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    Anyone who has ever seen the Dead can testify that one of its shows will add quite a bit of color to the environment here at Stanford. Anyone who has not seen one of these spectacles should have the opportunity to do so. The Grateful Dead are an important part of the Bay Area's cultural history. Those of us who saw them last week can testify that the Dead are alive and well. The Concert Network would be hard-pressed to find an act which would bring Frost Amphitheatre to life as the Dead would. - The Stanford Daily

    As you know by now, we'd certainly have voted aye on this motion, so much so, that we've loaded up DAVE'S PICKS 49 with not one, but two complete Grateful Dead shows from the Frost Amphitheatre, Stanford University, Palo Alto, CA 4/27/85 and 4/28/85. The first shows from '85 in the series, these back-to-back hometown performances couldn't be more different while delivering the same level of passion and precision, five hours of it, in fact.

    In 1985, the band were celebrating "20 Years So Far," a feat that found them on these particular nights confident with invention in terms of both setlists and playing. There are old songs renewed, rare covers revived, undeniably nuanced Jerry moments, and a few surprises from Brent Mydland too. While it's impossible to select highlights, we can say with certainty that the overall clarity of these shows is unparalleled, courtesy of Dan Healy's recordings.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 49: FROST AMPHITHEATRE, STANFORD U, PALO ALTO, CA 4/27/85 & 4/28/85 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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  • proudfoot
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    what a greedy organization

    disgusting

  • daverock
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    It's all been done before

    Crow - well, if you put it like that ! What you say is true, but I was going back in time to when I first saw Robin Trower. At that time, my mid teens, I had little or no historical perspective on the bands I was seeing. Jimi Hendrix was a historical figure - as distant as the second world war, even though he had only died a few years ago. I probably heard "Bridge of Sighs" before "Electric Ladyland".
    Rock critics, on the other hand, 5- 10 years older than me, remembered the 1960's first hand. To them, a lot of what I liked was derivative - but to me it was like a bolt out of the blue.

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    Yoshimi....

    ....I put on (vinyl. I know!) just before reading that.
    Kewl. And Klassic.
    Ego Tripping At The Gates Of Hell.
    Boom.
    The Lips deliver awesome packages. Big fan.
    Vinyl love update....
    It's hard to follow my personal mantra of two records a month.
    They sound so much better.
    Twenty-year old me is saying, "No shit Sherlock. Remember?"

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    Generally speaking, it's unfair to compare any guitarist to Jimi. But if you're a guy who uses the same Strat, Marshall amp, Univibe pedal set up Hendrix used, and you're pretty unapologetically copying his guitar sound, well, people are going to make that comparison.

    Still, I loved Bridge of Sighs, derivative though it may be. I also really dug a record he did with Jack Bruce called BLT that really sounded like Cream.

    Last five, just on the odd chance I don't get Hey Now'd:

    Aaron Copland/BSO: Appalachian Spring
    Maceo Parker: Mo Roots
    Dumpstaphunk: Where Do We Go From Here
    GOGD: Two from the Vault
    Flaming Lips: Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots

    So what if I am a robot? What's it to ya, maaaaaan?

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    ty 1STSHOW70878 and DAVEROCK

    Thanks to the both of you (heck, thanks to HF too for that fun post, below)

    And yeah, that's just not fair: "not as good as Hendrix." If that's the mark then almost no one will come up to scratch.

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    Obeah - it's often quite random who we get into, and who we don't. Especially when we are young. Robin Trower toured quite frequently in the mid 70's, when I started going to gigs. I remember the music press were quite sniffy about him - not a s good as Hendrix was the cry. If we didn't see anyone on that basis, there wouldn't have been much left.

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    1st show, the Buffalo Rose is a pretty good venue. Rectangular with the stage facing the long floor, they have a modestly sized section in front of the stage for the stand-up close crowd (GA), which precludes room to dance. About 6-7 rows deep of four tables across on the main floor for which they charge a premium ($600-700 for four-top, vs. $75 (+ fees) for GA. Upstairs a horseshoe shaped balcony wraps around opposite the stage and the prime seats on the rail are more expensive. However, behind those balcony seats at the back upstairs wall are bar stools where we took up a position and could see and hear the band quite well. Big open room bar at that end and several bars downstairs. The places holds ~650 and that's a comfortable density. But tics are a bit more expensive as it is small, at least for a well-known touring band. In the past, with local acts, I felt the PA volume was way too high, but either they figured it out or Los Lobos had control. Good fun people go to see that band and I thoroughly enjoyed. We ate at El Dorado beforehand; recommended.

    HF

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    HF - What was that venue like? We saw the Buffalo Rose as we were walking around Golden last month. Was recommended by the hotel staff as the place to hear live music in town. I didn't delve into Los Lobos until I'd heard their Bertha on the Deadicated release.
    Obeah, check out the Los Lobos release of the same name as my post subject line for a good feel for them. Start with disc 2, it rocks. The 1st disc starts out with traditional music.
    Cheers

  • Obeah
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    thanks Alvarhanso for pointing me in some helpful directios re: RRE.

    And Daverock yes if I'm honest I don't know Robin Trower from anything but PH. He seems to be quite prolific. I'd guess one factor is my age - when he was doing that Night of the Guitars tour I was a few months from being a teenager. Another factor might be Trower's absence from American "classic rock" radio - I don't recall any of the material from his solo stuff breaking through.

    Ofc this board often serves to show me that my musical depth isnt always as deep as I might believe. HF talking about Los Lobos, for example... I had no idea that those folks rewarded their fans with such live experiences.

  • daverock
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    That Robin Trower seems primarily known on here for playing with Procul Harum. Although I have "Shine On Brightly" on cd, I have never really listened to it that much. Seems I have some catching up to do. He played some very powerful music in the mid 70's, which is what I associate him with.

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Anyone who has ever seen the Dead can testify that one of its shows will add quite a bit of color to the environment here at Stanford. Anyone who has not seen one of these spectacles should have the opportunity to do so. The Grateful Dead are an important part of the Bay Area's cultural history. Those of us who saw them last week can testify that the Dead are alive and well. The Concert Network would be hard-pressed to find an act which would bring Frost Amphitheatre to life as the Dead would. - The Stanford Daily

As you know by now, we'd certainly have voted aye on this motion, so much so, that we've loaded up DAVE'S PICKS 49 with not one, but two complete Grateful Dead shows from the Frost Amphitheatre, Stanford University, Palo Alto, CA 4/27/85 and 4/28/85. The first shows from '85 in the series, these back-to-back hometown performances couldn't be more different while delivering the same level of passion and precision, five hours of it, in fact.

In 1985, the band were celebrating "20 Years So Far," a feat that found them on these particular nights confident with invention in terms of both setlists and playing. There are old songs renewed, rare covers revived, undeniably nuanced Jerry moments, and a few surprises from Brent Mydland too. While it's impossible to select highlights, we can say with certainty that the overall clarity of these shows is unparalleled, courtesy of Dan Healy's recordings.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 49: FROST AMPHITHEATRE, STANFORD U, PALO ALTO, CA 4/27/85 & 4/28/85 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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Dave rock its been released on the Beyond Description box set as bonus material,that it s what my reliable sources tell me.

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I see that came out from Rhino in between Dick's 32 &33 and more interestingly was also put out as individual albums including the bonus cuts in 2006. I wonder how hard those are to find?
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I was figuring they’d go with 3/23/75 as Blues bonus also, but probably not if it’s already released? But who knows? Perhaps gives hope for 6/17/75!
They gave us two disc bonuses before : )
It would make a lot of folks happy, perhaps non more than ole BTK!

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about Mars bonus?
Hope it’s not just cut up tidbits…
Hopefully there’s a killer 74 show with incomplete reals but a discs worth of solid second set sequence of ooey gooey goodness as the Doc would say!

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I was trying to send a PM and kept getting "Hey Now!" I was calling the Grateful Dead just the "Dead" so I took away the word DEAD replaced it with Grateful Dead and it went through ????????

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DMCVT Check your PM I finally got both to go through

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if the PTB cared a rat's whisker and got rid of that Hey Now tripe

Poor business model

Really poor

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I would be glad to have the rest of the DaP 34 Bonus Disc show as the bonus for Mars 50.
Peace

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The name of Stanley Jordan's new ensemble.
Billed as performing "cosmic variations" in a jazz format on the Grateful Dead library.
Not sure how deep the dive is, but...
...color me intrigued.
Peace

Something of a hidden treasure on "Beyond Description", then. I can't see it advertised as a stand alone release anywhere. In fact, it doesn't seem to be listed in any of the available copies of the afore mentioned box either. Strange how such an important and unusual show should be hidden away like this.

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Blues For Allah from 3-23-75 is included in the bonus disc of the Beyond Description box. Likely never released as a separate.
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Edit: Thirty two minutes of Blues For Allah and an encore was all they did at that benefit according to Deadbase X.

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While the reissues of the albums on "Beyond description" had extra tracks added, as 1stshow said, there was a separate bonus disc that came with pre-ordered copies of the box. Tracks on it are:
Weather Report Suite (live 10/17/74)
Blues For Allah > Stronger Than Dirt Or Milkin' The Turkey > Drums > Stronger Than Dirt Or Milkin' The Turkey > Blues For Allah (live 3/23/75)
Showboat (8/12/75 rehearsal)
Shakedown Street (live 8/13/79)
Far From Me (live 8/31/80)
Estimated Prophet (live 10/10/80)

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I got Beyond Description years after release, so didn’t get the bonus disc.
The extra tracks on the studio albums from Golden Road and Beyond Description contain quite a few songs that later were released when the whole, or partial, show came out.
So, Dave, clean up 3-23-75 to today’s audio standards and release it in 2025.

Pulling through a 21 inch snow storm yesterday, central Vermont into Maine was the bullseye, Boston just got rain. Before that, unusually the ground was clear and thawed, ice was out on the pond, crocus in bloom, daffodils budding, very odd for mid March. Several editions of the SNACK concert can be found on the archive including a Charlie, it can be downloaded via ATTICS, a great candidate for a future release. Landmark show during the hiatus. HEY NOW got to go.

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Sunny and completely cloudless here today, so why not a playing of Dave’s 32 from the Spectrum in Philly 3-24-73, with a decent Box of Rain.
While on Philly and the Spectrum, this official Phish release “Spectrum ‘97”, is hands down the best live recording I’ve heard in a while. Kudos to my Phishing Guide VGuy, who got me onto these guys in the first place. Void filled.
I, too, obtained Beyond Description after it was officially released, so no bonus disc for me. I remember at the time reading a lot of press about the (at the time) rare appearance of the Dead on the stage, who had Ned Lagin on keys with them, if memory serves. A show to have seen.

Shakedown? Hey Hendrixfreak, isn’t that “your” Shakedown?

DMCVT: cheese and rice dude, at this time of year, that’s some serious cement!
Careful Bra, that sheet will kill ya! Hopefully you can just let it melt and not have to shovel ; )

Yeah, what Conekid said!

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And that Shakedown is just the beginning. The 2nd set was definitely the highlight with a killer Truckin' > Nobody's Fault Jam > Truckin' that really sealed the deal. As good as it was I think 8-12-79 was better (of course, it was at Red Rocks).
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Edit: BTW Miller's SB sounds way better than my nosebleed seats sound was.

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Hey Oro, its not quite the Rockies but these old green mountains do have a way of collecting real weather. Shovels and a little ryobi snowbroom that works like a charm though multiple passes required when deep. This was pretty light, whats dangerous is being under the metal roof edge when the load on top lets go. And yes, the compacted result is cement. Take the weatherproof blue tooth speaker out there and rock on.

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..with "Beyond Description" looks a bit of a botch up. While it would be nice to have the "Blues For Allah Suite" the other tracks look like a random selection without any connection at all. Apart for the 1975 rehearsal, I suppose

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DR, I tried to post that sentiment as well earlier but got HN'd. Wouldn't let me post the contents of the disc either, but Simon got it to take. The whole release is full of loose threads almost like the other early stuff like So Many Roads. No real continuity but at least you get some hot songs. Doubt if it's in my shopping cart but used it is around $200 for 12 discs + bonus.
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I know snow, but though I’ve seen some dumplings of several feet at a time here, it’s usually so light and fluffy compared to the lake affect snow belt cement I used to shovel and plow back in WNY for half the neighborhood as a yoot. Which is what I feared you received, glads it’s not ; )

1stshow: I pave heard that show and checked out the Shakedown several times when HF and myself were playing verbal ping pong, and it is mos def good sheet!…but I still like 6/30/85 better ; ) lol

BONE US: yeah, I’m afraid that’s the similar approach we’ll get for Mars, though TNJohn might be on to something. Like something Dave would do…

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Yes, 8-13-79 is "my" Shakedown. A little background...

8-12-79 at the Rocks was a really good show. We got pretty lysergic'd that night. The next night at McNichols my girlfriend and I took a whopping dose and they opened with a thunderous Shakedown and proceeded to destroy the joint. I did get tapes and confirmed that the night -- a great show -- wasn't "all in my mind."

But ... I cannot discount the personal bias that comes with that experience and really have no need to put my experience or tapes in competition with other experiences and versions. I will say that I'd love that three-night run to come out, properly restored. We all have those short (or long) lists of desired releases. As we should. I have had all or part of ten shows I attended come out officially, which has that pleasing I-was-there vibe, no doubt.

Greetings to Oro, 1stshow, dcmvt, nappy, dennis, vguy, JimInMD and all. Yeah, we had the concrete snow last week, now it's violent sleet, hail and big rain, and little snow here on the Front Range flats. In a month I'll be paddling down the Colorado River and that means goin' down the road feelin' good...

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....hey now pocky way.
Breaking down the hey nows back to formula.
I busted out the So Many Roads box in since forever it seems.
The Monterey '88 PITB has big balls.
Studio versions of Gentlemen Start Your Engines and Believe It Or Not pumping the adrenaline.
I caught both of those live.
It's all about timing I guess.

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I wouldn't have thought this at one time, but it does seem to me now that any music-or activity for that matter - that we enjoy, after having taken a psychedelic, is largely due to the drug we have taken, not the music or activity we have engaged in.
A lot of music only seems to work if we take the drug that inspired it. although I don't really think The Dead are like that - despite all the reports on here. I don't know if I would rate a lot of the music from the 70's that I still like so much if I hadn't turned on at the time of first being exposed to it.
An example of music I have never liked that is drug based is rave music - and I have always thought that this was because I never took ecstasy or went to a rave.

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Music is used for everything from celebration to bereavement and grief, and everywhere in between!

Also, this hey now stuff. It finnally happened to me and it's annoying as hell! Didn't we have some odd things popping up here, awhile back?? Maybe that's why

Rock on, gang!

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Hmm, had some comments but got hey now'd. Will see if I can paste... nope apparently not. Comments on ancient music and altered states, how long have we been drumming, after sucking out the marrow, people were making bone flutes forty thousand years ago, bows known to have been used ten thousand plus years ago, that's a string bass. Psychogenic plants and fermentation, also eight to ten thousand years known at least. That the problem with prehistory, not much for documentation, petroglyphs, incised clay, cave paintings. But hey, after the hunt, why not settle back in front of the fire with music and enhancements.

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I’ve just seen a terrific animated video on X with the date 3/27/24 for Mars Hotel. No other info either on dead.net or elsewhere, but no doubt it’ll appear soon.

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I seen that too!!

Super excited!!

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I just saw the Mars cartoon on Instagram. Same thing - no narrative, just the date of 3-27-24

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Weird telepathic coincidence?

Was talking the other day and I remembered a quote from bear "if you dont like today's music drop some acid and then give a chance." Paraphrase. Odd to have it come up again.

Can I post?

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I was brushing my teeth with a large jug of bottled water in an albany strip mall parking lot when a cop car drove up and asked my friend and I if we enjoyed the show last night. It was a moment.

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That's a classic concert story that needs more details, lol. Dozin' at the Knick seems appropriate now. Thx JJC.
Cheers

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Reminds me of the Spacemen 3 title ‘Taking drugs to make music to take drugs to’

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1974
"The Dead begin recording Mars Hotel"* ironically it was a Monday-another quirk in the land of DEAD!!

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Boycott the MH release.

Yeah right you might say

But I recommend boycotting

Show the PTB that angering your customers is not good business

I like the spirit, but it might be more pertinent for people to stop subscribing to Dave's Picks and all that clap trap. Besides, I have always rather liked Mars Hotel.

Oddly, I was able to edit and post comment from yesterday that was hey now'd several times... its back about ten or so. Relating to the ancient connection between music and altered states. Capchacha made me go through two screens, the second was for bridges, eerie after todays disaster. As far as this years big box, sure hope Rhino heard all those comments about the issues with the HCS package.

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Rhino will certainly have heard all those comments about the issues with the HCS package. The big question is whether they will do anything to ensure it doesn't happen again.

Of course they are also aware of the "hey now" problem but haven't done anything to fix that.

As long as they keep selling stuff, why would they care?

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Because they love us.
And as Arthur Brown once sang " Love is a spirit that will never die."

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Thanks for the Spaceman comment. A band I had never heard of before. Gave me a nice little rabbit hole this morning with my coffee.

Thanks!

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Beyond Description is an excellent bonus, the series with the best bonus discs was Road Trips. There is a TON of prime release material that got caught up in those releases. RT 4.3 had 12.673 as the bonus material including a 57 minutes Dark Star > Eyes, whoa baby that's good

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Just wanted to wish Dickey Betts and Jaimoe a Happy 55th Anniversary of the founding of the Allman Brothers Band. Always love listening to you guys. Had a great time at all the shows I saw.

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