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  • #871
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    Misery loves company, JK

    Yeah 1stshow I hadn’t planned to do it.I mean I’ve been meaning to, but, like many things nowadays, always low on roundtoits ; ). Reminds me of this guy we picked up on Ziggy Marley tour doing merch back in 96 I believe.
    Flew into DC, met PK from Jersey, counted stuff in at the 9:30 club, then just tried to keep up with ole PK. Out on town all night, then immediately had to drive to next show etc…
    Dude knows everyone everywhere and can get you ANYTHING you need in almost any city!
    Damn Rastas were asking him to get them weed everywhere as he had better connections lol
    Been a road dog forever! Anywho, somewhere in the mayhem we ran into a buddy of his from Virginia who decided one show wasn’t enough fun. He only ment to go to the next one, and every night kept saying “ok, this is the last one, then I have to get back”…we’ll this went on for over a week until finally, after Panama beach show we literally had to make him get on a bus and go home lol. Guy was helpful and we all had big fun, but the poor bastard was wearing the same clothes etc and didn’t have anything with him, totally spontaneous trip. Think after a couple daze we bought him some fresh underwear and gave him a couple tour shirts to change into lol.
    So that’s kinda how I started E72 this time, ok, I’ll do one more. Finally, though this isn’t a good time, time wise etc, figured, fug it, buy the ticket, take the ride! So, always more fun with a tour buddy!

    Yeah, I’m with you on 5/3. It is a damn good show, but I didn’t get as blown away as some…
    But I’ll need to reacquaint with it…top five, good luck. I can’t do it. Their all so good, sure I like some perhaps more, but their just different enough I can’t pick a top dog…
    Yeah, what a surprise, the French were the most vocal lol

    Yeah DV, im worried about the VIKS, Bills too, though they seemed like their old selves again this week. But like the Viks, ya never know what’s next lol. Rootin for underdog Lions, and Falcons, though I really like this kid Field with Da Bears…
    I’ll have to try and find that Dave article. He always says that and he doesn’t do it all the time, and they have mostly stayed clear of anniversaries, but he has been dipping liberally from that early possibilities list he mentioned back at the start of DaP.

    Those all sound familiar Jim, but I’m on a job site so can’t look up in my Db.
    Tempting all, but I’m on tour in Europe with ole 1stshow and don’t like to listen to other Dead until the trip is over…
    1970 is perhaps last frontier I haven’t really got the toe wet yet. Need another roundtoit!

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    Hey OB, not off to a good start here in MN, but actually not that surprised. Go Bills!

    There is an interesting article in Relix with Dave L. that was posted last week I believe. Check it out.
    Dave claims there is no list and they don't generally release shows or box sets based on anniversaries. This year's box was just a coincidence. So, what does that mean for 2024? Not sure. Would love to see that October 74 Winterland box released. Who wouldn't?
    I thought the 74 Winterland shows were recorded by Bill Wolf as part of the Movie production agreement with United Artists. I believe everything is there and based on the material from the 2005 soundtrack, and bonus material, it is fantastic.

    Madison Square Garden 87. Those are some good shows Jim. Might have to join you on 9/18 as I have that 30 Trips show handy.

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    Huge and another damn near perfect show with 3 Other Ones! The crowd seems more engaged and yelling a bit more than some of the more polite audiences. And interestingly they didn't understand that the show wasn't over at set break. Read attendee Bob Welle's review in DeadbaseX and his cool viewpoint of having been cruising around EU and just luckily caught this one, wondering who are these new people on stage.
    After all these good ones in a row it's hard to see the almost Barton Hall fervor over this one though. I'm having a tough time doing a top 5 of the first 11 shows they are all so good but this one is certainly in there. Onward indeedy! Didn't expect anyone to join in my insanity to do them all so good on ya' Oro. Had to do it once in a lifetime, lol.
    Cheers

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    I was talking about a mini box of Feb '74 before they released 2/24 (and now 2/23), but I like the way you think.

    I always assumed, probably incorrectly, that there were problems with the recordings of much of the October 74 run. I know Owsley was very vocal that they had excessive bleeding from mic to mic, etc.

    As for something to listen to today.. not that I am strictly a Today in GD History person but 9/18/70, 9/18/74 and 9/18/87 were all excellent shows. 9/16/87 was surprisingly good for the period also.

    That's all I have for now.

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    Ok, back to Europe

    Hit 5/7, 5/10, and 5/11 this WE. Of course I’ve forgotten the finer points and things I wanted to say, but I’ve not wanted to be overly analytical, or get distracted with notes, and instead, just get right, relax, and try to enjoy them. (Which has not been hard ; )
    5/7 is just too much! It’s not always the most precise or perfect of the tour, but that’s because it’s a freight train on steroids!
    I’ve always preferred full steam ahead Dead even when that leads to more worts, not that this one has many, perhaps just a few more noticeable than some of the more reserved, precise (hey, they were trying to make an album) shows.
    Actually, I think the album factor is one reason this tour is so good. They’re in a place where they’re ontop of their game and can let it rip, but keeping it just enough under raps to keep the consistency high for recording purposes.
    Win win, but 5/7 seems more about the live gig, the large miserable crowd that seems to really appreciate the effort etc, more than playing it straight for the tape machine?
    Choo Choo, all aboard! what a beast! Garcia starts out in 5th gear and doesn’t let up for almost 4 hours!
    Dark Star AND an Other One! Full on grease fest with six beauties, including a nice LL that fits the format better than going on too long, and a nice unusual Segway into GDTRFB. Clearly they were enjoying themselves in spite of the conditions? They joke about blowing the big ones, but not this time bubba!
    I’ve had this one so have heard it several times, but it was a real treat to sit outside in a warm but not super hot day and just groove on this one!
    Yesterday I hit 5/10 for the first time and unfortunately didn’t get quite the best listen, at least to the later parts.
    But I did enjoy it, even if it was perhaps a little more laid back than 5/7 etc. Hey they all can’t be rocket ships lol.
    The word that kept coming to me was Smooth…this show seemed smooth. They’re gelling as a unit so well by now, and the consistency is so good. Sure there’s a miscue or clam every once in awhile, (I dare you to find a show that there isn’t ; ) but the overall tightness, energy, musicianship is truly better or on par with any tour they ever did!
    Of course there’s the sweet He’s Gone they finally got right, and why it’s the one! Another Sing me as they’ve worked that one in the repertoire nicely. And if I remember correctly, this had another of those unusual Other Ones, kinda jazzy perhaps and similar to 4/16? Unfortunately this one’s a blur for various reasons including hitting 5/11 afterwards. I’ll definitely want to rehit this, 5/3, and the Wembleys after the tour…but for now I want to go in order…
    Ok, 5/11, this one for whatever reason has always been perhaps my favorite?
    Not saying it’s the best show of the tour, just for whatever reasons perhaps my favorite?
    Certainly the set list is part of it: Nice Playing if not huge opener, plenty o grease, including a cool and final Caution, with final WHO Do You Love tease, Nice Truckin ender to mix it up, and a very cool, perhaps unusual Dark Star!
    Maybe it’s just because I think this might have been the first ala cart show I bought when I hand to the head realized what I was missing not having these Dark Stars? (Now realizing same about the cool spacey TOO’s)
    Other One can get real repetitive but these ones are often very diverse and different! The weirder the better I say!
    Whatever the reasons, this show, even after taking the tour plunge, still resonates very strong for me? Hey, I even think the cover art might be my fav? Ok, maybe I’ll hit it again streaming while working, before moving onto 5/13 and 5/16, both I’ve never heard yet, so hoping I’ll get to spend some extra time with em during the week…
    ONWARD! Ok, who stole my Heineken Dark?

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    That’s all I ment.
    Everyone’s made good points, and there’s no easy answer.
    I was going for a conversation starter more than just to editorialize.
    Like most things, no easy answers.
    It’s just now that I’m all addicted to this collecting nonsense, I need as many RJ shows as they’ll give us, and I’m afraid things are going to start slowing down, and eventually it won’t be worth it to them, and so many great shows will never get fixed up and released. And don’t you worry 1stshow ole buddy, there’s still plenty of RJ shows in the vault.
    As a rabid nut trying to tag as many of em as I can before I croak, I’m here to tell ya there’s plenty of gold left in them there hills! Yes many are cassette, but the gang has been getting better and better every year at fixing em up!
    And, there’s still lots of DATs and still a decent amount of killer multitracks, all just rotting in the vault!

    I totally get what yer saying, but think of it this way: suppose the summer 78 box was never released and only a couple others from that year. If they came out and said “this is your one chance to get the 20 best of 78”, including those shows in the July box, would you not find some way to get it? For sure, not everyone is going to want all of em, but I think you’d be able to scrape up at least 10k folks who would want at least one or 2?
    Really they should be digitizing them all, or at least the top 20 or 30 from each year that haven’t been released, and have a system where they announce a certain number, or block at a time, and do pre orders, to have inventory control.
    Some shows might sell big, some not so much. Perhaps have a rule that shows that don’t meet a certain threshold won’t get released?
    I guess the solution would involve somehow having a cost effective way to prep them, but pre order so you don’t always have to have such big sales numbers for every show? Perhaps DL like you say, but that hasn’t worked so well, so far anyway…
    Again, no easy answers, and I totally understand other pov. I just would hate to see so much good music not get the treatment it deserves. And yeah, the archive is awesome, but there’s nothing like getting a great show that’s been fully fixed/Normaned!

    Hey DV, where ya been hiding? Good to see ya, and sorry, I won’t mention you know who. It has got to be really tough being a fan. It’d be one thing if they just stunk, but they have potential, if only they could stop beating themselves.
    A well, it’s early still…

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    Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
    It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
    Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

    There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
    Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

    Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.

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    I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
    Cheers
    Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.

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    Y’all are missing the point…

    I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
    I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
    Their not going to do this forever!!!
    For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
    With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
    There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
    My plan,
    25 for primal 67-70
    15 for 71
    20 for 72
    20 for 73 (at least!
    ? 74 might just be mostly scraps
    20? for 76? Maybe
    77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
    20 for 78
    20 for 79 and 80
    20 for 81 & 82
    20 for 83 & 84
    20 for 85 & 86
    20 for 87 & 88
    20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
    90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
    20 for 91 & 92
    20 for 93-95
    These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
    Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
    You could still make them “limited”…
    Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

    Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

    And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
    But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
    Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
    Tic toc…

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    Yes, next year hopefully - vinyl too. Bit of leisure wear to listen to it in. Nice.

    Mini boxes score where you might not want 17 shows or whatever. I wouldn't mind a few shows from Europe 1990, having attended the London ones - but I'm not sure I would want the whole lot !

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Submitted by MDJim on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 12:35

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Most of us took out second mortgages on our homes when 30 Trips was released.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 12:37

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JimInMD is no longer in Time Out.

I can post again. Two, make that three, multi-syllable words. For what it's worth, it's probable some outside firm or contractor did the web site modifications. If so, I bet they were performed exactly as agreed upon and everything was signed off in advance. If so, it cost them money to do it and it will cost them more money to undo or modify it. Poor planning is no way to go through life.

They are playing Nov 1 1979 Pittsburgh on Sat Radio. That one's a keeper

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Submitted by bluecrow on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 17:36

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Sweet sounding chunk of this show in this week's tapers. nice alternative to the hay now blues. check it out if you haven't already.

acoustic - Monkey & The Engineer, Little Sadie > Black Peter
electric - China Cat > I Know You Rider > High Time > Dire Wolf

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Tue, 11/21/2023 - 05:33

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Haven't used this word since the early 2000’s ...clunky
absolutely downright clunky

...Well they're putting up resistance but I know that my faith will lead me on.

Peace All:)
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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Tue, 11/21/2023 - 10:08

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Taper's is good 'ol GD this week.
All 3 are great.
Poor little Sadie. What did she ever do to deserve her fate?
Cheers

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Submitted by marye on Tue, 11/21/2023 - 10:28

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I am passing these reports up the line and am really sorry for the difficulties.

Thanks MaryE.

Anymore of this and I will never be able to listen to Iko Iko again. As it is now, the intro riff brings on my own version of PTSD.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Thu, 11/23/2023 - 07:29

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For all you deadheads and pecan pie.
Cheers

Have an enjoyable one today.

Just read an interesting article about Phil's new project is it called Darkstarathon, I think. The opening tag line is Hey Now, welcome to the Darkstarathon!

For keeping it real and being antidote to what sometimes feels like "corporate" responses and hoops. Not fully gotten over the condition of the discs delivered in my HCS box though since they all played, am thankful for that, getting the music if not the condition paid for. Having half of them arrive with minor scratches and bits of glue stuck to several edges from mindless, careless packaging, have we sent the message clearly enough? I debated asking for replacements, still feel less than satisfied with the response or lack thereof. Have only had one other problem disc in nearly twenty years of DPs, DaPs and box sets.

Actually listening to Kezar this morning from the box. Damn, is it good. Jerry's guitar is so crisp and the overall sound quality still amazes me for this show.

Yes, the manufacturing issues are a bummer. No excuse for that.

Edit. And my post went through on the first attempt!

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Submitted by Obeah on Fri, 11/24/2023 - 10:05

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Not sure if this is the best forum for this...

...but can anyone help fill me in, or direct me to info, about Record Store Day and how/when dead dot net gets involved? I am asking because the estimable Alvarhanso steered me to 11/18/72. Apparently that was an RSD release in 2014 (or a Black Friday RSD release? That's part of why I need help here) and I've seen blog posts saying it was available for sale "at the Dead's official website". Just wondering if that was true, and if I should pay more attention. I managed to pick up a copy (CD not LP) for sixty bucks but I want to avoid sleeping on this kind of thing in the future. Thanks for any tips

Also I want to give a shout to Marye for always keeping this place going. Happy Belated Thanksgiving, neighbor! And the same to all of you good folks here. Cheers everyone

what little I know... others please fill in and correct me. Believe RSD releases vinyl arranged with WMG/Rhino, not ever sold on dead.net. The second set of 11/18/72 was available briefly as a single CD from dead.net years ago, not long after or around the time it came out on vinyl for RSD 2014. It rocks. The first set has never seen daylight on the archive, far as I know, major audio issues. Strongly suggest check out the next night, 11/19, full glory in the archive, a Charlie Miller soundboard AND an excellent Dark Star.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 11/25/2023 - 07:06

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I think you have that exactly correct. Man, I wish they both had all the reels from that Texas run and released it as a mini box. That PITB is an all timer. I can find PITB's I love in almost any era, and I have an affinity for the 73 and 74 spacey monsters, but nothing beats an on fire 1972 Playin' in the Band and that one from Holfheinz Pavilion is real and it's spectacular.

Fingers crossed this gets through

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 11/25/2023 - 10:02

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Hope everybody had a happy, fun, and delicious Turkey Day, and a long weekend to kick back.

Lucky to have snagged a copy of the 11/18/72 CD back in the day. It's a beauty. Spinning it now. Dig the artwork, one of my favorites in the Dead archival release genre. Minor technical note. Hofheinz Pavilion is at Univ. of Houston, not TCU which is Ft. Worth. 11/14/71 at TCU was the bonus disc for the Austin road trips. Hopefully 11/19/72 sees the light of day as a formal release.

final edit - I literally had to build this post up sentence by edited sentence after getting DQ'd my first couple go arounds.

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Right you are... not sure how I came up with TCU and looking at the CD case, it reads Houston, Texas, no mention of Hofheinz Pavilion, though that's the venue. A Bear original recording, mastered by Jeffrey Norman, the disc is marked HDCD but I see no mention of plangent process. Not much information, no booklet in the sleeve cover and the artwork is outstanding indeed.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 11/25/2023 - 12:26

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Decided it was time to revisit that that 11/14/71 TCU disc. NP.

DMCVT - the missing(?) booklet from the 11/18/72 CD release is sort of a puzzle. Can't say for sure but guessing there were liner notes for the LP release (can anyone here confirm?) and that somewhere along the line the corresponding booklet for the CD never materialized and there was a collective shrug by the involved folks. The CD sleeve was certainly designed for one. I'd forgotten about the "missing" booklet until I went to spin it today.

Went Deep Tracks (at least for the BC collection) a couple of days ago with the late November gray and cold rain and listened to Garcia Live Vol. 1 - 03/01/1980 - really hit the spot. And yes, there is a fine Mission in the Rain. Keyboards a bit weird but it was what it was for the era. Jerry's playing is fire.

I have a soft spot for that one. What a great, well written song.

Side trip - Billy and the Kids came up on my BluesTube suggestion list and I just hit it. James Casey just rips it.. I was recently wooed to this guy and just like that he is gone. What a talent and what a loss.

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Submitted by daverock on Mon, 11/27/2023 - 07:17

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I felt inspired to play this album again, after reading the messages on here. A great album, plenty of upfront Phil in the sound, which is always appreciated.

Bluecrow - there are sleeve notes with the record that aren't included in the cd. An essay by Dave Lemieux from July 2014, in which he suggest that November may be the peak of the peak for 1972. Along with the European tour, Veneta, September and October. Not New Year's Eve, too?

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Submitted by bluecrow on Mon, 11/27/2023 - 12:55

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Thanks DaveRock for confirming that there are sleeve notes for the 11/18/72 LP release. Hopefully someday I'll get to read them. And I too really dig how prominent Phil is in the mix.

Jim - Mission in the Rain was a song that took me awhile to come around to. A great song. Went deep cuts in the BC vault again yesterday while working on home improvement project and listened to Pure Jerry Warner Theatre March 18 1978. That late show is stunningly beautiful!! Very emotional. Every song is fantastic. My favorite Mission in the Rain and really pretty much favorite versions for all those songs. And the recording is an absolute gem of a Betty Board. A must own in my opinion.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Mon, 11/27/2023 - 13:57

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streamed that 1972-11-18
PITB!!
thru headphones
yesterday

Peace All,
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Submitted by daverock on Tue, 11/28/2023 - 03:13

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That was the quite the journey, how this song evolved during 1972. I can't think of any other song that started out so humbly and ended up so expansive within a 12 month period.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 11/28/2023 - 18:36

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Okay, this one is for all you 1980 fans. 12/13/1980 Long Beach CA. Courtesy of the good folks at 30 Days. Maybe Billy was at this show? Edit. Wait, that is too far south isn't it.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Wed, 11/29/2023 - 09:23

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Great show! That L > S > D finish to Set I featured in 30 days definitely caught my ear and I followed by going to the Scarlet > Fire to open Set II. Glad you suggested this show cause I intended to listen to the whole thing but it had already been swept on by in the general flow of things. Just 2 weeks after that great little run late Nov. that gave us DaP 8 in Atanta and of course Gainesville. Hadn't realized until going back that Airto Moreira and Flora Purim joined in on drumz > space (their first time, and they're also there the next night.) And there's a To Lay Me Down Set I. Good stuff!!

Bookmarking something completely different: 11/28/73 - Palace of Fine Arts, SF, CA - Jerry, Mickey, Ned Lagin, Phil. Some serious early live Seastone weirdness that in a way sounds much more like a precursor of Space than Seastones ca. 1974. I saw a photo of a fairly well-known poster for this show and a light bulb went on - wait, Jerry and Mickey? in 1973? what in the heck is this?

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Wed, 11/29/2023 - 09:43

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I picked the wrong one on 30 Days instead of the next Sailor>Saint>Deal on 12-13-80 but went back to catch the set opening Scarlet>Fire at someone's suggestion on 30 Days. A good era for sure. Will have to join in the fun today and maybe add Gainsville which I've never heard but certainly have heard of.
Cheers

I started listening to this on my phone at work. Finished it at home on the wired system. Sounded better on my phone.
Good solid post RCMH 1980 show. Yes, that To Lay Me Down is moving BC. My first exposure to this song was from Reckoning. I think I actually had and still have the LP which was titled For the Faithful. Of course I don't have a player now. Great version here, to tell sweet lies one more time!
Great Sailor Saint Deal to end the first set.
Scarlet Fire delivers, nice Playing. Great show.

Edit. The rest of the post got the Big Hey Now!!!!

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 12/01/2023 - 06:24

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...concur with DAVEROCK and his PITB assessment. I decided to stream pitb with headphones from 8 live performances during a 17 month period, and not go beyond the aforementioned 11/18/72: Hofheinz or include 8/27/72: Veneta (which I won’t get into at this time).

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Fri, 12/01/2023 - 06:45

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In memory of Doc's 1st show:
Dec. 1, 1973 Boston Music Hall.
It has a WRS.
Cheers
By the way how do we find out who won the grand prize of 30 Days? Only the download list up today.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 12/01/2023 - 06:52

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or will WMG's poorly written code end my discussion

edit this is obviously pathetic contract work

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 12/01/2023 - 07:00

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April 17 1971 Princeton
November 20 1971 UCLA
March 21 1972 Academy of Music
May 16 1972 Luxembourg
August 21 1972 BCT
September 17 1972 Baltimore
September 21 1972 Philadelphia

why did I venture into this exercise, well, because I stumbled upon Miles Davis Quintet “The Complete Live at the Plugged Nickel 1965 on wiki. Intrigued, I went directly to “Background”, and reading the comments therein how the band members were becoming restless and dissatisfied, and that it had become easy to play together. Interesting I thought, and how’s about that evolution of pitb. To be clear, in no way am I insinuating that the GD were becoming restless and dissatisfied. Also, it helps answer the question surrounding always pushing the envelope, and confirms my magnetic attraction to late ’72, ’73, and early ’74. I’m going to revisit this exercise with a random dozen shows from my electrically charged era in the near future... and 8/21 is my fav out of the 8, based upon overall mix, vocals, fantastic jamming.

I can tell your future, look what’s in your hand

Peace All!
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Submitted by daverock on Fri, 12/01/2023 - 10:42

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Uncle- it's a great song to listen to, outside the context of the shows in which it was performed during the timespan you mention. I don't know that the band were particularly dissatisfied during 1971, but Keith's joining did signal a left turn into previously unchartered territory. There is no evidence, that I have heard, that suggests Playing would have become a jamming vehicle until he joined.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 12/01/2023 - 15:44

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I love this three show run at Boston Music Hall Firstshow. Will que up 12/1/73 tomorrow. And then maybe revisit Dicks 14.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Fri, 12/01/2023 - 20:56

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He got his money's worth! The incredible China Rider transistion, smokin Big River, Brokedown, and we're just getting warmed up. Jerry's slide playing inspired in this show, WRS, Row Jimmy. Second set jam transitions all just smooth as silk.
Amazing show.
Cheers

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sat, 12/02/2023 - 04:58

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Mornin', rockers!!!

Here at work, gearing up to deal with multiple gunshot homicide, last day before vacation..........

Boston Music Hall 12/2/1971. Very odd & interesting show. No Truckin', Other One, or Dark Star. Only 1971 show with both Smokestack and Lovelight---both solid versions. Black Peter and a Brokedown. Plus lots of other gooey Grateful Dead goodness!

Lots of high quality copies are out there. Always worth a listen!!

Music is the best means we have of digesting time......

Off to morgue..................where there is never any Grateful Dead played.........

Rock on,

Doc
Music, when soft voices die
Vibrates in the memory.......

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 12/04/2023 - 14:17

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Been awfully slow here lately.

Driving home today from a quick errand and the Porsche Cayenne in front of me on the exit ramp had a personalized license plate that Said Hey Now! With some sort of Dead symbol between the Hey and the Now. You can't make it up. I thought about trying to communicate with the driver but then realized he might think I was a stalker.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Tue, 12/05/2023 - 03:35

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Yes, rockers, once again it is the anniversary of one of the greatest, weirdest, most bootlegged, and most interesting Grateful Dead shows of 1971----Felt Forum, December 5 1971.

The whole story is too long to tell here, but enlighten yourself with a listen, there are some very good copies of the matrix-like FM broadcast out there. It has pretty much everything you'd expect of a Dead show at that time.

Yet even after all these years, questions remain.................

1) I Wash My Hands In Muddy Water. This very country tune was pretty popular around 64-66, and Elvis himself put out a version in early 1971. How did it come to Garcia's attention and why was it only a one-off? Truthfully, the Dead's version sounds well rehearsed and is a neat little gem.

2) The vocal-less, so called "silent Dark Star". No words! What prompted that? However it came about, it's cool............

3) Every show in December was recorded, several have been released. Where is the pure soundboard copy of this show? Has it finally been returned to the band? One can only hope.................

4) Who was Uncle Sal???

The idea of music is to liberate the listener and lead him to a frame where he feels he is elevated.......

Rock on,

Doc
Music is the expression of the movement of the waters, the play of curves described by changing breezes.......

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Tue, 12/05/2023 - 09:26

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Due to increasingly restrictive privacy regulations and the desire to keep your data safe and secure. We apologize for the inconvenience and thank you kindly for your understanding. This is my frustration; as it totally has a mind of its own to when where how or why; so you know, no soup for me! and possibly others too, oh yes this was written in six edits

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Submitted by Obeah on Tue, 12/05/2023 - 16:39

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Doc how'd it go with that one? Forensic pathology seems not only useful to society at large but also a very thought-provoking way to spend one's time.

Now then...
>The whole story is too long to tell here
...if you want to tell more, I have ears to... well, I have eyes to read

bc 12/5/71 never gets old for me. I think the recording is a factor - I often wonder, if this one came out on Dave's Vol 22, would it have the same almost tangible electricity? Is there something about the mind filling in the gaps a bit, and positing improvements - that perhaps, things could be even more intense if only the signal to noise ratio was improved in our favour; if the room's reverb were lessened; if some Plangent sauce was applied? Sometimes I think I shade 12/5 with the tint of yesterday, because I heard it so many times before I ever heard 12/6 or 7. I've probably listened to 12/5 at least a dozen times since Dave's 22 came out, yet in the same span I've probably played Vol 22 three times through at most. I'd put that down to habit and familiarity. I had planned to listen to 12/5 tonight but maybe I should grab that Dave's and give it another really good listen instead...

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 12/06/2023 - 03:23

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OBEAH---

Death is not extinguishing the light; it is only putting out the lamp because the dawn has come.......

Multiple gunshot cases are the most challenging, akin to an autopsy marathon. You can't start out sprinting, instead, start out easy and finish strong. Takes planning, determination, and perseverance. Easy to find the injuries, sometimes much harder to find the "evidence"----bullets and fragments. You never want to bury lead................

Of all the gods only death does not desire gifts.........

Doc
Look for me in the nurseries of Heaven.......

Ah yes, one should not bury the lede. Neither the lead. Thanks for those observations, doc... gave me a lot to mull over this morning. A marathon... yes.

I ended taking my own advice (er... suggestion) and putting on 12/6/71 last night. I had some observations typed up but now I can't recall if I actually posted them... I was interrupted by my good wife during Wharf Rat, which seemed a reasonable time to look up from my brown study. I had been absolutely entranced starting with PITB, short but getting longer as '71 progressed. And that Other One... my word... just excellent. In my observations I remember thinking how impressed I was with Keith, and how accomplished he was just a mere few weeks into playing live with these guys... leaving space, a lot of space, but when coming in, his feel and expression on the keys was never tentative but consistently assured. No wonder Phil makes that comment (at the Academy of Music a few months later? I forget) about "our new keyboardist... well, actually, he's our old keyboardist; we just didn't know it yet"

Been listening to that glorious MSG Box again lately. Haven't listened to 10/11/83 more than once so need to get that show rolling again.

Stay well out there.