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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    Re: Deadvikes/net wiring

    To those not interested, please skip and except my apologies

    First, disclaimer: I am not a IT, computer, or network professional, in fact, when it comes to computers I’m way behind the curve. That being said, I am a custom AV professional which usually requires installing commercial grade networks in the home. I’ve done hundreds over the years. So I have a lot of experience using many AV products both wireless and hard wired. Why, because when you have home automation, Lighting, HVAC, Pool/spas, Security, AV, gaming, WiFi and more on one home network that’s a lot of bandwidth, no matter how many MBS/gigs your paying for. Your network is the foundation that all your net gear lives and depends on. You wouldn’t build your house on a cardboard foundation so you shouldn’t build your network on a insufficient one either!
    SONOS: you are correct that one of the main selling points for Sonos or any of the “wireless” audio products is reasonable stability over WiFi (of course always depending on service. Just like your water main the pipe is only so big)...the biggest of all reasons Sonos is ahead of the pack is their user interface. So with decent service you can certainly enjoy over WiFi, but like you mentioned if everyone is on line at the same time it’s like having every water facet and toilet going at once...,the pipe is only so big...streaming of course is the biggest drain of all.
    I won’t get all in on the phsycics, and I’d probably do a lousy job, but generally, a properly hardwired connection is going to be better: faster, less latency, more BW, and certainly more stable/reliable. I’ve seen situations where the IT guy had me disconnect a HW feed and use a meshed WAP, but that’s mostly because the WiFi gear was new, robust, and of course somewhat oversold lol. The wiring and switches were ancient crap....I may have been trying to use only four conductors which limits you to only 10/100. But that’s only happened a few times in 13 years!
    By comparison our nets are at least 1-5 gig capable, but our bigger new jobs have been 10 gig to try and future proof (as much as that’s possible anymore). Often these start getting into fiber, But I digress...
    Also, even if it’s not that time of day when the whole neighborhood is sucking on basically the same pipe, I’m sure you’ve still experienced huge speed drops, latency, and even severe buffering etc when the whole family is using all those wireless devices. So the more things you can take off WiFi and hardwire, the more those HW devices will benefit from the “bigger pipe” that the wire usually provides, but at the same time, the devices that are still over WiFi will also work better because removing streaming devices off essentially provides “more pipe” for the remaining WiFi devices.
    It’s all about the pipe baby: bigger, faster, stronger...
    The last job I was on before the VID was over 10K Square foot house. It has Comcast gig plus service, using an upgraded surfboard modem, 4 port commercial Router, 4- 48 port Poe switches, Ruckus Zone Director to air traffic control bandwidth where need via the 16 commercial grade Ruckus WAPs (all hardwired on cat five or better). All critical infrastructure gear is on Bluebolts for remote ip monitoring and rebooting.
    Besides the 16 Crestron hardwired touchscreens, there are probably a dozen iPads for control of all house subsystems. The 20+ cameras are now all nest over wifi which is a huge bandwidth drain, but that’s what the owner wanted. Throw in all the personal devices of the owners and up to 15 guests, and six in house servants and five large equipment racks of gear (even amplifiers now are ip controlled) and that’s a shit ton of bandwidth. A normal home network would not function!
    Obviously I assume most folks don’t have those needs, but the infrastructure methodology is the same.

    So for a “typical” house (there is no such thing but for simplicity)
    - Best pipe (service) you can get. Preferably on fiber or Coax if possible.
    - Buy your own upgraded modem. For a couple hundred bucks that you’ll make up by not renting one.
    - Research and get best Router you can
    - Use strategic placement of WAPs over full cat 5 or better. Six is the norm, but we sometimes pull cat 7, 8, and/or fiber.
    This depends on how many floors, walls, building materials etc, square footage. Like much of this too much is better than not enough. Think brick shithouse from BITD...
    Usually the cat for your phones all homerun back to your headend or main distribution point. Depending on where that is and if there’s adequate power nearby, you can place all your gear there, or if possible, place a robust net switch there. Obviously for switch size you’ll need to figure out how many devices you’ll want to H.W. depending on how May wires you have. It’s usualky much easier to have at least enough Poe ports to power WAPs (make sure you’ll have enough wattage). You can find all kinds of wall trim to terminate similar to how your phone or net are trimmed on your walls, or if long enough wire just terminate RJ 45 etc. You’ll need to terminate all the ends at the net switch. A decent cable tester is a real help to ensure proper terminations. Inevitably you’ll need to test from end to end using all wires and splices/connections.
    So you have your service feed to your modem, a net cabl from modem to router, router to your switch or switches, and your WAPs hardwired to your switch (s). If done properly using good gear (find gear with specks way above what you think you need, it can be money well spent, remember, your trying to build a brick shithouse, not a cheap tent! ), you can make your network more robust, stable and therefore enjoyable! It’s like buying a car with a big engine, you don’t akways need it but when you do and you put the hammer down, you’ll be glad you have that headroom.
    Obviously many folks dont need so much, but even a additional switch with hardwired devices out of your provider modem can help when supply is getting stretched thin.
    No matter how big or small or what your needs are, always hardwire when possible! That’s what I’ve found works best, cause it’s all about the pipe!
    Hope this is understandable and helps. Sorry if I didn’t explain well.

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    Jim, my first exposure to it was the Make Believe Ballroom LP on the TAKRL label

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    in the queue...

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    Hampton 87 & 8/13/75

    Made that run too.. I think there are several of us here that must have shared a fatty or a bowl at some point over the last 35 years.

    So are we doing One From the Vault next? My first tape of this was labeled "Make Believe Ballroom." Not sure where that came from or how common it was.

    So I decided if we are doing 3/24/90 I would re-order it and do it right.. which is where I still am. I did roast a good amount of kind Ethiopian Coffee and unfortunately spent a ton of time on the phone with USPS. Back to finally getting my Knick exactly perfect. Whoever mentioned the Mind Left Body.. my two favorites are 10/18/73 and 3/24/90. On the latter, Jerry and Brent are in the middle of a serious mind meld. It's amazing and Brent really does fill in the gaps, almost exactly perfectly. Always one of my favorite late era shows. Amazing.

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    8/13/75. "Good evening, we welcome you...

    ...On behalf of the group"

    Pretty much have this whole show memorized, as it's always in heavy rotation. What the heck, in the interest of supporting my Deadhead brethren, of all genders, races, political leanings and creeds, I'll cue it up tomorrow and play it LOUD on the big boy system!!

    Unless my wife is home, then it's headphones.

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    Great choice, I was able to listen to I believe everything except Desolation Row. Still have my Dozin copy from 1996 and the first Spring 1990 opening tunes. Top shelf!

    I will throw out another 90s release for tomorrow, 8/13/75, One From the Vault.
    I have two copies of this, the original 1991 release and the remastered release from 2007. The upgrade is awesome.

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    Did someone say hockey?....

    ....my radar pinged.

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    Excellent advice Jimbo.

    I listen to new CD arrivals to confirm that they are not defective, then make a disc image on a HD. I then type in the track names and make any necessary edits (removing those stupid overlap transitions between CD’s), and export the files as Sd2f. The Sd2f file is then used to make copies in various formats: AIFF, ALAC, FLAC, AAC-320 (each format on a separate HD).
    The ALAC files go onto micro SDXC cards for my iBasso music players (DX80 and DX120), and into iTunes for my iPod 5 Classic which a few months ago I upgraded to 1 TB using an iFlash Quad.
    The AAC-120 and FLAC files are for playing from USB drives in cars.
    With the AIFF files I burn 2 copies to CD-R as backups (glad I started doing that now that the CD rot issue has been brought to our attention), and listen to one of the copies to confirm that the files on the HD are not corrupt.

    I then make multiple HD backups

    Where do I find the time?
    I don’t play video games, I don’t go to movies, and I watch very little TV (no Netflix or other subscriptions). I do watch a lot of hockey but I can see and hear the TV from where my computers are, so I try to have the computers running and converting audio files/burning discs while watching hockey.

    I do get to listen to a lot of GOGD.

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    Ah-ha! Now that makes sense.

    Thanks JACK BALLER!
    I now know with the help of your response and a quick google search that Rip Van Winkle is one of the Great Northern Catskills best-loved figureheads.
    That makes so much sense, and the regional touch is really cool.

    This came out in 1996 and I've always questioned the marketing angle as the first thing I thought of was why would they release this if they thought it was a snooze fest?

    But lo!! It's quite a bit more clever than I.. and it's pretty keen.
    (I didn't recognize ole Rip in the bushes and thought that was just some stoned hippie laying there;)

    That clears up a lot and makes me like this release that much more.

    DAVE ROCK: Dosin' at the Knick ain't bad either as I'm sure there was a lot of that too...

    Well, you just can't beat that.
    Good music and I learned a few things.

    The Good Ole Grateful Dead strikes again!

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    Given the album cover and Albany's proximity to the Catskill Mountains, "Dozin" is a reference to the Rip VanWinkle story. Deeply ingrained in those of us from Upstate NY!

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 11/04/2023 - 09:05

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Rollin,
Six Sixteen and eighteen from seventy four
Including awesome bonus material from kind poster here.
Thanks Again, yer too kind!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 11/04/2023 - 09:08

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That’s one’s a gas!
Phil’s Lovin the new six string.
Must see tv

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 11/05/2023 - 08:16

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Instant classic, and one of my first tapes.

I'm trying to stick with one and two syll a ble words in hopes my post gets through.

Damn you evil IT underlords!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Mon, 11/06/2023 - 06:10

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and I got shut down. Curses! Foiled again!

Starting the morning with a big ole serving of 3/27/88 Hampton Set II. I feel better already. What a great show and great run.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Tue, 11/07/2023 - 06:22

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I just don't know...

38 yrs tonight Rochester War Memorial yeah another of those brutal rainy blustery Ra-cha-cha days waiting in line,
but now out of the rain and smiles all around
Summer is gone, but the time is right

...if I'm going back again

Peace All!
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Submitted by bluecrow on Tue, 11/07/2023 - 08:54

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I'm there! It's a warm and dry inside and the music is sweet (4 songs in).

Thanks Uncle T!!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Tue, 11/07/2023 - 09:29

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Nice!
Those were great shows!
Dancin/Midnight and that Let It Grow is RJ fo sho!
Fungus fest times 11
And the hotel nearby we were at was completely taken over by freaks.
It was one of those were there’s a cat walk/balcony with the room doors, so that everyone had their doors open and the place was one giant party!
One of these nights I went first row for first set, but think that was the last time. I had started getting was into the hippie shake, better sound, and less hassles that being by the SB provided. After that, it was GA only at stadiums : (

Or Hampton, good Hampton! Maybe Philly still in 86?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 05:27

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I'm going to give that a try today.

Cycled through two of the three 83 OB picks last week. Fun. By the end, the kick drum problem that seems to be in some of those 83 shows was beginning to rattle me. Like, you can't unhear it. I really wish someone would have insisted on a separate mix for the tapes and bringing back the reel to reels. Dammit Healy (said with my best Mr. Burns face and posture).

I really like the return of the Dancin in the Streets and Midnight Hour that came in that era. And the recordings cleaned up a bit from 83 and early 84. No disco Dancin's here, or as Phil would later say.. no the GD arrangement not the disco one.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 05:35

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…Mr Garcia doing his best John Lennon for this evening. Well, you tell me it’s the constitution, well, you know you better change your mind instead.
GA was always loads of fun, on this particular evening spent Set 1 spent in front of the board. I had not danced out of a building like that night since Satisfaction Hampton Spring ‘83

Last five
JGB: 11/8/81 Rider College Gym (audience cassette); attended and being 12 miles away it’s the closest Garcia ever got to my backyard lol, and then @ 11pm the house lights were turned on which was about ¾ of the way through Deal, if you listen to the recording, at that moment you can hear the band really kick it in!

Elmore James: The Master of the Slide (CD)
Neville Brothers: Live @ Tipitina’s Vol.2 (CD)
The TRIO: Oscar Peterson, Live 1961 Chicago (vinyl)
The James Gang: ‘Yer Album (vinyl)

I can’t get NO, I can’t get NO, NO, NO, NO...

Peace All!
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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 06:51

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Kicks arse!

Might just as well go 11/8 today since nothing else…
Might as well might as well.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 10:26

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Just heard that a certain "classic rock band" has tied Sinatra and Elvis for most albums (58) on Billboard's Top 40.

Wonder who that might be?

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Submitted by marye on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 10:38

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I heard that too!
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 11/08/2023 - 16:17

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Rhino will also reissue all eight albums from the Grateful Dead’s tenure with Arista Records (1977-1990) in pairs between now and July 2024 beginning this Friday, November 10th with the band’s final studio album, Built To Last, and Without a Net, the 3LP collection of historic live performances from the late-Brent Mydland era……

There’s more but I keep getting Hey now’d

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Thu, 11/09/2023 - 05:11

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better bumper stickers should be issued!

Rock On!

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Submitted by bigbrownie on Thu, 11/09/2023 - 13:28

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Just heard some bits of that on siriusxm. Never heard this before. I sense the birth of Fire on the Mountain somewhere in here.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 05:49

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Clever Androids with a penchant for mind bending music and perhaps a strong dose of whatever Dr. Thompson is having (no offense to our Wharf Ratt kindred spirits)

I also did a twofer of 11/7/85 rolled into 11/8/85 with a sprinkling of 11/9/73 as a jammy middle layer. What a nice little 1985 sandwich. It made for an enjoyable backdrop to a productive couple of days and what a way to break up any monotony that might have otherwise oozed its way into my otherwise sunny couple of days.

I got to thinking, I know I have seen Dancin' openers and Midnight Hour closers before somewhere.. low and behold they sort of did this a couple times, 7.22.84 (but they added a Brokedown Palace encore) and they came close a couple other times which found me listening to 9.16.66 Avalon Ballroom (simply amazing early Dead, Vintage Dead in fact) and yearning for 1.3.70 Fillmore East. Holy cow, it's amazing just how many Grateful Deads there were.. it is not just one band but many similar but different bands rolled into one.

Hola Senor Bolo, welcome back from your travels.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 07:23

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Okay, how does 5/5/1990 strike you all? I think this would be a first listen for me.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 07:51

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I can fit this in. Checking out the pictures of the show now. It was a hot one that day, 102 degrees. I'll add 9.16.66 and 1.3.70 for future consideration. 6.16.66 makes for a nice short little palate cleanser. A well known show, but man Jerry has some smoking guitar licks for such an early show in his career. If you heard just the guitar solos you might think it is the Airplane.

I'm a roll, very few hey nows today

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 08:25

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I think this can be done. At least I'm pretty sure it can be done, figured out or otherwise find a way to force this one through.

The world would be a kinder, gentler place if we could somehow figure out a way to dose the bots and androids that will one day become AI. I realize we are not there yet, baby steps, perhaps we can start with world leaders and work our way up from there.

ok, back to whatever it was we were doing, as It's the Same Thing comes to rollicking end I am shutting down my PC for the day and moving on the getting shit done and listening to music.

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Submitted by Dennis on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 08:46

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Right date?

I see none,,,, I see 9/16

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 10:28

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I’ve heard it, it’s good if not RJ?
I’ll toss it on DV while I’m working.
Vguy was there, maybe he can give us some deets?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/10/2023 - 10:36

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9/16/66. I think it's show they sold as Vintage Dead

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 11/13/2023 - 10:01

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5-5-90: yep, good but…
Felt the couple of miscues and vocal flubs kept from RJ status, but otherwise solid and enjoyable!

Vintage Dead, I have that on vinyl, I’ll have to dig it out!

Hit 11/25/73 Friday. Another good fall 73. Perhaps a slightly different approach with no big TOO or DS etc…

Going 4/16/83 today. Have heard often in the past but being at work and only crappy device, gonna fire it up just because…

Onward!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 11/13/2023 - 10:02

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Man I love those shows!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 11/13/2023 - 21:26

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First night since the hot shows at the Omni. This one was good, but not as hot as Spring 1990.
Fun first set, with LTGTR, The Race is On, Help Slip Franklins, Queen Jane.
Enjoyed the flow of Loose Lucy when they brought it back in March and a good one here.
Good second set. Will have to take a look at those other shows Jim.and OB.

Did you see the latest Dave L video? What a scene!

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Tue, 11/14/2023 - 07:23

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had that KPFA-FM broadcast on cassette since about summer '91 and I seem to remember (only remember because of the placement of help>slip>frank) Brent and Phil dominating the mix in Set One, don’t remember much of the 2nd set, probably should go back to it...

ORO – Ra cha cha nice energy from the boys; Seasons round, creatures great and small, up and down, as we rise and fall, RISE AND FALL! going with 9/15/85 while outdoors today, got lots of maple leaves that need some attention.

Hit 10/19/73 Dick’s 19 on Sunday while working on a cellar cleanout, and continued Fall ’73 yesterday with 10/23/73 Set II (always a good laugh from that 1st Encore).

Peace All!
uncle_tripel

A ight
Didn’t go there but I’ve had a tape of this one fo ever
Good Sheet Mon!
Good one for shitty device work modification!
Wild set list…don’t peak!

10/23, ha, yeah, too funny

EDIT: enjoyed 9/15/85, cool show. Yeah Jers voice occasionally has the rasp thing going on, but not as bad as some, and he plays his arse off while the band smokes on!
Good pick for anyone not familiar.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 11/15/2023 - 10:38

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No problem!
Hitting 9/9/88 today.
Serendipitously ended up at 9/8/88 (good but not RJ) so figured I’d finally check out the rest of the run…

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 11/15/2023 - 15:59

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Good to see you back! How did you make through Hey Now?

88 spectrum shows. I need to check those out OB.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 11/17/2023 - 05:30

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When I started to initially post comments back in October, I was being hey now’d to the point of frustration. So it was at that point that I figured something I’m doing it’s not working, maybe it’s not recognizing my I.P., so I don’t log out anymore…and I don’t have to log-in, and their system still recognizes me.

I launch dead.net, and then click next to the pop-up to clear it, and at the top right of the screen is my avatar. I scroll over to the arrow, the pull-down shows various options and I click on "recent posts", and then I chose the “Title” of the posts I’m interested in reading and/or responding to. This process has been working well for me for several weeks, saving me time by not re-typing, or lost thoughts, and no more frustration, so I “jump fer joy”.

Peace All!
uncle_tripel

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 11/19/2023 - 17:57

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Been unseasonably warm here in MN so far this November. Been enjoying the last rounds this weekend.

Where were we

I see the end of the year sale is on. You can grab a copy of Here Comes Sunshine for 140. Wait you can't, because it is sold out.
However the Listen to the River Bo

Just wow. I can't post anything anymore, I keep getting Now Heyed. MDJim got this one through, but Jim in MD.. nothing.

Now I'm all pissed off.

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Submitted by MDJim on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 09:47

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So long as we keep it to single syllable words and sentences chimpanzees have said using sign language.

God forbid we comment on a show or discuss complex dark star passages, we will have none of that, you will get "Hey Now you can take that post and shove it up your ass"

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 09:50

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Marye, we are loosing posters and customers right and left here. Can anything be done to get us back to where we were? Just seems a shame that folks are bailing out. I miss them.
Cheers

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Submitted by dmcvt on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 09:56

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Someone noted they could post something simple, then went back and edited to add more, that did not pull the hey Now. My last post had a couple typographic symbols, did get the hey now until I removed them, so here's my first test with a clean post.

So that went through first try, no hey now, now now hey, here goes
!@#$%^&*()

and that posted fine, no hey now (second edit)

but it did not allow third fourth fifth of sixth edit tries...

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 10:54

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can't post without hay now

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 10:59

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lol

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 11:13

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Nothing, crickets..
If they at least had the curtesy to let us know what’s up etc, wether this nonsense, or the HCS nonsense.
This secrecy and/or just plain FU decades long loyal fans who give these folks way too much money and they can’t even be cool with us! FFS!

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Submitted by dmcvt on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 11:18

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many of us have spent hundreds if not thousands chasing this music, live and recorded

hmmm... under twenty words no hay now (first edit)