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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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    I agree Stuman. Vista sucks. Lets hope Windows 7 will be better now that we have all paid to debug Vista for them. It may be worth avoiding the built in burner and instead use a separate (and free) burning programme such as Burn4Free
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    vista and xp compatability
    First thing , no offence to vist users but umm vista sucks . thats just my opinion of course. From time to time discs burned with vista are not compatible with xp systmes . so here is what my wife has to do everytime she burns a disc for me . " First go to my computer - click on open it will say "burn a disc" disc title she has to leave blank - just leave the date there or it will not burn correctly - there is a "show formating options" with an arrow button , click on it then click -mastered- then drag and drop - then click burn to disc. " Now i dunno if all vista systmes are like this but thats how my wife has to do it . I hope this helps .. Take care and I hope everyone has a super nice day !! Stu ..
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    As of August 21, the viner known as Exploratory Data Analysis (EDA) has changed his name officially to Exploratory Data Analysis Dead (EDAD). We are sorry for any incovenience this may cause.
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    Ok, I'll ring in on the debate...
    Like many here I remember the days of analog and the introduction to digital. I will say after being immersed in digital since the mid 80's and up until about a year ago, I've made the swtich back to analog format. What I mean is I prefer analog for many reasons. Of course, I don't have all these shows on cassette , reels and LP anymore; I have my share of CD's, DATs, DVDs and HD's, but I now employ a complete analog system. I use a Dynaco ST-70 tube amp and a Dynaco PAS-2 tube preamp. I also use my Revox A-77 reel to reel, Thorens TD-125 mk II turntable with the Shure SME 3009 R2 tone arm, and I've got a Yamaha KX-630 tape deck. I've also got a Sony DAT ZA5ES. I'm using a assortment of speakers from Bose 301 series II mid 80's, Altec late 70's bookshelfs, and finally getting some Klipsch La Scalla's from mid 80's. I use a regular commericial Sony CD player but use a "cheap" but effective digital to analog converter that uses a Burr Brown PCM-1716 chip. I use the digital out from the CD player into the DA converter...so there is only one conversion to analog. What I'm saying is this: old debate of digital is compressed anyway in comparison to a nice master reel, well pressed LP. Of course, digital get's better when the sample rate is higher and the resolution increases. However, I still will contend after years of using digital professionally as a studio engineer and as a musician has it's advantages greatly, but I still rather fancy the sound of analog better. As for the archive , it's simply that a resource library of digital material. One thing for sure is that digital is THE way for mass producing and distributing music. However, just last year the greatest increase in sales was in vinyl records that are being pressed by re-issues of older recordings or new releases by artists who relish analog formats. by the way, you can still get the digital SBD stuff via stream if you really want to work at it you get a digital s/pdif output from your computer via the USB - take that feed and go digital into a either another HD or DAT - then you can input that into some editing software splice the gaps, it won't be bit for bit, but it will be marginal digital quality... Ursa Minor http://www.myspace.com/donnieloeffler "the warm wet world of analog audio"
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    Lossless DL from Archive
    For GD shows you can only do this for Audience recordings. Soundboards may only be streamed. Go for example to http://www.archive.org/details/gd1975-06-17.aud.unknown.87560.flac16 Scroll down the page to the heading Individual Files. You will see a whole table of files and formats. The first column is headed FLAC. Click on each file to DL it. Tedious but it works. If you DL the Down'em all plug in for Firefox you can DL all the FLACs in one go and save a lot of bother. Other Artists let you DL FLACs of Soundboards, including David Gans http://www.archive.org/details/DG20030420.flac16
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    Hey we have to have somthing to talk about , lol .. And I agree with the rest of what you said CB. You said we can download flac from the archives site ? that one is still a mystery to me . maybe I`m doing something wrong there . And yes we should purchase some offical releases when we can , and I do that when my credit card allows me to do so ..
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    Perhaps it is better not to think of The Archive as a trading site, but as a permanent online library. It is like a massive stored music collection that belongs to everyone. So downloading a file as an MP3 from the Archive is like making an MP3 from your own losslessly stored music collection. So long as the FLAC/SHN files remain permanently on the Archive in unaltered state, then anyone can always go back there and guarantee to get the best possible version. It is a matter of honesty and trust that people do not upload files to the Archive that have a misrepresented lineage. And there are people out there who will soon detect an MP3 generation in a file by looking at the frequency range. By withdrawing permission for making Soundboards downloadable from the Archive the Dead helped create all this muddle over formats etc. If we all knew that the best quality shows were permanently stored and available 24/7 on our behalf in the best available (ideally lossless) format, then many of these discussions would not be taking place and the trading and torrenting sites we use might not exist in their current forms. But what then would we all have to talk about? Of course the Dead had reasons for doing what they did. There is the issue of intellectual property of their works (important to any artist) and, naturally, money (Blair Jackson has reported here that the Archive virtually killed off sales of the later Dicks Picks releases). So now it is a bit harder and more confusing to get all the shows we want as easily as we want, but it is not really that much hassle. And we should not forget just what an act of tolerance and generosity it is that this site tolerates open trading of shows that are not officially released. One way of saying thanks is to try to buy at least some of the official releases. It would be interesting to know how the sales of the these are holding up, given that fact that, despite the Archive restrictions, most of the shows are still quite easy to obtain.
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    I recentley been listening to a show in flac format via Foobar 2K. I then converted that show to WAV so i could burn it to disc , well it sounds way different to me ..the high`s and lows are cut down and it dos`nt have that punch you in the face feel to it anymore . I`m glad i save everything in flac mode .. Now I have been working in the mechanical services industry all my life ie, cars, trucks, small engines ,motor cycles, so I have a pretty good ear for sound . I can hear a bolt rattling loose on my Harley when i`m going down the road at 80 mph. plus I did own a small electronics repair shop for a little bit ( that was more just a hobby actually ) so I`m familliar with osciloscopes and how sound waves look and sound like .I built speach prossesors for cb radios that compressed the highs to make cb raidios sound like they had more power then they actually did , by increasing the sound modulation.. I`m suprised I can hear like that at my age , lol .. So with the help of CB and Rick I discovered the foobar programand nothing sounds as good as shn/flac , not wav not mp3 not any of the popular formats.. Now getting back to the LL web site , if it is not permited to seed from a mp3 converted to flac then why is there a link to the archives site for a some of those shows ? I mean anyone can create a flac file . I have a tape to pc converting program so i can archive my personal tapes to my pc then burn to disc. now with that progran and that tape deck I can record any streaming audio then send it back through my antique EQ then back into my pc make needed changes , create the text document , use traders little helper to create the md5 checksum and then create the flac files . And the end product is somthing that sounds better then the original audio .. I know there was somthing else i wanted to say but i can`t remember it now .. Anyway , I hope everyone has a most excelent day !!
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    But they are not compressed. And you can copy an mp3 from one folder to another and not lose any information, It's just in editing software. Of course when the mp3 was originaly made it lost the info on the high and low end of the song to make it smaller. But you can copy an mp3 to another computer or disc as an mp3 and it remains the same file. If you want to see some generation loss try this. Convert some mp3's to wav and burn cd with them. Then take that cd and convert the wav files back to mp3 and compare to the original mp3s.
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Sat, 09/24/2011 - 15:26

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I see how to do it now by hitting the FORUMS link on the top left. I guess I like the older sorting method better.
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Submitted by 1958 on Wed, 09/28/2011 - 13:39

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VLC player.com will play flac files check it out and its all free.Greg
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Submitted by friscokid77 on Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:35

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I noticed that the threads are not corresponding to the topic. For example: When you respond to the "1984 SBD's vol.2" topic, it shows up on the "Go Ahead" vine thread. Another example: When You click on the "1977 Lossless vine pt.2" vine and start reading through a few pages, it turnes out it is the signup list for one of the 1973 vines. Thoughts? Peace, Chris
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Submitted by marye on Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:57

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I'll mention this to the tech wizards.
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Submitted by Lopezz on Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:43

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I've tried to post in the New Vines topic and it brings up a 1990's vine.
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Submitted by ADAWGWYO on Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:34

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I was trying to update the ABB 86-96 vine and miraculously my post showed up in a jazz vine I was unfamiliar with. I've been calling these "Vineyard Wormhole's." ;)
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Submitted by marye on Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:44

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perhaps let's hold off on exciting vineyard adventures for a bit.
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Submitted by friscokid77 on Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:25

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Excellent term Andy! You just summed up mywhole post in two words! :o)
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Submitted by dstache on Fri, 09/30/2011 - 18:31

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Besides those already noted, please add (1) that once we are in a vineyard thread, we can no longer just click on the vineyard link at the top of the screen (note that on this topic that link is no longer here) to get back to the vineyard, but instead have to backclick or go back to forums and start over; and (2) in the "shows & lyrics" section on the left hand of the screen, if you search by date, which used to display links with each year, now just goes straight to the first shows ('65) and you have to somehow go from there. All in all, I think the changes have made the site much less user-friendly and much less sophisticated. I assume this is just temporary and things will get better. Anyone else agree?
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Submitted by dstache on Fri, 09/30/2011 - 18:31

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Besides those already noted, please add (1) that once we are in a vineyard thread, we can no longer just click on the vineyard link at the top of the screen (note that on this topic that link is no longer here) to get back to the vineyard, but instead have to backclick or go back to forums and start over; and (2) in the "shows & lyrics" section on the left hand of the screen, if you search by date, which used to display links with each year, now just goes straight to the first shows ('65) and you have to somehow go from there. All in all, I think the changes have made the site much less user-friendly and much less sophisticated. I assume this is just temporary and things will get better. Anyone else agree?
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Submitted by TheNuthatch on Fri, 09/30/2011 - 19:47

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I miss that vineyard link too. My muscle memory keeps taking my cursor to where that used to be. I hadn't looked at the Shows by Year in a while, but man that's completely whack! Has the font changed on the posts and topic headings, too? Lettering seems thin, and the topic headings seem too close to each other - kinda eye-straining. Hate to turn this into a b*tch fest, but it just seems like needless tweaking to a site that was just fine before. Kinda like a "downgrade" to a more primitive and, as you say, less user-friendly version of the site.
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Submitted by TheNuthatch on Fri, 09/30/2011 - 19:48

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I miss that vineyard link too. My muscle memory keeps taking my cursor to where that used to be. I hadn't looked at the Shows by Year in a while, but man that's completely whack! Has the font changed on the posts and topic headings, too? Lettering seems thin, and the topic headings seem too close to each other - kinda eye-straining. Hate to turn this into a b*tch fest, but it just seems like needless tweaking to a site that was just fine before. Kinda like a "downgrade" to a more primitive and, as you say, less user-friendly version of the site.
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Submitted by dstache on Sat, 10/01/2011 - 20:10

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Yeah, I'm not complaining too loud, just pointing out a few problems that hopefully get corrected. I agree, Nuthatch, re: the font, not too crazy about that. On the plus side, pictures look a lot better (take a look at MaryE up above!!!). :)
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Submitted by friscokid77 on Sun, 10/02/2011 - 10:42

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I kinda like the big picture of Marye. ;o) Not to bitch, but ... another thing I noticed was you used to be able to have the web site notify you via Email when you have new private messages (which I think is a GREAT feature for active vinyard folks), but I can't seem to find how to set that up now. This is a great feature for all Viners to set this up. It's a good way to keep communication open with seed-holders who have gone astray. JMHO, Chris
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Submitted by dstache on Sun, 10/02/2011 - 12:58

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Yeah, I like the pic too, I hope that was clear!!!
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Submitted by friscokid77 on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 13:57

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Have the technical problems chased everyone away?Seems like no one is on much anymore, and the mailbox has been very lonely. :o( I have a very cool new vine I want to start, but I'm not even sure where to where to post it? ... or if it would even make the rounds (my bi-centennial vine kinda fizzled out) :o( Peace, Chris
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Submitted by ADAWGWYO on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:04

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I'm here. Ripping a little slower than norml due to the new job, but I'm around. I have an 83 vine ready to start too. Just waiting for things to get rollin again. I see Deadnoise is busy. Awesome!! Welcome brother. Also, i have the 1995 vine and June 74 still and will go out Monday. Got confirmation from both ecb and ripple74 they are still down for the cause. Dropped the ball on the june 74 vine but it'll go out Monday. Working 12 hour days right now. Sleepy when I get home. Hope everyone is doing good. jSFC- how were the Red Rocks shows? Peace, Andy
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Submitted by ADAWGWYO on Fri, 10/07/2011 - 14:54

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Poncho just sent me Frisco's 1976 Bicentennial Vine and I can't locate it to update. Am I stupid? Likely. Anyways looked real quick but gotta go. Could someone bump it to the top so I can update? Thanks a lot.... and thanks Chris and Poncho
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Submitted by zepthompson on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 10:00

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with the link it is crossed up with a Tapers section from May
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Submitted by marye on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 10:57

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things are a little weird still. I've notified the tech wizard... There were some serious technical issues yesterday. There is, however, a New, New New Vines topic, which was working the last I looked.
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Submitted by ADAWGWYO on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:19

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.... and thanks Mary!
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Submitted by marye on Sat, 10/08/2011 - 17:29

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I am not sure why we are getting big pics. Also that pic is very old. But hey...it's nice to see my dear Rex again.
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Submitted by Jake R on Sun, 10/09/2011 - 11:44

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Sorry for my tardiness. A lot has been going on lately and I keep saying I will get vines I am holding on the move. By this Fri EVERYTHING I have is goin in the mail: http://www.dead.net/forum/lopezzs-little-bit-everything-vine http://www.dead.net/forum/live-nirvana-vine http://www.dead.net/forum/cap-center-88-vine Nov 70 Vine (not yet posted) and if I get anythin new in I will update and send those out too. Again I sincerely apologize for those of you who have been waiting for these. -Jake
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Submitted by Jake R on Sun, 10/09/2011 - 13:06

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My 1969 Lossless Part 5 Vine is still unable to be found. If we need to make a new thread I believe pomo1 had it last and was supposed to send it to dstache.
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Submitted by Exploratory Da… on Tue, 10/11/2011 - 18:04

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I am still around...but I am on another "project" and pre-occupied with that...but I'll be checking in once a day
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Submitted by marye on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 09:42

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that things are a bit haywire in the Vineyard right now, with posts not going where they oughta, and such, the techs are aware of the problem and it's all, as it were, connected and being addressed. So for the moment I am sitting tight rather than messing with anything, but please be aware that yes, we do know about it and are dealing with it. Thanks!
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Submitted by marye on Fri, 10/14/2011 - 13:01

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To make a long story short: A good deal of restoration work has gone on behind the scenes, with the result that a lot of vanished vines seem to have un-vanished and, for instance, Blair's Nicky Hopkins blog post is now about Nicky Hopkins again instead of a vine. This is all good. However, since we're dealing with hundreds of vines and the main people who know what's up with them at this point is the viners themselves: IF, AT THIS POINT, YOU ARE TRYING TO POST TO A VINE AND GET MISDIRECTED, OR TRYING TO FIND A VINE AND FIND THAT IT HAS VANISHED, **POST HERE**. DO NOT SEND ME A PM BECAUSE IT WILL GET LOST IN THE CHAOS. IF YOU POST IT HERE WE'LL HAVE A MUCH BETTER CHANCE OF TRACKING IT DOWN AND RESTORING ORDER. THANK YOU.
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Submitted by Jake R on Fri, 10/14/2011 - 17:05

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mary,my 1969 Lossless Part 5 Vine is still missing Thanks, Jake
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Submitted by marye on Fri, 10/14/2011 - 17:11

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do you have the original link for it? (If not, no worries, because we may wind up starting it from scratch anyway, but we hope to avoid this...)
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Submitted by marye on Sat, 10/15/2011 - 09:28

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anybody else got any MIAs, please report them!
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Submitted by t140v77 on Mon, 10/24/2011 - 09:34

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I was looking for a 'Jazz & Blues for Allah' vine that I posted an update to recently but can't find it. I did take a look at an Allman Brothers vine that was I interested in and noticed that the postings it has are mostly for the 'Jazz & Blues for Allah' vine.... including my update.Here is the link for the ABB vine, http://dead.net/forum/allman-bros-band-1986-1996-1dvd-flac-vine I also sent a few PMs out but got no response. I don't know if anyone got them or just haven't had a chance to respond.
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Submitted by zepthompson on Mon, 10/24/2011 - 09:56

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t140v77 the PMs are not working... and the two vines he mentioned are crossed up 'Jazz & Blues for Allah vine' posts are under the allman-bros-band-1986-1996-1dvd-flac-vine thread as well as this topic does not show up in the vineyard link there are two others (from 2009 mistakenly) pinned there instead
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Submitted by ADAWGWYO on Tue, 10/25/2011 - 16:03

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Holding up a few vines right now. Should have em out this week. Just a heads up I'm still alive and rippin'. :) Hope everyone is good and having a Grate October. Someone tell me who's up on the Bicentennial vine. I'z got it. Peace
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Submitted by dstache on Mon, 10/31/2011 - 10:50

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This thread doesn't show up in the vineyard, but it does show up as the "next topic" if you go to the reseed thread. Very weird. Plus, many threads have the wrong main post. It seems like things have been messed up here for what, a couple of months at least? I'm pretty patient but it is getting to be a little too much. Maybe it is time for me to move on, I don't know. It needs to be said that it seems that the powers-that-be are quietly shutting this section of the site down, slowly but surely, not coming out and saying they are doing it, but making it so annoying and difficult to navigage and use that people will just decide to leave on their own. Maybe I am burned out a bit too. I'm a little over halfway through the Europe 72 and, while all but a couple of shows so far are Very Good (and more than a couple are Great), the rah-rah every show is at least excellent stuff (doesn't Blair write that somewhere?) just irks me. Listen to the Sugarees from the tour. They are boring as heck without any Jerry solos. The notes to 5/11 say that Dick, whose opinion I usually agree with, said that it was his favorite Europe 72 show. About halfway through the 1st set I was wondering if I was insane as the band was very flat. Yeah, it picks up for the second set, but even the Dark Star wasn't as good as it should have been. There was one really nice jam that went on for a bit, but I could just feel that JErry wasn't throwing himself 100% into it, but instead wanted to go back to space/noodling. I know, it's the whole journey/destination argument, but I feel so much more satisfied when a great jam results. Anyways, the point of the above was that I spent $450 on a box set and there is this real attitude here that that was not enough. If I am a real deadhead, I need to spend another $100 on a subscription for limited issue shows, only one of which they are willing to tell me. And then all the heads clamoring for 80's and 90's shows, Christ! Not to mention '76! The last Road Trips, which I am not purchasing, is a middling show in a middling year. 5 officially released 76 shows was more than enough, now we get another, and people are clamoring for more. I certainly don't want to pay $25 for a show I won't listen to more than 2x. Damn, I'm just rambling but I am fed up with it. I know you can't please everyone all the time. Heck, half the people want compilations and half of us don't. Half of us want only classic shows or at least shows from classic periods (hidden gems, shows where the circulated version has less than stellar sound) while the other half wants every period equally represented or at least well-represented. And the powers-that-be try their best, and we have to show our loyalty for the band we love by buying everything that comes out, no matter whether we like it or not, and no matter whether they tell us what it is or not. Ugh! On the other hand, Mary hooked me up with tix to the Taxi Tour shows and that was so kind. And there are a lot of great people here. And I really think the powers-that-be are trying hard. I just don't like this limited issue, subscription only, early bird gets the worm thing. And $450 is definitely not going to be a yearly thing for me. It is pretty ridiculous that I paid that for recorded music for one band for one year.
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Tue, 11/01/2011 - 14:15

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Good to hear your point of view. Now I don't feel like such an outlier to the "norm". Europe72 single-handly destroyed this place whether you had problems with your order or not.
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Tue, 11/01/2011 - 14:17

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I am excited about the GD Movie coming out on Blue-Ray. It's on its way from Amazon as we speak.
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Submitted by marye on Tue, 11/01/2011 - 16:16

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this is cool. There's an upside to the impending demise of my 20-year-old TV.:-)
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Submitted by t140v77 on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 11:41

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Hi there, I was wondering when this topic and others, in particular www.dead.net/forum/dead-beta-vine and www.dead.net/forum/jazz-blues-allah-vine will get linked to the Vineyard? I would like to be able to get to these topics without having to enter the URL for them. Is there someplace I should report problems or submit requests like this? Mike
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Submitted by marye on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 14:14

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this will be worked on in the next few days, as the techs have been busy on things like 30 Days of Dead.
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Submitted by dstache on Thu, 11/03/2011 - 17:10

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The China > Rider from 5/13/72 reminded me why I love the Dead so much :) I just need to remember that if they want to release shows or, God forbid (hehe), compilations, I get to save a few bucks and not buy them. And if I can ever gather the willpower to refrain from reading the comments re: the releases and on other threads here, I will really be doing ok. Maybe these realizations are the result of a couple of bits of bad news I received today: (1) one of my cats, Gretta, 13 yrs of age, is apparently blind. How the heck did that happen and how am I just finding out about it now?!?!? She lost some weight and we took her in today and that's the diagnosis from the vet. She seems normal other than the weightloss. Her routine hasn't changed. She's very active and gets around fine. It's crazy! (2) More importantly, my Dad, who has suffered from MS most of his adult life, and almost all of mine, is in serious trouble again. He has been in and out of the hospital with various infections and complications for the past 9 months now. As some of you may recall, I received a call from my grandmother last winter that things were looking bleak so I went back to Michigan and visited with him. Things turned out not to be as bleak as she said, but they certainly haven't gotten too good either. My uncle called today and said that the doctor told him that my father was dying a slow death, from the infections and the progressiveness of MS. My Dad's 62, which is pretty old for someone who has MS since their mid-to-late-20's. I'm flying out to see him tomorrow. It feels good to write this. I know I carry the best wishes from everyone here and I appreciate it.
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Submitted by Jake R on Sat, 11/05/2011 - 11:15

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I have said on this site before a couple of times that I will be taking time off from here and this time I'm sticking to it. A big thanks goes out to Trevor, Derek, Mark, Rick, Bob, RMB, CB, and all of the viners that were on here when I started that aren't with us now. Sorry if I forgot any names. Without these guys this place wouldn't be the same. I hope you all enjoy this very free trading community and most importantly, keep the music moving. Derek, sorry to hear about your dad. Hope all goes well. Best wishes to you and your entire family. Take care fellow heads and my friends, Jake
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Sat, 11/05/2011 - 15:16

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We are thinking about you Derek! Stay strong
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Submitted by marye on Sun, 11/06/2011 - 11:44

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take care, and all good to your loved ones. Jake R, have a good and restorative break!