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    Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

    Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

    Subject: setting me on fire

    left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

    yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

    Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

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  • proudfoot
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    If any of y'all had the good fortune to...

    be at Electric on the Eel in 87, the envy is all mine

  • Oroborous
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    Fall 91

    I love 9/26/91, I think I liked it better than the 25.
    9/10/91 was part of Boxilla.
    I listened to the whole tour in order 3 years ago, here’s what I came up with…

    Possible Fall 1991 Box (the last consistently good tour?)

    9/6/91
    9/8/91
    9/16/91*
    9/22/91
    9/24/91
    9/26/91*
    10/31/91*

    Favorite/must haves*
    7 Shows
    66 one time songs: really good selection!
    16 Repeats
    6 Threepeats
    (Not including D&S)

    The three peats are: Dar Star, Attics, Let It Grow, Saint, Stranger, and Good Lovin’

    The repeats are: Spoonful, Dark Star Jam, Wang Dang, Candyman, Maggie’s, Standing on Moon, Last Time, Stella, Samson, Eyes, TOO, Bertha, All Over Now, Heaven’s Door, Minglewood, and A&A. Hey, no matter how you slice em, Bobs ALWAYS gonna have repeats!

    9/17 and other Oakland and Richfield are probably worthy, but then you start getting into more repeats and perhaps too big a box?

    Works all done, Fire it up!
    Yer welcome ; )

    Going 84 Dark Star tonight!

  • proudfoot
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    9 25 91

    I was quite grumpy about that release back in the day

    Haven't listened for a loooooong time

    It's time to check it out again

  • Obeah
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    There are a lot of shows I'd have my ears on before 9/26/91. That Fall tour comprises eighteen shows spanning just three cities (3 in Richfield, 9 in NYC, 6 in Boston), all in September '91, with the 26th being the tour closer. Now, if my facts are accurate, Dave has only released one show from Boston - Vol. 21, 4/2/73 - which also happens to be the end of the tour.

    But I've always wondered at the selection of 9/25 as Dick's Picks Vol 17. By that point, of course, Latvala was dead and gone, so this was a Dave's pick in all but name. (I mean then again Dick had all those notebooks and maybe he had this one slated for release.) It does feature "That Would Be Something", the first Grateful Dead version of the song and the only rendition with Bruce. For that matter it was the only one for another two years, until the song entered the occasional rotation in mid-1993. But idk, I caught it once (at San Diego in Dec '93) and, well, it's a nice little tune but it didn't rock my world, ya know? (Although after all these years I can still hear Garcia singing the refrain - though I seem to recall he sang it as "pouring rain" rather than "falling") And anyway, the rest of that set II just never really wowed me. That said, I've never heard a note of 9/26. And the setlist is certainly promising. So maybe they ginned up some lightning in a bottle for that tour ender. Or... or... maybe this is just an unfounded rumor.

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    Phish Vegas '04 and a 20-year hiatus

    I was there that weekend. I remember being puzzled by the shows and the music. I agree with Alvarhanso that there were some good moments, but I too cannot remember them specifically. What I mostly remember is this deepening sadness as the weekend went on. I kept waiting for the magic to happen, but across that stand there were just some fleeting flashes of formerly glory that felt like parlor tricks rather than anything sustained and powerful. I do recall we were all puzzled that Kuroda wasn't there...

    Nevertheless, after seeing Phish live each year since '92 (I mean other than the hiatus) my disappointment was so profound that by the time we flew out of Mc Carran on Sunday, I told myself that I was done seeing Phish. And I took my own 20 year hiatus. It wasn't until the Sphere shows this past April that I finally looked in on Phish again. And I was glad I did, because they weren't the same band I'd seen in Vegas on that fateful weekend... they were better, much, much better.

  • Oroborous
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    Hey O’

    Daverock with the coffee chortle of the month! 😂

  • dmcvt
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    may it be reel, 1/21

    that would mean they recovered the missing reels... Smokestack Lightning, H2H, a 25 minute TOO... the aud thats here is boomy, too much ambient noise, thrilling to have a clean, though doesn't quite fit with Dave's early hints.

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    Maybe it will be another one from Spring 1977, and Dave's a bit nervous about making the announcement.

  • alvarhanso
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    Phish Vegas April 2004

    The Phish went into Vegas in April 2004 for 3 shows to start the year, coming off a good to great 2003 return from hiatus, and the Vegas shows were universally panned as awful. Addiction issues were likely causes (not just Trey), and those shows were supposedly big reasons for the breakup that was set for August 2004 after a festival at Coventry, VT, which turned into its own muddy debacle and poor way to go out. 5 years later, they returned, with a newly sober Trey, and they refocused and have been much, much better since then. 2004 still had some good moments, even those Vegas shows had a couple good moments (couldn't tell you what they were as I last listened to them 20 years ago now), but I would imagine folks here know how that can go. So, it was very good that they took the appropriate time apart, got themselves in better spots mentally, physically, whatever, and came back stronger.

    Eta: I would much rather Doc's prediction of 1971 than of 9/26/91. Not opposed to 1991, I'd just rather it be a 4 disc Greensboro 1991.

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    Oh for quality recordings of both those shows

    Ja, gerne

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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

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Is for those shows from the Ark in 1969 to finally get released. Don't care if it's in a box set, or a DaP, or what, but them shows need to be OUT. Iconic performances, good sound, Come on, Dave! What's the holdup, maaaaan?

I ain't a-scared of no AI. Those guys can't even tell the difference between a crosswalk and a motorbike.

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Illogical for it to be anything else.

Wanna move product? Look how fast 73' sold.

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I would love BTK's 69 box!!!

On a side note, still looking at glass bongs, chillums, and recently where to buy some b l o n d e h a s h.

Wow what I paid $60/ounce for decades ago, now is $369. Guess that makes sense due to mandatory inflation built into the system. But online they have some incredible sales. Wonder how safe to buy? Just not sure...

Thanks Jim, it is good to be posting more. I am like a lot of others, only post on a fraction of what I see. So many around here are deep officianados in music, dead and other, smoke, smoke systems, etc. What a great place to learn and be lead from darkness to light!

Already sold out 3 more shows at Red Rocks. That takes them to around (havent checked) 69 sold out shows in a row. Just amazing. Cant remember actual capacity of RR, but think around 10,000 maniacs. They have held the record for a long time, and just keeping adding sold out shows. Can they ever be caught?

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HDTV resolution is really, for simplicity sake, just a difference in the number of lines making up the picture, or the total number of pixels making up the picture - DVD has 480 lines of resolution, Blu-Ray has 1080 lines, and “4K” has 2160 lines. More lines should make a smoother picture, but at some point your eyes become the limiting factor as at a certain distance you can’t distinguish between 1080 lines and 2160 lines The closer you are to the screen, the more noticeable the difference will be, the bigger the screen the more noticeable the difference will be. Think of pictures in newspapers in newsprint - at a small scale and from a reasonable distance the picture looks smooth, like a photo print, and you can’t distinguish the individual dots that actually make up the picture. But if you get close to the picture, or blow it up to a larger size with the same number of dots making up the picture, the picture starts to look more like a collection of dots and less like a photo. The more dots you have to make up the picture, the larger you can expand the picture, and the closer you can get without your eyes noticing the individual dots, like a pointillist painting.

The real advantage of the HDTV and now the HDR feature is the incredible color array. Your HDTV can image an immensely greater color range than your old color TV, even if it was a Sony Trinitron, and you can see fantastic color from any distance.

If a new player doesn’t work with your DVD’s you might want to see if there is a firmware update, since as noted, everything has a chip. I got a new CD player in the last couple years and it initially had trouble playing some of the usual suspects (DaP28, cough) and after a simple firmware update the same player has played everything flawlessly. Knock on wood.

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WsP hit 67 last year. So #70 just topped. That is a lot of shows.

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No box in June, I guess..

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As an aside, 30+7 years ago now would have entering parking lot at Ventura's County Fair grounds. Really nice Sunday afternoon show.

This was 2+ hours ago, try again

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Charlie with the firmware reminder.
Yes, often overlooked.
Why?
Because we don’t read the manual.

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At the end of today’s Bulletin:

“Not to mention 6/20/80 in Anchorage”

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So icecrmcnkd mentioned "an Oakland '91 box" (I believe as a nice-to-have, and not a rumored release) and I'm assuming this was a reference to the October run. But in '91 there's also the three-night midweek stand at Oakland in February, as well as the final NYE run. And despite the NYE run being the last such event, I rarely play any of those shows, whereas I do include 2/21/91 in my rotation as well as 2/20 sometimes (which has Olatunji, and a massively long set II. 2/19 ofc is famous for the NSB breakout after 20 years...)

Just wondering if anyone else has thoughts on this. It seems like an eleven-night box from 1991 is too big, and even seven nights is probably too many given that the MSG box set has struggled to sell. As well, if they're really going to do a '91 box, Summer is probably the sweet spot for really consistent, high-intensity shows. Worth pointing out, too, that Bruce Hornsby didn't come out for either February or December. But the thought of wrapping up a year of Oakland in one package seemed interesting... for example, I could also see "best 2 of out of 3 or 4 nights" working, with Halloween as the centerpiece.

Seems unlikely in any case, but I saw a lot of 1991, so it intrigues me strangely...

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That’s what I want.
Don’t know if it’s doable because of guests.

It’s not just MSG, STL Box is still available too.
That’s why a ‘91 Box is needed, helps span the years ‘71, ‘81, ‘91.

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Heard that a while ago on discs from my man Craig

They didn't seem that great

I loaned them to a former coworker and away they went after I abruptly left that gig.

A Full Norman of the run I am certain would bring out the shows' charms

:)))

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54 years ago today the Grateful Dead released Working man's Dead. My favorite Dead album, in fact I think its the greatest record of all time. An absolute masterpiece.

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i know its about the the music, but just got new JGB 2/13/76 and so glad they have an actual art direction that fits the music.

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Set lists

Same after same

Observation not a gripe

"Yeah, the boy can play"

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39 years ago this weekend( along with a lot of other great people who post here on this forum) I was up in Berkeley at the Greek Theatre having an absolute blast with the Good old Grateful Dead. Killer shows, lets get that complete Greek Box Set out there. Stopped at Everett & Jones Bbq on the way home.. Big fun!

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....has been paying attention to the D&C Sphere posters.
All incredibly incredible.
So incredible. They deserve a rare double post lol.

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First off, DaP 50. 5/3 solid, 5/4 bonus material looks great on paper but not my favorite '77 show. Jer sounds a little tired and more interested in playing than singing but rallies for Comes a Time.

Regarding the new JGB, anyone else notice the absurd amount of screams (same one or two guys) recorded on Keystone 2/13/76? Absolutely ruins TLEO and badly dings a couple other tracks. I'm all for hearing it like it was and all but I would also be ok with someone cleaning that crap out of the recordings. It's one thing when fans are into it, another when the screamers seem to be purposely and aggressively inserting themselves into the scene in quiet moments.

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Didn't know they had this one, but George Strait last night had 110,905 paying ticketholders at his show at Texas A&M's football stadium, breaking a record for single concert attendance held by the Grateful Dead for Englishtown 9/3/77, which had 107, 019. Don't see anybody ever coming close to breaking the Watkins Glen record.

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Gotcha icecrmcnkd - and good point, I forgot about Gary Duncan being there on Halloween. And Santana on the 27th. Were there others...? Anyway, that would complicate licensing.

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Right on BTK!!! This iconic west coast venue deserves special recognition (IMO) .... A Greek Box is way over due! Selfishly, 82-87 please!!! With special recognition for the Fri 13th Dark Star in 84..... Unquestionably some of the best times of my life .....tcc

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This is how I interpret the sounds on New Jerry.

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49 years ago today, I was up in the balcony at Winterland having a fantastic night with the Good old Grateful Dead. It was a memorial concert for Bob Fried the poster artist. The advertisement listed Keith & Donna Band, Kingfish, and Jerry Garcia and friends. Kingfish blew the roof off the joint they were fantastic. Then out came the Dead to be introduced by Bill Graham, the place was electric. They opened with Crazy Fingers , still my favorite version. What an absolute knockckout of a night. Fun times!

After what Jonathan said I decided to check my DVD’s in my new 4K player.
So far DVD’s 1-3 played fine, no issues.
The video quality is far better than on the DVD player I originally had 10+ years ago. So, thumbs up to upconverting.

Decided to spin the 6-17-91 Blu-ray tonight since it’s the anniversary.
Looks good and sounds good.

More video please Dave.

Oh man.. it almost hurts to read some of the gems you got to see.

Glad you were there, glad you remember so much. If I could go back in time I would live vicariously through your eyes and know I have lived a life fulfilled. Holy smokes, some truly special shows. Thanks for sharing.

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I gave it an archive listen this evening

Yummy

Thank you for the reference BTK

You were there? The envy is all mine

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Disc 1 skipped from track 3 onwards. The further it went, the worse it got and at least the last half was totally unlistenable.

Today a replacement disc arrived and it plays through without a single skip. It's great to finally hear it as it's a fine first set.

Big thanks to MaryE and Mac for sorting it out and getting the replacement disc to me.

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Only posting the following comment at this thread as someone earlier here noted a wish to officially put out a certain show with a dash of AI magic to remove 1 particular screamer in the audience. Well, unfortunately that would've also been welcome with the new JGB vol 21 release.

There's 1 guy who makes the same sound over & over again that sounds like a Neanderthal being caught off guard by some animal ramming him in the nuts. It's more off putting in that this gig is super chill. So he bellows time & again at the most unusual quiet times of a beautiful harmony with Donna Jean or Jer's sweet, slow picking.

Putting aside our Neanderthal in the crowd, some may see this slowed down tempo as plodding. I tend to hear it as adding some more sweetness if you know what I mean.

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blech and blech again

Radio version of 6 19 76

between songs some yutz

"AYAYAYAYAYAYAAA!!!"

repeat frequently

And then theres 6 28 85

And 1 21 71

And

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That's great to hear @Simonrob - last year at about this time, those two esteemed personages + Mr. Dave Lemieux himself were rescuing me from the saga of my twice-stolen Dave's 46. Mac finally put a copy into a mailer and shipped it to me himself. Got it just after the 4th of July.

and @Proudfoot I was in the same spot, had to listen to some '91 after all this discussion. I just got done with 8/16/91. But now I need to get out that Giants Stadium box and go back two months farther...

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