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  • #161
    uncle_tripel
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    always...

    ...avoided the NR on recording
    and found very early the highs just got too muted for my ear,

    returning to some more 1978 this week:
    june 4th 1978
    at Campus Stadium, UCSB in Santa Barbara, Ca

    some more friends of the devils? lol...
    ...= the "on stage" harley davidson acceleration into--->NFA

    make LOVE, not war!

    PEACE!
    uncle_tripel

    PS: new avatar = mickey & jerry on 7/4/86 @ Rich Stadium

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    Noise Reduction and...

    I used Dolby for a brief blink of an eye when I first started copying tapes. Being young and naive, I thought who wants tape noise to come through on the recording, duh.. no brainer, I flipped the Dolby switch on my Nak and hit record. I just want to hear the music, no hiss.

    Very quickly reality set in. Was it Dolby A or Dolby B? Was the source tape recording using Dolby, if so, if you hit Dolby wouldn't it further compress the recording and further alter the sound, you can't play back using Dolby Squared, right? And what do you do in the car, in the boom box (yes.. we were just a few years out of 8 tracks when I started getting tapes). And who really flips or unflips the Dolby switch anyway based on how you think the recording was made. After all, were all these tapes properly notated every step of the way.

    So I quickly gave up on noise reduction, I had a good enough tape deck that I shouldn't be so worried about tape noise. I quit Dolby and never looked back (and never worried about pressing the Dolby button again).

    Just spit balling here, but my prejudices sometimes come to the surface when I hear a Dicks or Daves or Road Trips that sounds a bit muffled and I wonder if the particular Reel or Cassette or Betamax or whatever might have had a Dolby snafu baked in. To be clear, I have no proof this has ever occurred, I just wonder sometimes.

    I should emphasize Jeffrey Norman / David Glasser, etc. have gotten better at their jobs. So if there is any compression or noise reduction used anywhere along the way, they better at making this music sound as good as it possibly can, regardless of the sordid history of the source tapes. Thank you GD, Mockingbird Studios, the good folks and Plangent Processing and all the others that get this music to my front porch. Oh, and thank you tapers too!

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    Ooops, forgot

    I can’t say for sure off hand about everyone who recorded Dead and NR, but Betty was known for not using it, and if things are done right, no need.
    Nothing comes for free, so every time you do something, it will effect other things, sometimes negatively…a cost benefit trade off…perhaps just like BITD with high gen cassettes? To Dolby or not to Dolby, that is the question lol
    I always have tried not to do any permanent adjustments/fixes, preferring to try and fix some other way, eq etc, but nothing permanent that you can’t fix yer fix!

    Imho NR etc becomes more of a band aid for when things weren’t able to be right, or to help mask issues beyond repair, i.e., the ravages of time.
    Don’t think I’ve ever used any on a master recording?

    Onto rest of GDM soundtrack this afternoon…

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    Thx Oro

    So 15 ips or 30 ips would have been impractical for shows I imagine. Expense, changing reels too often, and as these were for listening by the band not studio use, etc. But what about them using noise reduction? I'm guessing no Dolby.
    As an aside, I seldom have my Dolby on when listening to cassettes even though most were recorded with it. Even factory tapes with Dolby seem less muffled without it and I'm not listening at thunderous levels (most of the time) where hiss is an issue.
    Skylabs, a top notch mid-western audio repairer, no longer works on certain categories of equipment: Consoles, quad receivers, linear tracking turntables, automatic turntables, and reel to reels. Just not worth it from a cost perspective for what those machines sell for vs. repair costs. There are still plenty of specialists who will and R-to-Rs are available restored at very reasonable prices but good luck finding pre-recorded tapes (old or new). Nobody makes them anymore. I was never tempted but my cassette guy sells tons of R-to-Rs for like $200-$300 fully restored, but they are more run of the mill Sony and not high end. And they sell fast!
    Thanks again and cheers bro

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    Oroborous
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    First half of GDM soundtrack

    Ist show. The more surface area (wider the tape), and/or the faster the recording speed, the higher the resolution. And yes R2R can most certainly sound best. (Like anything though, if done well)
    The problem is a good one is very expensive, they’re as hard to keep maintained etc as a TT, and good linage quality tapes are rare and expensive, oh, and more a pain to “flip” than even a record…but they can sound amazing!

    Remember, many CDs AND most vinyl are sourced from (hopefully) master R2R tapes! A purist with the gear and ears might argue that direct to (vinyl) disc recording is the ultimate…but good luck lol
    One of the main reasons digital still gets such a bad rap is twofold
    1- the conversion used originally, and lack of attention to disparity’s between different DACs in the chain. Conversion has come a loonnggg way baby! AND…
    2- a significant number of the CDs first produced to meet the huge demand were not sourced from the master tapes, and lineage and source quality were often a joke! Caveat emptor: not all CDs are created alike!…or Blu-ray’s, or DVDs, or Vinyl etc Like drugs boys and girls, know your sources!

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    5th show in the box.
    OK, now were getting there.
    Great 1st set.
    2nd set list looks good too.
    Moving right along...
    Cheers

    Random ?s for the tapers and the knowledgeable. Were these original tapes running at 7.5 ips on reel to reels and were they done with any Dolby or whatever? And do you audience tapers use any noise reduction? Been talking to an analog guy who says with reel to reel running fast you get superior saturation and the best analog sound of all, which to his ear beats CDs and even vinyl, and Dolby is unnecessary for good reel to reel recordings.

  • #167
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    climb on the fence, you idiot"

    august 6th 1974

    now that's much better, the sound is less polished or over-dubbed...or whatever...

    support your local library,
    my better half's employer also

    Peace for All!
    uncle_tripel

    PS - Hey Bobby, party like it's 1984, Happy B-day!

  • #168
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    This is a little niche for this forum since I’m streaming it on BBC iplayer so it’s probably only accessible in the UK,
    John Martyn - Live at Reading University 1978
    This is an episode of ‘Rock Goes to College’. We saw him several times 78 -79 and his solo concerts were always excellent. It’s available for the next 27 days and is highly recommended. For those who can’t access it I recommend his album ‘One World’ which was his current album when this concert was recorded.
    Edit: To be honest I’d recommend any of his albums really

  • #169
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    Slumming it ; )

    With Dave’s 17, since the rude abrupt halt to my research via the archive being down : (
    Ah well, I’ll just have to suffer lol

    Hope their highly trained crack equipment crew gets it just exactly perfect sooner than later 🤞Was gonna do the big five O anniversary treatment of Rocktober 74, complete in order as I don’t think I’ve done so? Sigh…bastards!

    Kudos to Uncle T supporting the local Library! (TOO is a librarian ; )
    If you don’t use em, ya lose em!
    And remember, they killed Marion ; )

  • #170
    uncle_tripel
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    yeah, so ...

    ...this weekend I visited our local library, been awhile...
    took home the 5 CD GOGD Movie Soundtrack box...
    today's listening party:

    oct 20 1974 set 2

    maybe, I'll need to listen to this box abit more, or maybe not...?
    finding the mix is almost like, well, you know, too studioish...

    ... DL announcement later this week, hey now, how about it?

    make LOVE, not WAR!!!

    uncle_tripel

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Submitted by daverock on Fri, 04/26/2024 - 02:46

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From a podcast of Deadshow of the month I recorded about 15 years ago. No break between tracks unfortunately. So if I stop listening after half an hour, I have to go back to the beginning. Anyway, it opens with China-Rider, and is well good.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 04/26/2024 - 05:11

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...DOWN > > > April 26, 1983, Spectrum Phila; daP vol. 39 and a HELP > SLIP > FRANK

peace all
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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 04/27/2024 - 12:12

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Bought my ticket the night before and hit the road next morning on a near 500 mile drive. Fantastic show. So glad I didn't f*** that up! Don't own yet the nugz sbd so np Z-Man _Brian Lee transfer 165840 which is an excellent pull.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Wed, 05/01/2024 - 10:06

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...don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you've got nothing new to say;

today IT is 1970-05-01 Alfred Acoustic

it's got no signs or dividing lines and very few rules to guide

Peace for All!
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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Thu, 05/02/2024 - 04:13

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busy GOGD day TODAY...gonna have to start today with PHL 1981-05-02, because,
as we all like to say, 43 years ago...my friends and I piled into someone's 1970's or was it a 1960's station wagon for a ride down to the Spectrum...that's right I've got some high-test GD with my morning java...

but, of course...this afternoon's acoustic set will be 1970-05-02 [diP#8] @ SUNY Binghamton

Everyone enjoy your day, with Peace & Love for All!
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Submitted by bigbrownie on Thu, 05/02/2024 - 09:39

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I was at that Spectrum show. One thing in particular I remember was peaking during Scarlet>Fire and saying to myself, "whoa, they just played that backwards, note for note". Funny, the things we remember. Finally got a copy of that tape, and, no, they did not. But it was a damn fine show!

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 05/03/2024 - 05:31

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...is Dawning" as Pig escorts us thru Good Lovin' @ L'olympia theater PARIS
1972-05-03; was thinkin' about 1991-05-03 calexpo, but, nah, it's gotta be '72 today!
I'm all set, and I'm OFF...

...and I can hear the drums, voodoo all night long
Mr. Charlie tellin' me, I can't do nothin' wrong...

y'all enjoy your Friday!

Peace and Love today & everyday for ALL!
uncle_tripel

BigB: you know it, always enjoyable jack>sugaree, birdsong, good lovin'

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 05/10/2024 - 05:55

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...in the New York groove, well almost...but very close; Englishtown, NJ after 3 months away from performing LIVE 1977-09-03 Raceway Park outdoors in all it's splendor, let's ROCK...
just awesome sounding ("amazing show" per Mr. Latvala)

Peace All!
uncle_tripel

edited after listening: '77 is nice, but this performance is fah king SWEET!

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Sat, 05/11/2024 - 04:28

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...through to Baltimore...with the 23rd installment in the Dick's Picks series, uncle_tripel has selected Balt. Civic Center
1972-09-17 for today's listening party :)

everyone, if you can, enjoy your weekend!
PEACE!

PS: this will be a 1st time CD listen, just picked this up for under $48 "new", found in a record store a couple of weeks ago; it is a 2013 re-release from Real Gone.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Mon, 05/13/2024 - 13:54

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good eyes but we still don't see, 1973-05-13 SET 3 @ Des Moines State Fairgrounds, and that'll put a BIG smile on my mug, how's about you?

...and you know that notion just crossed my mind, Peace All!
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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Tue, 05/14/2024 - 04:51

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...I ain't superstitious, but...
when my right hand itches, I gets money for sure

1985-06-28 Hershey Park Stadium
outdoors you know, big humidity, big rain, thick air, so PLAY DEAD LOUD and they DID!

...so if you're lookin' to get silly, you better go back to from where you came, because the cops don't need you, and man, they expect the same...

and to a peaceful day
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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Wed, 05/15/2024 - 06:05

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to Vancouver and the PNE Coliseum for Set 2, 1974-05-17
...check my pulse, it don't change, stay seventy-two come shine or rain.

have a Great Day everyone and with Peace for All!
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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 05/15/2024 - 06:26

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Right now I am listening to May 15, 1970 early show (at low volume) while I work on autopsy reports.............

Music has an intrinsic meaning, which has always been mysterious to me.....

Rock on!

Doc
A musicologist is a man who can read music but can't hear it.....

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Thu, 05/16/2024 - 04:24

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...just a Mile to Go---> Anchorage 1980-06-20 West "High" School Auditorium; have you ever heard...? when's the last you did a listen...? best do it, and this one WILL keep you smilin' even on a cloudy day

--->if you get confused, listen to the music PLAY

everyone have a peaceful day
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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Thu, 05/16/2024 - 05:43

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Hey rockers!

Right now I'm listening to San Antonio November 12, 1971. Maybe not classic, but a solid, fine show. Lots of the new material on display and an Other One that bobs and weaves through many different spaces. Underrated and rarely spoken of. Always worth a listen.....

When it comes to Texas in 1971, Austin gets the love, TCU gets a hug, San Antonio gets stood up at the prom.

Our memory is and always will be as good as time travel gets, and in the meantime time will do the travelling for us.....

Rock on,

Doc
Even if it turns out that time travel is impossible, it is important that we understand why it is impossible.....

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 05/17/2024 - 04:35

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...so this must be The Dead in Wonderland, 1984-06-21 Kingswood Music Theatre; taped this FM broadcast and it was always a fun listen, especially Wavy Gravy improv on his two great secrets about the GD lol; solid '84 show with special guests (Levon Helm & Rick Danko from the Band) for the 3 encores :)

Peace All!
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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 05/17/2024 - 05:05

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Hey rockers!

Right now I'm listening to 2/11/70, not sure why but it sures sounds great!!

My best friend and I were at the 6/21/84 show, we rode up on the motorcycles and had a blast. The three song encore was super sweet. Hey now!

And then we caught the SPAC show on the ride back. Those were the days!!!

Find a place inside where there's joy, and the joy will burn out the pain......

Rock on!

Doc
There is no pain so great as the memory of joy in present grief.......

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Sat, 05/18/2024 - 04:43

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...begins with 2020 bonus 1974-06-22 at the Jai-Alai Fronton in Miami,
then moving on to 2024 bonus 1977-05-04 at the Palladium in NYC,
and finally 2022 bonus 1974-02-22 at the W interland Arena in SF
everyone enjoy your weekend!

Peace for All!
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 05/18/2024 - 08:18

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and super dark roast Columbian Supremo.
Time to brew up a second cup.

So glad you liked it BC. That's her family's place there, the old golden cruising, extra texture. Heading to Maine, further up the coast near Bay of Funny, Canada tomorrow for the heat wave. For more chuckles, check out her OMG video from Philly where she plays a small piano bar and does her version of Tweezer, Mike Gordon shows up totally out of the blue (crow). Hey Now!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Mon, 05/20/2024 - 07:49

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DMCVT - Definitely was watching that sweet old doggle woggle as it came and went during the set. I had skipped over the much of the intro text that detailed Holly's personal history as to Casco Bay - thanks for pointing it out and thanks for recommending the show!

This morning decided to stream another from the Wilderness Sessions - Beartooth Mountains, WY - 10/1/2020

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Tue, 05/21/2024 - 04:55

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...with the 50th anniversary Skull & Roses bonus...1971-07-02 Fillmore West :)

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Wed, 05/22/2024 - 03:56

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...2016 daP #18 filler and bonus disc 1976-07-16 @ the Orpheum in SF...ROCK!

Peace for All!
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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Thu, 05/23/2024 - 06:50

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...stopped in 'cause I want to say, 1985-06-30 merriweather post pavilion...well, well, well

nothin' here that could int'rest you

Peace All!

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Submitted by Tom Haas on Thu, 05/23/2024 - 12:42

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Dear friends

I truly believe that it is impossible to listen to the Grateful Dead while being unhappy. They won't banish unhappiness from your life, but will go a long way towards enhancing the joys that life brings.

Currently listening to "Dear Jerry: A Celebration....", with The Yonder Mountain String Band playing "Shakedown Street". The woman fiddle player's voice adds a great dimension to the song. Well well well....

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Mon, 05/27/2024 - 06:15

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...well, yeah...for some GOGD outdoors on the patio today...so get ready neighbors, fire up the grills, chill down the beverages, and play dead, PLAY DEAD LOUD
1977-11-04 Cotterrell Gym (Colgate Univ.) in Hamilton, NY

enjoy the holiday everyone!
uncle_tripel

...there's nothing you can hold...
...for very long

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Mon, 05/27/2024 - 06:29

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started with Ball, then went to Heavy then to In-a-gadda-da-vida, then Metamorphosis (my favorite). What a great band, Via con Dios Doug.
Back in the day, every would-be drummer played that drum solo from the in-a-gadda-da-vida lp, it was like a rite of passage.
Personally, the guitar solo in this lp, the "iron butterfly" screeching during that solo is a sound that was coined as "Heavy Metal" before such a thing was thought of.
What a time to be young.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Mon, 05/27/2024 - 12:22

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The life of the dead is placed in the memory of the living......

In memory of the late Mr Walton, I am listening to 11/20/71. Bill, I salute you and wish you safe travels!!!

And how can man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods?

Doc
Because I could not stop for death, he kindly stopped for me, the carriage held but just ourselves and immortality......

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Wed, 05/29/2024 - 05:03

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"How do you do?"
1976-09-25 at that Cap Center in MD, can't resist that Set 2, and no need to explain, just listen and BTW thank that mr. latvala for diP #20
[inside diP #20 don't forget about that fan letter stating "always felt it to be unfair to force Dead Heads to turn to illegitimate & poor quality bootlegs"
and suggests that the band "put out a line of recordings of your concerts."]
and so to TPTB I say "keep them COMING!"

A little bit quicker and...
we might have time to say "How do you do?"
before we left behind

Peace and Kindness to All!
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 05/29/2024 - 14:42

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Spinning now, didn’t get to it on the anniversary.

Yes Rhino, pick up the pace of releases.
2 Boxes per year please.

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Thu, 05/30/2024 - 04:38

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1988-07-03 Oxford Plains Speedway and outdoors you know, and that means we are fired-up everywhere!
...Laugh in the Sunshine, SING!

this show was / IS HOT, but you already knew it, and thanks to mr dan healy for giving all of us attendees the opportunity to become part of GOGD lore by leaving the soundboard tape running to conclude the performance, listen did you hear what I just heard...not fade away!

Peace All!
uncle_tripel

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Thu, 05/30/2024 - 07:59

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Hey rockers!!

It's my Friday, paperwork day, working on autopsy reports while listening to the Detroit shows of October 23 and 24 1971. Worth a listen..............

Release of June 1970 Hawaii shows would be awesome!

Music is intended and designed for sentient beings that have hopes and purposes and emotions.....

Rock on!

Doc
Music is the medicine of the mind......

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Submitted by uncle_tripel on Fri, 05/31/2024 - 05:47

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...MUCH talk about box sets; yup, beginning the weekend with the Here Comes Sunshine Box...
1973-05-26 sets 2 & 3 kezar...

...I'm on my way, on my way

enjoy the weekend everyone
Peace!
uncle_tripel

I saw comments when 1-22-78 vinyl came out that it was a bad pressing.
How was your copy?
I suspect that some are bad but that there are some good ones too.
I didn’t buy it because of the bad reviews.

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Submitted by daverock on Sat, 06/01/2024 - 10:35

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Cnkd - luckily mines 100% proof. No scratches or any audible interference at all. I have to say also, that whenever I have bought some L.Ps off deadnet, and one of them is less than perfect, it has always been replaced by them with no problem. I'd go for it!
Great show of course. I'm now back into 1978 for a while - Dicks Picks 18, featuring the two shows from 2/78, is a stone cold classic as everyone knows.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 06/01/2024 - 11:51

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Yes, ‘78 has some good stuff.
Wonder why RedRocks 78 hasn’t been chosen for a vinyl pressing.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Sat, 06/01/2024 - 12:09

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What about the Red Rocks "Werewolves" show in vinyl?
I'm in.
Cheers