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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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April 24, 2022 - 6:42am

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1stshow70878

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4/24/70 Mammoth Gardens Denver, CO

52 years ago today my older sister, the one who can roll a joint one handed while driving, was at her first (and only?) show and tripping to primal Dead. Trying to find out, as some reviews have said, if this was one show or two. Deadbase lists as two nights with the first night having an acoustic then electric set that ends in Drums, with the second night (4/25/70) being electric starting with Dark Star and going through some grease with Pig's Man's World in there for what seems like a short set list. Was this a rain-out or a curfew? One reviewer said it was one night with a tape cut in Man's World and he likened the sound to being recorded in a bathtub. Not high praise but he did like the primal nature of the beast. Any ideas?
Thanks and cheers
Edit: The notes from the five versions on the Archive seem to indicate one show and there never was a 4/24 show. Looks like the five entries are from only two sources and the others are improved versions. Especially interesting are the citations of a Feeling Groovy and Tighten Up jams in the Dark Star. Gotta give this a go! Now, how do you download from the Archive?
April 23, 2022 - 8:42pm

#2302

Oroborous

Joined:
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Nightcap

Lol, sorry BC, I was worried my words were not going to be right.
I liked this show, it just made me think, remember, which in itself is ok.
But those were changing times and sometimes there’s residual baggage attached?
And I’m always preaching you shouldn’t compare apples to oranges etc, and so yes, for the time it was a fine show and I enjoyed it, and appreciate being guided to a 94 show that was enjoyable, because unfortunately, not all are as consistent. I’m glad to check out any era as long as the show is up to the standards of said era, actually, I’m pretty game for anything lol. But there can be a difference in consistency and quality between randomly picking say a 77 show or a 94-95 show, the odds that is, no?
I just have the perhaps bad habit by modern standards of critiquing what catches my ear, both good and not so good, but that doesn’t necessarily mean I don’t enjoy the show. That’s why I listen, to see how every show is different, and It’s often easier to pick out the miscues than the subtle golden yummies. Also, I can tell folks often don’t get what I’m trying to get at, but that’s on me I’m sure. But it’s all good and that’s why this here gathering spot is called with discussion!
Oh, same with the guitar thing: it’s not that I don’t like it, I just like it less than others, same with the Travis Beans. It’snot that I don’t like, I just like Tiger more etc. I’ve usually embraced the evolution in the dead’s sounds as the years rolled by, but the industrial later 90s stuff I didn’t like AS much. But it’s grown on me over the years, same with Vince in some ways. Just need more quality exposure. Like an athlete, need more reps etc!

JIM: hang in there amigo, I feel like life’s piling it up a little your way?
Sure don’t need to remind ya: “ if you get confused, listen…”
Another interesting day.
Mañana amigos!

PS, Dooaahh, thanks for correcting my venue information error. I usually check those things but being in a hurry did not. Gotsta keep it real!
April 23, 2022 - 6:53pm

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JimInMD

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4.18 and 4.19

Those two are a package deal.. The Phil Space Extravaganza. Somebody must have put something in his coffee.

I wasn't able to hit 4/18 but I plan to revisit it at some point soon. Nearly stranded in the middle of nowhere today, flat tire and issues that can sometimes come with that. All is good, got a little sunburn but had a great day. No listening though.....
April 23, 2022 - 6:27pm

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bluecrow

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Seattle shows '80 and '94

Oro - those Seattle shows are at 2 different venues, though just blocks apart. Coliseum is indoor, Memorial Stadium is outdoor. I think at that time Memorial Stadium was used primarily for High School football playoffs, it wasn't all that big.

Gonna have to agree to disagree somewhat on the '94 show. I didn't run Set I this time around so need to do that, but I think it's solid good show, esp. given the time period. Scarlet > Fire had that extra juice and, like I said, Jerry's cup runneth over on the Dew. and I can't ask for anything more. You're not the first I've heard by any means who didn't like Jerry's guitar sound at the time. Me? I really liked the sound of Lightning Bolt, which I think Jerry was playing that night. As chance would have it I actually attended the first Lightning Bolt show, which was the Jerry Garcia Band 8/7/93 right there in Memorial Stadium. Also saw the first Lightning Bolt Dead shows, which were later that month in Eugene. Not that I actually knew that he was playing a new guitar, I wasn't that dialed into the equipment. But Jerry's tone in all three shows sounded excellent to me. The JGB show was an afternoon affair and top shelf - release worthy later era JGB in my opinion. I think Jerry enjoyed it so much that that's how the Dead ended up playing the same venue in '94 and '95. Memorial Stadium was probably about as chill a venue as you could have in those last years. My youngest brother was out visiting that month, so backpacking, camping, and music. It was an awesome time.

I'll check out the '83.
April 23, 2022 - 4:54pm

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Oroborous

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Holy shit!

You guys have never heard 4/18/82, especially liking spring 82…blimey!
I haven’t mentioned it because I just assumed, and we all know what happens when we assume, that everyone has heard that one! Well, look at the upside, you guys are in for a treat as the whole show is good, not just the cherry.

6/13/80: good job Senior Wiseman sp? sorry.
Interesting show too. Overall thought it was good, JG seemed to struggle at times and I don’t think I’ve heard him having so many tuning issues since tuners and custom guitars? Perhaps some kind of guitar issues?
Good show though, really dug the new tunes that they didn’t always seem to have their parts down.
Interesting catching 6/13/94 next. Same venue, same day, just FOURTEEN years later!
The 94 was ok, but sounded like they might of been back too far as you can hear way more of the venues acoustic signature. I believe Nitecat said he was using a high stand in FOB? That would certainly reduce the venue, ambience and crowd! Can’t wait to check out more! We need a list so we can work em into rotation.
That is if you SB snobs can handle it lol, JUST TEASING!
The 94 was good. Er, hard to put into words…tired and industrial came to mind. The former was more a vibe, but seemed to cover much until Bird Song, which had a little extra, but that’s where I thought of the latter. It sounded industrial, which I don’t mean good or bad, just different? I’ve not been a big fan of Jers guitar sound during this era.
It’s not bad, just different? Bob changed axes and crap constantly, but besides effects etc, Jer kept that trademark sound mostly intact up until here. I don’t think it’s not using live speakers on stage since that happened in 92. Perhaps it’s that different guitar (forget the name) he was using, or perhaps something in line?
Felt like it sounded like a cheap piezo pickup on a plastic ovation like guitar through a crappy amp. Of course I’m exaggerating but it did sound different, for good or for Ill, your taste may certainly differ.
But the show picks up more in the second and though I did enjoy it, it reminded a little of the feelings we started to have in those days, like gulp, it might end! But all these years later I’m able to listen with different sort of ears, and don’t suffer from the hangups I had back then. So was it a 74 Beatty, no, but so what, it was still an enjoyable performance by the best band in the land. Thanks for the pick. Since not all shows from then are as consistent, it’s nice to have picks when venturing into foggy territory!
Oh, BC, if you’ve not done so, perhaps check out one of my 83 favs from that Seattle venue, 8/27/83!
Make sure you get the right version? Can’t recall but you want to hear it on speakers not cans, at least Jack Straw!
Hint, PHIL!

Daverock, back at ya!

GF: no I’ll intent ment. We just felt you misspoke, but you have since clarified and the wheel keeps turning!
Be well and rock on brother!
PS: I remember some of this horrible experience you went through before but being forgetful myself had forgotten just how horrific it was. Glad you made it and are here with us!
April 23, 2022 - 4:26pm

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DeadVikes

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Gary

Sounds really rough Gary. Glad you pulled through. Hope you continue to heal.
April 23, 2022 - 1:37pm

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JimInMD

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Understood

No worries on my end, I clearly did not mean any harm.

Onward.
April 23, 2022 - 12:49pm

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Gary Farseer

Joined:
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Hey Now Jim

Hope all well with folks. Just got in from checking on my own. They are doing better for their age than I am doing for mine. Ouch
April 23, 2022 - 8:54am

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icecrmcnkd

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Wow Gary, all of the above

Some people report post- Covid brain fog.
Glad you pulled through. With all your inflammation you could also have some brain inflammation which can affect cognition.

Bluecrow,
I checked my HD yesterday and 6-13-94 set2% is on there.

DV,
I was able to get 2 cases of 16 oz cans on Oberon Day 3-21-22.

Yes, got a DaP42 shipping notice but tracking is not yet available.
April 23, 2022 - 7:49am

#2310

bluecrow

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Phil's Earthquake Space

DV - Night before the Raven Space - 4/18/82 Hartford. 75th anniversary of San Francisco Earthquake. Can't say I've ever heard it so in the queue it goes.

There was a Pearl Harbor Space 12/6/81 at the Rosemont Horizon.

Conekid - Be sure to check out that Seattle show if you haven't already. solid shows in Eugene also. '95 shows in Seattle also had some really nice music.

Gary - wow.

A fine Saturday to crank some Dead. Onward :-)

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

1.3 Rollin

Yo BC!

Just getting into 2/89 DV. Solid, enjoyable, maybe not RJ though..

Early 79 highlights:
All pretty good, unfortunately many Auds only, but some of those were perhaps better than an SB, and some of the SBs aren’t so hot..
Started out on fire but you can hear slight cracks entering the vibe by the end of some of these shows. Burnout and tension perhaps?
Really liked the MSG shows especially the eighth. Of course the 10th.
I can see why Dave Likes the 15, but not sure I found it best of tour.
But man that sequence from playing onward, phew, hell the whole second is great! Next 2 almost as good, then of course the unusual 20, and 21.
A brief speed bump perhaps but they solider on nicely.
By 2/3 their nicely back in step and Dane, still think if there’s tapes it would fit nicely with the rest of the Danes: Great Dane Box! Sorta status quo for the next few, nice Kansas shows, then a good, but not RJ big finale n the 17.
Good show, but enough moments of mishap that I felt it wasn’t RJ.
Too bad there’s no tapes as I could see a few releases here.
Something from MSG, the 10 with DS filler from the 20th, the 15 off of Dave’s list, Dane, somewhere, and BTK 2/17 - 422 idea!

Ok, I’ll get 2 more 89 this week, unless I get 49…

2/4/79

friends had a ticket for me but I chose poorly and didn't make the drive from MN. could've heard a Godchaux era Shakedown and an early Iko. no boards of this but there is of set one night before in Indy with that mid set China > Rider. And don't miss that indy Scarlet > Fire! damn i wish Betty was running reels for these. listening to two four set two now. been awhile since i heard indy so its on the list. that Scarlet guitar break is fire

Wish Betty Was Running Reels

The understatement of the year.

I think much of the late generation shows suffer in comparison to the shows that were properly recorded. True, vocals and harmonies has declined but the band played on.

They are playing 7 7 78 today on Sirius XM as I write this. Boy that Peggy-O was something. What a great run to see as your first show(s)

I let a tiny fart out in the Dave's Picks 49 thread. Music posts don't seem to go through but the test one I made later did. Unfortunately I used up all my patience trying to get the good one through.

that July 78 box

is so very freaking fantastic. a couple weeks ago i revisited omaha 7-5 a k a the waterfall show and it was mind blown - what a screamer

seven seven seven eight

one of my first boots was the superb front of board Wagner audience for that first Red Rocks show Set I and Set II through Scarlet transition. pretty much every song in that first set along with that Cold Rain BIODTL and Scarlet is a favorite version. burned in my brain. its all exactly perfect.

BLUECROW

didn't make the drive. I can empathize with you! as I DID THE SAME THING for englishtown (only 35 mile drive);
my fatal error, major gaffe, momentary lapse of reason, bonehead move, dumbest thing to do; AND yes that decision all these years later still makes me want to laugh out loud & cry all at the same time, so everyone please KICK ME AGAIN!!!

peace all!
uncle_tripel

6/23/74

Needed a change of pace after listening to the fantastic 4/27/85.

6/23/74, Dave's #34. Love this one. Hope you can join me.

Oh and bring on that 2024 box announcement from .......74

Ain't Nothin' Shakin'

So I might just as well since I'm waiting on 49. I think I'll start with the bonus disc.
Cheers

6/23/74

Deadvikes - I'd willingly join you, but I played the 1st cd of 5/17/74 this morning, so I'm a bit out of synch. Incredible time for the Dead - amen to a 1974 box.

Ha!

I was thinking February 74 after first amazing listen to 49!
But 6/23 will work. Then, intermission, then 49 again, then perhaps Greensboro 89 where I left off, then later next week digest February 74 for a few days?

6/23/74 Miami

DeadVikes good call. Have to say i probably listen to the bonus disc to this and the 6/16 &18 Roadtrips a lot... Hope you guys are all doing well!!

"wait a minute..." <- in my best pigpen voice

so Deadvikes I just pulled out my copy of 6/23/74 at your suggestion. I have criminally underplayed this one. I call myself a '74 fan too so idk what my trip has been but anyway I grab the liner notes and unfold that thing and read the story of the photos and then I see the credit... to Forensicdoceleven ?!?! ?!

edit: I know this has surely been discussed already. I seem to have poor luck using the search function on this site, but let me see if I can find old posts, i don't mean to hijack this thread. I just felt a strong need to say "wait a minute!"

#34

Holy shit Bob t! Good to hear from you. It has been a long time. Hope all is well.

Obeah, yes, the Doc was involved with getting Dave the photos, I will let him give you the story. I have no idea how to search comments on this site either. I listened to this a lot when it first came out but haven't listened to it in a while.

I was able to get a full uninterrupted listen in today. My god, so good. One of those shows, where nothing is rushed. Sound quality might be the best 74 material I have heard with the exception of the Grateful Dead MST.
One of my favorite versions of To Lay Me Down. Jerry's guitar work is so moving. Great WRS. Love the Jam out of Seastones and then you get the rest of the second set! What is not to like. That Dark Star Jam, Spanish Jam into a phenomenal US Blues, that takes it's time. UJB, OMSN, Casey Jones to close it out. What a great show!

Dig those PNE shows Daverock and the February shows OB.
Would love some more.

5-22-74

Only made it through the bonus disc as I had anticipated. Life got in the way yesterday. The Playin' went some interesting places I didn't expect. Seems the TOOs and Playin' were the interchangeable space jams in the middle from 72-74. Superb smooth China > Rider. Is there a less than great 1974 show?

IIRC Doc had issues getting his photos back. A trouper to give that gift to us all. Thanks Doc!

Cheers

DHB today!

3/30/89
3/31/89
3/30/94: wow! Neat show! Sometimes…

3/28/89 best of year so far…

Friday: much of 6/23/74
1.3 back there somewhere?

And 49 sprinkled throughout!

Feb 74 on deck…
ONWARD!

3/28/89

Will put this on tomorrow OB. It looks like it is a Pearson Healy Miller. I was at the shows at the Mecca in WI and the old Met Center in Bloomington MN in April of that year. My senior year in HS. What a year! Oh shit that means 35th HS reunion this year.

Music is moonlight in the gloomy night of life......

Been in the hospital for a week with pneumonia, wife with metastatic cancer, life, it seems, has dealt us a harsh hand...............

In regard to Miami. Yes, I supplied the photos, the story is from the deep Dead past, now merely a footnote on a footnote and not so important. I had a chance to make a very minor contribution to the community, so I took it and dealt with the fallout. Bad feelings yes, long since discharged, let's focus on the music.........

It was, after all, the kind of magic that only the Dead could conjure. Very fine and very interersting, consumate quirky gooey good old Grateful Dead. Apart from Providence (my second show), my favorite 1974 outing...........

Rock on,

Doc

Best wishes

For Doc & the Mrs.
You're the best.

Doc sorry to hear the news

Doc, I'm sorry to hear your news,I hope things will get better for you and your wife.

Doc

So sorry you and your wife are going through this hard time.

Doc

Sorry to hear that no good news. Best wishes and best of luck to you and your wife.

thanks Doc

Well let me just take this opportunity to say 'thanks for the photos', and meantime, I'm so sorry to hear that your health is going through a rough spot, and your wife's situation sounds even more serious. Much sympathy.

Doc

Doc, sorry to hear about the health issues with you and your wife.
I hope it gets better for the two of you.

Sorry Doc

Best wishes to you and the Mrs.
Cancer sucks.

SUPER4DTOTO

Sorry to hear that no good news. Best wishes and best of luck to you and your wife.

The Good Doctor

Sending best wishes your way Doc. There's not much we can do or say but we are thinking of you both in the best of all possible ways.

best wishes and hopes

Thinking of you and yours, Doc. Heartfelt wishes that your connection to the medical community results in the best possible care in Jville. Though we have never met, special discovering you were an unknown neighbor eons ago here in the land of big green, that we happened to be at Lewiston and maybe Boston shows. Thanks for your devotion and contributions to these boards.

So sorry to hear this

Doc, six years ago my wife was diagnosed with cancer and I rode in a similar horribly difficult sidecar.

Hope for some gentle days ahead for you and yours, and sending healing vibes your way.

"that path is for your steps alone"

Doc

been sidelined a bit too and just read about this, so sorry to hear of you and your wife's medical woes. Hopefully the VA can help with this and that the bill won't be out of this world. I hope for the very best for both of you. Keep on Keeping on my Florida bro. Get well soon.

Aaaa FFS!

So sorry to hear bout you and the misses Doc.
Effin cancer cancer cancer, Marsha Marsha Marsha, man it seems to be all we hear these daze. In stead of pissing billions away on space pipe dreams, and tax breaks for uber corporations, how bout we cure cancer and clean up our home we’ve turned into a cesspool!

Be well, and may the music heal!
Our thoughts are with you!

Onward Dr. and Mrs. Doc

Even though most of us have never met "ForensicDocEleven" in person, your good spirit shines through on these pages year in and year out. Words fail me, but, right now, I'm adding whatever energy I can in hopes you and Mrs. Doc get through this smooth and soon. Onward brother.

3/28/89

Good show OB. Thank you for the recommendation. Great mix. LTGTR, Franklins, Stranger! Nice start. Stagger Lee. Memphis Blues. Really good flow to the first set.
Good second set Playing, Foolish Heart. Always enjoy a Box of Rain encore.

Decided to revisit Ladies and Gentlemen this afternoon. Wow! Bob Matthews and Betty did a great job with these recordings. Is it too late to go back and give us all these Fillmore East shows in a box?

DV

Vguy recommended 3/28 as a POTD awhile ago.
I rehit it for enjoyment and comparison etc

Hit the first six of 84 since, with some 6/24/85 and some of February 74 too.

Thinking 2/27/69 for Doc! Big medicine!

Going to continue with 84 and 89, perhaps try another 94.
I’ll let you know if anything moves me…

Go Niners!

Big Medicine

I'm down for some 2 27 69 Big Medicine.

I haven't gotten to 3 28 89 yet but I did hit Miami 74. That Cumberland snuck up on me, great picking and then there are the other highlights that shined just as bright this week and I remembered. The recording might have shot up a notch too.

Big Medicine, which reminds me I go under the knife for my shoulder Friday. My ills do not compare but I will take the Big Medicine offer from the kind people here. Believe it if you need it, right.

Sports Fans

Okay OB. If I only had those 69 shows.

Anyway, decided to go with 6/14/76 from the Beacon Theatre. The June 76 Box still shines.

Enjoy your Superbowl Sunday out there.

Hope your surgery goes well Jim.

Thanks DV

I have to hit those 76 shows again.

Funny.. those post haitus releases shook me out of my 68 through 74 comfort zone, there was a period when I just couldn't get enough 80's (and 90's, toss in some 79 for good measure). High octane GD. I hit the Giants box pretty hard but spent some time in 85 (of course), Spring 90 and several shows in 89. I just couldn't get enough.

But hitting Dave's 49 through several listens was a nice aperitif and More 74 broke the spell. They played the WRS>Row Jimmy from DaP 13 on my drive home last night. Icing on the cake.

Grateful Dead, good for what ails (ales) you.

Thanks so much for keeping the spirit going. I'm mostly keeping up.

DaP 13 1974

What's the story with Jerry's F... SUNY t-shirt from the photo in the liner notes? I remember seeing it before but couldn't seem to bring up a story. GD played there going back to 1970? Sounds like some discontent there.
Cheers

SUNY

Ha, as a proud alumnus of the “fine” institution lol, seems like something a student would come up with? Perhaps it’s as simple as JG thought it was funny, or a student offered it up as a joke? But now of course you went and did it lol, so now we have another mystery for Inspector Lose O!
Damn you fist show! ; )
DV, anything, just ask…
JIM, hope that doc isn’t stingy with the propofol, hear that shommer shit is very
Owey. We will of course be thinking good thoughts, any last, er a, I mean any requests for while your elsewhere? ; )

2-11-86

For tomorrow?
Laissez les bons temps rouler!
Actually on a Fat Tuesday in '86.
For my friend "Swamp" who would always skip class for a week to go back home to N.O. for Mardi Gras.
Cheers
Edit: Is there an official release of this?

Positive Vibes

On your surgery Jim.
Hope all goes well brother!

2/11/86

I'm still off work on disability from Legionnaire's Disease, so I'll do 2/11/86 tomorrow.
Don't think there's been an official release, but there's a cassette soundboard patch on the archive.
Uploaded by Jonathan Auizen.

Good luck Jimbo

Hoping for a successful surgery and quick recovery.

2/11/86

Rollin!

Went with the HS matrix?

If ya dig 86 I highly recommend 3/24/86…

Excellent (in the Mr. Burns voice)

What a pleasant surprise! Lively show with a killer start, great set list, and in an unusual order. Was Jerry in one of his "clean" phases? Can't get more authentic on the Iko-Iko than with the Nevilles! And the drums segments (plural) were a treat. It's clear the band was having a great time. What a difference that can make.
Cheers

2/11/86

That was a good show.
Wild transition into Truckin.

The Nevilles

Added so much to the second set. Those extra guitar riffs during the second NFA > Hey Bo Diddley > GDTRFB really complemented the boys' playing so well. Let the good times roll!
Cheers

RE 2/11/86

Fun enjoyable show!
HS matrix was good.
I’d call it good, but not RJ: fun, good energy, but a tad sloppy in spots.
JG struggles occasionally I.e., Might as Well. But that isn’t a problem for me…
Think this was first year doing the MG drum thing?
If yer into that, I know I liked the tape I had from 89 of it…
Nice to do something completely different.

2/15/73

Dane County Coliseum
I'm rolling this one today if anyone else wants to?
This was one of the first tapes I acquired back when I first started going to shows on a regular basis.
There's a good matrix on the archive.
Peace

Rolling in 84 TN

But that show MUST be released!
Finished hitting all of 73 last year and I think the first six shows of the year would make a killer box, better than HCS!
Or,
A Great Dane Box, all the remaining Dane shows including the 2 73 reels…
Enjoy, that is a awesome show, RJ for sure!

EDIT: it’s on Dave’s list too, so…

2/15/73 Dane County

Happy anniversary Dark Star blip....... Also anyone see Two Towers Documentary on Fall 73 Tours??