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Not sure why you would blame ‘the organization’ because your new dvd player doesn’t work.

Last time I remember seeing a post from him her they was during covid

check out 11/23/79

like a fresh box of Krispy Kremes

Jonathan. Maybe worth goggling how to make your dvd player multi region

First guitar shredder? Interesting question. Django's probably as good an answer as any, at least as far as the jazz/blues tradition goes.

My sense of it is that in most American jazz groups, guitar was a rhythm instrument until people started playing electric. Prior to that point, it was pretty hard for guitar players to make single note solos heard over the sound of a big band, which was the preferred format for dancing, drinking, and carrying on in the states. There might've been guys playing in smaller combos like Django had and shredding away like John McLaughlin way back years before guitars got electrified, probably were in fact, but I don't know of any recordings,. Maybe somebody can enlighten us?

And there's also flamenco. I know nothing about that genre, but I do know those guys can shred. And that tradition goes back to when Christ was a pup.

Regardless, Django's a hoot. I don't listen to him as much as I do Charlie Christian, but I probably should.

What's in the box? I'm rooting for some '60s, but more or less resigned to the notion that we're probably getting the weird half baked Alaska thing that that's been rumored. That's just such a weird idea I can't imagine anybody making it up.

Bongs? Brings back some memories. But I can't really do 'em no more. The weed got stronger and I grew more feeble, is what it is. A couple hits off the pipe will do me fine, thank ye. But you shoulda seen me

Like the post OC. I am getting closer to where you and TnJohn (Bertha pipe) are. Does suck getting older. Had to admit to my doc last week that i have had some shortness of breath issues. They pop up and then go away. Right now seems it has to do with the very high pollen counts the south gets. She is a fertile territory. But in the interim, been shopping for the perfect glass bong. Dont know to buy locally or on web, just started after all this talk.

Hard to believe this time 37 years ago, was getting ready for a Friday night "A swell dance concert" at the Ventura County fairgrounds. What an incredible place to see them. I am guessing for three shows audience attendance was only 16,500. My favorite venue to see them. Just great scenery, a laid back area, and plenty of freaked out heads.

I blamed the organization because their product dosen't work when it should.

And no, I shouldn't have to do anything to a dvd player that I bought to play dvd's. That's silly.

some of ya'll are smoked up, and not in a good way

Thank you, for the smart-ass answers

Sorry if I offended
Just trying to be helpful
No worries

Are dead.net DVDs region-free? Most DVD players are not. It can be very frustrating.

There was lotsa' pre-Django guitar; for starters, check out Carl Kress by himself, or his duets with Dick McDonough; also: Eddie Lang, with violinist Joe Venuti; Oscar Aleman, who recorded Russian Lullaby which greatly influenced Jerry.

Region issues first thing I thought…
Long shot: is it a Bluray only? Look for the official DVD logo on the unit. I’ve not heard of a player that only plays Bluray, but at some point it wouldn’t surprise me.
Does it play any/all of your other discs?
If it does, then it’s not the player.
If it doesn’t, try poking around the set up menu to see if somethings weird.
Also, try to look on line to see if anyone is discussing issues with that model, and/or call tech support etc…
No, you shouldn’t have to do anything, but unfortunately this is the world we live in…government sanctioned, legalized stealing all gussied up in a bow called “capitalism”

Hey, did you like those early 73?

Edit. ;)

Thank you guys!

Oro, I can't get enough of them early 73!!!

I'll have to rank em

I have been looking at glass bongs, but I am a bull in a china shop. Thought about buying smaller/least expensive. Was wondering if anyone here would know this answer. If I tend to break stuff, can you wrap a glass bong with Duck Tape to keep it from breaking?

The old saying, if you cant duct it, f*ck it.

I used to smoke bongs but while travelling around south India I got a local artisan to make me a few chillums and I never looked back. Subsequently COPD put an end to all smoking but it was good while it lasted.

Sir, What is a chillum?

And what is the edible scene your way? Bet incredible...

Wow, forgot about our space cake discussion we had so many years ago.

A traditional chillum is a straight conical smoking pipe typically made from clay. It has a rich history, particularly in India, where it was widely used in the 18th century and continues to be used, often for smoking marijuana. A small stone is commonly used as a stopper in the stem to prevent the smoking material from entering the mouth.

Google 'traditional chillum' then select images.

found a nice page called 420 science. Has some nice documentation and pictures. Thanks

I take it your at least still eating a healthy portion of space cake or an edible every so often?

Probably asleep by now...

The modern-day 'western' chillum is typically made of glass and can probably be found in head shops all over America. Possibly Dennis knows more about this.

As pictures can't be posted here, tomorrow I will mail you a photo of my south Indian chillums.

It's only 10.25pm here. The night is still young.

Niiiice!

GD DVD’s are NTSC.
About 10 years ago, maybe more, I got a Philips region-free DVD player because I had a bunch of PAL DVD’s that I couldn’t play. Works great.
Blu-ray’s don’t have regions as far as I know, but Blu-ray players are not region free for DVD’s, which is ridiculous. Just make a player that plays everything.

The quiz had 3 bus photos and a car photo that included a VW van. I selected all 4 ‘buses’ and passed the quiz.

Hey rockers!!

For anbody interested----and even for those who aren't----the esteemed Mr Miller has just put out an upgrade of the super fine 11/7/71 Harding Theater show. If you've never heard it---and even if you have---always worth a listen!!

Music is given to us with the sole purpose of establishing an order in things, including, and particularly, the coordination between man and time.....

Rock on!!!!

Doc
To listen is an effort, and just to hear is no merit. A duck hears also.....

DP12 vinyl.
Supposed to only be 3000 copies.

DaP 46-50 also still available, as are several vinyl releases.

Did the resellers stop buying because of last year’s new tax law?

I think number 49 has sold out now..

BluRay discs and players are region coded:

Region A: North America, South America, U.S. Territories, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and other areas of Southeast Asia.
Region B: Europe, Africa, Middle East, Australia, and New Zealand.
Region C: Asia (except for Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and other areas of Southeast Asia)

Edit: I should have said ‘can be’ since BluRay and DVD can be region free if they want to.

I have one here, 4K Ultra HD that won't play because my recorder isn't designed to play such things. I had no idea when I bought this recorder 18 months ago - I just assumed it would play any blu ray discs that are commonly available. So yes, why can't they just make ones that play everything, so you don't have to do so much research before buying. You have to make sure that what you are buying is " right for you" these days.

I bough one a while ago when on sale. That model was being discontinued because it didn’t have Bluetooth, which I don’t need in a player, and the price was a lot less than the equivalent model that did have Bluetooth.
The only 4K Blu-ray I have is Bowie’s Moonage Daydream.

#49 is still available Danehead.

Cnkd - would you say it was worth it, just going off Moonage Daydream? I suppose you may not have seen the non4K version, which seems pretty good to me. I was tempted by the reviews of a film called "Last Night In SoHo", which is apparently much better in 4K - although considerably more expensive. Again, I am quite satisfied with the non 4K version - apart from a sense of dissatisfaction I now have about having purchased a supposedly inferior version.

Because Moonage Daydream uses grainy film footage from the 70’s there really was no point in making a 4K version because it’s still grainy. Although I haven’t compared to the Blu-ray, which might be even more grainy.
The 4K disc came with the Blu-ray disc for only $1 more than just buying the Blu-ray disc. So I opted for the 2 disc version so I could try out my new player.

....hard pass on that one.

One would think they'd take a hard pass on playing in a place where people can see Henley lip-synching more obviously on a giant screen the size of the building. I'm of the same opinion on the Eagles as The Dude, whether it gets me kicked out of a cab or not.

Speaking of scams, 4K seems like a fresh rehash of upscaling from VHS to DVD and from DVD to BluRay, but without the comprehension that stuff filmed in the 30s-70s or even 80s and 90s may not transfer well to a higher form of media. Like a concert film/documentary from the 70s. It's just a big cash grab. Luckily, there are some releases where they add the 4K disc for a buck or so as icecreamkid mentioned. Others it's a straight rip off. And on Amazon there are plenty of complaints from purchasers of 4K discs who didn't have the right player or TV to actually decode the tech. Such is life in a world where profit seems to rule to the detriment of all else. And look at that, we're right back on topic with the Eagles again.

If you can't tell, I really despise Henley and Frey. Kinda feel bad for Joe Walsh and Vince Gill...

He peed on my rug. Have that on my summer watch list.

Right now, making my way through Band of Brothers.

Cnkd and Alvar - cheers. You make 4K blu ray discs seem a bit like the emperors new clothes. Maybe 1970's films aren't the right things to demonstrate how good they are - something made more recently may be a bit more dazzling. But how dazzled do you really need to be?
That David Bowie final Ziggy concert was always a poor picture. I keep meaning to buy the latest version, which includes footage of Jeff Beck, but after over 50 years, my enthusiasm has waned a bit.

....Godzilla Zero One is on Netflix.
Must watch imo. Even the wife liked it, and that's saying a lot.

Looking online 35mm film has an equivalent resolution of around 5.6k. So more than 4k. So 35mm and 70mm films, properly transferred, should look better on 4k screens and players than on standard Bluray. A problem with some ‘70’s programs/shows is that they were recorded direct to video tape which has inherently poor resolution. This is why programmes like ‘Mork and Mindy’ or ‘Soap’ look terrible on big screens. I have no first hand experience of this because I don’t have a 4k player or television but when my current kit dies I will certainly get them, unless 8k becomes more than a niche product.

Like vinyl, digital etc, can be good IF done right.
With 4K that means watching on a extra large screen, sitting closer than might be comfortable, and with all other gear with proper settings etc, AND, (this is the big caveat) with good, properly done source material!!
8Ks even worse in that regard.
For most folks and on the majority of TVs, in the “average” household viewing situation, they aren’t going to see a big, if even noticeable difference.
But like anything else, if done properly on a big system it can be good.

Edit: note, similar fuckery happens sometimes with High Res Music: they just copy lower resolution source to Hi res file, not cool Kyle, not cool!
Always check the lineage/source when purchasing anything “upconverted” or legacy source material that’s rehashed on a higher resolution format!

This is also one reason why many early CDs sound like crap and gave digital a bad name. They didn’t use the original higher res source masters, that and conversion (Analog to digital etc). Fortunately, digital, especially conversion and DACs have come a long way and if done right can be amazing!

I figured the original source film might be adaptable to upscaling, but you'd have to find the master print. Somehow Criterion Collection found a much better print of Seven Samurai between their first DVD version and the 3 DVD version about 15 years later. That transfer was very much welcomed. I just wonder how many of the 4K transfers are finding master prints to put the work into. Sort of like Plangent has been used on a couple of Dave's if I'm not mistaken, and they probably needed it, if they went through the extra time and expense. But if they tried Plangent on a 4th generation Reel, it's akin to polishing a turd. I could see there being wildly mixed results. I'm okay with the dvds and BluRays I have of Lawrence of Arabia and other epics. If Terrence Malick movies look decent on my screen, I'm definitely good. Which reminds me, Malick released The Voyage of Time in 2016, and it's never had a physical media release in the US, so I had to order a German copy, and it did not play in my Region Free player, so had a buddy rip it for me. That made me think about getting yet another BluRay player. That cycle, she's vicious!

Thanks for all the thoughts and info on dvd players. Really appreciate it.

I was frustrated that all my dvd's played but my veiw from vaults would only produce picture but no sound. And strangely enough, when I hit fast foward it would play the audio at that speed??

Anyhow, I understand some folks having a preference for something different in a dvd player, all though, admittedly, I don't know what!!!

I'm lost on it, personally

I guess my point is, to me, this is apperas to be a tatic to make folks repurchase things. Even though nothing is avalible but youtube, which has some decent audio but I would have liked the dvd's to work that I bought.

Thanks again, gang

My GD Movie blu-ray and Giants box blu-ray, both play and sound fantastic!!

Heres to hoping the Winterland 1974 stuff comes out someday

My understanding, and I haven't spent as much time on it as conekid, daverock, etc.

4k has more to do with size. Isn't it always. That is when you have a 40" hdtv that is all you need is an hdtv. When you move to 55" - 85" (if there is one), you need 4k. When you move to a 90" or above you need 8k. That is, the larger the screen the more you need tight pixelization (new word?). They have been trying to push for 8k tv's for a couple of years now. But if you have a smaller screen you dont need more definition as it is baked in. There is but scant true 4k content and yet to date I have not seen an 8k production to date, but I am not looking much.

So 35mm film can transfer to much lager screens. Forty something years ago I was working at a movie theater and they showed Raiders of the Lost Ark in 70mm. The film was shot in 70mm, one of few. The theater was the only 70mm theater in a 500 mile radius. We had tourists come to watch in 70mm, and I mean it ran for like 6 months. Tourist travel was shocking. Definition so good you can see Harrison Ford eat the fly in that scene. I can only imagine how good that movie will look in 4k and 8k.

Mileage may vary, I aint no expert.

Edit: forty something years ago

what oro and colin said, was away from computer a while.

Bought 65" samsung 4k television on 2020-02-01, arrived that valentine's day. Covid hit and i am immunocompromised due to appendix rupture. So the tv still sits in its box waiting for a friend to come by and help me with it. Hopefully up and running within the next month. I bought it before i truly understood how the makers of tv always have to get to buy the next thing before the next thing is fully realized. Fortunately I got a steal(y) on it, tv, tax, and shipping was $625. Of course any warranty would be almost gone. So I might have an expensive 60 pound box in my house.

or shopping for chillum

10/31/69, 6/27 & 28 69 4/5 & 6/69, 5/30/69, makes for a mighty fine box set. Apparently Dave said they decide what these box sets are going to be 2 or 3 years in advance.

Jonathan, ok, now we’re getting good intel, I.e., video good but audio not.
Check out both the audio settings on the DVD and the player, sounds like something not synced right. Also, try the ole hard boot: (with the volume down, ahem) pull the plug on the player…wait a minute, then plug back in, hey, EVERYTHING has micro processing now! Then turn volume up to check.
Guessing a disc setting since your other discs are ok…?

Gary - you know more than me about all this. I didn't know that you needed a bigger screen to get full advantage of 4K 8K etc. I think I need a bigger house. One without a neighbour attached.

Dave when you retire

Hire Billytk as your successor

Big ol' box set o" GD69!!!!!!

as said by MPFC,

"GET ON WITH IT!!!"

Of course I would buy it.

I was amazed years ago when I got my first Blu-ray player and it made my GD DVD’s look better compared to my DVD player.
My 4K UHD player is supposed to up convert Blu-ray but I haven’t tried it yet. I actually still use my older Onkyo Blu-ray player which is part of an Onkyo 5.1 surround system.
I bought the Panasonic 4K UHD player because the price was slashed due to it not having Bluetooth.
Funny though, the menu screen is super basic, similar to early DVD players.

I need to check my VFTV DVD’s on the Panasonic to see if they work. Maybe Jonathan discovered that old DVD audio formats aren’t supported by modern players.

BluRay 4k is like the Lorax and the Thneeds. I have a high-def player I bought with the two concert high-def DVD's made at the same time. Exactly six hours later, BluRay came out and it crapped all over my high def party. Right now, they will only play in my 1958 Ford Edsel (which can also play my Betamax Grateful Dead Movie). With digital technology where it is and storage as cheap as it is.. is it really that hard to standardize the exactly perfect technology and do it in such a way that the manufacturers and music industry fall in line? Perhaps that's a heavy lift.

As Proudfoot would say, grumplestillskin I am. Rant over, actually not grumpy but I get what y'all are saying.

On a side tangent, enjoy having gfar back in the mix. Gone for a bit but back again. Enjoying all the banter, especially from old friends.