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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    Thanks BC

    Was wondering what Spirit looked like.
    Here's to him.
    Cheers

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    5/10/91 if for no other reason than I like the recording. Maybe a bit saturated at times, but it's pretty clear and balanced. Besides Phil was on a tear during this period and it must have been hard to keep his bass in check when he amped things up.

    I think tossed this show out on this forum in the beginning. I like the Cal Expo shows too, but no Bruce for those three shows.

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    Yes, absolutely. Always welcome.

    Can't say enough good things about that hot summer 82 Tour. The Zoo in Oklahoma was another good one. Love these China Riders from this summer. Agree, they are smoking Jim. Nice Playing, Iko Iko, Lost Sailor, SOC. The wheel out of space is always good. Great US Blues encore.

    The 71 Port Chester shows are some of my favorites. Listen to them often. 2/18, is probably my favorite right now, but my favorites fluctuate.

    So for #44, I am thinking we will see a 91 release. Any predictions?
    Enjoy the weekend out there.

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    I see no mention of it,,,, Owsley Stanley Foundation is releasing a new "Journal".

    The Chieftians in San Fran..... 1973 and 1976

    A vinyl and a cd.

    Stans site was a little cheaper than amazon.

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    Yes, thanks Dennis.

    ah.. Blue Crow, I'm with you. I love that 2/21 show, it has really grown on me and man does it sound good. I think I will split my time between that and a revisit of Dave's 43. Nothing wrong with hitting the released stuff from time to time here, right?

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    Interesting article. Well worth reading.

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    on Jerry's style.
    A cerebral description.
    Whatever he's doing I'm OK
    as long as I focus on all those notes.
    I won't get lost.

    Cheers

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    I think Big Brownie had talked about this one a while back.
    I'm finding so much early 80's I didn't know I liked.
    It's all about the energy not so much the era.
    Cheers
    Thanks BC!
    And Dennis thanks as well. JM is well spoken.

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    Thanks for sharing that piece from Mayer. Really good.

    Going with 2/21/71 from Workingman's 50th. Love the Rick Turner Peanut sound.

    1st Show - glad to hear the Kitty Kat is still trucking on

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    A quote from John Mayer on Jerry's playing from a guitar players perspective ...
    Part of the genius of Jerry Garcia, was all guitar players have little segments we work with, little riffs, and licks. We work in these building blocks: at the bottom are scales, then working up to riffs, then licks, then inverted licks if you are the best around.
    Jerry's building blocks were molecules of playing. Not licks. The smallest pieces that could be put together. Everything you are hearing is original, off the top of his head, and represents his spiritual place he was in on that day. John Mayer on Jerry Garcia
    This is the forward John wrote for Jay Blakesberg's book "Secret Space of Dreams"
    "I’m a good enough guitar player to know a great guitarist when I hear one, but I had to become an even better one to begin to understand the depth and complexity of Jerry Garcia’s playing.
    I’ve always said that musicians play like they are, and in the case of Garcia, his performances serve as a detailed map of a man, his intentions, his desires, and his impressions of the world around him. And going by that map, Garcia was a lovely, mighty soul. I never met him, and will never understand the loss of those who did, but the vast archive of his music amounts to the makings of a starry night sky that turns listeners into explorers.
    Several years ago I set out not just to learn Garcia’s approach to the guitar and the songs he played, but to learn what about it has allowed millions of people who don’t play the guitar to key into it for hours on end. Soloing has been known since its inception as a kind of self-indulgent expression. Why, then, could so many listeners, myself included, listen to him do it endlessly without fatigue?
    To best understand what makes Garcia’s guitar playing so unique, it helps to start with what it sidesteps: though it drew from blues and R&B, his guitar approach left a few traditional elements out of the equation, he didn’t play from that well-worn feral, sexual place that traditional blues music traded in, nor did he really touch the sinister aspects that were born into the idiom. Garcia didn’t sing about wanting to rock a young woman all night long, and any of his deals with the devil existed metaphorically as mere setbacks. (What’s 20 bucks, anyway?) These changes affect the fundamental color palette of the storytelling. I’m not sure the sun ever rises in Chicago blues music, but in the musical storytelling of Garcia and the Grateful Dead, it shines so bright it hurts.
    On a more technical note, he played most often in a major blues scale, which added to this mix of innocence, and even joy. Minor blues notes lend themselves to the exquisiteness of pain, while major blues scales kind of explore the relief from it. Garcia played to relieve people of pain. That melodic innocence must have something to do with bringing so many people to their “happy place.” He wasn’t pulling notes from an anguished place within, he was catching them with a butterfly net as they went flitting by overhead. On a tactile level, he held the guitar with grace. It wasn’t a weapon, it was a vehicle. He took it easy. He may have played fast, but he was thinking slow. And that makes us listen with a smile.
    I put Jerry Garcia on the same level as Miles Davis and Bill Evans because of the intention in his performing; once you’ve learned all the notes, and the chords, and the bends and the runs, you come to the final frontier of playing which is the why of it all, and that’s where the power was and still is in his playing. He played from a real place, a place that faced out to the world, not for his own reception or gratification. He played for the joy of interacting with the band and with the music he loved. If you listen close enough to a musician, you can tell what they’re looking to get out of each and every note they make. Garcia, to me, was looking to bring music to life out of the tacit, sacred duty to use his gift. Even after learning these things, they offer very little help in sounding anything like the man. That’s because he didn’t play anything stock or repetitive. There are no “signature Jerry Garcia solo riffs” as exist with so many revered guitarists. To “sound like Jerry,” you have to make people feel like he did, and well—good luck with that.
    The real magic—the kind that will make the Grateful Dead music live forever—that’s in the way we carry it on in our hearts and minds. I don’t listen to Garcia and the band play—I watch it. I believe we all do, and that what we see is a blend of the music, the year in which it was played, the season and location of the show so as to understand the state of mind the band was in that night, that week, that presidency. We see it differently from one another the way we do our own dreams, but we all agree that our dreams contain these songs, and this band, those places and names. And that’s how the Grateful Dead managed to freeze time. We discuss our favorite years in present tense; we say we just heard the best version of something last night as if that was the moment it first took place. Your favorite year of their music "wasn’t", it "is." And in that way, inside that beautiful dreamscape the band created, the Grateful Dead is still up there, still playing. And Jerry is right there in front of them, and time is held in place by those who refuse to let it fade, and even as we sleep, as long as one of us is listening, the band is still playing.
    We lose the ones we love, we pine for those who have left, and we lament the changes of modern times. But the makers of this music dug a tunnel, and it runs beneath time and space, and we, the ones who love it like family, crawl through to visit 1974, and 1969, and 1987 and 1990. If we were alive at the time the show took place, we see ourselves as the people we were in the lives we had, and if we weren’t born yet, we get to wistfully dream what it must have been like.
    We only get a few minutes on earth, and Jerry Garcia gave all his minutes so that we could forever visit his life and times through his playing, and let it unravel into a new kind of now." --- John Mayer on Jerry Garcia and The Grateful Dead

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I had just a taste of 2/15/73 as filler back in the day - HCS and El Paso. But that HCS was smoking. Still, I'd more or less forgotten about it until a couple years ago when I read a Latvala quote about how this version of HCS compared well with the one from 12/19. And it just so happened that I had a boring task to do [censored - for some reason I cannot describe my office w/out getting hey now'd] at work. And I wanted a long show to brighten my mood. I thought of HCS and that's when it hit me that I'd never heard the rest of this show.

Wow - it's just so good! I had the entire M aples show back in the day, but I still wasn't prepared for this performance. With all the new material I figured they'd be still working things out, but it feels instead like they must have spent that week rehearsing and listening to each other, and were just in a great headspace. This show just flows.

But this one's not in the vault, is it? (I mean I hope I'm wrong...)

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2nd set was one of the first tapes to fall in my lap way back when over 40 years ago. My favorite Here Comes Sunshine - it has a drive to it that I really dig. And Bob's guitar is so exquisitely "wiered" at times, some strange effects peddle? Of course, totally love the Dark Star > Eyes > China Doll. That was an early glimpse into the mystery. And Badass Donna on You Aint Woman Enough. And the merry run around of that sweet sweet TLEO. A tape that was much listened to and much loved, note by note.

Great (or is it Grate?) Dane Box or February '73 box - either one bring it on!

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No, I haven't seen that documentary. What is it?
The old Dane County Coliseum. Was there many times, unfortunately not to see the Dead.

I hope we get those early 73 shows out at some point.

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It is about the sound system that Owsley and the Dead had and the September to Decembers tours of 73. Newspaper clippings and some interviews. I learned there was supposed to be a December 15th show in Houston. Always wondering why the gap between Omni and Curtis Hixon shows. Youtube..

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Yep, same here. It was one one my most listened to tapes back in the day. Still have it! Here's to an official release someday.

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Thanks Bob T, I am going to track that down. Their pre wall of sound system was not too shabby either.

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Warfield Theater
Pretty good AUD on the archive.
It's been cleaned up by Scott Wiseman, Scott Clugston, and Charlie Miller.
SEVA benefit show

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Oakland Coliseum
Keith & Donna's last show
Campaign for Economic Democracy benefit
Excellent Dave Usborne matrix on the archive
Peace

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Nice to see ya!
Thanks for the recommendation, that was pretty cool., though kinda weird how it just ended, like Cocaine became prevalent, story over…?
I need to see it again.
f I was only allowed to have one tour….
It’d probably be f a l l w I n t e r 7 3
Good Sheet Mon!

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Prefer gummies over the prescription stuff they gave me. I finally made it home and it's great to see a couple exciting shows to queue up and lively up my next few days.

all in all I'm doing ok. Lots of shoulder work done and still painful but I'm on the other side now. thanks for all the good thoughts.

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Glad it went well for you.
PT is key to full range of motion.
I seldom did my homework and settled for less range, which is OK but now I wish I'd done more. Take it easy.
Cheers

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2/16 &/17/82 two very cool shows I was fortunate enough to be at , would make a great double release. 2/17/79 was a benefit called Rock for Life and was about ending environmental cancer. Another show I was at and should have been released along time ago.

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To the other side.
Woohoo, he’s back sports fans!
Glad to hear things went well!
Yeah, I think sometimes Advil and weed work better for some pain then the pill mill crap?
Whatevs gets you through the night, is awright. Rest up, be well, and play dead!
Music heals!

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Good to hear Jim. Hope you are able to recover quickly.

So much music to choose.

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Positive thoughts for quick healing!
Peace

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get well soon, play dead and I mean the music, wonder what the outcome would be if you really did play dead? Home folks freak out? then you awaken and say "I'm not Beethoven"

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HN won't allow anything in my simple original message, like none of it - geez louise

It seems to me that the more time you spend on a post, the more likely it is to be hey now'd. What seems to be working for me is to just whack one out - and then when it's printed, go back and amend it. If you can be bothered.

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was spinning on sirius yesterday. Caught the Eyes>WRS while heading into town.
Everyone is beautifully mixed in. What a recording! Had to check the archive to find out more. Listened to China>Rider to verify the sound quality. Would make a magnificent official release.

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Thanks B.B., that SBD Miller is sweet.
Currently sampling as I don't have time this AM for the whole show.
Cheers

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I concur, gr8 show Eyes is epic, fall 73. Happy birthday Vinnie.

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check PM.

Thanks

Crap, Hey Jim.

Glad you have gone through the rough part. Every day I am sure it will be better, and the next thing you know, It's Summer.

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Sorry man. I always forget to check my messages. I tried to make a lengthier response, but the powers that be determined I used some wrong words somewhere. I would be happy to talk those shows with you. It might be easier on the phone. Hit me a message if you want to exchange numbers. I'm still trying to figure out how to discuss the music on here without getting smacked down.
Peace

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Revisited this fantastic show last night and this morning. What a show! Damn, love that 3rd set!. We are a lucky bunch out here.

Hope we get a box announcement soon.

Hope you avoid the smackdown TNJ.

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...yeah man, I'm down with that...that 3rd set has gotten at least 5x the playtime vs. any of the other sets contained in the HCS Box.

Worked-on my 2024 Box Set calculator, and got it installed yesterday lol, estimated release September; now if only I can get it to reveal the contents;)

keep smilin' everyone, it'll be announced before you know it

PEACE ALL!
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Have hit everything in order through April 30.
Not fall 73 but better overall than I expected!
Some really good shows there, just they all seem to have the same idiosyncrasies. Mainly, misses. Not really any big train wrecks, though JG flubs Althea pretty good on the 30th.

Several times I’d be thinking, this is the show, then they’d have some little miss or Jers voice might be a bit ruff on one song. Just weird random stuff that I’d call normal, except here it just seems like every now and then, from time to time, ?? Hard to explain, perhaps I.e., check out all the HSF as an example?
The tape selection/quality is inconsistent too. I heard several less than stellar SBs, and some awesome Auds, and everything in between.
The first night of Marin sounded like practice, but was a creeper. Ist set sloppy, but eventually got some things going. Awesome Oh Babe it ain’t no lie!
The run seemed to get better as she goes. Again, kinda sounded overall like a tour warm up run… Do try to hear the Blues for Allah hints during the 3/31 space! And the Spanish jam through Rat on the 29th.

Ist night of Vegas was meh, second ok.
The tour proper starts in Hampton. First night sorta status quo for opener, nothing really stuck out. Second night I enjoyed and sounded like they were finally gelling.
CROTCHFESTER. I was at, front row, perhaps highest we ever got, so no surprise I didn’t remember much. I do recall feeling non plussed BITD but I think that’s because I had some song expectations that didn’t pan out? Always seemed overshadowed by NF the next night (same mo for us).
This time, I did dig NF as they jam hard and things can be very psychedelic musically at times, but this time Rochester really stood out for me. One of my favorite shows of the tour, definitely worth a listen!
I’ll skip Philly for now…
New Haven I liked the first night better, great Jack Straw, only Only a Fool ever played, which was meh?, nteresting anyway, nice Spanish jam and space.
Really all the drums out into space etc we’re cool on this tour.
Both Providence shows were solid. Decent Shakedown, but I’ll take the powerful Angry Shakedown from 4/16 over em all.
The second night of P town is another I recommend and another tour tops!
Nassau shows were good, but perhaps a little on the downside by this point?
Philly probably was the peak, but I didn’t feel it was obvious.
I listened to some of these shows several times trying to decide.
I remember feeling DL had gone to the wrong house with 35 being 4/20?
I still think the 21st might be a tad better, but perhaps missing a bit on HSF (they don’t quite get any of em perfect) factored in?
The 19 is ok, sorta tour status quo, 20 and 21 are definitely in the top five.
So I’d recommend not necessarily in order because these shows were all very similar in many ways, so can’t pick a definitive favorite.
4/21, 4/20, 4/16, 4/27 tops, extra credit 4/17, 4/26, 4/14.
Again, really pleasantly surprised at the overall quality and consistency of the tour. Yes if you pay attention you’ll hear some Oopsies occasionally, but perhaps no more than most tours?
Going to cleanse a bit, then hit some more spring 89…
ONWARD!

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Has Jeff checked in on 49 yet? Like scanned artwork. I may have missed him.

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Hey Gary, Hope this works. I tried a while back and got major Hey Nowwed. Here’s the cover art for Dave’s 49 that Copperdomebodhi found. Scroll down to 49:
dropbox dot com /sh/qx5j9ydoc7bzm8z/AAD8yK_vCv_kQ-oLkLJQVCEla?dl=0

If y’all PM me with your email, I’ll send future covers to you directly.

Onward

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wow, what a run hey, during the soundcheck for 2-22-74 I believe there is the first hints of an estimated prophet Jam, and 3 sets too.

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February 74 is where I been cleansing this WE.
Good Sheet! Great minds ; )

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How did you get your post past the HN police OB! Nice work. The longest one I have seen in a while.
I haven't listened to much spring 84 in long time, with the exception of Dave's #35, which I always enjoy. There have been a lot of Philly shows released by Dave. Will have to poke around a bit.

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sent PM

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...yeah Oro, that was a strange night... and with the home crowd and the technical gremlins, it really does kinda sound like practice at times.

But that second set has a lot of mojo. The Oh Babe is a lovely one-off - first time since '81 and the last time the GD would play it onstage. The China Cat->Rider is remarkable, I just love the color Brent puts on it. They take their time with it, too; it's nearly 15 minutes long. The Playin' gets to some haunting spaces, and it's too bad Garcia wasn't a lil more patient bc I'd have loved to see what else might have happened, but I guess he had business backstage. Instead we get the debut of Don't Need Love. Again, it sounds almost like rehearsal, but it's still my fav of the 16 times Brent would eventually play it. I love this version.

Drums doesn't really go anywhere for me, but Space is excellent (Garcia must have found what he needed backstage, Weir's a monster here and Phil is so high on Jill in '84 that he seems to be livin up to his old nickname, Reddy Kilowatt) with a notable jam. And the transition into the Wheel never gets old. The Truckin->Spoonful isn't remarkable but it's solid. My tape didn't have the encore and I wasn't always in the mood for a double helping of Chuck Berry, so I sometimes pressed stop here... but sometimes I'd just press fast forward and then flip the tape to hear that beautiful Oh Babe It Ain't No Lie one more time...

Decided to que up this beauty from the 30 Trips Box, 10/27/79. Why, because I am channeling a 79 Box for this year. Will it happen?

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2/17/79 & 4/22/79. I hope would be a part of it.

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No, but there will be a 1969 box set this year. It'll include the complete Vegas show from March, as well as the early April Avalon Ballroom run. As well as a couple of other surprises.......

Those whom God wishes to destroy, he first makes mad......

Rock on,

Doc
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Hopefully it will include, 10/31/69, 6/27 & 28/69.

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Yes, we need an upgrade on that Halloween 69 show, that would be very nice. Maybe even throw Crockett in there as well, another show in need of an upgrade.......

Not sure about Santa Rosa. Good and definitely interesting, but a bit uneven. Would much prefer the Ark shows, or maybe Philly from February.........

Music is the melody whose text is the world.....

Rock on my friends!

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Hey rockers!

OSF has confirmed that they have the original reels of the March Vegas show and the early April Avalon Ballroom run. Although it appears that the 4/6 recording is still incomplete......

People come to music to seek oblivion: is that not also a form of deception?

Rock on, and off to the morgue,

Doc
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Really Daverock?

1979 was a great year for the band. If you don't like it that is fine.
If they stopped playing after 1969, this site would not even exist.

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Deadvikes - I used to rate 12/26 and 12/28/79 very highly indeed - but I haven't been moved to play either of them for quite some time. It's a year where I'm happy with what I've got, but don't particularly want anymore.
I guess the exception would be the final show with Keith - but that's not really what people mean by "1979" I don't think.
The last show I played - part of it anyway, was the Road Trips featuring jams from 6/18/74. Now that is solid gold! Nobody else I heard in 1974 was playing anything like this. Not really jazz or rock - I think they had made up their own genre by this stage

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Menage a trois

I did hit the beginning of the second set of 10 27 79 yesterday doing some PT. High energy and interesting jams. If I could only set the time machine back a week before and get Betty out there to record it, well.. the world would be a different place.

As to Louisville 74, I've always had a lot of respect for that show, it never gets old even the spooky discordant pieces. The transition from Eyes of the World to China Doll could be my favorite one.

Now a 69 Banana Box Set you say? Bad shoulder or not, I am dancing a jig in anticipation.

It's good vibe Saturday all day here at dead net. Not sure if I am tossing out a suggestion, but I am going to put on the acoustic set from 12 26 69 to start my day and kick off the weekend with some of the best vibe GD that's been released in the last few years. I thought 7 13 84 would pair pretty well with the Frost shows that were just released too.. they do a scarlet>something>fire I think?? sort of pairs with the Scarlet > Eyes.

Let's see if this post makes it through Hey Now

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read that previously uncirculated DS > Main 10 > DS > O1 > Aliigator from 2/5/70 Fillmore West is up at LL

Good Vibe Saturday - I woke up on that side of the bed too Jim!! And to echo Cone Kid, hope the w i n g is healing smooth and steady. Have a great weekend everybody!! Onward!!

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Enjoying a cup of super dark roast Colombian Supremo that I roasted and some 1974 Little Feat on vinyl.

Supposed to be 62 and sunny tomorrow, think I might roast a batch of beans.

I have managed not to re-injure it while it's in a delicate state. That counts for something, right?

I'm roasting this weekend too. I tried to send a big bag off to people I know that like coffee around Christmas and New Years. I am still working my way through that list. After about three batches I lose interest and end up putting it down.

I am doing some sticky full roast Kenyan right now mixing it up with a smaller batch of Sumatra. I always had a soft spot for those earthy Indonesian beans and have been on a Kenyan kick for a couple years.

How this tie into the GD? Not sure.. I did see one of the few GD shows that started off with Casey Jones and certainly the only one post hiatus. That's gotta count for something, you've got to watch your speed that's for sure.

I'm beating my 1969 drum too while listening to our last banana box release.

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Must be spreading. Maybe it's because we passed meteorological Spring. Louisville '74 you say?
Cheers
Edit: Did the SBD on archive. Killer show but now I see why the RT 2.3 version is chopped up. Sound issues early but this Sacks-Hollister sbd has very dynamic sound when it settles in. Mind bending Let It Grow.