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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • 1stshow70878
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    Thinking Of You, Mom

    Everyone call your mother, if you're lucky enough to still have her around.
    And know she's thinking of you too.
    Or at least play some Mothers of Invention.
    Or like the corny commercial, buy her a bottle of Crown Royal.
    Cheers
    My pick is gonna have to be The Mosque vinyl today.
    I need the workout, getting up to flip or change the record 10 times.

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    Agree with what has been written here these last few days, a few spectacular shows in a row. I was also less familiar with 3/30/90 than I was with 3/28 and 3/29. All three are spectacular, Nassau and the Knickerbocker were two great runs on that tour. Anyway, a testament to how consistently good that tour was from start to finish. The last great tour.

    5/6/70 was another classic. Reading through what was on the archives yesterday, it looks like they put together a free concert at MIT to support the national student strike resulting from what happened at Kent State. I think the Bread Truck was Columbia University in 1968, the students were on strike there too, I forget why.. something obscure. Anyway, 5/6 was a great little show, the Morning Dew in particular shined.

    Great picks.

    As for Egypt, I haven't hit that in a while either. One night, probably 15 years ago or so I put the DVD on when I had people over asking about the Grateful Dead.. probably not the best pick for a bunch of newbies, but I enjoyed it. I think there are many good parts, it suffered a bit from consistency and Keith's piano might have been out of tune??

    Anyway, you guys are on a roll.. and little by little I am getting caught up.

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    Happy Birthday Bill, and thanks so much. To have a drummer be the leader of such a great band is awesome to all of us wanna be drummers.

    Yuck Yuck

    And happy 50th Simon, spinning Bick 3rd time this spring. Love it. They showed how much strength they had in this show, super troopers indeed!

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    Yep, using the server to listen is mucho convenient, but it’s nice to have the original stuff, not only just in case, but it’s fun to look at and hold and read etc.!

    If/when I get time, I can probably help you with some of those missing items you’ve mentioned…

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    yeah Oro -a lot of fine music there. I never took part in those Shakedown Streams. my mistake.

    one of the reasons i compulsively don't get rid of stuff, say the music at hand, is that I'm a firm believer in coming back years later and "seeing" it anew. and that's the case here.

    my specific case in point - a n-th generation board of Rotterdam 5/11/72 Dark Star through Trucking. Huge level issues, one side pegged out and the other non-existent. yet somehow balanced but way way way hissy. got it in '82. other tapes in that trade were way better to me (and they were really really good too). one fine summer mid--summer day '87, after midnight one or so, I pulled the Rotterdam tape out of its forgotten drawer purgatory and spun it in the dark listening with the crappy headphones I had in those days . and it blew my mind. a complete and earth shaking revelation about the Europe Tour.

    will admit that the compulsive behavior behind that may-need-to-revisit makes for a cluttered house.

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    3/30/90
    2/22/74
    5/6/70

    3/30/90: don’t think I’ve heard this one so much, why that is I don’t know because wowsa what a show!
    I listened to most of 3/29 after and I think the 30 is an overall better show! Sure the 29 has the sexy set list and BM etc, but from start to finish the 30th is tight! And a triple shot of Jer bear, fo-git-a-bout-it.
    Now Need to check out the 28th soon also? The Healy Miller sounded fabulous too, even on mediocre equipment, great show, great pick!

    2/22/74: (bonus disc) starts out a little ruff, but by Loose Lucy things have entrained and the sound is dialed in.
    Not sure I’ve ever heard a bouncy Roses. Ruff but fun! Playin is what you’d expect, beauty eh! Has a nice short but clear and concise Slipknot reference too! Can’t recall the Ship off hand (alcohol and listening at night sometimes will do that) but I’m sure it was fine like the rest of it. I’m not familiar with the show, but wonder why he didn’t use some of the more extended stuff? Probably not enough time using using those “first” versions etc.
    Certainly great music but will have to listen more, not sure it stands with some of the previous Bonus discs which can sometimes be as good or better than the release itself. But that’s just being more a critic than a fan, and the fan is glad to have it and will enjoy it for hopefully a long time. I do distinctly remember wanting to keep going and get into 2/23, but I know how much I prefer to do virgin listen in the morning, when I’m somewhat fresh, with coffee and a nice light morning buzz, but before the weed takes over the conversation. So that’s what’s happening next, woohoo!

    5/6/70: what a surprise! Hit this last thing last night and man what a good show. Sound was a huge surprise (went with the Bill Koucky) SB. I had a tape of this, so i must of liked it, but don’t recall it, so came in thinking it was going to just be another ok show with less than stellar sound, no sir! This was one of the best unreleased 70 shows I’ve heard , so far, since I’ve not heard as much as other years…

    Believe this show is historic too. Wasn’t this the one where campus was shut down so they came in a bread truck and/or laundry baskets or some such stealth mode? Sorry too lazy to look up, but I’m pretty sure this is the show, which of course was part of a nation wide campus strike 2 days after the disgusting massacre at Kent state. Michener’s book on it is a really interesting must read for anyone curious about that unfortunate day in American history.
    What’s really impressive is how well they played in spite of how cold it was. I’ve read about that, and Phil makes several comments during the show about it. So for a stealth, unplanned (meaning suboptimal logistics) outside gig with less than stellar conditions, it makes it that much more impressive how good this show is!

    Wow, what a couple of days of dead. And hopefully we’re gonna take you higher with 42!
    Only wish DV hadn’t pissed off Rhino so he had his too ; ) teasing of course!

    Oooppss, forgot to mention Egypt BC. Not sure why they slag this so much? Sure it’s not the overall tightest, but I seem to recall Jer ripping at times? Haven’t heard it since the Shakedown Stream (man those were fun and much needed, even the other half was participating and she’s not even a head!).
    But I recall thinking this isn’t so bad at all, lots quite good actually. And talk about historic, yeah DV I’ve read a fair amount about the whole endeavor, and it’s quite the GD madness some how they pull it off trip once again, misfit power! I believe Keasey has some interesting stuff on doing recon etc in ? Spit In The Ocean? Somewhere? there’s some good sheet to be had!
    Ok,it’s go time buttercup!

    PS, happy happy joy joy to Mr Bill

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    so slowly dawned on me that there was a DVD also with that very rare animal of live concert video footage. cut right to chase and started in on pure Egypt 78 which is Ollin Arageed. So very cool. Worth the price of admission right there. and then into Fire. Jerry's got a wall to wall grin and Phil is that animated Phil we all know and love. Cameras are a way bit bouncy at times but still pure gold. Got to ask though - did they have to cut out the tail end of Fire? Very much muy ouch. And they did it again on All Over Now. stop that! Phil is singing on Trucking! And new found appreciation for the jam out of Trucking. Really really fine.

    50 years ago SimonRob was at Bickershaw in the cold rain and mud. Maybe we should revisit that epic show on its anniversary?

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    Agree with you wholeheartedly on 3/30/90.

    I will take the Egypt release with me in the car today. Such a fascinating trip, the whole process, how it came about, financing the trip, borrowing the Who's sound system from London. And there is a lot of good music there. My memory is the bonus disc wasn't that great, but I will have to check it out again and confirm.
    Enjoy your #42, mine is now scheduled for next Wednesday. So at some point I will join you all..
    And I hope we don't have to wait until July/August until we find out about this year's box.

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    what a kick ass show. every freaking second. started yesterday afternoon and finished this morning. Great late era Help > Slip > Frank opener. Excellent Standing on the Moon, such a beautiful song. Attics?- OMFG. what a mind blowing encore. riding the same big wave of the previous night. Listened to the Miller cause I don't have either box - what was I thinking back then?!

    I mentioned the Egypt release a few days ago though not specifically as a POTD. It was something of a disappointment back then. I guess they chose it because it was a multitrack and an epic adventure. Been years since I listened to it. so far given Disc 2 and the bonus several spins. its got its moments. the Shakedown is very cool to me. I got to thinking that it had to be only the second or third time they played it and sure enough it was second time.

    4/17/69. thanks Doc! ran through this one several times. more classic '69 goodness. is that Bobby playing slide on that early Hard to Handle? seems a tad rough. the It's a Sin segue in St. Stephen is energetically jarring, interesting but not really feeling it (will have to "relisten" again.) Really painful to have Caution cut off like that. Damn.

    Have a good safe and fun weekend everyone. Started in on DaP 42 and boy does it sound sweet. So that's where you'll find me later today.

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    And it looks like I was behind on the thread and did not see 3/30/90 suggested. Looks like I am in for a twofer today, which is just fine with me.

    Stay warm and dry all.. it's cold rain here in the mountains East.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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In process and it has been a while. Sound quality from my perspective is somewhat lacking. Love the Dupree's, It's all over now, good Passenger, Brown Eyed Women. Just finished Eyes, really good. Again, wish the sound quality was better.

Thanks Bolo and Mary!

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Disc one is fun (it's a mix of several shows, me remembers...CR&S is always welcome)
Disc two is sublime. Eyes, Playin' > Wheel > Playin'. I do notice some sound quality issues at times, but they are not horrific and permanent. I remember the Playin' is good as always, and then gets reeeeeeally good
Disc three is phenomenal. As I listened recently, I remember smiling at the glory of the show. Scarlet > Fire, Truckin' > The Other One > Wharf > Around

the Madison show took place about 50 miles north of where l lived at the time. but since I was in 8th grade, I had no clue or awareness of that fact.

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One of my favorites Scarlet>Fire's of all time.... Also love the Samson when after a prolong opening jam Weir does the woohoo type of shout out!! I've posted about the Scarlet>Fire before but there is a Jerry Keith chord interaction after the singing in Scarlet that for me is mind melting!!! Good first choice Bolo... One last ramble, for me this show 2/5/78 is in my mind is the last show of 77... The April tour after this has a different vibe..

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....listened to the first disc last night. Cold Rain, All Over Now, Duprees and BE Woman all top shelf renditions. Man. Iowa got all the good shows. Will start up disc two a little later.
Thats the show with the extended Samson due to Bob's mic difficulties, correct?

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A few momentous stand outs for me: The Music Never Stopped; this version easily made it onto a "best of" compilation early on and has never been supplanted. Fight me. Also, the Estimated > Eyes of so so good. Beautiful elongated Eyes intro, then just mad jamming all the way through, nice upbeat Eyes tempo. Great exploratory Estimated as well. I love the drop into Eyes here; expertly pulled off. The Scarlet > Fire is very awesome too. Long, jammy. Nothing new here, just adding my love.

Nice idea.
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The first thing I noticed is that it features two nights, but unless I am looking in the wrong place, there is no indication which nights which songs are from. I could have checked in Deadbase...but that's upstairs and as I was settled down to listen I didn't bother. It looks like one first and two second sets.

I have just played the first cd so far. Coming from Europe 72, this sounds a lot simpler rhythmically. During Spring 72, you can focus on Bill, Phil, Bob, or Keith - as well as Jerry obviously-and they are all playing with energy and imagination. Here, the focus is more just on Jerry. I like his fiery guitar sound on here, but I am not as keen on Bob's sound. Donna, on the other hand, sounds nice on Looks Like Rain. I prefer this version of Good Lovin to the ones played in 72. It sounds almost calypso-a real celebratory sound.
The cd picks up pace nicely on the last three songs, with great guitar solos from Jerry. It seems a bit more like standard "rock" in a way, compared to the swing they had with one drummer and a fully functioning Keith. I enjoyed listening to it, but I will probably leave the first of the set 2s for tomorrow.

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Not much left to say LLR crackled like a thundercloud!

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....Jerry fresh off his laryngitis. The crackling in his voice during Wharf Rat proves it. His voice was never the same, but still rocks my soul.
Trey Pistachio dropped another song. "Are You There Colleen?". With a message of getting off drugs. Methinks Colleen was his dealer back in the day. Might be wrong. Never right.
I had a dealer back in the day. Name was Chill. Called him from payphones. That was a long time ago though. Thank God.

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At the start of 1978 I'd sort of lost interest in the Dead, having last seen them in 74. 78 was my fifth year in college (yeah I know) and I was way more into jazz than rock in large part due to an awesome jazz club on campus, the Backdoor. The place just had a constant stream of major talent coming through. McCoy Tyner, Charlie Mingus, Elvin Jones, Roland Kirk etc. So in early January I see the Dead are gonna be at Golden Hall so my girlfriend and I say "What the hell?" and I get tickets for 1/07. Now in 78 the Dead were not that big of a draw and I wasn't expecting much, sort of a nostalgia trip. Wrong. They were great, just awesome. So after the show we immediately get tickets for 1/08. These were the Bobby songs only nights but that didn't matter a bit. My girlfriend (now my wife) cried during Looks Like Rain. We were back on the bus until 85 when the arrival of our first kid changed everything. Footnote to that is our last show was a week before his birth and she was major prego and treated like royalty by all you wonderful heads. So I love DP 18 and I especially like the Eugene show release. Stay home.

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Nice! I'm overdue for a listen.

RE: DP18, agree with Jim - Brown-Eyed Women is PERFECT! For that matter, so is TMNS - powerful! And then there's disc 3. If I had to rescue only one single disc from my burning house, this one would be in the running. That Scarlet/Fire is a half-hour blissfest, Truckin' is solid, TOO is insanely good. Masterful music!

On to Wichita!

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....has metal influences. Garcia tapping into his inner Iommi. My ear told me so.
Wichita this soon into the game? Bold move Cotton. Let's see how it pans out.

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Love the Dodge Ball reference!!

funny how they didn't list out what shows the songs are from. even funnier, the songs in Disc 1 are actually from 3 shows - Its All Over Now and Duprees are from 2/4/78 Milwaukee! The Wikipedia entry for DP 18 lays it out if you're interested. Deadbase IX also lists a soundcheck of Ripple x3 in Milwaukee - what the heck is that??!!

As others have noted, among many highlights a great Music Never Stopped and Eyes of the World from 2/3 - love the super long intro to Eyes, it reminds me of a post-hiatus favorite, 6/8/77. They Love Each Other is fantastic. The 2nd set from 2/5 is just wild. Such a raw sound to the Wolf! Would love to see released the Uptown shows that immediately proceed this. Worth noting how rare The Wheel was at this time - 2/3 was first time played since mid fall '77, another year until played again on 2/17/79 (Keith & Donna's last show), and then another year and a half before it finally re-entered regular rotation.

A couple technical notes - based on Dick's Caveat Emptor, 2/3 appears to have been recorded at a slower tape speed (7.5 ips vs. 15), and so the sound quality is a bit rougher. Also, IIRC, there is an unpatched gap (sad face) in the jam between verses 2 and 3 in Eyes of the World. There's a very nice audience of 2/3 on the Archive if anyone wants to hear that.

Now on to Wichita!!

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After listening to almost 4 hours of insanely wonderful music, the overriding conclusion is that, in my opinion, NO ONE can play guitar like Garcia did. At times subtle and nuanced, at other times raging, but always just exactly perfect within the context of the song they were playing. Remarkable, really. Feeling blessed to have experienced GD/JGB live so many times.

Garcia may not be the "best" guitarist (highly subjective, as most of those inane "best of" polls demonstrate), but he is the only guitarist I can listen to every day. That includes Hendrix, Page, Clapton, Gilmore and whoever else you want to throw in there.

It's grate to be a Deadhead!!

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You're a harsh taskmaster! Listening to Grateful Dead concerts will continue until morale improves.

Bluecrow - thanks for the tip. There were a couple of compilations that came out in the 1990s that featured songs from multiple shows, but didn't indicate in the sleeve notes which song came from which show. Ladies and Gentlemen from April 1971 and Dozin' at the Knick from Spring 1990 were two others.

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Agree 100% with your comments on Jerry, what a genius! The whole band was.

Just finishing up Dave's 11 now. Comments to follow.

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Dooo, just listened to that last week, for first time, so maybe we’ll sneak another round in after this 71 grease fest we’ve got going on today .....fall 72 is def fo shizzle....

EDIt: MHAMMOND12...whoa. I’m not sure what’s more impressive, seeing the laryngitis shows or all that top shelf jazz in a club setting???

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Dicks picks vol 21 , not the main show the extras , Iko iko > morning dew > sugar magnolia . Absolutely sublime , and without doubt one of the best dew’s 😸

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I shouldn't really call the Backdoor a club. It was an empty room on the ground floor of the Student Union and Performing Arts building on campus that the A.S. booking people converted into a small concert venue. Just a stage and corked walls. No seats. No refreshments. Bring your own. The talent that appeared there was unbelievable looking back. Freddie King. John Lee Hooker. Two memories...sitting under McCoy Tyner and watching his right sock working its way down past his ankle has he stomped his foot keeping constant time...Roland Kirk playing the flute with his nose, playing three saxophones at once, playing the piano with his elbows and head, and careening around the room playing saxophone being led by his handler (Rahsaan was blind you know) who had an air raid siren he would blow off in your face if you didn't get out of the way fast enough. And none of this seemed like a gimmick. Bright moments indeed.

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This show and bonus tracks from Oklahoma City is definitely top stuff. Sound quality is A+. A great Bear recording! Man, he did great work.
The whole show flows nicely, although not a long second set. Love the Sugaree, Bird Song is awesome, Jack Straw, Box of Rain! Come on. Casey Jones to close the first set and than open with Cumberland. Great Truckin Other One, very unique Other One. Always loved Brokedown Palace and this one they play flawlessly.

I will throw out 12/28/79 Road Trips 3.1??

Let me know Gents.

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I like the post-space UJB and Bertha on that one a lot mainly for Brent's harmonies. Overall a classic pick with a lot to like. I might give DP5 (12/26/79) the edge however. That pick is hefty.

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Listened to both Dave Picks 11, 11/17/72, and Europe 72, 04/07/72, as assigned by Bolo. Dave's Picks 11 is one of my favorite releases. Great recording by Owsley improved by the treatment of Mr. Norman. Has an incredible Bird Song. Just a wonderful release.

Europe 72, 04/07/72 Wembley just blows it away. Leaves a smoking crater where Wichita used to be. Europe 72 can not be bettered.

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This one has a nice slow relaxed build up with some ripping Jerry. TOO than blows the roof off! The only TOO>Brokedown Palace. End of set 2 all great. A perfect prelude to the next to nights.

ps. 4/7 Rips the paint off the walls from the first note. No contest.

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Okay Bolo, what are your thoughts?
Next show for today?

I suggested 12/28/79. RT3.1

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I’m down, right after my John Prine compilation

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I relocated last week and since that time I have been unpacking as much as I can and maintaining my workload from home. So I have been out of commission here for a while. I came across this pick of the day and I am all for it.

Just to throw a show out there ( not for today) but how about 9/8/73? I have never heard it but Dick Latvala spoke highly of it. It might be nice to give it a listen.

Meanwhile it looks RT 3.1 will it be for today. Maybe I will add 4/8/72 as well.

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Nice - been a while since that one hit my headphones.

MHammond gets a gold star. But what did you listen to AFTER lunch?

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I was at this show, it was a blast! Sugaree, High Time, The Music Never Stopped, this show was great from start to finish. This show sounds so much better then Dave's Picks 31 from just a .sound point of view. Yeah, this show was a hell of a lot of fun!

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Sugaree lovely, the rest of the set is okay Music rocks! Set 2 Alabama grooving, GSET explosive!, Terrapin super sweet jam, PITB end jam is sick!, UJB outta drums/space yes!, short Miracle, Bertha>Good Love, CJ , OMSN rockin!

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....on it. (I'm the tour buddy still in the car doing bong rips as y'all are heading to the gate.)

https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1983/09/10
Santa Fe Downs. Give me this. But for Friday. I'm working tomorrow, but off Friday.
I've stood at Santa Fe Downs and looked east. The view is spectacular.
Whats all the hubbub, bub?
It's got a Music opener and a Cold Rain encore. Warts and all.
Things are strange outside. Bird Songs all day.
edit. Found something!!
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/grateful-dead-jerry-garcia-favourite-song/
Spoiler alert. Row Jimmy. Also a favorite of Bill The Drummer. It was playing as I read it (12.28.79. Disc one. Track four).
I still don't believe in coincidences.

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DaP11: Last half of disc two - the whole He’s Gone thru BDP is incredible

Just starting RT3.1 now , if the first song is any indication of this night, I’m in for something special!

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Hendrix Freak threw this one out a couple days ago but yall were onto something else.....it got me thinking about some primal dead, and haven’t had a good 68 fix for a bit....So Wadaya say Laddys?

MHammond: RT 3.1, nice pick. Started to go through the 79 stuff when DaP 31 came out but didn’t make it, rember liking this one more than 31, and yesterday confirmed that. Really need to get to DP 5 from 12/26, it’s been so long for that one. Maybe this weekend I’ll roll that?

VGUY: I’m down with some Santa Fe tomorrow. Heard about this one for years but don’t think I’ve ever checked it out. Plus 83 would be a nice change up here....

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12/28/79! Is this the best RT release? Maybe, certainly the best 79 release from the Vault so far. Betty did another excellent job here.
I like this release more and more every time I listen to it. Sound quality is A+.Sugaree opener! Different feel to this show without Keith and Donna, but I dig it. Brent's keyboards really shine. Really good flowing Terrapin, Playing, UJB. The show closers are fun and groovy. Makes me want to get up and dance.
And then there is the bonus disc, from 12/30/79. 10 additional songs of bliss. Scarlet Fire, Let it Grow, Truckin! Sweet.

Would love to see more 79 and of course 80. The early Brent years! I know the Chicago release didn't match this release but 79 has a lot to offer.
Yesterday I also listened to 9/1/79. Not an official release, but again great 79 sound.
If you have not heard it, check it out.

Looking forward to our next pick. Let us know!

I can't take credit for that pick. I'm trying the Europe 72 night by night thing and I'm already behind.

Playing now.
Is that today’s pick?

First got this on cassette in mid-90’s and loved it right away. Then got a CD-R copy. Was really happy to get it as a commercially released CD.

This show needs a Plangentized/Normanized remaster 180g vinyl record store day release.

Edit:
Looks like I’m a day behind. No worries, I’ll catch up.

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Good to have you kid.

Bolo, what are your thoughts on the last pick. Sounds like the crowd is feeling Dick's 22 for today/ tonight. I will have to sit this one out as I don't have this one. Looking forward to tomorrow's choice.
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