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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • JimInMD
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    I want what Phil's having...

    Home version. 18"'s and 4"'s. If I move some things around, they should fit.

  • Gary Farseer
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    thanks for the write-up, input. Need a little time to read again and ponder. Think again we are speaking the same language but as 90% of communication is non verbal, some times the written language let's us down.

    It seems I have the dead's equipment book, need to track that down. Not necessarily for this discussion but just to find it again...

    Should have figured Phil would use Meyer systems. Using 18's onstage, wow!

    Hope all well your way!

    G

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    As of late 82 or early 83 Phil was using 4 Meyers cabinets: (4 -18”, 4 -15”), 2 per cabinet powered by custom PIE amps, until they started not using speakers on stage in 92. (Which I didn’t like).

    Not sure I get all what your saying? I agree that Soundboards do not sound natural for many reasons.
    Perhaps your referring to the phenomena of Microphones not having frequency response to accurately record bass waves combing sub sonic frequencies at those kind of SPL levels?
    Mic location can also make a big difference and was partly why Dan started the tapers section. Unless you have the right knowledge and equipment chances are a recording made too close will mot sound good.
    Plus you have the physics: the lower the frequency, the longer the sound wave. If your too close you’ll not hear the fully formed bass note etc.
    In fact if your too close much of the PA sound will blow right by you. You’ll also not properly experience stereo imaging. That’s why usually, the sound board or just before it was THE place to be. It was a trade off going up front: yeah you were up close and could see and hear their stage sound, but the PA mix was so above and beyond you that you missed a lot of info. Eventually they added little Meyers boxes, usually sitting on the front of the stage to add some vocals etc for those up close.
    Nothing comes for free! Personally, like Bear, I didn’t like the stereo set up because of this. Unless you were in the right spot, you missed a lot of info, especially if you were sitting on the side!
    This was the main reason Reserved seating sucked: nobody could sit where they wanted so if you were a sound nut like us, you often had to endure less than perfect sound/mixes.

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    I listened to 1988-10-15. Once Friday, Second Saturday. Two different sources although both said the Ultramatrix board, the first was much muddier than the second. Best highlight was the deep garbled voices toward the end of drums. Really bizarre, and reminds me of garbled voices during latter Star Wars during broken transmissions, and reminds me of the fellas ties to Lucas, the lightgiver.

    I was very disappointed in both versions as the show is missing a whole lot of data/music. What I mean by this is, I am wondering if there is fallout from the phil zone? I am positing that as the Phil Zone expanded, Healy lost control of the overall sound. If memory serves at some point it seems I remember maybe Phil using 18" woofers onstage. For sure he was using 15's (plus 12's and 10's). Now I loved my bit of time I spent in the Phil zone, but generally when I got up close, it was Jerry side. As Phil blasts his horn, this means Healy had to bring Phil down in the overall P.A. mix. In my humble opinion, I believe this led to the bad tape sound, lots of data/music missing. When I focus my ears, I can tell that much of the overall lower sound waves are missing or nonexistent. Even worse, the frequencies that are there are very muddled and indiscernible.

    Now as a way to test my theory, I listened to 1988-03-27, Hampton. Another group of shows I saw in 1988. I did see 8 Dead shows there and fully know the quality of the sound that can be obtained within the mothership. (Also saw the shows that make up "Hampton Comes Alive..") When I listened to March 27, the sound is very good. However, although not as bad a St.Pete, there is again a large amount of data/music missing as well. The imaging is excellent but that is because the imaging comes from the higher frequencies. Bass frequencies are much more omni- directional, whereas high frequencies are unidirectional. (Want to press on these concepts furthur, later on. I want to go back to some discussions back in October regarding HDCD.) If my hypothesis is correct, then the tape anomalies concerning extremely muddled low frequencies will test out thru other 1988 shows. Had not heard or noticed this until this past weekend. So for St. Pete, it not only causes Phil to be muddled (deep booming bass with no clarity to individual notes played), it also means some muddleness from other players/instruments. I believe this may be the reason why 1988 recordings may all need matrix recording.

    Just one man's opinion, would like to know what others thought.

    Both Hampton and St. Pete were excellent shows when you factor other aspects than just the quality of the reproduced sound on tape. One reason I love the later shows is because the P.A. quality produces a much more full bodied, across frequencies, sound than do earlier performances. Early performances are fire from perfomance, latter shows have more depth and clarity in the frequency spectrum, hence DaP#40.

    Ok enough for now.

    G

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    I was there.. It was so hot at the start of the show... Close to 100... Really enjoyed the long scarlet>fire popping up in the 4th slot.... Drove straight to Louisville after the show... why oh why.

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    Congrats Jim!!!

    Knew we were getting close. Still love the Raven show. I am a huge '82 fan.

    This was the same time as my first drop, April 1982, what a life changing event, as I know 4/19 was for you.

    First 2 drops were Orange Sunshine and Purple Haze. Not too bad for first 2. Man, there is a lot to write about with those 2.

    Thanks Jim for being such a solid rock of posting here, and again, Congrats.

    G

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    4/19 - Why take one when two will do?

    I can't say no to that. A pivotal moment in the life of Jim.

    The drive home (including the arduous task of finding the car) was perhaps scarier than that moment when they derailed into discord and mayhem shortly after drums. The driver, the older brother of the friend I went with, was totally straight and a taper. The two of us had never seen the dead before and we both indulged - two each. Making it through space intact was the first challenge.. then we had to live through it again on the drive home. I was given very strict instructions which I followed as if my life depended on it, "He cannot know." So we hop in the car, he takes out his newly recorded master and fast forwards to that very moment it all began.

    "Quoth the Raven Nevermore. ....It was a dark and stormy night.... Wasn't it?" and the laughing and the sounds of nitrous.

    Listening to this again for the first time in a while, that laugh at the beginning of space that sounds remarkably like the laugh repeated over and over again on a loop cycle during the excellent Space from Dave's Picks 40, Deer Creek 6/18/90. It's the same laugh whether recreated or brought back to life from this recording? Not sure.

    Looking back on this 40 years later, I have to think maybe Larry wasn't as straight as he was purported to be. How could he not have known we were holding on for dear life on that fateful drive home? Perhaps he fast forwarded to that space because he knew and approved? A test? Questions that will likely remain unanswered.

    If you haven't heard this check it out, there's a brand spanking new Miller on the archive that reeks of an upgrade. On a similar note, Lemieux has been playing stuff from this tour this year. I recall him referring to it as "a most excellent tour", perhaps foreshadowing things to come?

    To me, the sound is better than some of the 82 that's found it's way to CD.. When the sweet chords of the Wheel finally broke through the madness that came before it.. I realized things were going to be ok after all. And they were. But the half hour before that and the half hour drive home took some time to make sense out of. Thankfully the Wheel and Stella Blue were there to provide support and ground us after our travels.

    I'd like to think we both passed the test. ahh.. well, onward.

    Edit: Two additional comments.. the discord probably started with Feel Like a Stranger, also that Brokedown Palace was sweet. 81 and 82 have some really nice versions of these songs, Jerry's voice was in good shape during this period. a real highlight.

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    I can't honestly say I remember the Pigpen version - despite having the cd of 4/18/70. But that John Lee Hooker record is unforgettable. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds cut a thunderous record based on this theme, and with that title, in the mid 80's.

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    In honor of Jim’s 40th anniversary.
    If you’ve never had the pleasure, grad some nitrous and check it out ; )

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    Sitting courtside under one of the baskets at Warriors/Nuggets game tonight

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I had just a taste of 2/15/73 as filler back in the day - HCS and El Paso. But that HCS was smoking. Still, I'd more or less forgotten about it until a couple years ago when I read a Latvala quote about how this version of HCS compared well with the one from 12/19. And it just so happened that I had a boring task to do [censored - for some reason I cannot describe my office w/out getting hey now'd] at work. And I wanted a long show to brighten my mood. I thought of HCS and that's when it hit me that I'd never heard the rest of this show.

Wow - it's just so good! I had the entire M aples show back in the day, but I still wasn't prepared for this performance. With all the new material I figured they'd be still working things out, but it feels instead like they must have spent that week rehearsing and listening to each other, and were just in a great headspace. This show just flows.

But this one's not in the vault, is it? (I mean I hope I'm wrong...)

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2nd set was one of the first tapes to fall in my lap way back when over 40 years ago. My favorite Here Comes Sunshine - it has a drive to it that I really dig. And Bob's guitar is so exquisitely "wiered" at times, some strange effects peddle? Of course, totally love the Dark Star > Eyes > China Doll. That was an early glimpse into the mystery. And Badass Donna on You Aint Woman Enough. And the merry run around of that sweet sweet TLEO. A tape that was much listened to and much loved, note by note.

Great (or is it Grate?) Dane Box or February '73 box - either one bring it on!

No, I haven't seen that documentary. What is it?
The old Dane County Coliseum. Was there many times, unfortunately not to see the Dead.

I hope we get those early 73 shows out at some point.

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It is about the sound system that Owsley and the Dead had and the September to Decembers tours of 73. Newspaper clippings and some interviews. I learned there was supposed to be a December 15th show in Houston. Always wondering why the gap between Omni and Curtis Hixon shows. Youtube..

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Yep, same here. It was one one my most listened to tapes back in the day. Still have it! Here's to an official release someday.

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Thanks Bob T, I am going to track that down. Their pre wall of sound system was not too shabby either.

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Warfield Theater
Pretty good AUD on the archive.
It's been cleaned up by Scott Wiseman, Scott Clugston, and Charlie Miller.
SEVA benefit show

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Oakland Coliseum
Keith & Donna's last show
Campaign for Economic Democracy benefit
Excellent Dave Usborne matrix on the archive
Peace

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Nice to see ya!
Thanks for the recommendation, that was pretty cool., though kinda weird how it just ended, like Cocaine became prevalent, story over…?
I need to see it again.
f I was only allowed to have one tour….
It’d probably be f a l l w I n t e r 7 3
Good Sheet Mon!

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Prefer gummies over the prescription stuff they gave me. I finally made it home and it's great to see a couple exciting shows to queue up and lively up my next few days.

all in all I'm doing ok. Lots of shoulder work done and still painful but I'm on the other side now. thanks for all the good thoughts.

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Glad it went well for you.
PT is key to full range of motion.
I seldom did my homework and settled for less range, which is OK but now I wish I'd done more. Take it easy.
Cheers

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2/16 &/17/82 two very cool shows I was fortunate enough to be at , would make a great double release. 2/17/79 was a benefit called Rock for Life and was about ending environmental cancer. Another show I was at and should have been released along time ago.

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To the other side.
Woohoo, he’s back sports fans!
Glad to hear things went well!
Yeah, I think sometimes Advil and weed work better for some pain then the pill mill crap?
Whatevs gets you through the night, is awright. Rest up, be well, and play dead!
Music heals!

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Good to hear Jim. Hope you are able to recover quickly.

So much music to choose.

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Positive thoughts for quick healing!
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get well soon, play dead and I mean the music, wonder what the outcome would be if you really did play dead? Home folks freak out? then you awaken and say "I'm not Beethoven"

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HN won't allow anything in my simple original message, like none of it - geez louise

It seems to me that the more time you spend on a post, the more likely it is to be hey now'd. What seems to be working for me is to just whack one out - and then when it's printed, go back and amend it. If you can be bothered.

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was spinning on sirius yesterday. Caught the Eyes>WRS while heading into town.
Everyone is beautifully mixed in. What a recording! Had to check the archive to find out more. Listened to China>Rider to verify the sound quality. Would make a magnificent official release.

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Thanks B.B., that SBD Miller is sweet.
Currently sampling as I don't have time this AM for the whole show.
Cheers

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I concur, gr8 show Eyes is epic, fall 73. Happy birthday Vinnie.

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check PM.

Thanks

Crap, Hey Jim.

Glad you have gone through the rough part. Every day I am sure it will be better, and the next thing you know, It's Summer.

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Sorry man. I always forget to check my messages. I tried to make a lengthier response, but the powers that be determined I used some wrong words somewhere. I would be happy to talk those shows with you. It might be easier on the phone. Hit me a message if you want to exchange numbers. I'm still trying to figure out how to discuss the music on here without getting smacked down.
Peace

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Revisited this fantastic show last night and this morning. What a show! Damn, love that 3rd set!. We are a lucky bunch out here.

Hope we get a box announcement soon.

Hope you avoid the smackdown TNJ.

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...yeah man, I'm down with that...that 3rd set has gotten at least 5x the playtime vs. any of the other sets contained in the HCS Box.

Worked-on my 2024 Box Set calculator, and got it installed yesterday lol, estimated release September; now if only I can get it to reveal the contents;)

keep smilin' everyone, it'll be announced before you know it

PEACE ALL!
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Have hit everything in order through April 30.
Not fall 73 but better overall than I expected!
Some really good shows there, just they all seem to have the same idiosyncrasies. Mainly, misses. Not really any big train wrecks, though JG flubs Althea pretty good on the 30th.

Several times I’d be thinking, this is the show, then they’d have some little miss or Jers voice might be a bit ruff on one song. Just weird random stuff that I’d call normal, except here it just seems like every now and then, from time to time, ?? Hard to explain, perhaps I.e., check out all the HSF as an example?
The tape selection/quality is inconsistent too. I heard several less than stellar SBs, and some awesome Auds, and everything in between.
The first night of Marin sounded like practice, but was a creeper. Ist set sloppy, but eventually got some things going. Awesome Oh Babe it ain’t no lie!
The run seemed to get better as she goes. Again, kinda sounded overall like a tour warm up run… Do try to hear the Blues for Allah hints during the 3/31 space! And the Spanish jam through Rat on the 29th.

Ist night of Vegas was meh, second ok.
The tour proper starts in Hampton. First night sorta status quo for opener, nothing really stuck out. Second night I enjoyed and sounded like they were finally gelling.
CROTCHFESTER. I was at, front row, perhaps highest we ever got, so no surprise I didn’t remember much. I do recall feeling non plussed BITD but I think that’s because I had some song expectations that didn’t pan out? Always seemed overshadowed by NF the next night (same mo for us).
This time, I did dig NF as they jam hard and things can be very psychedelic musically at times, but this time Rochester really stood out for me. One of my favorite shows of the tour, definitely worth a listen!
I’ll skip Philly for now…
New Haven I liked the first night better, great Jack Straw, only Only a Fool ever played, which was meh?, nteresting anyway, nice Spanish jam and space.
Really all the drums out into space etc we’re cool on this tour.
Both Providence shows were solid. Decent Shakedown, but I’ll take the powerful Angry Shakedown from 4/16 over em all.
The second night of P town is another I recommend and another tour tops!
Nassau shows were good, but perhaps a little on the downside by this point?
Philly probably was the peak, but I didn’t feel it was obvious.
I listened to some of these shows several times trying to decide.
I remember feeling DL had gone to the wrong house with 35 being 4/20?
I still think the 21st might be a tad better, but perhaps missing a bit on HSF (they don’t quite get any of em perfect) factored in?
The 19 is ok, sorta tour status quo, 20 and 21 are definitely in the top five.
So I’d recommend not necessarily in order because these shows were all very similar in many ways, so can’t pick a definitive favorite.
4/21, 4/20, 4/16, 4/27 tops, extra credit 4/17, 4/26, 4/14.
Again, really pleasantly surprised at the overall quality and consistency of the tour. Yes if you pay attention you’ll hear some Oopsies occasionally, but perhaps no more than most tours?
Going to cleanse a bit, then hit some more spring 89…
ONWARD!

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Has Jeff checked in on 49 yet? Like scanned artwork. I may have missed him.

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Hey Gary, Hope this works. I tried a while back and got major Hey Nowwed. Here’s the cover art for Dave’s 49 that Copperdomebodhi found. Scroll down to 49:
dropbox dot com /sh/qx5j9ydoc7bzm8z/AAD8yK_vCv_kQ-oLkLJQVCEla?dl=0

If y’all PM me with your email, I’ll send future covers to you directly.

Onward

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wow, what a run hey, during the soundcheck for 2-22-74 I believe there is the first hints of an estimated prophet Jam, and 3 sets too.

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February 74 is where I been cleansing this WE.
Good Sheet! Great minds ; )

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How did you get your post past the HN police OB! Nice work. The longest one I have seen in a while.
I haven't listened to much spring 84 in long time, with the exception of Dave's #35, which I always enjoy. There have been a lot of Philly shows released by Dave. Will have to poke around a bit.

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sent PM

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...yeah Oro, that was a strange night... and with the home crowd and the technical gremlins, it really does kinda sound like practice at times.

But that second set has a lot of mojo. The Oh Babe is a lovely one-off - first time since '81 and the last time the GD would play it onstage. The China Cat->Rider is remarkable, I just love the color Brent puts on it. They take their time with it, too; it's nearly 15 minutes long. The Playin' gets to some haunting spaces, and it's too bad Garcia wasn't a lil more patient bc I'd have loved to see what else might have happened, but I guess he had business backstage. Instead we get the debut of Don't Need Love. Again, it sounds almost like rehearsal, but it's still my fav of the 16 times Brent would eventually play it. I love this version.

Drums doesn't really go anywhere for me, but Space is excellent (Garcia must have found what he needed backstage, Weir's a monster here and Phil is so high on Jill in '84 that he seems to be livin up to his old nickname, Reddy Kilowatt) with a notable jam. And the transition into the Wheel never gets old. The Truckin->Spoonful isn't remarkable but it's solid. My tape didn't have the encore and I wasn't always in the mood for a double helping of Chuck Berry, so I sometimes pressed stop here... but sometimes I'd just press fast forward and then flip the tape to hear that beautiful Oh Babe It Ain't No Lie one more time...

Decided to que up this beauty from the 30 Trips Box, 10/27/79. Why, because I am channeling a 79 Box for this year. Will it happen?

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2/17/79 & 4/22/79. I hope would be a part of it.

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No, but there will be a 1969 box set this year. It'll include the complete Vegas show from March, as well as the early April Avalon Ballroom run. As well as a couple of other surprises.......

Those whom God wishes to destroy, he first makes mad......

Rock on,

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Hopefully it will include, 10/31/69, 6/27 & 28/69.

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Yes, we need an upgrade on that Halloween 69 show, that would be very nice. Maybe even throw Crockett in there as well, another show in need of an upgrade.......

Not sure about Santa Rosa. Good and definitely interesting, but a bit uneven. Would much prefer the Ark shows, or maybe Philly from February.........

Music is the melody whose text is the world.....

Rock on my friends!

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Hey rockers!

OSF has confirmed that they have the original reels of the March Vegas show and the early April Avalon Ballroom run. Although it appears that the 4/6 recording is still incomplete......

People come to music to seek oblivion: is that not also a form of deception?

Rock on, and off to the morgue,

Doc
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Really Daverock?

1979 was a great year for the band. If you don't like it that is fine.
If they stopped playing after 1969, this site would not even exist.

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Deadvikes - I used to rate 12/26 and 12/28/79 very highly indeed - but I haven't been moved to play either of them for quite some time. It's a year where I'm happy with what I've got, but don't particularly want anymore.
I guess the exception would be the final show with Keith - but that's not really what people mean by "1979" I don't think.
The last show I played - part of it anyway, was the Road Trips featuring jams from 6/18/74. Now that is solid gold! Nobody else I heard in 1974 was playing anything like this. Not really jazz or rock - I think they had made up their own genre by this stage

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Menage a trois

I did hit the beginning of the second set of 10 27 79 yesterday doing some PT. High energy and interesting jams. If I could only set the time machine back a week before and get Betty out there to record it, well.. the world would be a different place.

As to Louisville 74, I've always had a lot of respect for that show, it never gets old even the spooky discordant pieces. The transition from Eyes of the World to China Doll could be my favorite one.

Now a 69 Banana Box Set you say? Bad shoulder or not, I am dancing a jig in anticipation.

It's good vibe Saturday all day here at dead net. Not sure if I am tossing out a suggestion, but I am going to put on the acoustic set from 12 26 69 to start my day and kick off the weekend with some of the best vibe GD that's been released in the last few years. I thought 7 13 84 would pair pretty well with the Frost shows that were just released too.. they do a scarlet>something>fire I think?? sort of pairs with the Scarlet > Eyes.

Let's see if this post makes it through Hey Now

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read that previously uncirculated DS > Main 10 > DS > O1 > Aliigator from 2/5/70 Fillmore West is up at LL

Good Vibe Saturday - I woke up on that side of the bed too Jim!! And to echo Cone Kid, hope the w i n g is healing smooth and steady. Have a great weekend everybody!! Onward!!

Enjoying a cup of super dark roast Colombian Supremo that I roasted and some 1974 Little Feat on vinyl.

Supposed to be 62 and sunny tomorrow, think I might roast a batch of beans.

I have managed not to re-injure it while it's in a delicate state. That counts for something, right?

I'm roasting this weekend too. I tried to send a big bag off to people I know that like coffee around Christmas and New Years. I am still working my way through that list. After about three batches I lose interest and end up putting it down.

I am doing some sticky full roast Kenyan right now mixing it up with a smaller batch of Sumatra. I always had a soft spot for those earthy Indonesian beans and have been on a Kenyan kick for a couple years.

How this tie into the GD? Not sure.. I did see one of the few GD shows that started off with Casey Jones and certainly the only one post hiatus. That's gotta count for something, you've got to watch your speed that's for sure.

I'm beating my 1969 drum too while listening to our last banana box release.

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Must be spreading. Maybe it's because we passed meteorological Spring. Louisville '74 you say?
Cheers
Edit: Did the SBD on archive. Killer show but now I see why the RT 2.3 version is chopped up. Sound issues early but this Sacks-Hollister sbd has very dynamic sound when it settles in. Mind bending Let It Grow.