of My Life, a fully electric New Speedway that includes a short Nobody’s Fault jam, and a St Stephan. And for all you Lovelight haters out there, short at a mere 17 minutes. And they send everybody home with a lovely Cold Jordan…..

Not as famous as Harpur College or the Fillmore East show the following night, but without a doubt worthy of a serious listen!!!

There's a bit of magic in everything, and some loss to even things out……

Rock on!!

Doc
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Alright WTJ, I am in on that great show for tomorrow.

Thanks.

Also, can't say enough good things about that Uptown Theater February 81 run. 2/27 is even better than 2/26.

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Hey now DV, I went through all 3 Chicago Uptown 1981 shows. I thought they were all strong with the bookend shows catching my ear in a different way on my relistens. It would take several more listens to refine my position, really though all 3 shows are strong and, in my opinion, really benefitted from the matrix treatment by Chappell or Seamons.

As for more show reccos, over on the SHF they are offering up 'Alternative 30 Trips'. Here's an example of a dead freak created list. Some good, and in some cases, lesser known gems in there.

1966 - 11/19/66
1967 - 11/11/67
1968 - 10/12/68
1969 - 4/22/69
1970 - 6/24/70
1971 - 8/6/71
1972 - 9/10/72
1973 - 12/1/73
1974 - 5/12/74
1975 - 6/17/75
1976 - 10/15/76
1977 - 6/4/77
1978 - 6/4/78
1979 - 12/1/79
1980 - 10/31/80
1981 - 8/28/81
1982 - 4/19/82
1983 - 9/11/83
1984 - 12/29/84
1985 - 7/1/85
1986 - 4/19/86
1987 - 9/8/87
1988 - 7/2/88
1989 - 8/19/89
1990 - 7/12/90
1991 - 10/31/91
1992 - 12/3/92
1993 - 8/21/93
1994 - 10/17/94
1995 - 6/25/95

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I would have enjoyed chipping in on that one. As it happens, though, Daves 46 arrived yesterday, and from the early hours of tomorrow I will be spending 24 hours in a music free zone. Its unlikely it will still be on the agenda after that, but if it is..

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1966 - 7/16/66
1967- 5/5/67
1968 - 3/16/68
1969 - 6/7/69
1970 - 9/19/70
1971 - 2/20/71
1972 - 9/16/72
1973 - 2/15/73
1974 - 9/20/74
1975 - 3/23/75
1976 - 6/3/76
1977 - 10/12/77
1978 - 11/23/78
1979 - 10/25/79
1980 - 9/6/80
1981 - 9/26/81
1982 - 10/10/82
1983 - 4/12/83
1984 - 11/2/84
1985 - 11/21/85
1986 - 4/21/86
1987 - 7/8/87
1988 - 9/16/88
1989 - 6/19/89
1990 - 9/14/90
1991 - 4/28/91
1992 - 6/17/92
1993 - 3/17/93
1994 - 9/17/94
1995 - 6/2/95

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wow, now I could go for another 30 trips box, the first one was soooo cool. I got to say this, What about Gainesville? 1980 show that still has not seen the light of day, the one before and the one after but not Gainesville. So that would be my pick for 1980, for 95, I got to go with 4-1 or 2 or the Birmingham show. 94 Spring any. More but that's just off the top of me head. Again, anything from 67-70 would be mighty fine.

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What about Gainesville? I always thought it was funny that in the 30 trips liner notes from the Lakeland 1980 trip, Dave either on purpose or by sheer coincidence completely ignores Gainesville. Anyway, I always thought that November SE 1980 set ran together better as a group of 4, kind of like 5-5, 5-7, 5-8 and 5-9-1977 FWIW

Also, FWIW just wrapping up 9-26-81 with the Encore on Chuck Berry's B-Day no less. Where'd Weir get that, his trusty almanac? I like the idea of 30 Alternative Trips and I wanted to hear a Shakedown Street, so picked a dead freak curated one for today.

Have a Grateful Day everyone. :-)

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Mornin', rockers!!!

Pick Of The Day: Munich May 18 1972

Just before the supernova Lyceum shows. Quite substantial. Dark Star. Dew. Sing Me Back Home. Underrated and absolutely worth a listen...........

Off to the morgue......

Rock on,

Doc
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Last 5:
Dead 5/18/72
Ellington:
1943-12-11 Carnegie Hall
1945-09-24 New Zanzibar
1948-12-10 Cornell. Now there's a Cornell worth listening to!!! LOL...........
1949-02-xx Hollywood Empire
Simply amazing stuff, maybe I was born too late.............

Munich, what a monster show. Yes, I think I will pop this one in today.

WTJ, I am assuming you listened to a audience version of the September 81 show?

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Went w/ the Chappell Matrix. I'm a sucker for a good matrix and am usually quite satisfied with them. Early 80's benefit most from the matrix treatment imo. Why did Rhino/GDP go with a matrix on DaP 8 and not on the 1980 Lakeland Trip?

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There's nothing like it for me, because you can really hear the nuance. For me today it's 6-17-92 (first half of set II virtually identical to 6-28 Deer Creek) and if I have time on deck is, 12-3-92. I swear I'll get back to E72. Isn't Munich Moses Quasar's favorite? Just like Lille is Bolo's??

:-) :-) :-) It's Friday. Make it Grateful today all!!!!

-edit- What the heck melody is it they're toying with before Jackaroe on 6-17-92 set I?

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Sounded like it could be a jazz standard to me, but TBH my knowledge of classical music is far greater than my jazz chops. Vinny brought some classical chops back to the dead as I listen back. He was pulling out all sorts of Chopin and Beethoven here and there if you listen for it. And now, to chip away at the list. I know I will not be able to get to it all. The nuggets I've extracted thus far are 6-3-76, 6-17-92, 12-3-92, 9-26-81 and 11-23-78 (a couple weeks ago)

Finding I am enjoying Vince's contribution to the band more than I used to. Anyway, Staying Grateful here. 5-18-72 was nice for yesterday. I listen to 5-19-77 all the time. One I don't is 6-4-77. Hmmm. Something I might remedy later :-) :-)¯ :-)

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Yes, 6/4/77, at one point we were searching for the lost soundboard. Not sure if they ever found one or had one returned. The audience is a little rough.

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I thought I read (New Yorker? Nick P. article?) is that one big reason for the matrix release on DaP8 was because of the standout quality of the AUD. But that's 10 years ago, and my memory isn't to be trusted.

But speaking of the Fox, WTJ mentions that 5/19 show! Ahhhh. I, too, have that one in very regular rotation. It was like this back in the day, as set II was the very first tape I ever had from 1977. It was probably 20 years later before I ever heard the first set, and when I finally did it was so lovely to realize it was a cracklin' hot show from start to finish. I was glad that confirm that I hadn't placed a sort of 'newbie bias' on the show simply because it was a really early tape in my collection. I have the May '77 boxset that covers the week before, and it's all good stuff -- but I always come home to 5/19.

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I just realized that I have Don't Let Go in my collection (aka JGB 5/21/76 at the Orpheum) and I've never listened to it. Got it playing now. I see it was a Friday night show, but it's working wonders for my Sunday afternoon. Cheers all

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Good morning, rockers!

Pick Of The Day: Newcastle-under-Lyme, England May 24 1970

They'll always be an England, even if it's in Hollywood…………

A year after the Big Rock Pow Wow and here we are at another festival. From West Hollywood Florida to the Hollywood Festival, it’s the Dead’s first live appearance in Europe, and they deliver a fine show.

Decent amounts of grease. Two big jam sequences. A rare Attics Of My Life. There are some audience patches on circulating copies, but still worth a listen!

England is the paradise of women, the purgatory of men, and the hell of horses…..

Rock on!!

Doc
Whatever was the conduct of England, I am equally arraigned……..

Needed a boost today. Decided to fire up 8/13/1975 or One from the Vault.
Who is with me?

A few years ago I bought the remastered version they put out in 2007, man is it good.

Just love that introduction! The anticipation of breaking into Help on the Way.

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It's been a while since I fired up 1ftv. I have the original GDM cds ripped to my FIIO X5. I'm hitting the road tomorrow so I will definitely tune into that since it has been a while since I did. Anyway, yeah that Bill Graham intro. sets the stage nicely. Are the remastered discs out of order, too? I should do something about that in my digital files....

Thanks for the picks and Have a Grateful Day all. :-)

P.S. DV have you ever been to or heard of the Casey Jones memorial trail near Pipestone? That's somewhere I will be visiting someday since I'm just a state over....

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Out for the afternoon, set this up for this evening. Funny yesterday, thinking of this very one for H/S/F. Dan Healy's intro text ends with: "This represents the beginning of the release of the vault tapes". Who knew, the music never stopped.

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In the top 10 of all-time Dead shows.

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Still hits the spot. Such a unique show and the recording is so good. Thank you Don Pearson and Dan Healy.

When I discovered the Dead in 85 and eventually picked up Blues for Allah, I remember thinking, wow, this release is definitely out there and at the same time so good. I used to have a Blues for Allah tapestry, loved it. I think it was thrown away during our last move.

Anyway, enjoyed the revisit today. Hope you all enjoy it as well.

If you don't have the remastered version, it is worth picking up.

WTJ, I didn't know the song order was off?
Never been to the Casey Jones Trial in Pipestone, but it looks fun.

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This was possibly the first live Dead I heard apart from the Dark Star from Wembley 4/8/72, on the Glastonbury Fayre triple album. About an hour of it was broadcast on the radio, which I taped. I think it was this recording that was then circulated as the bootleg "Make Believe Ballroom." I'll dig it out later - the official recording I mean. It's lasted the distance better than most music from 1975, that's for sure.

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My friends!!!

Pick Of The Day: Lyceum Theater, London May 26 1972

The wise man must remember that while he is a descendant of the past, he is a parent of the future.......

The last show of the great and powerful, best ever Dead tour, and the last classic show with Pigpen still on board. Every show on the tour was a gem, but somehow the band really kicked it into overdrive for this one. Sides five and six of the original release were so intensely burned into our memories during those Saturday night tripping parties in high school, starting when it originally came out in November of 1972. It's been my favorite E72 show since forever, and yes I revisit it frequently. You should too!!!

In fact, I'm going to crank it up, way loud, on my morning commute today..............

The distinction between the past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion...........

Rock on, rockers!!!

Doc
Fear not for the future, weep not for the past......

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According to my DeadBase X after a cursory look, the set break should be after Stronger than Dirt. Around and Around opens set 2. Not sure if there are other differences, but I might sleuth it later.

Stay safe all and Best Wishes. :-) :-) :-)

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Have it going now, how could you pass it up. Disc 3 is some of the best Dead music you will ever hear.

Interesting WTJ, I have never owned a Deadbase.

Enjoy the weekend out there. Finally nice here in MN and plan on enjoying it to the fullest.

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A great sounding show, and one that has grown on me over the years. It doesn't really sound like any other show to me. The first set - second set structure doesn't seem to apply to this one, with Help-Slipknot-Franklins being maybe the highlight of the show, as well as the first numbers played. Great bass on Eyes of the World, and that's only the 5th song of the first set. I'll listen to the rest this evening.

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The Great American Music Hall.
The very first peak into the vault, truly a mysterious wonder in those daze…
Hadn’t heard this in forever. It really doesn’t sound like anything else does it?
Not like WOS 74, and not too much like post hiatus 76? So, in other words, cool sheet Mon!
Fully dug, especially the aural bliss. This one’s so clean extreme volume is easily obtainable lol.
Yassss, the H/S/F is magnificence. The other newbies are clear, precise, and fresh, if not the fully formed transporters they’d grow into. The old standbys are same mo as above, good but…?. After such a long listening absence, fresh perspective noticed the somewhat lack of extension on many of the songs. Remember thinking this would be top shelf if there was only a big, then…then, we get that sweet awesome Allah!!! This is the GD at their finest, matching the spaciest Other One or the scariest DS! I’ve felt and said all along, though they have so many great songs, everybody has songs, only the Dead can pull this otherworldly goodness off, and, not have it just sound like noodling.
Cool pick, fully dug!! And hey, it didn’t require a calendar ; )
Now where did mama hide those cookies up here?

EDIT: oh, can’t forget to mention 2 of my favorite Dead songs here, Stronger Than Dirt, and Sage and Spirit!
Boo yah!

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Yes, I like Stronger Than Dirt and Sage and Spirit a lot, too. Pity they got retired off so soon. I might dig out the cd with the acoustic Sage and Spirit on later - 2nd disc of the cd of "Reckoning". 10/31/80 Radio City, New York. I've got it here, in my hand.