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  • #1281
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    >daverock>

    The vocal dropouts are not evident in the audience tape, so that must have happened on the way to the board tape.

    That said, the recording is slightly overpowered by Jerry and Bob's guitars from the taper's vantage point, but a little time with a simple Equalizer was enough to bring more Phil and better presence to the vocals. I do recall a few lyric flubs with the new material, but in the overall mix it didn't really jump out at me. Probably much more obvious in the official release/soundboard recording.

    2/22/69>
    Oh, my. I can see this is gonna send me on a primal quest. I have all these fall '69 and fall '68 shows that I've never listened to, but I don't have much from the spring of those years. I love this gentle psychedelia. It's really these delicate type of sounds that really trigger the senses. I'm only up to Dark Star at this point, but what a beautiful way to start a show.... oops, "The transitive diamonds?" Haha. I'd probably have trouble remembering my name if I were there, so whatever.

    It's such a shame that we're restricted to streaming this show. Imho, if the official release isn't so significantly better sounding than one of these circulating boards that it isn't a no-brainer to buy it, then what's with the classism, eh? I know the boys need a retirement plan... but... --mini rant off--

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    Rockthing - good notes on this show - cheers! I'm going through it very slowly, but it's the L.P. I am listening to. Although it has the famous vocal drop outs, the sound and balance of the instruments sounds fine throughout to me. I have just played the side with Loose Lucy and Money Money on. A short side. The lyrics are a bit naff on both of them - but I like the music, and they were both played so rarely that when they do crop up, it's a welcome surprise to me.
    I presume the version you have listened to has the earlier vocal dropouts too.

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    Wrote these notes on Monday morning while drinking my coffee and getting ready to do some work from home. After a while I was mostly distracted by the show.

    I'll get to that Feb. 22 '69 show if I can, but I don't have that one handy. Hafta stream it.

    The ETree identifier of this source is 115876, btw. I don't have the box set, so these are my first impressions.

    It Must Have Been The Roses: Ok. /Now/ I'm awake. Possible tape change? There is suddenly a big improvement in sound quality for this hauntingly sensitive rendition. Jerry's voice is now clear above the guitars. Everything, save Phil, is suddenly much clearer and the sound field feels wider. Up to this point the tape had sounded like the tape the biker is listening to at the beginning of the Dead Movie. Nice harmony work during the refrain, blended well in the house mix.

    Loose Lucy: Gettin' in the funk. Jerry's just perfectly behind the beat to make it nice and nasty. If the syncopation isn't just right, this tune can completely lose all form really quickly. Loose Lucy must be a pretty new song at this point. I have no idea when this tune debuted. They didn't do this in concert much, as far as I know. I was lucky enough to see'em do it once, but the performance I saw was almost unrecognizable. Something was wrong with the timing, so it sounded all backwards. I was embarrassed to not even recognize it until Jerry started singing. This is a nice treat.

    I Know You Rider? Something seems to be wrong here. The info text says Money Money should be next followed by China/Rider, but we're just dropped into IKYR. Looks like some minor surgery might be needed on the meta data.

    Money Money: Ok. Someone's just mislabelled these files. Man, this has always been one of my least favourite songs in the Dead's catalogue. I rarely skip songs on albums, but being the album closer on Mars Hotel makes it easy. I don't think I've ever heard a live version of it, so this is kind of a treat, in its own sort of way. Having not heard it in such a long time, I guess it's not such a bad song. The negativity of the lyric just sems to strike such a contrast to most of the other stuff in the repertoire. John Lennon, for example, has a lot of negativity in his lyrics, but when I listen to him, I expect that.

    China Rider: Yeah. They're keepin' that funky groove going that was working so well during Loose Lucy. The transition jam seems to go almost immediately to an I Know You Rider feel. The guitar tone is very unusual here. It almost sounds like Bobby's Gibson 335 tone. He's playing lots of double-stops, where he plays two notes at a time even while soloing… wait… maybe that /was/ Bobby!? Some very cool interplay between Bobby and Phil before a guitar sound that is unmistakably Jerry joins in just ahead of the trademark unison bit before I Know You Rider. What is now clearly Jerry's tone keeps it going after the unison part, and now there's a Feelin' Groovy jam. I can almost see the smiling faces and twirling homemade sun dresses with flowers in the hair right now. Big, big ovation from the crowd as they settle into the Rider vamp before going into the first verse. They know what they've just heard. That was sweet, breezy, and smooth as can be. I'm guessing Jerry had some sort of equipment or other issue causing him to stop playing for a bit at the beginning of the transition. Oh, yeah, Jer, dig into that "On a north bound train" line. This and the out-of-place IKYR are going to get merged into one track when I get a chance.

    Set II:
    Promised Land: Yeah. Everybody's definitely up off their blankets now.

    Bertha: Got a little "Yee Haw" from someone nearby for "All night pouring, but not a drop on me." It's quite amazing how inobtrusive the audience is, considering this was recorded with a handheld mic by someone just hanging out in crowd.

    Greatest Story: Nice wah wah Jerry licks. Jerry's wah is so bubbly and has a rich swell, like the sound of a wave on the ocean. Using the rocking motion of the foot pedal definitely puts the player physically off balance, so I can understand why he seemed to abandon it later in favor of the Mutron "auto-wah" tone filter. Sounds so good here, though. Jerry's volume sounds cranked, though, totally drowning everything out. I ain't complaining. Oh, yeah. A little jam in GSET? They seem to have gone into something altogether different. I'm not sure if this is a set piece, but it feels unfamiliar to me. I know that I've heard occasional jams in Greatest Story, but they seem rare. This is definitely no longer the Greatest Story chord progression, but I don't know what it is, and then Wamp, Wamp-Wamp, right back into it. Now I'm gonna hafta start checking out Spring 1974 Greatest Stories. That was hot and adventurous, like maybe something went wrong and they fought through it… but maybe there was just a jam in this song back then.

    Ship of Fools: Giving the manic dancers their first break of the second set. The taper is stopping the tape between songs, though, so who knows how long they spent tuning in between. Very nice harmony work from Bobby and Donna.

    Weather Report: Seems a bit tentative in the earlier segments, but the Let It Grow jam is developing interestingly. The whole band just seems sort of in a gentle mood this night. Everything is soft and malleable, and most of all, creative, when they go off into improvised sections. The straight tunes are tight and, well, straightforward, but I'm hearing all sorts of novel ideas coming through during the instrumental segments. There seems to be a completely different confidence at work during this jazzy work out. You can hear Billy getting back to his swing roots and playing off Keith. This is fantastic. Such subtle interplay. Normally when I hear the full suite performed I wonder why they didn't continue to use the first parts, but in this case I didn't feel that way.

    Peggy-O: Jerry's picking is quite aggressive, and his tone is very chimey, even behind his vocal. Relaxed tempo, even by Peggy-O standards. In this recording it sounds almost like Billy and Jerry doing a duet, but Keith adds some accents here and there.

    ??: What is this? A playful little jam and some quiet noodling where the audience's shouts and requests become more prominent. Bobby announces technical difficulties.

    Truckin': Nice buildup, but not the major bomb drop I'm used to, and from there things start to get really weird. It's not spacy weird, just, "Whoa, what the heck is this?" weird. Some of the early 70s Truckin's could get totally abstract, so this is just the way they rolled back then. Great stuff. Gettin' that funky groove goin' from the first set again, even as the changes take on some jazzy influences. Bobby is very clear in the mix, and my oh, my it's gettin' Weir'ed. Jerry busts in with a burst of guitar feedback which seems to shock everyone for a moment, but they're still groovin'. This is the gold I look for in any show. It's funny because Mind Left Body actually sounds a lot like Loose Lucy. Billy and Phil getting' into a little funky-drummer exchange. Finally Phil breaks through in the mix with some space for him to hit that Bootsy one. In the info text "Jam" and "Mind Left Body Jam" had been listed separately, but they're actually all included in the Truckin' track, which is my preference. Cousinit made a real mess of this file set, but I can fix it. Rarely are there such glaring mistakes on the Archive, but this one has definitely been put together somewhat carelessly.

    NFA: This interesting because I've been listening to a lot of Alligator era NFA's or Bean era NFA's, and that gives a nice context to compare to this Wolf tone… of course, there is a LOT of recording tech affecting the sound here, but even though there's a nice honk, everything seems so nice and round and gently muted. Hey. What's this breakdown in NFA. Pretty sure I've never heard that before… and GTRFB. THAT, was an interesting transition.

    GTRFB: Nothing to worry about here. The old standby. Billy's hi-hat figure during the breakdown is, again, getting really funky with a swinging 16th note feel, or something. Very cool.

    US Blues: Mars Hotel weighted setlist. What month did that come out? Good, tight version.

    Johnny B. Goode: Full colosseum clap along for a high energy reading that does justice to the Check Berry original. Sometimes this can get a bit too languid. This one is rockin' hard.

    On repeated listen, I've messed with the EQ some. First of all I bumped up the EQ preamp level, I dunno, about 10db, I guess. I then added a further 12db of 64Hz, and 125Hz on the 10 band EQ to bring Phil nicely into the mix, but also lowered almost everything else about 6db on frequencies that had been flat to make the bass frequency differential greater. The bass still isn't terribly defined, but it at least brings Phil into play. He was completely inaudible without EQ. Got just a touch more vocal by giving the 1KHz and 2KHz about 1db. The tape has a sort of nostalgic cheap car speaker sound, so I actually wanna preserve a bit of that… not that I could really get rid of it. There's quite a nice venue ambiance, especially when there is more space in the arrangements, like during the Mind Left Body Jam.

    The vocal drop-outs others have mentioned were not audible to the audience.

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    That is a great show. According to the cd notes it was recorded, along with shows in late January and the Feb-March shows, for possible inclusion on Live Dead. It probably won't happen - the song lists are obviously very similar, but it would make a great box set to release all the shows recorded.
    The shows from 1967-1971 inclusive are the main ones for me in 30 Trips.

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    Mornin’, rockers!!!

    Pick Of The Day: Dream Bowl February 22, 1969

    Relatively speaking, the yang to the yin of February 21, 1969. True art is characterized by an irresistible urge in the creative artist…..

    I have the space, you have the time, let’s revisit. Officially released in October 2015 as part of Thirty Trips Around The Sun, one almost never hears about this show, possibly because it gets overshadowed by the blazing white hot glare of the Fillmore West Shows of February 27th to March 2nd. This is very much “of a kind” with those shows, featuring the typically sweet Mountains Of The Moon (always loved that song!), a long exploratory Dark Star, a fierce, crunchy Other One, a deathly Death Don’t, a fine Eleven, and a greasy Lovelight that clocks in at a mere 21+ minutes.

    Great music, great sound quality, I suggest you find the time…..

    The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once…..

    Rock on,

    Doc
    There comes a time when the mind takes a higher plane of knowledge but can never prove how it got there…..

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    That's good to read - they opened with Mississippi Half Step - Franklins Tower the first time I saw them 3/24/81. A great start to the show for sure.

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    In my experience, any show that starts off with Mississippi half-step uptown toodleloo is usually a great one and 5-19-74 is no exception. That pacific northwest box grows on ya, for sure.

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    I haven't played it this year yet, but it has become one of my most played shows from this year - mainly because I bought it on vinyl. But it is really good, too. To me, it's better than its song list suggests - the songs leading up to the Truckin' jam are well played and forward moving, and that final jam is superb. It has been castigated in some quarters for the vocal drop outs. A price worth paying, in my opinion. All three 1974 shows in the box it was culled from are top notch.

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    Hey Bluecrow, #13 is definitely in my top five. Love this show. Listen to it quite a bit. #42 hasn't resonated with me as much as #13, don't know why. How do you all feel?

    I will throw out Dave's Picks #7, 4/24/78, for our old buddy That's Otis. I believe you are fan of this era. Hope all is well out there for you and the rest of the crew!

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    I've got a beta-max transfer of 2/24/74... which stayed in heavy rotation for a long time when it first hit my library, but low and behold Portland 74 has collecting proverbial dust in the old hard disk, too. Time for something brand new (to me).

    A Pat Lee master cassette passed down the generations.

    It's a little hissy, and I'm not getting much Phil at the start, but Jerry and Bob's gutiars are crystal clear. Jerry's voice coming in a close second in the mix with some occasional Keith flourishes wafting to the fore. Billy's cymbals sound crisp, if somewhat thin. Getting a nice Jamaican dub sound when he switches to the highhat. Kick is in there, clear, but with with a soft tone, and none of the hyper-compressed abrasive contemporary festival sound. Donna's harmonies are on, and blended well with Jerry and Bob for the Across the Rio Grande-oh finale of Halfstep. Jerry plays an aggressive outro solo.

    Mexicali: The mix and tape quality remain consistent. It's mostly a guitar oriented sound, but Bobby's voice is clear, if slightly too far back. Even in '74 they could do this one in their sleep. Have you ever heard a real train wreck during Mexicali? I can't recall one. A fan let's out a hoarse, "Whao!" apparently feeling the southwest polka vibes.

    Big Railroad Blues. Love me some BRB. There are short pauses in the tape where Pat Lee is clearly well aware of the need to conserve footage. Could do with A LOT more Phil in the mix. Might fiddle with the EQ in a bit.

    Black Throated Wind: Awkward song that I sometimes really like, and other times can do without.

    Scarlet: Crowd gives Donna a big cheer as the song reaches it's finale. Of course they egged Bobby on with some of his crazy antics, too, but it's nice to hear that early 70s audiences appreciated her contributions.

    Beat It On Down The Line: Always love this one. Nice double vocal from Bobby and Donna. Some unfortunate microphone feedback during Jerry's solo. Phil's backing vocals are there. The bass frequencies either never made it onto the cassette, or have evaporated through the generations of open reels and cassettes.

    Tennessee Jed: Nice bounce to this laid-back rendition. Another one of my favorite tunes, as I've mentioned before. Another nice, appreciative response from the audience who are almost completely unnoticeable for the majority of the time.

    Bobby McGee. I picture the audience mostly having a lie-down on the lawn during this first set. Just a nice day in the park with some live music in the background.

    Ok, well, that's as far as I'll get in this sitting, but really looking forward to that big Truckin' jam at the end of the show. Now spoilers! 😉 Just kidding.

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Submitted by MDJim on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 12:35

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Most of us took out second mortgages on our homes when 30 Trips was released.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 12:37

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JimInMD is no longer in Time Out.

I can post again. Two, make that three, multi-syllable words. For what it's worth, it's probable some outside firm or contractor did the web site modifications. If so, I bet they were performed exactly as agreed upon and everything was signed off in advance. If so, it cost them money to do it and it will cost them more money to undo or modify it. Poor planning is no way to go through life.

They are playing Nov 1 1979 Pittsburgh on Sat Radio. That one's a keeper

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Submitted by bluecrow on Mon, 11/20/2023 - 17:36

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Sweet sounding chunk of this show in this week's tapers. nice alternative to the hay now blues. check it out if you haven't already.

acoustic - Monkey & The Engineer, Little Sadie > Black Peter
electric - China Cat > I Know You Rider > High Time > Dire Wolf

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Tue, 11/21/2023 - 05:33

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Haven't used this word since the early 2000’s ...clunky
absolutely downright clunky

...Well they're putting up resistance but I know that my faith will lead me on.

Peace All:)
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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Tue, 11/21/2023 - 10:08

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Taper's is good 'ol GD this week.
All 3 are great.
Poor little Sadie. What did she ever do to deserve her fate?
Cheers

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Submitted by marye on Tue, 11/21/2023 - 10:28

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I am passing these reports up the line and am really sorry for the difficulties.

Thanks MaryE.

Anymore of this and I will never be able to listen to Iko Iko again. As it is now, the intro riff brings on my own version of PTSD.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Thu, 11/23/2023 - 07:29

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For all you deadheads and pecan pie.
Cheers

Have an enjoyable one today.

Just read an interesting article about Phil's new project is it called Darkstarathon, I think. The opening tag line is Hey Now, welcome to the Darkstarathon!

For keeping it real and being antidote to what sometimes feels like "corporate" responses and hoops. Not fully gotten over the condition of the discs delivered in my HCS box though since they all played, am thankful for that, getting the music if not the condition paid for. Having half of them arrive with minor scratches and bits of glue stuck to several edges from mindless, careless packaging, have we sent the message clearly enough? I debated asking for replacements, still feel less than satisfied with the response or lack thereof. Have only had one other problem disc in nearly twenty years of DPs, DaPs and box sets.

Actually listening to Kezar this morning from the box. Damn, is it good. Jerry's guitar is so crisp and the overall sound quality still amazes me for this show.

Yes, the manufacturing issues are a bummer. No excuse for that.

Edit. And my post went through on the first attempt!

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Submitted by Obeah on Fri, 11/24/2023 - 10:05

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Not sure if this is the best forum for this...

...but can anyone help fill me in, or direct me to info, about Record Store Day and how/when dead dot net gets involved? I am asking because the estimable Alvarhanso steered me to 11/18/72. Apparently that was an RSD release in 2014 (or a Black Friday RSD release? That's part of why I need help here) and I've seen blog posts saying it was available for sale "at the Dead's official website". Just wondering if that was true, and if I should pay more attention. I managed to pick up a copy (CD not LP) for sixty bucks but I want to avoid sleeping on this kind of thing in the future. Thanks for any tips

Also I want to give a shout to Marye for always keeping this place going. Happy Belated Thanksgiving, neighbor! And the same to all of you good folks here. Cheers everyone

what little I know... others please fill in and correct me. Believe RSD releases vinyl arranged with WMG/Rhino, not ever sold on dead.net. The second set of 11/18/72 was available briefly as a single CD from dead.net years ago, not long after or around the time it came out on vinyl for RSD 2014. It rocks. The first set has never seen daylight on the archive, far as I know, major audio issues. Strongly suggest check out the next night, 11/19, full glory in the archive, a Charlie Miller soundboard AND an excellent Dark Star.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 11/25/2023 - 07:06

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I think you have that exactly correct. Man, I wish they both had all the reels from that Texas run and released it as a mini box. That PITB is an all timer. I can find PITB's I love in almost any era, and I have an affinity for the 73 and 74 spacey monsters, but nothing beats an on fire 1972 Playin' in the Band and that one from Holfheinz Pavilion is real and it's spectacular.

Fingers crossed this gets through

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Hope everybody had a happy, fun, and delicious Turkey Day, and a long weekend to kick back.

Lucky to have snagged a copy of the 11/18/72 CD back in the day. It's a beauty. Spinning it now. Dig the artwork, one of my favorites in the Dead archival release genre. Minor technical note. Hofheinz Pavilion is at Univ. of Houston, not TCU which is Ft. Worth. 11/14/71 at TCU was the bonus disc for the Austin road trips. Hopefully 11/19/72 sees the light of day as a formal release.

final edit - I literally had to build this post up sentence by edited sentence after getting DQ'd my first couple go arounds.

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Submitted by dmcvt on Sat, 11/25/2023 - 11:37

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Right you are... not sure how I came up with TCU and looking at the CD case, it reads Houston, Texas, no mention of Hofheinz Pavilion, though that's the venue. A Bear original recording, mastered by Jeffrey Norman, the disc is marked HDCD but I see no mention of plangent process. Not much information, no booklet in the sleeve cover and the artwork is outstanding indeed.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 11/25/2023 - 12:26

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Decided it was time to revisit that that 11/14/71 TCU disc. NP.

DMCVT - the missing(?) booklet from the 11/18/72 CD release is sort of a puzzle. Can't say for sure but guessing there were liner notes for the LP release (can anyone here confirm?) and that somewhere along the line the corresponding booklet for the CD never materialized and there was a collective shrug by the involved folks. The CD sleeve was certainly designed for one. I'd forgotten about the "missing" booklet until I went to spin it today.

Went Deep Tracks (at least for the BC collection) a couple of days ago with the late November gray and cold rain and listened to Garcia Live Vol. 1 - 03/01/1980 - really hit the spot. And yes, there is a fine Mission in the Rain. Keyboards a bit weird but it was what it was for the era. Jerry's playing is fire.

I have a soft spot for that one. What a great, well written song.

Side trip - Billy and the Kids came up on my BluesTube suggestion list and I just hit it. James Casey just rips it.. I was recently wooed to this guy and just like that he is gone. What a talent and what a loss.

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Submitted by daverock on Mon, 11/27/2023 - 07:17

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I felt inspired to play this album again, after reading the messages on here. A great album, plenty of upfront Phil in the sound, which is always appreciated.

Bluecrow - there are sleeve notes with the record that aren't included in the cd. An essay by Dave Lemieux from July 2014, in which he suggest that November may be the peak of the peak for 1972. Along with the European tour, Veneta, September and October. Not New Year's Eve, too?

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Submitted by bluecrow on Mon, 11/27/2023 - 12:55

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Thanks DaveRock for confirming that there are sleeve notes for the 11/18/72 LP release. Hopefully someday I'll get to read them. And I too really dig how prominent Phil is in the mix.

Jim - Mission in the Rain was a song that took me awhile to come around to. A great song. Went deep cuts in the BC vault again yesterday while working on home improvement project and listened to Pure Jerry Warner Theatre March 18 1978. That late show is stunningly beautiful!! Very emotional. Every song is fantastic. My favorite Mission in the Rain and really pretty much favorite versions for all those songs. And the recording is an absolute gem of a Betty Board. A must own in my opinion.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Mon, 11/27/2023 - 13:57

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streamed that 1972-11-18
PITB!!
thru headphones
yesterday

Peace All,
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Submitted by daverock on Tue, 11/28/2023 - 03:13

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That was the quite the journey, how this song evolved during 1972. I can't think of any other song that started out so humbly and ended up so expansive within a 12 month period.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 11/28/2023 - 18:36

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Okay, this one is for all you 1980 fans. 12/13/1980 Long Beach CA. Courtesy of the good folks at 30 Days. Maybe Billy was at this show? Edit. Wait, that is too far south isn't it.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Wed, 11/29/2023 - 09:23

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Great show! That L > S > D finish to Set I featured in 30 days definitely caught my ear and I followed by going to the Scarlet > Fire to open Set II. Glad you suggested this show cause I intended to listen to the whole thing but it had already been swept on by in the general flow of things. Just 2 weeks after that great little run late Nov. that gave us DaP 8 in Atanta and of course Gainesville. Hadn't realized until going back that Airto Moreira and Flora Purim joined in on drumz > space (their first time, and they're also there the next night.) And there's a To Lay Me Down Set I. Good stuff!!

Bookmarking something completely different: 11/28/73 - Palace of Fine Arts, SF, CA - Jerry, Mickey, Ned Lagin, Phil. Some serious early live Seastone weirdness that in a way sounds much more like a precursor of Space than Seastones ca. 1974. I saw a photo of a fairly well-known poster for this show and a light bulb went on - wait, Jerry and Mickey? in 1973? what in the heck is this?

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Wed, 11/29/2023 - 09:43

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I picked the wrong one on 30 Days instead of the next Sailor>Saint>Deal on 12-13-80 but went back to catch the set opening Scarlet>Fire at someone's suggestion on 30 Days. A good era for sure. Will have to join in the fun today and maybe add Gainsville which I've never heard but certainly have heard of.
Cheers

I started listening to this on my phone at work. Finished it at home on the wired system. Sounded better on my phone.
Good solid post RCMH 1980 show. Yes, that To Lay Me Down is moving BC. My first exposure to this song was from Reckoning. I think I actually had and still have the LP which was titled For the Faithful. Of course I don't have a player now. Great version here, to tell sweet lies one more time!
Great Sailor Saint Deal to end the first set.
Scarlet Fire delivers, nice Playing. Great show.

Edit. The rest of the post got the Big Hey Now!!!!

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 12/01/2023 - 06:24

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...concur with DAVEROCK and his PITB assessment. I decided to stream pitb with headphones from 8 live performances during a 17 month period, and not go beyond the aforementioned 11/18/72: Hofheinz or include 8/27/72: Veneta (which I won’t get into at this time).

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Fri, 12/01/2023 - 06:45

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In memory of Doc's 1st show:
Dec. 1, 1973 Boston Music Hall.
It has a WRS.
Cheers
By the way how do we find out who won the grand prize of 30 Days? Only the download list up today.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 12/01/2023 - 06:52

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or will WMG's poorly written code end my discussion

edit this is obviously pathetic contract work

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 12/01/2023 - 07:00

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April 17 1971 Princeton
November 20 1971 UCLA
March 21 1972 Academy of Music
May 16 1972 Luxembourg
August 21 1972 BCT
September 17 1972 Baltimore
September 21 1972 Philadelphia

why did I venture into this exercise, well, because I stumbled upon Miles Davis Quintet “The Complete Live at the Plugged Nickel 1965 on wiki. Intrigued, I went directly to “Background”, and reading the comments therein how the band members were becoming restless and dissatisfied, and that it had become easy to play together. Interesting I thought, and how’s about that evolution of pitb. To be clear, in no way am I insinuating that the GD were becoming restless and dissatisfied. Also, it helps answer the question surrounding always pushing the envelope, and confirms my magnetic attraction to late ’72, ’73, and early ’74. I’m going to revisit this exercise with a random dozen shows from my electrically charged era in the near future... and 8/21 is my fav out of the 8, based upon overall mix, vocals, fantastic jamming.

I can tell your future, look what’s in your hand

Peace All!
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Submitted by daverock on Fri, 12/01/2023 - 10:42

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Uncle- it's a great song to listen to, outside the context of the shows in which it was performed during the timespan you mention. I don't know that the band were particularly dissatisfied during 1971, but Keith's joining did signal a left turn into previously unchartered territory. There is no evidence, that I have heard, that suggests Playing would have become a jamming vehicle until he joined.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 12/01/2023 - 15:44

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I love this three show run at Boston Music Hall Firstshow. Will que up 12/1/73 tomorrow. And then maybe revisit Dicks 14.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Fri, 12/01/2023 - 20:56

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He got his money's worth! The incredible China Rider transistion, smokin Big River, Brokedown, and we're just getting warmed up. Jerry's slide playing inspired in this show, WRS, Row Jimmy. Second set jam transitions all just smooth as silk.
Amazing show.
Cheers

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sat, 12/02/2023 - 04:58

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Mornin', rockers!!!

Here at work, gearing up to deal with multiple gunshot homicide, last day before vacation..........

Boston Music Hall 12/2/1971. Very odd & interesting show. No Truckin', Other One, or Dark Star. Only 1971 show with both Smokestack and Lovelight---both solid versions. Black Peter and a Brokedown. Plus lots of other gooey Grateful Dead goodness!

Lots of high quality copies are out there. Always worth a listen!!

Music is the best means we have of digesting time......

Off to morgue..................where there is never any Grateful Dead played.........

Rock on,

Doc
Music, when soft voices die
Vibrates in the memory.......

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 12/04/2023 - 14:17

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Been awfully slow here lately.

Driving home today from a quick errand and the Porsche Cayenne in front of me on the exit ramp had a personalized license plate that Said Hey Now! With some sort of Dead symbol between the Hey and the Now. You can't make it up. I thought about trying to communicate with the driver but then realized he might think I was a stalker.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Tue, 12/05/2023 - 03:35

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Yes, rockers, once again it is the anniversary of one of the greatest, weirdest, most bootlegged, and most interesting Grateful Dead shows of 1971----Felt Forum, December 5 1971.

The whole story is too long to tell here, but enlighten yourself with a listen, there are some very good copies of the matrix-like FM broadcast out there. It has pretty much everything you'd expect of a Dead show at that time.

Yet even after all these years, questions remain.................

1) I Wash My Hands In Muddy Water. This very country tune was pretty popular around 64-66, and Elvis himself put out a version in early 1971. How did it come to Garcia's attention and why was it only a one-off? Truthfully, the Dead's version sounds well rehearsed and is a neat little gem.

2) The vocal-less, so called "silent Dark Star". No words! What prompted that? However it came about, it's cool............

3) Every show in December was recorded, several have been released. Where is the pure soundboard copy of this show? Has it finally been returned to the band? One can only hope.................

4) Who was Uncle Sal???

The idea of music is to liberate the listener and lead him to a frame where he feels he is elevated.......

Rock on,

Doc
Music is the expression of the movement of the waters, the play of curves described by changing breezes.......

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Tue, 12/05/2023 - 09:26

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Due to increasingly restrictive privacy regulations and the desire to keep your data safe and secure. We apologize for the inconvenience and thank you kindly for your understanding. This is my frustration; as it totally has a mind of its own to when where how or why; so you know, no soup for me! and possibly others too, oh yes this was written in six edits

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Submitted by Obeah on Tue, 12/05/2023 - 16:39

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Doc how'd it go with that one? Forensic pathology seems not only useful to society at large but also a very thought-provoking way to spend one's time.

Now then...
>The whole story is too long to tell here
...if you want to tell more, I have ears to... well, I have eyes to read

bc 12/5/71 never gets old for me. I think the recording is a factor - I often wonder, if this one came out on Dave's Vol 22, would it have the same almost tangible electricity? Is there something about the mind filling in the gaps a bit, and positing improvements - that perhaps, things could be even more intense if only the signal to noise ratio was improved in our favour; if the room's reverb were lessened; if some Plangent sauce was applied? Sometimes I think I shade 12/5 with the tint of yesterday, because I heard it so many times before I ever heard 12/6 or 7. I've probably listened to 12/5 at least a dozen times since Dave's 22 came out, yet in the same span I've probably played Vol 22 three times through at most. I'd put that down to habit and familiarity. I had planned to listen to 12/5 tonight but maybe I should grab that Dave's and give it another really good listen instead...

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 12/06/2023 - 03:23

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OBEAH---

Death is not extinguishing the light; it is only putting out the lamp because the dawn has come.......

Multiple gunshot cases are the most challenging, akin to an autopsy marathon. You can't start out sprinting, instead, start out easy and finish strong. Takes planning, determination, and perseverance. Easy to find the injuries, sometimes much harder to find the "evidence"----bullets and fragments. You never want to bury lead................

Of all the gods only death does not desire gifts.........

Doc
Look for me in the nurseries of Heaven.......

Ah yes, one should not bury the lede. Neither the lead. Thanks for those observations, doc... gave me a lot to mull over this morning. A marathon... yes.

I ended taking my own advice (er... suggestion) and putting on 12/6/71 last night. I had some observations typed up but now I can't recall if I actually posted them... I was interrupted by my good wife during Wharf Rat, which seemed a reasonable time to look up from my brown study. I had been absolutely entranced starting with PITB, short but getting longer as '71 progressed. And that Other One... my word... just excellent. In my observations I remember thinking how impressed I was with Keith, and how accomplished he was just a mere few weeks into playing live with these guys... leaving space, a lot of space, but when coming in, his feel and expression on the keys was never tentative but consistently assured. No wonder Phil makes that comment (at the Academy of Music a few months later? I forget) about "our new keyboardist... well, actually, he's our old keyboardist; we just didn't know it yet"

Been listening to that glorious MSG Box again lately. Haven't listened to 10/11/83 more than once so need to get that show rolling again.

Stay well out there.