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  • daverock
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    I agree with Obeah - I think it would be great if these shows were officially released, even if they are incomplete and in less than optimum sound quality. It would be a pity if great music from the past was overlooked simply because it doesn't meet modern recording standards. I have some great live recordings by other bands and artists that are audience recordings. Not great for first time buyers - but that isn't the market here anyway.

  • Obeah
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    September 1970 - or: Proudfoot and Doc, hear them!

    If I had a time machine I'd go back to July 1970 and offer to substitute for Bear. What a time for him to have his bail revoked! So much amazing music was about to break over the scene.

    God bless all the tapers who captured what they did... not to mention the house crew at the Fillmore East, who got those board/PA feed recordings from the 18th and 19th. I mean, maybe they got they other two nights taped as well, but if so those recordings don't seem to have survived. As it is, what circulates isn't complete, and those in the know suspect the masters are long gone, too. What remains would be 1st gen reels at best. If those reels ever get into Norman's hands for release, the product will have to have one of those disclaimers like we used to get with the early "from the Vault" and Dick's Picks releases.

    To which I say: fine by me! Please make it happen Dave and Rhino. We ain't getting any younger out here... and it's been 54 years. You could make this next year's box set, double the run to 20,000 copies, and it would still sell out FAST. (Side note: I'd love to see what Jeffrey Norman could do to fix the flanging on Caution, which I am listening to as I type this ramble.)

  • proudfoot
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    It and 9 19 70

    A nice pair THAT SHOULD GET RELEASED!!!

    I truly feel that if those are in the vault they would have been released by now

    C'est la vie

  • proudfoot
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    8 16 91
    First two discs ok with some treats, but no real wood inducement
    Third disc some great stuff while i made chocolate chip cookie bars

    Now disc 3 of 8 17 89
    First two discs ok
    Third disc has an interesting Space > Wheel intro > Space > Wheel

    What a band

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    Everything that happens to me is very cosmic.....

    Hey rockers!!!

    Well, today IS September 20, so you can imagine what I'm listening to. Simply put, one of the greatest Dead shows ever!!!

    Is time our invention, or is time a real thing... I realize we're measuring it, but in the cosmic scheme of things, is there really time?

    Rock on!

    Doc
    Wheels of fire, cosmic, rich, full-bodied honest victories over desperation.......

  • uncle_tripel
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    kicking-off...

    ...the weekend with AM Dew from
    November 30th 1973
    Dick's #14
    and then will move 180 degrees
    onto the other side
    with MSG 9/20/93 set 2 (friend of the devils space)
    great memories of that evening

    y'all enjoy your Oktoberfest (begins Saturday) weekend,
    and looking forward to your Devil's box updates next week

    Peace for All!
    uncle_tripel

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    New Haven, CT

  • uncle_tripel
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    el Paso...

    ...at the County Coliseum for a bit of texas style GD (is there such a thing?)
    November 23 1973

    china > with some big smiles > rider

    Peace for All!
    uncle_tripel

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    2/11/69 on 180gm vinyl

    Not literally what I am listening to right now - that music you can hear in the background is volume 28 Complete Motown Singles Vol 6- 1966. If you have never heard "One More Heartache" by Marvin Gaye - well, I don't know what to think. Brilliant record.

    30 minutes ago I finished the brand new vinyl copy of 2/11/69, which is really good. A great sound - the double drum and bass sounds really powerful - as does Jerry's guitar playing. The acoustic guitars sound crisp and clear too. Highly recommended. As for the actual show - shows to be more accurate as these are basically 2 support slots in anticipation of Janis Joplin coming on. The first show sounds a bit like The Dead with a safety catch on - great stuff, but a bit clipped - certainly compared to 2/27/69 - 3/2/69 shows. During St Stephen, the safety catch seems to have fallen off and it explodes. So much so that, despite winding down with the "We Bid You Good night" encore they come back and do another one. The intro to Cosmic Charlie could slice the top of your head off. Pity it cuts after a minute or two..but no matter. A great snapshot of The Dead playing two concise sets, in superb sound during a ground breaking year. I'm really glad I got this one.

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    Merriweather Post Pavilion Sept 1989
    35 years now... it doesn't seem that long ago

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...with a high of 30 degrees today, I like when it gets HOT, move that thermometer upward and onward to 1974-02-23
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I was listening to the first of those two San Diego laryngitis shows yesterday. Something about Garcia's playing (for example, on Mexicali -> MAMU) reminded me of the Broome County Arena show from the previous November, 11/6/77. Unsurprising, I suppose, given that those shows are only two months apart. Back to 1/7: what a really well-played first set; that Let it Grow definitely shattered a few minds. And the Dancin->Samson is a real treat. Interesting to compare this rendition to '76 versions, like 6/17/76 Passaic...

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DaP 40
Disc 1 & 2

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Testing 1, 2. Testing 1, 2, 3. Can everyone hear me? lol
1974-03-24 cow palace diP 24, it's been awhile since the last listen, so let's get on with the show! ROCK!!

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2/3/78 :)

Edit: which should have been released whole. :( (I'm not listening to Dick's 18)
maybe its a good day for 1/22/78 ??

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46th anniversary
Eugene, OR
DaP 23

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So if we set aside the October shows, '74 only has 35 dates to play with. Of those, at least a dozen are released officially and are complete (or as complete as they are likely to ever be.) Then there are several more where parts of the show were used to create an official release (for ex., Dick's vol 24) or perhaps two shows are excerpted and combined (like with Road Trips Vol 2 Num 3) or even three shows (Dick's vols 7 and 31).

When all the dust settles, there are really just a handful of shows - Reno, UCSB, Oakland, Springfield, and a few others in July like the Hollywood Bowl - that are still unreleased until you get to the September European expedition. And of that tour, I think only Munich 9/14 and the two Paris shows are unreleased. But then the question becomes, does the vault hold all the reels from each show? Pretty sure 2/22/74 isn't complete, and I imagine there must be others.

That brings us to the October stand. Does the Grateful Dead Movie Soundtrack represent the best we are likely to get from this run? Because I seem to recall there are issues with the master reels. My memory is pretty foggy on that point, though... and it took a bit of work to sneak this post by the "hey now" sentinel.

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Note to all: after much testing, I've found that the name of a famous venue at Post and Steiner streets is a 'hey now' offense. @DaveRock this may be a reason why it's been impossible to post about 1974

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Sounds good but a lot of pops.
Not such a great pressing.

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Deer Creek
DaP 40
Discs 3 & 4

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Honolulu, HI
54th Anniversary
DaP 19

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July 31, 1974 (on CD)
Sweet!
Cheers

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I felt inspired to play this after reading Cnkds post. It seems that vinyl is variable in terms of pops and crackles. Mine played very smoothly, without any audible interference at all. I haven't always been so lucky. 2/27/69 has a bit of surface noise on at the end of Mountains of the Moon. And in the Europe Box set of the Lyceum shows, 2 sides were a bit scuffed - something which Deadnet kindly remedied by sending me replacements. That's a great album, though, that Playing from 5/21/74.

But records are my favourite medium for listening to the Dead now. Mention of 7/31/74 - that's a big temptation to get that on vinyl. Whenever I am tempted, sooner or later...

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you don't ever know, 1974-05-17 Vancouver, BC and yeah yeah yeah, thank you for a real good pitb :)

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Jerry Garcia/ Merl Saunders
The Boarding House
San Fran
51st Anniversary
GarciaLive, Vol. 12

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Yes, it’s a crap shoot if you will get a good pressing.
DP2 10-31-71% was great.
10-9,10-76 had a few sides with issues.
5-8-77 had a huge smudge across the side with Scarlet->Fire, and extensive pops and static on Morning Dew.
The comments for 1-22-78 was that it was a terrible pressing, so I avoided it, even when it went on sale.
All sides of Lyceum 72 were good for me.

I got a Spin-Clean washer and it has helped clean up some dirty LP’s, but it can’t fix a bad pressing.

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I think that Daverock and I both got good copies of 5-19-74.

I’m tempted on 7-31-74, but will wait to see what people report about their copies.

5-7-77 is a joke on the reseller market, asking way too much for it. I’ll get it in a few years when the scalpers are sick of it sitting around collecting dust.

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Seattle Center Arena
53rd Anniversary
There's a good Charlie Miller soundboard patch on the archive.

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Cnkd - yes, my copy of 5/19/74 plays really well. As does the vinyl version of 5/7/77 - a great show. I didn't get 5/8/77 when it came out on vinyl, as I have played it so often over the years I wasn't sure it was worth it. Which seems a bit of a blooper now. I got 5/9/77, and it would be nice to have the trilogy. Like you with the 7th, if I see it at a reasonable price I think I will get it.

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Oakland Coliseum
31st Anniversary

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I was there. (just wrote up a lil review but I realize this isn't the right forum, so I'm movin it)

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Spinning now for the first time, sounds good so far.
140 g, don’t know why everything isn’t 180 g at this point.
Rush released Exit Stage Left as 200 g. Those are some sturdy LP’s.

I got Hard Working Americans “We’re All In This Together” vinyl recently. The LP’s were warped out of the package, but still played fine. The pressing was good, but the LP’s feel lighter than 140 g.

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...TODAY to re-visit 1977-05-04 SET 2 palladium, i know i've got a DL on CD somewhere in my treasure chest...yup, bound to cover just a little more ground. Everyone enjoy your DAY!

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Avalon Ballroom
55th Anniversary

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Ratdog video
TRI Studios
Set 1
12th Anniversary

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No, sorry to disappoint you, but they won't let me print my response to that - hey now!

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...ok, I listened; and now back to 1974 and the Memorial Coliseum concert in Portland, OR, that would be on 05-19. so looking forward to this second set of JAMS and also the PEGGY-O. Everyone enjoy your weekend!

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...let's kick this off, ...blue suede shoes, ...I'm Uncle Sam, ...how do you do? UCSB 1974-05-25 a daytime gig; is everybody on the stage awake lol, let's GO!

Have a great day:)
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Hey rockers!!!

Paperwork day, good background for autopsy reports is Corvallis 1/17/1970. Underrated and little talked about show.....

My masters are strange folk with very little care for music in them..........

Rock on,

Doc
I like music because it's the only invisible art form......

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let's do it again outside in the daytime; 1974-06-08 in oakland stadium; it's a great day for a ballgame...cheers

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...some fine SUMMER weather with some fine GD thrown-in on the side, OH YEAH! 1974-06-16 will do the trick TODAY at the Des Moines State Fair Grandstand.

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...taking a break to spend time w/ daP 49; doin' a most enjoyable show today 1974-06-18 in louisville, it's been about 8 months since the last listen, so let's get to rockin'

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resist...let the world go by, like the clouds a'streamin'...one more Summer show; 1974-06-20 atlanta, and then I'll move onward to daP 49! everyone enjoy your weekend

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A friend sent me a top ten jazz albums list recently for comment, asked me mine. Impossible, better to ask what were my last five heard. Whats been going on in jazz since the big band era is so way beyond than can be summed up easily. He was looking to discover beyond Miles and Trane, reminded me of the Rick Beato interview of Pat Metheny that can be seen on ut ube. Highly recommended, Pat covers his own career influences, speaks to composition and theory in most thoughtful ways.

I got a great cd by Grant Green last week called "Slick! Live at Oil Can Henry's". Recorded on 9/5/75. Quite inexpensive in England which suggested to me that it might not be up to much. But it sounds really good, has a generous booklet and features some superb jazz/ funk playing. Nothing like his 60's recordings.

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Madison, WI
Scott Clugston master on the archive.

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...not in these parts with a cold day on tap, fireplace is stoked...and away we go with 1974-06-22 daP 2022 BONUS DISC

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My digital copy of The Wire magazine for March has just showed up. One of the reviewed albums is ‘Chicken Shit Bingo’ by Peter Brötzmann and Paal Nilsen-Love. It seemed interesting from the review so I streamed it. Well recommend. It is another instrumental album described as explicit. Presumably for the album title.

One of the other reviews is for a reissue of ‘Sheet One’ by Plastikman. Horrified to see this came out in 1993! I am getting old.

Edit: Still reading the magazine. Streaming another album ‘Resonance Studies in Ecstatic Consciousness’ by Madison Greenstone. It is almost impossible for me to relate the sounds I am hearing with the playing of a clarinet. Well worth a listen.

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Mention of Peter Brotzmann reminds me a of a cd I got years ago - "Machine Gun". I don't know if it's the same man - this one was a saxophonist, and I notice the album came out in 1968 originally. One of the most ferocious records I have ever heard.

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...the road today...[while listening to a cassette [University of Nevada 1974-05-12 set 2]...saw a deadhead sticker on a Cadillac

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"play my guitar" 1973-03-20 Little Feat: LIVE at Santa Monica Civic Auditorium, great listening to this old bootleg;
THE FAN: you were a sweet girl, when you were a cheerleader, But I think you're much better now!

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...it's been years since I've pulled out the dozen or more cassettes and cd's of LIVE "FEAT" Recordings in my treasure chest, so WHY STOP now, 1978-10-03 UNH Fieldhouse today, gonna be a "FEATS don't fail me now" weekend

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Kaiser Convention Center
There's video footage of this show minus the encore.
It's on Kevin Tobin's YouTube page.

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I haven't even listened to the 4/28 show yet - 4/27 has just captivated me! I'm on my third listen this morning, just getting to set II.

I have to say, it's been very exciting to see how much approbation this release has been met with! I know '85 isn't everyone's "cup of tea" but I've always loved it so much and it just makes me happy to see other folks vibin and groovin, discovering it for the first time, rediscovering it, or just confirming what they already knew. Thanks Mr. Lemieux, thanks Mr. Norman, thanks all you Rhino folks who made this double release go down. Everybody's Playing...

edit: how I love the transitions from space into The Wheel in 1985! This one is beautiful. Blossom Music Center and the Greek also have nice renditions a bit later, in June. I mean, then again, I always love the way they drift or climb or weave their way into the Wheel; the transition played on 5/19/77 has been making me feel downright emotional for decades now

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Did you get the Waiting For Columbus Box Set from Rhino?
If not, it’s highly suggested