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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    Wanted to hear that third IIHTWTG so I went to the Bertrando/Sacks that starts at the post-Supplication Jam which without it's connection was fairly hard to guess but it sounds like Jerry was just noodling and trying to get to Playin' already. Then Drums into more pre-Playin' then shuffles right into a good Jack-a-roe. Playin' starts for real and abruptly shifts to a bouncy and funky Shakedown and has the crowd clapping along in time. Slow shift to the IIHTWTG with an almost silent (confused or maybe just respectful?) crowd. Fairly different from the debut which was as-written-clean (was this ever on a studio album?) including Bob adding some slide that turns into whale song (Jim, the gift that keeps on giving, lol) while Jerry fans the ending. Tough song to sing with lots of chord changes. Maybe that's why it was dropped? Then Playin' reprise with Bob trying to go elsewhere, but settles nicely before the slam into Around & A.
    Glad I got to hear this and thanks to Oro. Will try that 11-21-78 on your recommendation.
    Cheers
    Edit: Duh, of course! IIHTWTG was on the Shakedown album. There's a ut-oob of the Cleveland IIHTWTG with good sound but no video. Lots of interesting comments there. Lots of love for this song. One guy suggests this was a tough one to sing as it stretched Jerry's vocal range a bit. Same guy has a great detailed logical argument for why they dropped Cosmic Charlie, well reasoned. Another poster said this was their wedding song - cool! Another said it was a dedication from her hubby who has passed on. And a strange number of people said they liked/loved Bob's slide on this. No accounting for taste I guess. Oh and one said Bob had issues at start of second set which may explain some of that weirdness with the "Jams". (as Oro has already documented in his review a few posts back)
    Doc, you know what happens when the going gets weird. If not see Hunter Thompson.

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    Miller 95660, it’s an SB, but it has flaws and several patches. I didn’t mess with the others…
    11/21/78: went with Carpenter SB, recording overall better than 11/20, still has some patches.
    11/21 is a hot show! Only hiccup I recall is Black Pete…hell did they ever play bad in Ra cha cha?
    78 nuts will want to hear 11/21 and at least the Playin Sandwich from 11/20!

    December 73. What a month!
    Not sure about 1985 1st show. With no net, Deadbase etc, all we were focused on was trying to get to as many shows as practical, and hopefully later getting tapes of those shows. Never dreamed of the riches that have been mined since!
    Years later when I did start to consider these things, besides shows we were at it was all about those magic last ten shows of 73, featuring just the guys.

    3/24/71: I like 1971, but sorry, just did like 96% of 71 last year so not ready for rehash yet. I will say I really enjoyed this show though.
    That JBG off of Skullfuck was the lightning bolt that changed me from interested, to whoa, I have got to see these guys!
    It was April 78 and I was at my buddies. We listened to Skullfuck a lot sans not much else live Dead to listen to. Live Dead was still probably too weird for us to fully engage. Steal Your Money was cool, but it was all about S&R.
    Being a Hendrix freak in HS, I was really into JBG, and I’d heard this version many times, but for whatever reason something happened that day and JBG just blew me away. I made him replay it over and over and from then on the scaled tipped and I started becoming more into the Dead then the other stuff.
    The final straw was finally getting to see them in January. The rest as they say is history.

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    I wasn't able to find a good source for this show. What source did you listen to guys?

    December 73. Another fine month Jim.

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    3/18/71 is a good show - least the first cd moves nicely through it's changes, and the song list and jams to come look promising.

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    Proceed Plan Dakota…………………

    Hey hey hey rockers!!

    Pick Of The Day: Winterland March 24 1971 (Benefit for the Sufi Choir Of San Francisco)

    Code Seminole, check 3 check 3 check 1, Red Dog over……………

    The yang to the yin of March 3. The band may have started the month off low, but they ended high. Yes they may have forgotten an organ, but this fine and underrated show is much crunchier and more expansive than what came three weeks previously.

    The Skull Album Johnny B Goode, so early in the first set. Top notch grease, especially the crispy Hard To Handle. A big jam sequence in the first set highlighted by an excellent Other One. How and why did they end the set with such a hard rockin’ Beat It On Down The line? Solid NFA suite to close set two, followed by a nice Uncle John’s Band encore.

    I know not everybody digs 1971 shows, but this one is worth a listen, and would make a nice official release some day……..

    Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

    Rock on!

    Doc
    Where's your will to be weird?

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    Perhaps the hardest part was convincing Phil some of this stuff is too good to fret over sound imperfections.

    I have to imagine giving Latvala reign of the vault was akin to giving a kid the key to the candy store. We have Dick to thank for most of what's out there that was not officially released (more important 30 years ago than today), but sometimes I wonder what things would be like if he wasn't as generous a head as he was. We would be enslaved, waiting for the next release. ...but imagine the elation of the great surprises that await....

    Anyway.. super busy which puts me in lurking mode, I check in when I can. Sorry for that. My extra credit has been a bit of Dec 73. Such a long, long time to be gone and a short time to be there.

    Big rain event here now.. a hard rain's gonna fall.

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    To 1985 - Dick Latvala starts work as the GD archivist.
    It must have been an overwhelming task.
    The new music format called compact disc is here.
    He has his list started, likely from memory and his own tape collection.
    What would we tell him is THE most important, or best, way to start the releases?
    Assume it's all there in the vault and good enough to release, just to make it easier.
    I'm ready back then as my wife just bought us our first CD player. Quite expensive and so are the CDs. $17.99 for a single when LPs are still under $10.00. I'm still a GD novitiate and have no clue having only attended seven shows ('78-'80).
    Cheers
    Oh, and is there a list (Dave L.?) of Dick's potentials that have not been released? Or is that now part of the Dave's list that Oro cites from time to time?
    (Oro - I vote for the live GO since it's the one I know)

    Edit: Only three of those If I Had The World To Give. First is the Aug. 30-31,1978 that I keep asking for. I'll check that out Oro. Was the Standing On The Moon of it's era.

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    Sorry 1st show, forgot twice, ha! Thank you, Yes very nice DP 20 review and I concur: all is very good, but perhaps the first shows playing trumps the second shows sexy set list? And is that not one of the best (for last) Charlie’s?
    Great song, but being difficult sometimes it could be a bit Sloopy, but this one shines.
    So awesome we have all these gems to contemplate, hopefully, for years to come!
    Onward

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    Hey OB, I don't think we ever hit this one. I will check it out tomorrow. Thanks.

    Nice review on Dicks 20 Firstshow. I liked both shows quit a bit, but yes, that second set of Capital Centre is hot!

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    Not sure if we did this one, if so, I forgot to mark it down. (and please excuse).
    Perhaps I tried/started at work but wasn’t able?
    Anywho, looks interesting and I think I might have heard locals at the time who went speak highly off it?
    Unfortunately I was still too young, at least according to those who supplied food and shelter ahem—to be going “all the way” to Cleveland lol.

    EDIT: POTD MUST LISTEN!
    If nothing else, you MUST hear this IIHTWTG!
    Really, the whole second set as it’s very unusual, but the Playing sandwich is like a whole separate show, and the meat (Shakedown>World to Give) is simply delicious and should be enjoyed!
    World to Give, another of those weird awesome but much too brief Jer tunes, and this one is phuching awesome!

    Overall, the show is sorta all over the place. Especially the recording.
    1/2 Step>Franks opener is always nice, but this is average and suffers from weird technical anomalies. Next few perhaps underwhelming? It’s all good, just doesn’t seem to have the usual 78 spark. PEGGY O is always welcome but prefer Goldilocks version: not too slow, or not too fast. This one perhaps a tad too slow? Decent Lightning/Supplication to round out the first. NOTE: Bob is present throughout and seems fine thus far.
    Why dat? Weeeeeeeelllll, depending on who you ask this was either the worst show or one of the best lol.
    Also much todo about Bob being sick, with some accounts claiming: he missed the set opening jams (he did); to he missed jam, came out to begin playing and left again until end of show…
    Well, inspector Clue so says you can hear him throughout the whole show on tape, except the aforementioned Jam>Drums>Jam.
    The jam sounds more like waiting around then the spectacular inprov mind melt that some describe? Though I bet it was interesting there in real time. Bob is back for the era typical slow Jack a Roe, but then things seem to really step up.
    PITB seems more energetic and though not a pre hiatus beast, nice just the same, then…., then they slide into an awesome Shakedown to take it higher, but then! Jer bear breaks out the gold, it’s gold i tell ya! and JG wants to give it to you! The last of three World to Gives is just plain sweeeeetttt!
    By the time they segway back into the PITB reprise you can feel the relief? definitely positive vibes, like phew, we made it!
    The band, the crowd, even the sometimes inconsistent recording is on when it matters. Though the recording does slip into an extended section of aud, it almost helps this vibe! Plus, sometimes it’s nice to feel that in the midst happy communal energy often missing in boards. So big A&A to end it and the crowd loves it. No encore guessing due to time?
    So I wouldn’t call it top shelf, but cool, unique interesting show, which don’t know bout you, but that’s why I come here to explore. Definitely not the worst show, in fact, as often the case, the adversity helps step things up and makes the show. When the going gets weird…indeed.

    Ha, told myself only one show today but I’m already into the next night in good ole Crotchfester. 11/21/78
    Sounds like typical crazy Rochester scene, kinda like the Spectrum lol. But they sure sound more like usual fall 78 so far (Big River…) recording too, not a Beatty, but so far so good.
    If only I’d been just a wee bit older, this might of been my first?
    That’s ok, I’ll take the first I did get lol.

    Ok, onward, must be fired up after sleeping with the Elk! Literally, several slept within feet of us just outside our bedroom window last night! Cool sheet Mon!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 11/04/2023 - 09:05

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Six Sixteen and eighteen from seventy four
Including awesome bonus material from kind poster here.
Thanks Again, yer too kind!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 11/04/2023 - 09:08

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That’s one’s a gas!
Phil’s Lovin the new six string.
Must see tv

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 11/05/2023 - 08:16

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Instant classic, and one of my first tapes.

I'm trying to stick with one and two syll a ble words in hopes my post gets through.

Damn you evil IT underlords!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Mon, 11/06/2023 - 06:10

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and I got shut down. Curses! Foiled again!

Starting the morning with a big ole serving of 3/27/88 Hampton Set II. I feel better already. What a great show and great run.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Tue, 11/07/2023 - 06:22

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I just don't know...

38 yrs tonight Rochester War Memorial yeah another of those brutal rainy blustery Ra-cha-cha days waiting in line,
but now out of the rain and smiles all around
Summer is gone, but the time is right

...if I'm going back again

Peace All!
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Submitted by bluecrow on Tue, 11/07/2023 - 08:54

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I'm there! It's a warm and dry inside and the music is sweet (4 songs in).

Thanks Uncle T!!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Tue, 11/07/2023 - 09:29

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Nice!
Those were great shows!
Dancin/Midnight and that Let It Grow is RJ fo sho!
Fungus fest times 11
And the hotel nearby we were at was completely taken over by freaks.
It was one of those were there’s a cat walk/balcony with the room doors, so that everyone had their doors open and the place was one giant party!
One of these nights I went first row for first set, but think that was the last time. I had started getting was into the hippie shake, better sound, and less hassles that being by the SB provided. After that, it was GA only at stadiums : (

Or Hampton, good Hampton! Maybe Philly still in 86?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 05:27

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I'm going to give that a try today.

Cycled through two of the three 83 OB picks last week. Fun. By the end, the kick drum problem that seems to be in some of those 83 shows was beginning to rattle me. Like, you can't unhear it. I really wish someone would have insisted on a separate mix for the tapes and bringing back the reel to reels. Dammit Healy (said with my best Mr. Burns face and posture).

I really like the return of the Dancin in the Streets and Midnight Hour that came in that era. And the recordings cleaned up a bit from 83 and early 84. No disco Dancin's here, or as Phil would later say.. no the GD arrangement not the disco one.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 05:35

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…Mr Garcia doing his best John Lennon for this evening. Well, you tell me it’s the constitution, well, you know you better change your mind instead.
GA was always loads of fun, on this particular evening spent Set 1 spent in front of the board. I had not danced out of a building like that night since Satisfaction Hampton Spring ‘83

Last five
JGB: 11/8/81 Rider College Gym (audience cassette); attended and being 12 miles away it’s the closest Garcia ever got to my backyard lol, and then @ 11pm the house lights were turned on which was about ¾ of the way through Deal, if you listen to the recording, at that moment you can hear the band really kick it in!

Elmore James: The Master of the Slide (CD)
Neville Brothers: Live @ Tipitina’s Vol.2 (CD)
The TRIO: Oscar Peterson, Live 1961 Chicago (vinyl)
The James Gang: ‘Yer Album (vinyl)

I can’t get NO, I can’t get NO, NO, NO, NO...

Peace All!
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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 06:51

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Kicks arse!

Might just as well go 11/8 today since nothing else…
Might as well might as well.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 10:26

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Just heard that a certain "classic rock band" has tied Sinatra and Elvis for most albums (58) on Billboard's Top 40.

Wonder who that might be?

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Submitted by marye on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 10:38

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I heard that too!
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 16:17

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Rhino will also reissue all eight albums from the Grateful Dead’s tenure with Arista Records (1977-1990) in pairs between now and July 2024 beginning this Friday, November 10th with the band’s final studio album, Built To Last, and Without a Net, the 3LP collection of historic live performances from the late-Brent Mydland era……

There’s more but I keep getting Hey now’d

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Thu, 11/09/2023 - 05:11

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better bumper stickers should be issued!

Rock On!

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Submitted by bigbrownie on Thu, 11/09/2023 - 13:28

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Just heard some bits of that on siriusxm. Never heard this before. I sense the birth of Fire on the Mountain somewhere in here.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 05:49

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Clever Androids with a penchant for mind bending music and perhaps a strong dose of whatever Dr. Thompson is having (no offense to our Wharf Ratt kindred spirits)

I also did a twofer of 11/7/85 rolled into 11/8/85 with a sprinkling of 11/9/73 as a jammy middle layer. What a nice little 1985 sandwich. It made for an enjoyable backdrop to a productive couple of days and what a way to break up any monotony that might have otherwise oozed its way into my otherwise sunny couple of days.

I got to thinking, I know I have seen Dancin' openers and Midnight Hour closers before somewhere.. low and behold they sort of did this a couple times, 7.22.84 (but they added a Brokedown Palace encore) and they came close a couple other times which found me listening to 9.16.66 Avalon Ballroom (simply amazing early Dead, Vintage Dead in fact) and yearning for 1.3.70 Fillmore East. Holy cow, it's amazing just how many Grateful Deads there were.. it is not just one band but many similar but different bands rolled into one.

Hola Senor Bolo, welcome back from your travels.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 07:23

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Okay, how does 5/5/1990 strike you all? I think this would be a first listen for me.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 07:51

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I can fit this in. Checking out the pictures of the show now. It was a hot one that day, 102 degrees. I'll add 9.16.66 and 1.3.70 for future consideration. 6.16.66 makes for a nice short little palate cleanser. A well known show, but man Jerry has some smoking guitar licks for such an early show in his career. If you heard just the guitar solos you might think it is the Airplane.

I'm a roll, very few hey nows today

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 08:25

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I think this can be done. At least I'm pretty sure it can be done, figured out or otherwise find a way to force this one through.

The world would be a kinder, gentler place if we could somehow figure out a way to dose the bots and androids that will one day become AI. I realize we are not there yet, baby steps, perhaps we can start with world leaders and work our way up from there.

ok, back to whatever it was we were doing, as It's the Same Thing comes to rollicking end I am shutting down my PC for the day and moving on the getting shit done and listening to music.

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Submitted by Dennis on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 08:46

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Right date?

I see none,,,, I see 9/16

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 10:28

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I’ve heard it, it’s good if not RJ?
I’ll toss it on DV while I’m working.
Vguy was there, maybe he can give us some deets?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 10:36

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9/16/66. I think it's show they sold as Vintage Dead

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 11/13/2023 - 10:01

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5-5-90: yep, good but…
Felt the couple of miscues and vocal flubs kept from RJ status, but otherwise solid and enjoyable!

Vintage Dead, I have that on vinyl, I’ll have to dig it out!

Hit 11/25/73 Friday. Another good fall 73. Perhaps a slightly different approach with no big TOO or DS etc…

Going 4/16/83 today. Have heard often in the past but being at work and only crappy device, gonna fire it up just because…

Onward!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 11/13/2023 - 10:02

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Man I love those shows!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 11/13/2023 - 21:26

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First night since the hot shows at the Omni. This one was good, but not as hot as Spring 1990.
Fun first set, with LTGTR, The Race is On, Help Slip Franklins, Queen Jane.
Enjoyed the flow of Loose Lucy when they brought it back in March and a good one here.
Good second set. Will have to take a look at those other shows Jim.and OB.

Did you see the latest Dave L video? What a scene!

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Tue, 11/14/2023 - 07:23

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had that KPFA-FM broadcast on cassette since about summer '91 and I seem to remember (only remember because of the placement of help>slip>frank) Brent and Phil dominating the mix in Set One, don’t remember much of the 2nd set, probably should go back to it...

ORO – Ra cha cha nice energy from the boys; Seasons round, creatures great and small, up and down, as we rise and fall, RISE AND FALL! going with 9/15/85 while outdoors today, got lots of maple leaves that need some attention.

Hit 10/19/73 Dick’s 19 on Sunday while working on a cellar cleanout, and continued Fall ’73 yesterday with 10/23/73 Set II (always a good laugh from that 1st Encore).

Peace All!
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A ight
Didn’t go there but I’ve had a tape of this one fo ever
Good Sheet Mon!
Good one for shitty device work modification!
Wild set list…don’t peak!

10/23, ha, yeah, too funny

EDIT: enjoyed 9/15/85, cool show. Yeah Jers voice occasionally has the rasp thing going on, but not as bad as some, and he plays his arse off while the band smokes on!
Good pick for anyone not familiar.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 11/15/2023 - 10:38

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No problem!
Hitting 9/9/88 today.
Serendipitously ended up at 9/8/88 (good but not RJ) so figured I’d finally check out the rest of the run…

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 11/15/2023 - 15:59

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Good to see you back! How did you make through Hey Now?

88 spectrum shows. I need to check those out OB.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 11/17/2023 - 05:30

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When I started to initially post comments back in October, I was being hey now’d to the point of frustration. So it was at that point that I figured something I’m doing it’s not working, maybe it’s not recognizing my I.P., so I don’t log out anymore…and I don’t have to log-in, and their system still recognizes me.

I launch dead.net, and then click next to the pop-up to clear it, and at the top right of the screen is my avatar. I scroll over to the arrow, the pull-down shows various options and I click on "recent posts", and then I chose the “Title” of the posts I’m interested in reading and/or responding to. This process has been working well for me for several weeks, saving me time by not re-typing, or lost thoughts, and no more frustration, so I “jump fer joy”.

Peace All!
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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 11/19/2023 - 17:57

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Been unseasonably warm here in MN so far this November. Been enjoying the last rounds this weekend.

Where were we

I see the end of the year sale is on. You can grab a copy of Here Comes Sunshine for 140. Wait you can't, because it is sold out.
However the Listen to the River Bo

Just wow. I can't post anything anymore, I keep getting Now Heyed. MDJim got this one through, but Jim in MD.. nothing.

Now I'm all pissed off.

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Submitted by MDJim on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 09:47

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So long as we keep it to single syllable words and sentences chimpanzees have said using sign language.

God forbid we comment on a show or discuss complex dark star passages, we will have none of that, you will get "Hey Now you can take that post and shove it up your ass"

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 09:50

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Marye, we are loosing posters and customers right and left here. Can anything be done to get us back to where we were? Just seems a shame that folks are bailing out. I miss them.
Cheers

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Submitted by dmcvt on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 09:56

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Someone noted they could post something simple, then went back and edited to add more, that did not pull the hey Now. My last post had a couple typographic symbols, did get the hey now until I removed them, so here's my first test with a clean post.

So that went through first try, no hey now, now now hey, here goes
!@#$%^&*()

and that posted fine, no hey now (second edit)

but it did not allow third fourth fifth of sixth edit tries...

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 10:54

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can't post without hay now

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 10:59

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lol

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 11:13

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Nothing, crickets..
If they at least had the curtesy to let us know what’s up etc, wether this nonsense, or the HCS nonsense.
This secrecy and/or just plain FU decades long loyal fans who give these folks way too much money and they can’t even be cool with us! FFS!

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Submitted by dmcvt on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 11:18

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many of us have spent hundreds if not thousands chasing this music, live and recorded

hmmm... under twenty words no hay now (first edit)