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  • #111
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    Noise Reduction and...

    I used Dolby for a brief blink of an eye when I first started copying tapes. Being young and naive, I thought who wants tape noise to come through on the recording, duh.. no brainer, I flipped the Dolby switch on my Nak and hit record. I just want to hear the music, no hiss.

    Very quickly reality set in. Was it Dolby A or Dolby B? Was the source tape recording using Dolby, if so, if you hit Dolby wouldn't it further compress the recording and further alter the sound, you can't play back using Dolby Squared, right? And what do you do in the car, in the boom box (yes.. we were just a few years out of 8 tracks when I started getting tapes). And who really flips or unflips the Dolby switch anyway based on how you think the recording was made. After all, were all these tapes properly notated every step of the way.

    So I quickly gave up on noise reduction, I had a good enough tape deck that I shouldn't be so worried about tape noise. I quit Dolby and never looked back (and never worried about pressing the Dolby button again).

    Just spit balling here, but my prejudices sometimes come to the surface when I hear a Dicks or Daves or Road Trips that sounds a bit muffled and I wonder if the particular Reel or Cassette or Betamax or whatever might have had a Dolby snafu baked in. To be clear, I have no proof this has ever occurred, I just wonder sometimes.

    I should emphasize Jeffrey Norman / David Glasser, etc. have gotten better at their jobs. So if there is any compression or noise reduction used anywhere along the way, they better at making this music sound as good as it possibly can, regardless of the sordid history of the source tapes. Thank you GD, Mockingbird Studios, the good folks and Plangent Processing and all the others that get this music to my front porch. Oh, and thank you tapers too!

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    I can’t say for sure off hand about everyone who recorded Dead and NR, but Betty was known for not using it, and if things are done right, no need.
    Nothing comes for free, so every time you do something, it will effect other things, sometimes negatively…a cost benefit trade off…perhaps just like BITD with high gen cassettes? To Dolby or not to Dolby, that is the question lol
    I always have tried not to do any permanent adjustments/fixes, preferring to try and fix some other way, eq etc, but nothing permanent that you can’t fix yer fix!

    Imho NR etc becomes more of a band aid for when things weren’t able to be right, or to help mask issues beyond repair, i.e., the ravages of time.
    Don’t think I’ve ever used any on a master recording?

    Onto rest of GDM soundtrack this afternoon…

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    So 15 ips or 30 ips would have been impractical for shows I imagine. Expense, changing reels too often, and as these were for listening by the band not studio use, etc. But what about them using noise reduction? I'm guessing no Dolby.
    As an aside, I seldom have my Dolby on when listening to cassettes even though most were recorded with it. Even factory tapes with Dolby seem less muffled without it and I'm not listening at thunderous levels (most of the time) where hiss is an issue.
    Skylabs, a top notch mid-western audio repairer, no longer works on certain categories of equipment: Consoles, quad receivers, linear tracking turntables, automatic turntables, and reel to reels. Just not worth it from a cost perspective for what those machines sell for vs. repair costs. There are still plenty of specialists who will and R-to-Rs are available restored at very reasonable prices but good luck finding pre-recorded tapes (old or new). Nobody makes them anymore. I was never tempted but my cassette guy sells tons of R-to-Rs for like $200-$300 fully restored, but they are more run of the mill Sony and not high end. And they sell fast!
    Thanks again and cheers bro

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    First half of GDM soundtrack

    Ist show. The more surface area (wider the tape), and/or the faster the recording speed, the higher the resolution. And yes R2R can most certainly sound best. (Like anything though, if done well)
    The problem is a good one is very expensive, they’re as hard to keep maintained etc as a TT, and good linage quality tapes are rare and expensive, oh, and more a pain to “flip” than even a record…but they can sound amazing!

    Remember, many CDs AND most vinyl are sourced from (hopefully) master R2R tapes! A purist with the gear and ears might argue that direct to (vinyl) disc recording is the ultimate…but good luck lol
    One of the main reasons digital still gets such a bad rap is twofold
    1- the conversion used originally, and lack of attention to disparity’s between different DACs in the chain. Conversion has come a loonnggg way baby! AND…
    2- a significant number of the CDs first produced to meet the huge demand were not sourced from the master tapes, and lineage and source quality were often a joke! Caveat emptor: not all CDs are created alike!…or Blu-ray’s, or DVDs, or Vinyl etc Like drugs boys and girls, know your sources!

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    5th show in the box.
    OK, now were getting there.
    Great 1st set.
    2nd set list looks good too.
    Moving right along...
    Cheers

    Random ?s for the tapers and the knowledgeable. Were these original tapes running at 7.5 ips on reel to reels and were they done with any Dolby or whatever? And do you audience tapers use any noise reduction? Been talking to an analog guy who says with reel to reel running fast you get superior saturation and the best analog sound of all, which to his ear beats CDs and even vinyl, and Dolby is unnecessary for good reel to reel recordings.

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    climb on the fence, you idiot"

    august 6th 1974

    now that's much better, the sound is less polished or over-dubbed...or whatever...

    support your local library,
    my better half's employer also

    Peace for All!
    uncle_tripel

    PS - Hey Bobby, party like it's 1984, Happy B-day!

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    This is a little niche for this forum since I’m streaming it on BBC iplayer so it’s probably only accessible in the UK,
    John Martyn - Live at Reading University 1978
    This is an episode of ‘Rock Goes to College’. We saw him several times 78 -79 and his solo concerts were always excellent. It’s available for the next 27 days and is highly recommended. For those who can’t access it I recommend his album ‘One World’ which was his current album when this concert was recorded.
    Edit: To be honest I’d recommend any of his albums really

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    Slumming it ; )

    With Dave’s 17, since the rude abrupt halt to my research via the archive being down : (
    Ah well, I’ll just have to suffer lol

    Hope their highly trained crack equipment crew gets it just exactly perfect sooner than later 🤞Was gonna do the big five O anniversary treatment of Rocktober 74, complete in order as I don’t think I’ve done so? Sigh…bastards!

    Kudos to Uncle T supporting the local Library! (TOO is a librarian ; )
    If you don’t use em, ya lose em!
    And remember, they killed Marion ; )

  • #119
    uncle_tripel
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    yeah, so ...

    ...this weekend I visited our local library, been awhile...
    took home the 5 CD GOGD Movie Soundtrack box...
    today's listening party:

    oct 20 1974 set 2

    maybe, I'll need to listen to this box abit more, or maybe not...?
    finding the mix is almost like, well, you know, too studioish...

    ... DL announcement later this week, hey now, how about it?

    make LOVE, not WAR!!!

    uncle_tripel

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Submitted by TN John on Mon, 02/12/2024 - 18:33

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Oakland Coliseum
GarciaLive, Vol. 19

has been on my radar since the release in 2022; eventually I'll shake the short change from my old fruit jar, lol!
thanks for asking; had a great weekend with the FEAT, and even better when the wife and I got together with very dear friends.

Funny though, how BK (before kids) we were always hangin' out enjoyin' life, going to see the GD or P & F, and spending vacation time together, now 30 years upon our heads, absolutely crazy how time moves forward, anyway...
always make the most of what you've got, and don't take it for granted or push it aside, especially friends.

I put on my dancin' shoes
We headed straight for the rhythm and blues!

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Tue, 02/13/2024 - 05:25

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...for this...with the snow coming down for the next several hours, 1974-06-23 Miami, Jai-Alai Fronton daP 34, that's right, LET IT ROCK, before heading outdoors for the clean-up. have a great day everyone!

PEACE ALL!
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 02/13/2024 - 16:50

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The Feat Box periodically goes on sale, so keep an eye on the Rhino site.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Wed, 02/14/2024 - 05:43

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personally have always prefered the name...mind left body JAM; gonna get a quick fix today, diP #12 Providence Civic 1974-06-26, it's a partial set 2, and looking forward to the EYES encore! Enjoy the day!

Peace and LOVE!
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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Thu, 02/15/2024 - 05:42

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...here we GO! diP #12 Boston Garden 1974-06-28, set 2; summer is not here YET, but the time is definately RIGHT for a WRS>jam>US Blues:] everyone keep on keepin' on

Peace and LOVE!
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PS: enjoyable unscripted opening of #10496 on you tube

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 02/16/2024 - 05:00

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too COLD outside, so I'm gonna stay inside and stream a HOT summer evening in Springfield, MA 1974-06-30, this'll be my 1st-ever listen, and am very interested to discover if it is a release worthy show. everyone enjoy your weekend!

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Submitted by TN John on Fri, 02/16/2024 - 20:22

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To make a post about the music I listened to on my walk today.
Keep getting the HN smackdown.
Have a great night or day y'all!
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 02/17/2024 - 09:33

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It’s on sale this weekend.

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Started the morning off (actually it’s already afternoon) with Circles Around The Sun and a cup of super dark roast Colombian Supremo beans that I roasted.

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Submitted by Sandy + the g6 group on Sat, 02/17/2024 - 17:06

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Doing the laundry and listening to Ziggy & the Melody Makers ~ Fallen Is Babylon. The new Bob Marley biopic has me in the mood lol. Takes us right back to those great vibes of Furthur ‘00!
•peace!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 02/17/2024 - 18:32

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Spinning it now for the first time, sounds grate.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sun, 02/18/2024 - 09:05

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Saw him with Other Ones at Fiddlers Green 8/29 - just dumping rain during his set and it was a cold Colorado rain. Despite that, a fun night. Hornsby sits down at the piano as Other Ones take stage for Set I (rain had stopped?) and immediately begins tuning Dark Star. Friend and I just looked at each other with ear to ear grins. All in!

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Mon, 02/19/2024 - 09:50

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to Summer 1974-07-19, Selland Arena and looking forward to disc 3 of daP 17, always a FUN time!

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uncle_tripel

almost forgot about last week's 1974-06-30, most enjoyable and will return to Springfield Civic soon. Was reading the Vol 1 Compendium last night, and got to the incident where RAMROD got clunked on the skull by one of the tapers because he wanted to confiscated the guy's tape deck. wow, heavy, as told/written by Jerry Moore

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Tue, 02/20/2024 - 11:57

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...ahead to 1974-07-25 Chicago, been about 7 months since the last listen, and always enjoy "the feel" of this show.

peace all!
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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Wed, 02/21/2024 - 06:38

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I've got a FEELING, I think that EVERYBODY knows...today's listening party 1974-07-29 CAP CENTER, another really nice show that I haven't heard since cutting the lawn last summer, and away we go! OH YEAH, YEAH, WOO!

Everyone enjoy your day!

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Thu, 02/22/2024 - 05:44

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...since the last NE show [6/30/74], so looking towards that energy boost with today's listen of Hartford 1974-07-31, got the DL many moons ago which was burned to CD and then imported to my phone (yup the version with the UJB encore tacked onto china>rider), so while it's not daP2 version, it's still going to be a FUN listen.

PEACE ALL!
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And I woke up high over Albuquerque
On a jet to the promised land

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 02/23/2024 - 06:08

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'74 has had a GREAT run between my ears so far this year... and with that comes a SWITCH of YEARS, let's HEAR how long this next RUN might last; beginning today with 10-28-1991 oakland, and dare I say, a prep for DaP #51 (hmm, a '91 for 51?)
everyone ROCK OUT this weekend, turn UP the VOLUME, and THUMP IT!

PEACE!
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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 02/23/2024 - 12:47

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...WELL, that was so much FUN, damn, right I'm movin' ONTO 10-30-1991, for the next SHOW:]

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Submitted by TN John on Fri, 02/23/2024 - 17:27

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Jam Of The Week
DaP 49 - Discs 1 & 2
Walking music today for my 6 mile walk:
DaP 22 - Bonus Disc & Disc 3
Scored me a W i n t e r l a n d 1973 Box with Bonus Disc yesterday, so finishing the night with:
11/9/73
Peace

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Submitted by bluecrow on Fri, 02/23/2024 - 18:45

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plus bonus - that is a very very very sweet pick up. disc 3 night 3 is all time fantastic. and def don't sleep on that Cinci bonus disc.

W i n t e r l a n d '73 Box - Cincinnati Bonus Disc
DaP 18 - Discs 1 & 2 [Love Garcia's playing in '76]
Dap 49 - 2nd show
Walking music for today:
DaP 22 - Discs 1& 2
Finishing the day with:
W i n t e r l a n d '73 Box 11/10 show
The great thing about scoring this box is I get 3 more Weather Report Suites. I never really cared much for Let It Grow after they dropped the suite.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 02/24/2024 - 19:59

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Live at Leeds, spinning the vinyl now.

Preceded that with GD 5-3-72 vinyl, which took about 4 hours to get through.
Time well spent.

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Submitted by daverock on Sun, 02/25/2024 - 08:05

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Bear Family's recent "Memphis Blues Box" is a massive journey into the heart of the blues - from 1914 to 1969.

Last Dead -Shrine 11/10/67 from 30 Trips - although I listened to the record. Incredible stuff it is too, however you hear it. Starts high energy with "Viola Lee Blues" on side one, and by the time we get to sides 5 and 6, with "Alligator-Caution" it's like a train going offa the tracks.

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Submitted by dmcvt on Sun, 02/25/2024 - 08:35

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Deep diving into late 60s jazz lately, Freddie Hubbard, Miles, Coltrane. Surfaced this morning with my first listen to Scofields Uncle John's band. Wonderful stuff, had forgotten how great Stewart is on drums, more his up next. Nice to see love for Live at Leeds and would humbly suggest to those who might have not, check out the next night at Hull, though much the same, still great and Keith Moon might edge his Leeds.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Mon, 02/26/2024 - 08:32

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...could I not GO here TODAY, 1991-10-31, oakland, what a FANTASTIC show to start a new week of LISTENING; just cannot wait to DIG into the 2nd set after lunch, BUT 1st set first; this is gonna be SO much FUN!...and WHAT AM I THINKING?...I get to follow this UP with this weeks TAPERS SECTION, that's right, you know what's up NEXT...HINT 1974-06-30 SPRINGFIELD, YAY!!!!

PEACE AND LOVE!
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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Tue, 02/27/2024 - 06:46

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...the ENERGY level UP, switching over to SPRING Nassau 1991-03-27 {no hornsby} and Vinny really begins to settle-in; BRING IT!

Peace ALL!
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 02/28/2024 - 16:45

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Needs to be a Dave’s, preferably DaP 51.

First exposure was in the 90’s when I got the CD. Played it many times. So got the vinyl a few years ago but was kind of let down that it was a single LP and not all the songs that were on the CD.
But, must have been awesome in 1970 when it came out. Maximum R&B!
Never got the Leeds 2 CD reissue, so maybe time to get Leeds reissue and Hull.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Thu, 02/29/2024 - 04:36

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...adventures?...got lost yesterday in the music; started early morning painting the bathroom molding which led to a spousal comment "oh that looks great" maybe painting the walls could use a new color. net effect, JAM time with headphones; continued in Atlanta 1991 with April-05 gotta love that 2nd set especially TERRAPIN> stir it JAM; oh more time for listening, yup, still painting. onward with Sandstone 1991-06-24 another formidable second set for '91 with supplication JAM wedged between E.P. & UJB. okay, okay, enough about yesterday, TODAY it's MSG 1991-09-16, if I remember accurately Hornsby is very strong this evening. away we GO with paint brush in HAND.

PEACE All!
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PS :] PS :) Oakland oct 31 wonderful for #51 and it hits all the HINTS at the seaside, but ...

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Thu, 02/29/2024 - 14:43

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... MSG 9/16/19 (a strong '91 show), and since it is LEAP year..., so leaping-on to shoreline 1991-05-10 and the BAND is tight and firing on ALL cylinders. This show gets 3-4 LISTENS every year around these here parts because it's all together and it ALL works during the ENTIRE SHOW with an energetic 1st SET and SUPER enjoyable smooth JAMS in Set 2.

it's got no signs or dividing lines and very few rules to guide

Peace!

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 03/01/2024 - 05:43

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...that's THE sh i t--> the JAM OUT of he's gone--> (jer & bruce); beginning TODAY'S listening party w/ shoreline 1991-08-17 SET 2. check IT out, just a NICE way to start the DAY!...and sweet little JAM out of ---> SPACE

peace all!
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PS -- did anyone notice MORNING DEW?

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Submitted by TN John on Fri, 03/01/2024 - 18:54

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Trying to fill some gaps in my collection from a time when I was going through a divorce/custody battle [which I won].
Just snagged DaP 9,10,11, and 12 with 2014 Bonus.
Digging on Vol. 11 tonight.
Thought I would get the '72 show out of the way first. If everything works out right, I will be flooded with '72 shows next week.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Sat, 03/02/2024 - 05:14

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...saturday's listening party w/ boston 1991-09-20 SET 2; want to HEAR how this is holding it's own vs. some of the OTHER '91 shows listened to over the last week. HAPPY weekend everyone!

Peace All!
uncle_tripel

PS: anyone who LIKES '85 you need to listen to JOTW

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Submitted by gr8fulgal77 on Sat, 03/02/2024 - 05:42

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My favorite show is ever changing as I listen, but right now my favorite on rotation is 3/18/77! The scarlet>fire, ship of fools, and Peggy o are beautiful!!

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Sat, 03/02/2024 - 10:46

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Grateful Dead Marathon just finished-up SET 1: KNICKERBOCKER 1991-03-24, keeps my '91 LISTENING PARTY alive and well.
THNX DUDES!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 03/02/2024 - 15:06

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Spinning now.

I have the complete FW69 Box on Plangentized/Normanized vinyl.

Excellent (Mr. Burns tapping fingers together).

that Holly Bowling "special for the KPFA GD Marathon" set from yesterday gets uploaded - it was so beautiful

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Sun, 03/03/2024 - 10:13

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...and 9-DAYS; today is the time to WRAP-UP my 1991 listening PARTY...yesterday's KPFA 3.24.91 albany drove me BACK to SPRING with Greensboro April 1st SET 2. today's summer HIGHLIGHT 1991-06-17 GIANTS [SO much FUN} will END a very enjoyable run, and I'll come BACK to '91 as we inch CLOSER to the daP#51 announcement

PEACE ALL!
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Submitted by daverock on Sun, 03/03/2024 - 15:33

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Common knowledge - amazing. What a way to open a show.
2/18/71 today. The Dead have a few little accidents, but it's still hugely enjoyable.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Mon, 03/04/2024 - 05:32

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with a new YEAR, GREEK 1982-05-23 should be a COOL jumping OFF point for a QUICK TOUR thru some '82 shows.

Peace All!
uncle_tripel

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