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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • rockthing
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    Will do. Part of the fun for me is analyzing the various audience sources. I'm old fashioned. I still wanna download one for the home collection's virtual tape wall. ;-)

    The show is hot, hot, hot. I wrote a bunch a stuff last night, but I'm holding off to let someone else get a word in edgewise.

    I'd forgotten how much I liked this period. It's a real shame Hornsby couldn't have stuck around. He and Vince made a good team, but Bruce left a deep impression to climb out from. The "solo career" story line feels kinda odd when he could have contributed some great material to The Dead, and an even larger audience. They never did any of his tunes, did they? Can you imagine the jam they could have gotten into on Mandolin Wind?

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    You should check out the latest Miller Rockthing. This is a Healy Pearson and it is spectacular. A+++ for sound quality. Just half through the first set. So good.

    Check it out people.

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    Ah, Shoreline. This sits right at the end of a big gap for me between September of ’90 and June of ’91. Another round of “Thank You”s.

    Nice variety of sources to keep me busy for a bit. Quick peek at the set list, and Black Throated Wind! Lookin’ forward to that! Post Space seems pretty routine, but who knows?

    To start off, I’m A/B/C/Ding the four audience sources on the Archive using Deal as the bar. They never waste any time digging into this number so it makes a good tune to evaluate the sound.

    The Gesine Lohr Audio Technica 815A source reminds me of the old tapes. A lot of mid-range frequencies. Phil is there, but you don’t really feel the bottom end. The sound is kind of nostalgic, though. Everything is perfectly clear, just not quite hi-fi. Coming back to this, I kind of appreciate the more well-defined bass guitar work with this tape. More of the various drums come through clearly as well. With more mid-range comes more piano, so Jerry’s guitar solo is somewhat falling into a wall of sound with Bobby and the keys (not Bobby Keys, though).

    The Schoeps MK4 source sacrifices a bit of sparkle from Jerry’s voice to emphasize the low end of Phil’s bass, which is something that I kind of expected from an MK4 recording. The guitar solo pops up above the band nicely, though, and on a second pass, the bass is less over-powering, and more well-defined than the other MK4 source. The position is listed as section 102. Having never been to Shoreline, well, that doesn’t help me much, but I’m guessing that is not the Official Taper’s Section, nor is it in Front of the sound Board, but maybe someone can help me out on that. I’m starting to take a liking to this source, even though I had initially switched away from it more quickly than any of the others.

    The Daweez Neumann KMF4 pull may be a little brighter than the Schoeps tape, but still has that Phil bass that you feel as much as you hear. On second (actually third or fourth) listening, The Neumann source sounds like it has the mid range frequencies scooped out. There are lots of bright highs, and Phil booms in here and there, but the drums and keys are kind of lost… which, may suit some, but there is a kind of metallic quality to the highs that feels somewhat aggressive to this ear.

    The Front of Board Schoeps MK4 take, though, I think this has the best frequency balance of the AUDs. Goes to show, you don’t ever know. Must be something about the seats, or perhaps the signal chain. The first MK4 source might have used heavier wind screens. Hard to say. Same mics, completely different sound. lol. Whoa, Phil is shaken’ the room. Deep bass in this one, but Jer’s guitar is shining, and Bobby is right there in the mix. If anything, the drums may be getting a little lost. The keys are coming in and out of the mix, as usual, really. This has both Bruce and Vince, right? The last three recordings have a lot more bass than the first, but it is much less well defined. It kind of booms. Even though the bass is kind of a puddy of low-end, it somehow does not interfere with the other instruments.

    The more I A/B the two Schoeps sources, the less I can tell them apart. lol (T_T) The second source has less info and a CDR generation in the lineage, but somehow feels more… I don’t know, “alive,” as if I can get a better audio picture of the space. I hear more of the venue, but in a good way. It feels more like I’m there, rather than listening to a recording. The similarities in these recordings are many, but the differences are almost hallucinatorily fleeting. I’m going with ID 9402 Schoeps source attributed to O’Connor. I must say, this Deal has kept me entertained throughout this comparison process. Eleven minutes of smoking’ Deal? Don’t mind if I do!

    The only disadvantage of picking up the older submission is that it isn’t Y2K-proofed, and also comes ask SHN, rather than FLAC. No audio quality difference, just a little more trouble to convert for me, and that’s all on me.

    I’ve not yet listened to the latest and greatest Miller SBD transfer.

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    Yes! For sure Shoreline 91 sounds fantastic for tomorrow. Thanks Jim.

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    "5/12/91 for Tomorrow?" Sounds good.

    Just a few last impressions from 11/18/78

    The instrument/voice balance is definitely much better by It's All Over Now.

    I think the thing that seems unusual about the Scarlet/Fire, other than the clean cut which may be a result of the Archive's streaming system. There's always a short loading gap between songs.

    I was thinking that the jam at the end of Scarlet Begonias seems especially sparse, and then I started wondering where Phil was? There isn't a whole lot of deep bass in this recording, so that may be it. Not sure. I like Donna's off mic reaction to some strange noise that Bobby (presumably) made by accident. ...Ah, I got to the Fire patch. That's the cut that was mentioned. It sometimes feels a touch lackadaisical, but that sort of thing suits the transition into Fire.

    Miracle is ON, right out of the gate. No teething problems with this one. Just struck me that it sounds like Jerry's already using some kind of distortion/fuzz effect on his guitar here. I'm a bit of a gear nut. I'm gonna hafta look into that.

    Dayum. This Other One is waaay out there. Love it! The drummers totally running with it, complimenting the gooey, stretched out psychedelicized sense of time created by the guitarists with a frenzied lysergic background buzz. Still pre-Beast if I recall correctly, but plenty to keep the Rhythm Devils busy... and busy they are. Did someone say, "Go man."? "I knew you were about to come on."? This really is the beauty of the board tapes. Occasionally you get a glimpse into the verbal communication that goes on between band members. They're always talking to one another a lot more than I used to imagine. It wasn't till I started watching how much conducting Phil used to do that this aspect of their playing became evident. Things changed a lot when Phil started taking a less active role in the spontaneous orchestration during shows, I suppose.

    Ollin Arageed, what a nice treat. A little hold over from the Egyptian Vacation. 12/19 is the only post Egypt '78 show I've got in my library, and sadly I couldn't tell you anything about it right now. From there it's to the Godchaux's farewell show, and then Brent's debut or somewhere thereabouts. Again, thank you for filling in this rather sparse zone in my listening experience.

    The word I keep coming back to while listening to this show is "beautiful". I was about to use it again to describe the Wharf Rat. Keith is doing some really nice fill-in stuff between the vocals here. Certainly a sight better than his contribution at Giza (yikes!). .... oops... everybody completely missed Billy's cue to start the ending there. LOL. Oh, well. Carry on lads. :P

    Love how the transition to Sugar Mag thoroughly cross fades. That's brilliant how they kept a bit of Wharf Rat alive while slowly letting Sugar Magnolia develop. A lot of times Jer'll drop the intro of the next song and the others just stop what they're doing immediately for a couple bars instead of letting the songs blend. Sometimes it feels forced when Jerry does it that way, but this one is just about perfect, for my ears.

    One More Saturday Night was one of the more predictable Dead tunes, and I reckon if you were on tour it probably got kind of repetitive, but from a song-writing point of view, IMO this is one of Bob's best songs. It's the kind of built-to-be-a-show-stopper that I wish I could write someday.

    Ok, fast-forward a decade or so to 1991!

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    I haven't heard this one.. but I believe the run was well recorded.

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    Had a chance to stream the Miller sbd last night when I got home, but exhaustion prevented me from hearing it to the end. Early on the recording is so vocal heavy that I can barely make out what the band is doing without riding the volume control.

    Me and My Uncle is in full disco mode. When was it that Bobby introduced it as a Polka? Was that before or after this? I'm confused. At any rate, it sure ain't a Polka here. I like these Rhinestone Cowboy versions, perhaps knowing that they aren't forever.

    There were several comments about song placement, and that El Passo following Sugaree, and there having already been an Uncle > River seems a bit odd, but they had not yet settled into the one cowboy couplet per set routine yet, had they?

    It's All Over Now in the first set, though. That feels odd.

    From the Heart of Me is so beautifully done. I recall Jerry doing lots of really fast runs between vocal lines, but was not taking notes. This is a real gem.

    By the time Music Never Stopped rolled around, I realized that the mix seemed to have been brought to balance between the vocals and other instruments. From the Heart of Me had also benefited from an improvement in this area. Music Never Stopped, though. Wow. This is where the show really gets started. I think someone else already mentioned that. The whole first set is superbly played, but as became the norm the first set closer serves as a precursor to the second set with some nice group improv. Definitely wanna go back to check this out again.

    The Scarlet/Fire second set opener picks up right where TMNS left off. This is another track I want to return to. There seemed to be a somewhat different quality to this one, but at the moment I can't put my finger on it. Another highlight, but it's rare that this pairing is not a highlight.

    The early second set Miracle is definitely another interesting set choice, as pretty much everyone already said. I kept an ear out for the ending jam that was mentioned, and yes, why was there never more of that? I suppose once it settled into its post-space rave-up role, there wasn't much left on the table to fool around with.

    From this point on, I was drawn into the darkness of sleep. I think I'll restart this at It's All Over Now tomorrow and listen to the end again. The recording balance seemed to have improved by the end of the first set, and I missed the whole finale.

    Thanks for another interesting recommendation!

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    Nice call on this show Bluecrow. Really good sound quality and great show. Late 78 is so different than the rest of the year. Love these early Stagger Lees and I Need a Miracle. Nice Scarlet Fire. Great second set .Probably will be a while before we get any late 78 shows released, but I am ready.

    Jim, yes, let's hit up some 91. Send us a pick.

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    Good to hear. I've been a bit busy lately and I thought I might have been careless with something I wrote.. so all is good with the universe.. a great way to start the week.

    Missed the 78 yesterday, by late this afternoon I should be on track and have some free time. Not complaining though, I needed the and today will mark the 8th day in a row I've had river time. My listening has been heavily tilted to what was already loaded on my waterproof devices with a sprinkle of what they are pumping in the SiriusXM Grateful Dead channel. 1970 (Harpur and FE), 1972 - 1974, 84 and 85. Listened to a bit of 5/10/91 today in the truck.. I think we hit that one a year or so here. Definitely releasable, good quality audio and a good show. Perhaps we could hit another show from that run which includes Hornsby. The previous run, Cal Expo, was good also but alas.. it was sans Brucey.

    In any case.. keep on keeping on the good vibes and good picks. Looks like we are off to a great start to the new week.

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    I first listened to this about time PITD was on the 11/24 video. Well played show, really nice sounding board even though its a couple generations down. There are a couple of poorly timed gaps (Fire, Olin Arageed come to mind.) What really perked my ears and brain up was the second set. Tasty Scarlet > Fire, and then that strange set placement of an early Miracle following that and wow Miracle has a blazing extended outro jam (where was that most of the time?) into a sweet He's Gone, followed by a pre-drumz Other One that has some crazy good space as it leads into drums. I really dig this show, this era, and it doesn't hurt that this was in the Uptown Theatre (hometown, though I was elsewhere at the time). Really hope the other two nights surface in similar sound quality and that the masters of this show don't have those gaps. Gotta run. Take care everyone.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Crumbs...sorry, I wasn't expecting that for an answer. Thanks for the heads up - nice that them upstairs read these posts.

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I really liked this one. Part of that may have been a good focused late night listen. Mix was slightly different with more Bob, maybe less Keith? That highlighted by Bob's interesting work in China>Rider too. They attempted to slow the tempo in the Rider part but not everyone caught the drift there. Maybe I liked it for the set list and song order again which I found appealing in more than one of the tour so far. It does seem to be the difference some times in what I perceive as a good show. Highlights: Loser, Big Boss Man, TOO which was extended and very spacey (one part had the cat looking at me like WTF?) in the first go, then a little jazzy Keith, then a lengthy somewhat quiet interlude before >Bobby McGee>TOO again. Maybe the best Sing Me Back Home so far of the tour. And a sweet but shorter Sugar Mag> NFA> GDTRFB> NFA again to end. Again DeadbaseX way off with setlist out of order and missing songs. Not really counting on that being right anymore. Still plugging away with Rotterdam next but may get stalled Mon. - Tue. with a trip to the Four Corners region. Need us some slickrock and petroglyphs before the weather starts turning.
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Edit: 5-11-72 Rotterdam. Jeez- Louise! I can see why Oro said this might be his favorite EU72. The whole 1st set is at that slow, let's get this perfect pace and is another killer set that starts with a Playin' so you know it's going to be good. Then this 2nd set starts with a Dew and is monumental with the best DS so far and one that is now in my top 5 of all time and the 2nd set jammed portion runs like 75 minutes! The final Caution/Who Do You Love is a great way to end that song's run. I googled best show of EU72 and this one came up often and is in the top 3 or 4 in most lists. Just a wowzer.

NIIIIICCCCCEEEE! Glad to hear you liked 5/11 1stshow. Yeah not exactly sure why that one always resonates so well for me. I hate “favorites” (like the Jim philosophy: last one heard is the favorite etc) and this tour has so many RJs is damn near impossible for me, but this one always just pops into my head when I think of E72!
I’m sure the set list is part of it as you mention in why you liked 5/10 etc, and yes, that Dark Star is mos def RJ!

Though I really dug the 5/18 DS too, hell, who am I kidding, all these DS are top shelf!
I’ve had this show and have definitely spent time with the DS, but it was nice to dig deeper into the rest!
Actually got to give this one a good sit down listen on the big boy stereo, always a plus ; )
Not sure what it was about Germany, but they seemed to step it up each night.
We get another DS but pared nicely here with a decent Dew. Sing Me as part of double encore was nice.
Another nice but rare You Win Again, shame they didn’t keep on with that one? oh, a Sitting On Top!
That was a nice fun addition if not mind blowing.
A reminder of another thing I’ve noticed on the tour: it’s most definitely not the 60s Dead anymore, but they still have those flashback moments, they can still totally get that vibe and energy, and at times, if it wasn’t for the completely different sound they’ve cultivated, you might think it’s the 60s. (Besides the DS/TOO weirdness!)
But it’s not, so they throw down more stellar versions of the new stuff and a perhaps light, but satisfying side o grease.

Ah snap, I skipped 5/16 lol. Well, at this point they are all starting to roll into one, but that becomes helpful when you do hear a particular hot version of something as it seems to stand out enough to distinguish itself from the mob…
Don’t recall much of that on 5/16, just yet another solid well played beauty. First time for this one so I gave it multiple whirls streaming at work. Certainly they were trying to reign it in a bit and keep it tight being on world radio broadcast, though as the tour rolls on nearer the conclusion, I have noticed a loosening up occasionally and perhaps slightly more imperfections, but that’s really taking a hard micro look as even with occasional blemishes these shows are all so good. Of course they had to get at least a little weirdness out there with another trippy TOO. Wonder what that would have been like: to randomly turn on your radio to THAT! Lol.
Interestingly, no Good Lovin again, probably due to time restraints, or the fear of Pig getting to spicy on the radio lol.

Continuing in a haze now with 5/23. I’ve had a copy of this, but it’s missing some tracks and seemed to have songs mixed in from other shows or some weirdness, so I stopped near end of first set and started over streaming. Interesting show as they continue to mix it up and add some new/old stuff in for variety. I didn’t get the best listen in, but it seemed a tiny bit subdued? I don’t know, can’t come up with right word, so I’ll,project. They seem like their relaxing just a bit like they know they’ve got some good stuff in the can so can mix it up and let go a bit? Or not,…? definitely need to hit this again later, but honestly getting burnt not so much on this Dead as not hearing any other eras. Too each their own but I can’t just listen to one kind of Dead exclusively, but that’s just me. But whatever, another great DS/Dew, perhaps a slightly more polished Dew? Oh oh oh, Mr Kotter, can’t forget the best Comes a Time so far, another fun Sittin On Top!,
They mix it up with a fun Rockin Pneumonia (dedicated to my cousin Eecktar who’s currently laid up in a Hawaiian hospital with pneumonia and Covid as he’s been their working on some recording studio).
As I say, not the best listen but all good, another enjoyable show!
Ok, on to 5/24. This has been an elusive one. I remember being a POTD but only could find aud copy so skipped it, actually a couple times, but today we’re soldiering on and gonna finish it. Since I’ve heard so much about this one I’ll probably give it multiple whirls and check it out on Spotify at work (for better audio) for a couple days before I move on to the big 5/25 beast. So that’s where I’ll be for a bit, until next time,
ONWARD!

EDIT: Ha who says there’s no Dead heads in this tour! Ya can hear one singing and humming along at points on this 5/24 aud lol so there was at least one, and Murphy’s law he’s standing right near the mics lol

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I can lose my mind, so to speak, in any show from E72, and a whole lot of shows outside that tour over the many years, but that Rotterdam Dark Star > Sugar Mag > Caution > Trucking > Uncle John's will always be one my favorite passages from any show, any era.

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Yes that 5-11 show is my new favorite. That just exactly perfect pace and performances on the 1st set matched with the killer 2nd set does it all. Everyone in fine voice and harmonies as well. I knew it was going to be good when the first song was Playin' and the first song of the second set was Dew. This show alone could have filled the EU72 album all by itself and wouldn't have shorted us one bit.
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In some ways the E72 seems like the last tour that nodded back to the 60's. The Caution jam seems to conjure up the old psychedelic vibe the most. Both Dark Star and The Other One sounded very different from how they had sounded in 1969. An incredible transformation for both songs.
Although they brought back songs from Aoxomoxoa after 1974, they too had lost the psych vibe by then. As had everything else, come to that.

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Enjoyed the revisit of 9/18/1987 at MSG Jim. If you ever watch any shows from 1987 you can see Jerry trying to find his form. Looking back I still can't believe how much they toured right after his coma.

Looking at 11/7/1987 Oakland for today if there is any interest out there.

Still think we will get a 91 show released soon. Although the talk is 1988 is coming soon.

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stMade it to the halfway point, but they started playing 10/18/74 on SiriusXM, so I hit pause. They were out of the gate with a bang. High energy opener with some Healy vocal distortion on Hey Pockey Way. Nice high energy Jack Straw too. I never made it to the Kaiser.. caught news years at the Auditorium, never the Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center.

Man, Jerry's tone on that October 74 run, just love it.

I'll hit the second set later this afternoon.

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I heard on the YouTube broadcast from the In Groove in Phoenix, AZ that Without A Net is coming to vinyl November 17, 2023 as a Brick n Mortar release.

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Good, because I finished the quest on Saturday with a sit down listen to 5/26/72.
Bad, because everything lately is a blur, so the multiple times I hit 5/24 and 5/25 are now also a blur, so I’ll try to remember some of the standouts?
5/24: variety pack = Cold Rain and Snow, Dire Wolf, Only Black Peter, You Win Again, Rocking Pneumonia, and Lovelight. Most were good with Win Again and Hurts Me Too making the album cut!
The second set sequence they do step it up, and I liked the shorter LL, sadly, Pigs last…
I hadn’t heard this show before so I did hit it multiple times, though didn’t get a great listen in…
Generally, by now, they’ve totally melded and though perhaps early on in this show you might catch a slightly passed the peak vibe, but not sure hearing it alone, out of sequence and/or casually listening you’d notice. Still mostly full on magnificent.
Part of my problem deciphering is how much these shows do sound alike, sure their all different and have unique nuances, but after so many in a row, they all sorta roll into one…
5/25/72: this one seemed like it took a bit to build up from good to RJ…, but certainly did!
Of course the second set sequence was superb, and benefited from the tour unique UJB> Warf Rat> DS> Mags variety mix. Other Variety pack songs= Another awkward Promised Land, a sweet Brokedown, the aforementioned UJB and Rat, with unfortunately the last Sitting on top (another farewell to that 60s pyscho style/energy), and a sweet Sing Me Back Home! The Dark Star of course was RJ (have you ever heard a 72 DS that wasn’t lol), and a nice slightly different GDTRFB/One Mo Saturday finale. Sadly Pigs last Good Lovin, perhaps a bit abbreviated due to fatigue, and an unusual only four songs on the night…
5/26/72: some call this the greatest Dead show ever, not sure I’d say that, but it is a beast!
Only did one listen on this one as I’ve had it, gave it a sit down, and honestly, I’m just burned out. Both in general, which unfortunately didn’t help my tour burnout. But I’ve enjoyed every note, and this one didn’t disappoint either!
Not so much variety, and sadly, only 3 helpings of grease, perhaps due to some being repeated at least a couple times here at the end: Promised Land, Dire Wolf, nice Cumberland, Sugaree returns after more regular play early on, same with Loser, and of course THE Dew! Another sweet Sing Me, and another OMG second set sequence that is definitely RJ! It’s all most too much, when some shows, they basically play another small set AFTER these big powerful sequences, but here they do it again, though why they had to repeat Me&My Uncle yet again I’m not sure? They just did it a year before on Skullfuck so why use up so many slots on this tour that might have made room for another, possibly THE version of something different to make it to vinyl?
Anywho, A great show and proper fitting ending to one of the all time greatest tours! They Hit most of the usual suspects of the tour, and even managed to nail some album worthy versions, including that magnificent Dew!
Oh, and how could I not mention the consistently hot PITBs, everyone RJ fo sho…

Well, this was bittersweet. I’m glad I finally went for it even if the timing was poor and I didn’t feel I went as deep as I usually do when hitting a tour. But I did hit every show in order, including a few I hadn’t gotten to yet, though I did miss some of 4/7 and 4/8 which I’m going to do this week, perhaps with a couple other partial rehashes, though I really need to hear some other Dead for a much needed cleanse…
I’ll, prolly think of more insights, but for now I’ll just comment on something I kept thinking of that DR said awhile back about post Pig Dead. After hitting all those amazing but long 73 box shows, then hitting all these amazing but long 72s,
Pigs departure really did affect the flow and energy of those long shows. As awesome as those 73 shows are, they can sometimes be a bit monotonous, so they definitely miss not having those little Pig interludes to break things up, keep things moving, add more variety, and give an occasional energy boost. It also made me think a lot about what if Pig hadn’t checked out? By this point in their trajectory perhaps the overly long repetitive nature of LL and Good Lovin, and the old, overripe straight blues numbers, maybe needed to take a break, but think of all the sweet alternatives they were coming up with that just shown so brightly on this tour: Hurts Me Too, Mr Charlie, China Town, 2 Souls, and some old chestnuts like Lied Cheated and Big Boss Man. And who can forget the few but enjoyable Cautions, a tour highlight for me personally.
You have to wonder what if…what if he was healthy and kept writing and growing as a writer etc?
I think he would have had to have grown as a byproduct of just being in the band and how they kept changing etc.
He may have transitioned from being the main focus, but there probably would have been some monumental new stuff that might even have been better, but alas we’ll never know…
Well, hopefully we didn’t lose ole 1stshow in some unknown rural border jail lol, and he’ll fill us in on his travails.
Until next time, keep it forward, never straight…and get yo self a shotgun and a pocketful of shells ; )

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5-16-72 Lille: Lively, despite sound issues early on. Again every song played well. Energetic, these guys are durable! Classic Truckin' with Jerry going off on it. The TOO seems advanced for '72, short but completely fully developed. Some of this tour's TOOs rival Dark Stars in this regard. Best yet TOO? It's a contender. Hurts Me Too was stellar.

5-16-72 Luxembourg: Were those first two a sound check? The treatment of Big River I could see as a regular thing but sadly no. Almost starts like the '77 intros to Jack-a-Roe, and Bob gets an interesting part not seen later. Radio broadcast maybe quickened the pace on many 1st set songs? The TOO not nearly up to the level of the other Other Ones. A short and sweet show as I'm finishing the usual NFA> GDTRFB> NFA ending now. How many kinds of radio bandwidths did Europe have back then?

A shout out to Bluecrow who clued us in on some easy to get to petroglyphs in the front yard of his San Juan River, Utah cave up in the hills. A friend of the devil is a friend of mine. Fantastic stuff and an inspiring place for sure. I'm rejuvenated and ready to cruise through the rest of EU72.
Cheers

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Nice work OB and Firstshow. What a feat! I am sure you both will need a break. It is quite the box. Not sure if they will ever put another box like this with a full tour.

Go Twins. They are due. They have lost 18 straight playoff games.

This vinyl was part of the big box "The Story of the Grateful Dead". I almost ordered it, then checked the box and there it was. So if you already have the box,,, UB set on Without a Net.

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It gets an A for overall vibe.

I did revisit 4/7, 5/11 and 5/26. First, I always held Rotterdam in the highest regard but giving a relisten to the whole show and man, start to finish it's great. So is 5/26 but unlike Oro I have tried really hard not give this too many listens. When you finally hear that suite in the second set, in it's whole it's more like a symphony than a rock and roll show. Nothing leads, nothing follows it just flows, moody, brawling, reflective, sad and hopefull from minute to minute. 5/7 is another other big favorite. I think I like 5/3 a bit more than a few. I like to listen to 5/4 with 5/3, 5/10 with 5/11, etc. It's hard to discount the final four shows of the tour too.

I also fit in the 85 Red Rocks show the folks at the DaP 47 thread were howling about (8/7/85). A fine little show with some memorable highlights.

I agree with the comments on 73 v 72 also. To me, when they took off in January off, they left behind the smooth continuity of 72. They had a really good show and set structure going and the new Wake and other material they brought into the fold took some time to gain it's footing.
The beginning of the year was rebuilding, where are going to put Let Me Sing Your Blues away and You Ain't Woman Enough for example. A little of this disjointedness continued into '74. Nonetheless, '74 was the polished version of this era and direction of the band with their new Grateful Dead Records material.

Speaking of which.. David Gans played this passage from I think January 73 on the radio a month or two ago. It was a really good performance of King Bee I had never heard before. Supposedly, it was lifted from a practice session. Any guesses to who sang vocals? I was kinda floored by it.

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Not Phil, It sounded an awful lot like Pigpen, but not quite. I was thinking it was a stand in or guest or something.
I arrived at my destination and had to turn off my truck before they said anything about who was singing.

I guess it was Pigpen, it was just a rehearsal and I suspect he showed up or tried to practice with the band. It was very good, especially Jerry's solos. Perhaps the last thing he did with the GD which is why it sounded different?

Has anyone else heard of this? They did say it was from January or February 73.

I have never heard it Jim. Interesting.

Okay, here is a pick, 1/30/78, Uptown Theater. Can't remember if we ever hit this one, so if we did apologies in advance.

And go Twins. First playoff win since 2004 and first series win since 2002. A long time ago. On to Houston!

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Legend has it that if you click your heels together three times while saying "There's no place like Lille" during the Phil thunderclap intro to The Other One, Bolo himself will post once again on POTDWD.

1/30/78 - fine choice DV - 1st show of excellent run at the mighty Uptown Theatre. My 1stShow mere days later in Dane Co.

Jim - trick question indeed! No record of it on the GDHour that I see.

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Sublime but lively and complex, deep but spare, acoustic but dynamic, smart but not preachy, harmonious but challenging.
Best I've heard in a long while.
On Spodify under Martin Eden. Albums titled "2020" and "2021"

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I can't recall hitting this one. This is an interesting period for the GD. Jerry's voice was still flying at half mast, but he often made up for it in the ferocity of his playing.

I'll get to it shortly.

In hindsight, perhaps we were too hard on GOGD for keeping track of us all and the picks. Hope he is alright.... As for Bolo, we know exactly where he is. Either Ukraine or behind enemy lines keeping an eye on Count Vlad.

Rumor has it, if you slip Count Vlad 1000 MCGs of pure LSD, the war will end within 3 days.

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I love the artwork for that show. Just sayin'

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I didn’t have it marked in my DB 10, but I quit keeping track awhile back…so ?
I know we hit the show before DaP 23.
So I gave this one a quick listen and JG is still perhaps on the mend but not too bad…
Overall decent, but perhaps not quite the fury and greatness of April shows?
Love Phil calling out the overzealous security holes…
Yeah, would love a spring 78 box with more of those awesome Betty’s just rotting in the vault…
Good job DV, certainly a much needed different direction after all that E72 lol.

Go VIKS! Man so many games they just miss it by “this” much! Enough to drive a fan to drink ; )

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“Now for something completely different”
Like another off of Dave’s list “that does not exist” lol
3/29/93 through Stranger currently, Jer sounds like he’s ready?

Need a cleanse before I hit the WOTF bonus etc…

EDIT: not a barn burner but an all around well played show. I can see whey Dave likes this one.
Maybe it’s just getting older but I sometimes find myself liking the relaxed feel of these later shows. The industrial sound isn’t as distracting as it was, and some of the songs are perhaps even more relatable now? i.e., Lazy River

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5-18-72 Munich: Highlights for me were the ones not played every EU72 show like Hurts Me Too, You Win Again, and Sittin' On Top Of The World. Nice Dark Star> Morning Dew as well. Took me a while to get started again on this project after a week off, but no other tunes snuck in there in between except my usual Night Music on classical public radio to doze off to. But I was tempted when BC said Dane County '78 was his 1stShow. Got to be my favorite Dick's Pick. I know Marye likes it too (or was that Bolo; no he'd be speaking in the 3rd person about himself, not a good thing) as it was her nomination for our 1stPOTDWD, 7273 comments ago! Wow, we've come a long way since then haven't we?
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In EU72. And the one in 5-23-72 Lyceum is now in my top 10 of all time. This is another killer show on par with the best of the tour. Likely in my top 5 of the tour when all is said and done. That Sittin' on Top of the World into Rockin' pneumonia tops off a great 1st set with another Two Souls that is the fantastic slow down song of the tour (with of course the new He's Gone). I never really caught on to some of Pig's songs until this tour. As Oro said, what could have been had he lived. But this "Dahk Stah!" is damn near perfect in my book. So well executed with all the frills and none of the excesses that sometimes make me wait for the rest of the good stuff. Classic disassembly - chaos - order and Jerry just goes off on it! Followed by Dew where Jerry is using his guitar as voice perfectly. Comes A Time is situated in just the right spot too then the cold start GDTRFB> NFA is so polished by now and they throw Hey Bo Diddley at it as if it was in the plan since 3-25-72 Academy of Music. Almost Jerry rap there. I loved this show as you can tell by now.
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I like fact that the short songs Pigpen sang during E72 added variety and a blues/soul feel to first sets. They never really got that back after he went. Not that convincingly, any way.
I also rate 5/23/72 very highly. And 26th - off the scale !

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Really enjoy this show, thanks DV. Repeated listenings over last few days, particularly Set II, on it again right now. I agree with Jim that Jerry's voice still seems a bit fragile but his heart is clearly there when he sings. The Latvala source sounds particularly fine. Some highlights to my ears from Set II. Estimated > Eyes, with a sweet Eyes intro (not quite as jammed out as 2/3 Dane Co.) and nice extended soloing between verses. The Stella Blue is exquisite, a top shelf version, and wonder of wonders it segues into the rare and super special "untethered" late second set Franklins Tower. An amazing song to hear after that Stella. By untethered, I mean not part of H/S/F. Another shining example of course is 7/8/78. The last H/S/F until 1983 was on Fall '77 tour (10/11), and by Fall '78 Franklin's was generally paired with 1/2 Step as a first set opening combo.

Not just the first show of the run but the Dead's first at the Uptown in their short but storied history with the venue - 17 shows in just over 3 years. A close friend saw all but 1 of those. Last concert played at the Uptown was JGB 11/17/81 (IWT). At the time another friend told me there was rumor that the Dead were thinking of buying the theatre - seems a stretch but who knows. The Uptown still stands, waiting restoration.

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Hey BC, I agree this is a solid show. So close to your first, great time period to get started. They played so many great shows, can't believe I have never heard this one. Will have to check out the other two nights as well. Always love a Dire Wolf, solid Peggy O, It's All Over Now, Deal.
Enjoyed the second set Estimated, Eyes, with some extended weirdness at the end, Stella Blue and that solid Franklins. Good finish with Around and Around and JBG.

OB, did you get a chance to check out the Relix interview with DL from September?
1-4, complete disarray.

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Still can't believe the 11/20/71 shows up on the order status before they have released the information on the show. Good work from JoeyMC for poking around.

If we think the 11/20 show will take up discs one and two, what will be on disc 3?

We should know soon.

Maybe Dave will give us four shows from the 1980's next year. You never know what he will do next.

Speaking of 71, I should go back and listen to the 11/17/71 show from Albuquerque, Dave's #26. Who is with me?

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...for once I finish EU72 tomorrow.
Have a lot to catch up on.
11-17-71
12-4-71 on JOTW from Sept. 8-14
and all these chunks from Taper's Sept.-Oct.:
12-31-76
4-25-77
5-28-77
12-31-77
And maybe those two chunks of K.C. 7-3-84 too for dessert.
Bonus points: 1-30-78
Cheers

Edit: And the new, old GD Hour looks nice too, 5-25-74.

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It only took me as long to listen to them all as the band took to play them all, like six weeks, lol. How many tours, especially this big, can you say every show was great? My learning curve items include: Pigpen's organ playing added so much to so many songs. Keith really shining, and he has a perfect beer barrel style for the Pigpen songs. The Playin's developed nicely throughout the tour (as did the new He's Gone) and ended with a cool 23 minute one. New appreciation for Two Souls and Sing Me Back Home. The Cautions were a treat. The TOOs were as well developed as the Dark Stars and in some ways almost interchangeable in the setlists. Many of both of these two songs are now in my top 10s of that song. I seem to remember two jams had a Mind Left Body or Beautiful Jam section as well. How did they pare it down to the 3-LPs? So many great songs that didn't make the cut. I have a stack of post-it notes an inch thick from the shows but re-reading them has not helped me pick a top 5 so here are some favorites in no particular order that are in the running:
4-7-72 Wembley
5-3-72 Paris
5-11-72 Rotterdam
5-13-72 Lille (best TOO?)
5-23-72 London ( best Dark Star?)
5-26-72 London
Honorable mentions include:
4-14-72 Tivoli
4-26-72 Frankfurt
4-29-72 Hamburg
5-7-72 Bickershaw
But really you just cannot go wrong with any show on this phenomenal tour.
So glad I took the plunge!
Cheers and special thanks to all you mentors out there.

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It's a time commitment... but so worth it.

DVikes, I hit up Dave's 26 pretty hard this summer, it was on one of my river devices so it came up randomly throughout the summer until I lost use of an arm.

It's dusk and I just finished a three day craze of too much shit to fast and no rest. I am going to peel off this electronic device on my shoulder my PT guy makes me use, put on 10/12/84 and do a little soak in the hot tub. I might even bring a beverage of choice, which is a real treat because I have been cutting back recently.

So GD, good earphones and a relaxing state of mind.. what could possibly go wrong?

Thanks to all for keeping life just a little better than if you were not here.

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10/12/84 looks interesting. I am going to check it out. Thanks Jim.

And it is the 84 30 Trips show to boot. Where is my brain.

Stay well out there and Tuesday we will find out what will be on Disc 3 for 48.

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Whole tours are a commitment and can be grueling, but I find it’s the best way to get deep!
You summed it up pretty good.
And another great part of this achievement is how fresh other stuff sounds, although some not so much after the overall consistent magnitude of E72.

So my lasts post tour Dead, prolly not in order is:
3/29/93: about as far from 72 as I could get lol.
Decent show, better neighbors perhaps?. Off the “list” that doesn’t exist.
11/1/73: nice, but what a tease…
12/9/79: good but not great…better than 31…
11/17/71: awight
1/30/78: decent, but not quite April yet…
9/24/88: meh. Among other, JG sounds beat/shot…
10/11&12/83: nice revisit since initially acquired
11/1/85: (m/o), didn’t get to finish. I need more 85!
10/14/83: personal 40th anniversary today, will hit 10/15 mañana.
Always nice to remember this one. Big day for this tenderfoot…still feel recording doesn’t do justice, but it’s also perhaps lost a bit of the original shine as I’ve listened to so much other Dead over the years?
However it ranks, it’ll always be a top shelfer as far as nostalgia, and man what a story lol.
Kinda in a weird music phase, so not sure where/what I’ll get into next?
I’m going to skip the 84 for now as I hope to hit 84 hard next year in keeping with my years that end in same number as current year for primary focus, and that year plus or minus 5 for secondary. So 74, 84, 94 next year for prime, and 69, 79, 89 for secondary…

Yep DV, I did check that out, but had forgot, so thanks for the reminder to read it again lol.
I’ve heard his history before, but still fascinating how easy it sometimes was to end up working in or around the Dead.
And though I don’t think there’s a master chart on some boardroom wall, I don’t believe he’s just randomly picking stuff either. No list lol, “mmhhmmmmmm, I don’t think so”
We know he’s been hitting the “possible wish list” that was posted back when DaP started!
Sure he doesn’t go hard or obvious, but he has gone to that well significantly, which is fine, but this no list stuff sounds like no set list mythology ; )

BLUECROW: I just knew you’d be all over the eclipse today, especially where yer at!
We had about 80% here, but still pretty cool. Good Sheet Mon!

Oh, finished reading Heads this WE. Pretty interesting, we ARE, everywhere!
Big kudos to our very own Den Mother Mary the pioneer! Right On!

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Finished my catching up with all the JOTW and Taper's.
No whole shows just yet. Got slowed down by, I think, the flu. Had my shot weeks ago, WTF.
Played my new John Hartford LP, Aereo Plain. Said to be the first Newgrass in '71.
Excellent players including Vassar. Liner notes blew up my picture of him. Said he had fallen out of favor in Nashville as being unreliable and prone to recreational drugs by then. Said the younger players like Hartford and Jerry brought him back on the scene. Even in '71 they called him the Flying V as he liked cocaine apparently. Still my favorite fiddler bar none. Followed up Hartford with Old & in the Way. Just exactly perfect.

BC was it quiet there or some eclipse tourists? I read the Dine' treat it with reverence and don't work, eat, or do much other than quiet reflection to honor the death of the sun. Other tribes not so much. Others have some strange stories about little people and even frogs that tie in.

Cheers all

For some reason my post regarding the eclipse, Aereo-Plain, etc. is being blocked by the pinche security function on this site. literally nothing that could be construed as linque etc. very frustrating.

Maybe later. Enjoy the rest of the weekend folks! May your beer be tasty and football team victorious.

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Over on the DaP47 thread he says he tries dozens of times and it almost never works and that may be why it isn't so busy here at the threads anymore. Giving him credit for the pun, "that's why this forum is so dead". Touche. I think we must get blacklisted or something for multiple tries? I seem to have had good luck for years and I weirdly almost never get picture crapchas to solve. No telling with GD IT.
Synchronicity file item: I was planning to watch the movie Noah tonight long before I read his name on 47.
Cheers

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Yes, I have been having the same issues. Had to delete a bunch and start over and in most cases just move on. No idea what is going on.
Go Bills, they squeaked one out tonight.
So did the Vikings.

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Had one last week that had nothing wrong but wouldn’t post.
After wasting a bunch of time, got pissed a quit…
Pphhheeeww,, da Bills squeaked that one out Viking style DV!
I’m too old for this shite lol

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It seems like once a post is flagged, no matter what you do it will not take. Best to reboot and try the next day. If you try and edit a problem post to the simple word Hello.. it still will not let it go through.

Woke up way before dawn this am.. weather in the 40's and drizzling, since I couldn't get to sleep, I hit the second set of 10/19/73 with headphones and took a little outdoor soak. It has been years since I listened to this one. The Dark Star>MLB>Morning Dew was just as it's always been. Jerry was a little reedy on the vocals but after a pleasant Dark Star, a spectacular instrumental piece in MLB, a little mischievous discord and the beginning of the Dew, Phil supercharged things with a tremendous burst of energy in the first solo which led to a delightful second solo and transition to Sugar Magnolia.

Just like I remembered it with the end of the show coming into focus just as the sun oozed through the clouds. What a band, what a show, what a Dickus Pickus. Roasted a little coffee and started my day.... Not a bad way to get over a little spell of unexpected sleeplessness. It sure beats watching the news (although the crescendo of the Dew seems to foreshadow the coverage)

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Sounds sweet Jim!
10/19/73 has always been a fav/top DP for me!
Another one I can’t necessarily say why, but it always rises above for me?
Kinda like 3/28/73 in the DaP series…and 5/11/72 from that tour…
Planing on hitting 10/19 soon, if/when I can find the “right” time…
Also looking forward to 10/21 and 10/22/83 next WE.
(Personal 40th for 10/22, but haven’t checked that one out much, so due)
So much Dead, so little time…
Hitting 1/31/78 and 2/1/78 today to finish that run out while I do housework.
So far, 1/31 perhaps a step ahead of 1/30?
ONWARD,

I'll follow you down that rabbit hole this weekend. Springfield is due too, the show with the awesome disc 3.

A surprisingly productive day, somehow got through it without running out of gas.

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In the glory of his youth? Lookin' good man.
I'm used to your other avatar with the aviators.
I knew it wasn't Phil, lol.
Hope you weren't being forced to play your nightly Me & My Uncle.
Cheers

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Yes, good stuff.

I also couldn’t post on Saturday and gave up.

Deadvikes,
Had Bell’s Octoberfest on draft Friday, tasty. Better than from a bottle.
Also had Oberon Eclipse last week. It’s a darker wheat.

I am jealous Conekid, Octoberfest on tap, fabulous! No Octoberfest on tap in Minnesota this year, which is a bummer. Still have a few bottles in the fridge. Very short shelf life of just three months. Haven't heard of that Oberon Conekid, I will have to look for it.

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…more like 16 years ago,
Uncle…prolly lol
This pic was in the paper with an article about how much we worked.
Which is ironic because it was my second last gig before getting booted…still not sure why?
We were opening up for Del McCoury. It was supposed to be at Statebridge which you might be familiar with? But Statebridge mysteriously burned down the night before so gig was moved to Four Eagle ranch, where the photo is from. The band thread in the bulletin made me nostalgic: ( and I figured I’ve officially mourned the death of Anchor long enough…

Goin 2/10&11/89 today, got shit to get done…”it’s what doers do” lol

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I did some of October 89 this morning, again at an ungodly hour soaking my injured shoulder and Achilles Tendon in the tub. I am really wishing I was in my 16 year younger body also. Today I doubled my coffee intake, but instead of getting shit done I seem to stuck in a technical anomaly with one of my clients. I had to do an upgrade and now nothing works and no one can tell me why (yet).

Seems like I've been here before....Fuzzy then and still so obscure,......

Great Pic Oro! PM me the number of your plastic surgeon.

Oh, I hit the end of the fist set into the second set of 10/10/89 (Ooops, meant 10/9). Timed it so the Dark Star would end about the time the sun came up. I did not get any productivity bump for the effort today.. but alas, it was not my fault.

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What is going on with your shoulder Jim?

I am not seeing a show for 10/10/89. What am I missing.

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Ooops, my bad, meant 10/9/89. I don't listen to this often either, but I know me and Oro were there. Oro got me thinking about 89 a while back. I have not listened to that many shows from fall 89 believe it or not. The only ones I caught that fall were the Hampton ones.

Tore my rotator cuff back in July. What a drag it is getting old....

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Sorry to hear about the rotator cuff Jim. Not fun. Hopefully it is on the mend.

Love those Hampton shows. Usually listen to both a few times each year.