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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of 5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire," "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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June 13, 2024 - 2:13pm

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Ahhh Berry interesting

Jonathan, ok, now we’re getting good intel, I.e., video good but audio not.
Check out both the audio settings on the DVD and the player, sounds like something not synced right. Also, try the ole hard boot: (with the volume down, ahem) pull the plug on the player…wait a minute, then plug back in, hey, EVERYTHING has micro processing now! Then turn volume up to check.
Guessing a disc setting since your other discs are ok…?
June 13, 2024 - 2:06pm

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billy the kiddd

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2024 1969 Box Set

10/31/69, 6/27 & 28 69 4/5 & 6/69, 5/30/69, makes for a mighty fine box set. Apparently Dave said they decide what these box sets are going to be 2 or 3 years in advance.
June 13, 2024 - 1:24pm

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Been chillin

or shopping for chillum
June 13, 2024 - 1:01pm

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Gary Farseer

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oops

what oro and colin said, was away from computer a while.

Bought 65" samsung 4k television on 2020-02-01, arrived that valentine's day. Covid hit and i am immunocompromised due to appendix rupture. So the tv still sits in its box waiting for a friend to come by and help me with it. Hopefully up and running within the next month. I bought it before i truly understood how the makers of tv always have to get to buy the next thing before the next thing is fully realized. Fortunately I got a steal(y) on it, tv, tax, and shipping was $625. Of course any warranty would be almost gone. So I might have an expensive 60 pound box in my house.
June 13, 2024 - 12:49pm

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Gary Farseer

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4k

My understanding, and I haven't spent as much time on it as conekid, daverock, etc.

4k has more to do with size. Isn't it always. That is when you have a 40" hdtv that is all you need is an hdtv. When you move to 55" - 85" (if there is one), you need 4k. When you move to a 90" or above you need 8k. That is, the larger the screen the more you need tight pixelization (new word?). They have been trying to push for 8k tv's for a couple of years now. But if you have a smaller screen you dont need more definition as it is baked in. There is but scant true 4k content and yet to date I have not seen an 8k production to date, but I am not looking much.

So 35mm film can transfer to much lager screens. Forty something years ago I was working at a movie theater and they showed Raiders of the Lost Ark in 70mm. The film was shot in 70mm, one of few. The theater was the only 70mm theater in a 500 mile radius. We had tourists come to watch in 70mm, and I mean it ran for like 6 months. Tourist travel was shocking. Definition so good you can see Harrison Ford eat the fly in that scene. I can only imagine how good that movie will look in 4k and 8k.

Mileage may vary, I aint no expert.

Edit: forty something years ago
June 13, 2024 - 11:54am

#586

jonathan918@GD

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Oh

My GD Movie blu-ray and Giants box blu-ray, both play and sound fantastic!!

Heres to hoping the Winterland 1974 stuff comes out someday
June 13, 2024 - 11:50am

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Thank you

Thanks for all the thoughts and info on dvd players. Really appreciate it.

I was frustrated that all my dvd's played but my veiw from vaults would only produce picture but no sound. And strangely enough, when I hit fast foward it would play the audio at that speed??

Anyhow, I understand some folks having a preference for something different in a dvd player, all though, admittedly, I don't know what!!!

I'm lost on it, personally

I guess my point is, to me, this is apperas to be a tatic to make folks repurchase things. Even though nothing is avalible but youtube, which has some decent audio but I would have liked the dvd's to work that I bought.

Thanks again, gang
June 13, 2024 - 11:23am

#588

alvarhanso

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4K again

I figured the original source film might be adaptable to upscaling, but you'd have to find the master print. Somehow Criterion Collection found a much better print of Seven Samurai between their first DVD version and the 3 DVD version about 15 years later. That transfer was very much welcomed. I just wonder how many of the 4K transfers are finding master prints to put the work into. Sort of like Plangent has been used on a couple of Dave's if I'm not mistaken, and they probably needed it, if they went through the extra time and expense. But if they tried Plangent on a 4th generation Reel, it's akin to polishing a turd. I could see there being wildly mixed results. I'm okay with the dvds and BluRays I have of Lawrence of Arabia and other epics. If Terrence Malick movies look decent on my screen, I'm definitely good. Which reminds me, Malick released The Voyage of Time in 2016, and it's never had a physical media release in the US, so I had to order a German copy, and it did not play in my Region Free player, so had a buddy rip it for me. That made me think about getting yet another BluRay player. That cycle, she's vicious!
June 13, 2024 - 11:12am

#589

Oroborous

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4K

Like vinyl, digital etc, can be good IF done right.
With 4K that means watching on a extra large screen, sitting closer than might be comfortable, and with all other gear with proper settings etc, AND, (this is the big caveat) with good, properly done source material!!
8Ks even worse in that regard.
For most folks and on the majority of TVs, in the “average” household viewing situation, they aren’t going to see a big, if even noticeable difference.
But like anything else, if done properly on a big system it can be good.

Edit: note, similar fuckery happens sometimes with High Res Music: they just copy lower resolution source to Hi res file, not cool Kyle, not cool!
Always check the lineage/source when purchasing anything “upconverted” or legacy source material that’s rehashed on a higher resolution format!

This is also one reason why many early CDs sound like crap and gave digital a bad name. They didn’t use the original higher res source masters, that and conversion (Analog to digital etc). Fortunately, digital, especially conversion and DACs have come a long way and if done right can be amazing!
June 13, 2024 - 11:01am

#590

Colin Gould

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September 15, 2009

4K resolution

Looking online 35mm film has an equivalent resolution of around 5.6k. So more than 4k. So 35mm and 70mm films, properly transferred, should look better on 4k screens and players than on standard Bluray. A problem with some ‘70’s programs/shows is that they were recorded direct to video tape which has inherently poor resolution. This is why programmes like ‘Mork and Mindy’ or ‘Soap’ look terrible on big screens. I have no first hand experience of this because I don’t have a 4k player or television but when my current kit dies I will certainly get them, unless 8k becomes more than a niche product.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of 5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire," "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

I want to ride my bicycle

I want to ride my bike

My White Bicycle

A little Nazareth reference for you there PF. Lol
Peace

To fill or not to fill

I always want filler. DaP 7 and DaP 23 annoy the absolute hell out of me with 35 min disc 2s. That said, I very rarely listen to the cd after I get it, I almost immediately rip it, convert it to flac and mp3, put the mp3 on a (or several) USB, read the booklet while doing so, and if there is filler, I put that in a separate folder in order. The filler from 47 ended up going in a folder with the filler from 31, since it was from the same show. I'm less enthused about the single tracks that don't fit ending up on a completely different era release. I would rather that be sent via linq in an email for subscribers.

Filler yeah Filler!

The more the better.

Thank you TN John

I had never heard that before

I heard Nazareth version

Then the original from Tomorrow

Cool

Hey now BS

I think it gets triggered by certain punctuation

Still lame af

Filler

5-CD changer.
Load all discs.
Use remote.
No problem.
But I do have to be paying attention.
Cheers

Filler

Ja gerne

My White Bicycle

That's a true psych classic by Tomorrow. If you collect compilations of British psychedelic bands from 1966-1968 you can easily end up with having it 5 or 6 times. Their album is worth checking out too - some great guitar playing by Steve Howe.

Pspeaking of psychedelia

The Dukes of Stratosphear

Neo psychedelia

Good stuff

Bike Ride to the Moon

Must be a tip of the hat to White Bicycle

St. Helena

Yes

St. Helena

Dukes of Stratosphear

Yes, they captured the sound perfectly. A while since Iv'e listened to them, so I've just got my Chips From The Chocolate Fireball down for later on.

RSD anyone?

I was out and about this morning, but didn't think to check if the local record store I had heard was in town was a participant, so headed by later. Was looming for Talking Heads 1977 live show, but they had sold all 8 copies, surprising the owner. He also sold out of The Ramones demos, and Story of The Who which were my only real targets. He did have several copies of Nightfall, and a copy each of the Hampton JGB and the JGB Live from last year. May get one of the JGB later. Passed on Nightfall for now.

RSD

My RSD post earlier today got Hey Now’d.

Spinning Nightfall now and it sounds grate.

Phil sounds awesome on vinyl.

Happy 420 Y'all

Don't Step On The Grass, Sam!
Peace

NRPS New Release

Anyone else pick up this new release?! Loving it! New riders of the purple sage new live release from
Hempsteader: Live At The Calderone Concert Hall, Hempstead, New York, June 25, 1976 captures the band live and on fire on the heels of their MCA New Riders release. Several of John “Marmaduke” Dawson’s original fan favorites like “Henry,” “Portland Woman” and “Glendale Train” are given prime treatment, especially this version of “Portland Woman” which finds the band stretching out with guitarist David Nelson and pedal steel guitarist Buddy Cage taking the song to new places and heights. The band also delves into covers by the likes of Delbert McClinton, Hazel Dickens, Jack Tempchin, Loudon Wainwright III, Chuck Berry, and tremendous takes on the Otis Redding classic “Hard To Handle” (which Grateful Dead fans will recall from their earlier days) and the The Rolling Stones’ “Dead Flowers.”

As with Thanksgiving In New York City, Field Trip, and Lyceum ’72, this release is helmed and Produced for release by Rob Bleetstein—Host and Producer on SiriusXM’s Grateful Dead and Pearl Jam channels, and NRPS archivist. Bleetstein also provided photos and liner notes. Primo Audio Quality is amazing!

Hempsteader: Live At The Calderone Concert Hall, Hempstead, New York, June 25, 1976 is a chance to relive that time and place, or just feel like you were there.

CD / DIGITAL TRACK LIST:
PANAMA RED
LITTLE OLD LADY
HONKY TONKIN’ (I GUESS I DONE ME SOME)
FIFTEEN DAYS UNDER THE HOOD
ANNIE MAY
HENRY
DON’T PUT HER DOWN
ASHES OF LOVE
PORTLAND WOMAN
WHISKEY
SHE’S LOOKING BETTER EVERY BEER
TEARDROPS IN MY EYES
I HEARD YOU’VE BEEN LAYIN’ MY OLD LADY
THE SWIMMING SONG
YOU NEVER CAN TELL
HARD TO HANDLE
GLENDALE TRAIN
DEAD FLOWERS

NRPS

That does look good LMG.
Saw them in a Western Colorado dive in the early 80s. Asked for Henry and got it.
Cheers

NRPS

It is good. There is some amazing playing by Buddy Cage.

May 1 and May 18 1977 only 2 shows not released yet from May 77

17 out of 19 shows. Pretty Cool

Thanks I'll Eat It Here

I kind of blew off RSD yesterday, which is unusual for me, but there wasn't really anything I was desperate to have and I felt kind of burned out on the crowds and long lines I've seen in recent years. But I popped by the local mom and pop this afternoon and what do you know? They've still got a copy of the Lowell George record, which was pretty much the only thing I was interested in anyways.

(I already Nightfall of Diamonds and JGD at the Eel on CD.)

And I have to say I'm really surprised how great the record sounds. "Recut from the original master tapes", whatever that means. The fi is surprisingly hi. But mostly, the songs are just better than I remember. Great vocals, of course. So why was I disappointed in this record when it came out? Anyway, the reissues (which two sides worth of bonus tracks) kind of rules.

Oh I want to find me a river
Take it down to the sea
And drift by so slowly
If you think about me you know you could help me through

5/4 2nd set

Grew up with a SBD of this. Great stuff!

RSD and NRPS

Thanks for the heads up, LMG. Mine's on the way. Saw some shows at the Calderone around that time. I recall it being a concrete shoebox of a dump. Somehow the recordings sound great.
Snagged the Flying Burrito Bros. Live in Amsterdam at RSD. Really long line. Saw a copy of JGB on the Eel and let it lay. Happy with the CD.

Submitted for your approval

3 28 85

Hot

Thanks I'll Eat It Here

You may have been disappointed for the same reason as me.
I saw it as the end of Little Feat, and that made me sad.
The album has aged well.
One of my least favorite Neon Park album covers.
Peace

Just what the world needs…

Just what the world needs another 1977 release, hardly a milestone for DP50! I'll just file it alongside the other 7 x Dave's Picks, 5 x Dick's Picks from 1977. Where are all the Pigpen shows? Something from the 1960s would be really welcome.

another 1977 release

yes

I'll take what I can get

Daves 50th

It seems to me to be very much a celebratory release for Dave and for his series of Picks. That's the anniversary being acknowledged, which has nothing to do with the band's history. As such, releasing another Spring 1977 show adds a certain symmetry to the whole thing, with the first one coming from this era.

04/22

1979

New Merch

Earth Day tees are very cool. The Arches and the Desert are my favorites.
Cheers

Anniversary show 4/22/86. BCT. WHAT A START.

38 years ago today I was at the B.C.T. to see the good old Grateful Dead. What a start it was , the Dead kicked off the show with Box of Rain into Visions of Johannna . Don't remember much about the rest of the show, those 2 songs were worth the price of admission.

Mike

Congratulations. The Leafs toughed this one out despite a couple of really stupid penalties. The Jets looked good as well. Really fun game to watch.

HALF-BREED IN NYC...

I was at the 5/4/77 Show ...I remember it as being really Good, I Believe it was My Girlfriend's (At the Time), First Show, seeing the Dead, I got on the Bus Late...1969...My 1st Show Live was in 1973,,,The Late 60's till 1979, (Up till when Keith and Donna Left) were My Favorite Years seeing The Dead, I'm Really looking Forward to this C D ...(I Remember Watkins Glenn and Englishtown, NJ as being Great Shows too, Have that Englishtown C D ...Watkins Glen in July 1973 would have been a Great # 50 also...Maybe 51 ?.....Thank You for Putting out this Great Music,,,Have a Blessed Night. TOM-TOM.

It exists

Shipping notice received

She ...

... waits for you patiently...

THNX to CROW & TNJOHN;

that 1st cut on Lowell's release was the 1st song played at our wedding 26 yrs. ago and it was selected by my bride,
yes, finally, a wedding ceremony after being together for 10 yrs said ALL the family members lol,

hoping that someday you'll see...
...that all she really wants to be...
is yours and yours alone ETERNALLY

PEACE for ALL!
uncle_tripel

Shipping notice...

Received in the Netherlands.

5/4/77 2nd set -- smile smile smile

I personally think the 2nd set of 5/4/77 is perhaps the best set of the whole of the May 77 tour. It just seems to have a balance to it that is unparalleled. The Playing / Comes A Time / Playing reprise -- perfect.

GD86

Bizarre year

Some gems
Some not gems

Sickly Jerry edging toward almost dying Jerry

4/19/86
3/21/86

More gem moments than full shows

4/22/86 with Box and Visions

Ja gerne

What if JG had been a health nut like Bob W

Hmmm

3/24/86

One of the years best!

@TIMP & 4/23

I 100% agree with you on your 5/4/77 assessment the entire show is to me BETTER than 5/8.
Now onto 4/23/77 another gem from the fabled Spring Tour 1977. I wonder if the rest of Spring Tour '77 will ever get released it all should be Normanized.

Tag des Bieres

Today is the official German Beer Day.
Reminds me of something to do!
Cheers to you all, while waiting for DaP 50.
G.

Gerd

Enjoy the official day!
Think I'll have a lager.
Prost!

Hope all are well

Finally found the cat...

No shipping notice, amazing for Simon.

For all

If you’re not currently watching the hockey game between the FLAs, do yourself a favor and turn it on. Unbelievable action.

I was stuck on the Frost page so long....

....I finally realized there is a new corner of the block to hang out on with all the cool kids.
I'm usually late to parties.
Currently enjoying my Almost Acoustic vinyl.
I bent but didn't break regarding the Phish Sphere show pricing, so I bought music instead!!
I also spent the better part of a couple weeks checking out early '86 Dead shows while at work.
Some good. Some ehh. Throw a dart.
I'm well Gary. Thx

4~23~77

Also agree with WissominDeadHead, Springfield Massachusetts is a must release, The set list is stacked, much like 5/4. {I am still partial to 5/8 Dancin' Streets} Technically 4/23 is more stacked than maybe even Cornell? Anyways I just got my Dave's notice with clickable tracking number to boot, so good job & thanks Dead.net! Also as a final thought, since a 1976 release is due. The Jersey City show at Rosevelt Stadium 8~4~76 would make a grand Dave's release! Peace & Trees be with all of thee on this Earth Day.

4/23/77

Been hoping for an official 4/23/77 release. One of my fave and most listened to shows

A complete 5/22/77 would be nice too

Until then, my Charlie Miller SBDs of each will have to do

some people would get grumpy dot dot dot

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