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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #601
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    It does look quite wild. Just been reading about it online- apparently it was last show by the original Experience. Looks like the whole set is on youtube, too.

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    Fortunately for sis she was nowhere near the stage for the Denver Pop Festival as that's where the teargas was aimed apparently as the riot ensued. But just look at Jimi's setlist for that show (Sunday, June 29). A greatest hits list with Voodoo Chile > Slight Return as the closer. I'm sure I've heard part of that show somewhere and Jimi liked to talk a lot between songs as I recall.
    Cheers

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    girl in the yellow underwear?

    1stshow - it would have been something if Hendrix had dedicated Foxy Lady to your sister ! Meant respectfully, of course. To have seen Hendrix live must have been magical.

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    I Had It Wrong

    She wasn't in S.F. until '75-'76.
    Could have seen the early post-hiatus though if she had the mind to.
    Still hasn't answered me on the 1970 archive listen.
    Happy solstice tomorrow.
    Cheers
    Edit: She loved it, she says! Said it brought her right back to standing there right in front of Bob. I'm guessing Bob noticed her as she was a cute (hard to ignore) teenager with long blond hair.

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    8/28/81: on a job etc, so didn’t get the best listen, but seemed like a fine show!
    Interesting second set!

    Yeah DV I’m about ready to give that box a spin, or at least 81 and/or 82 as I hit the 83s recently.
    Just need to make it through the rest of the year…hopefully then I’ll have some more GD time.
    Yep, you’d think sales might have an impact on what comes out?
    Like how we haven’t had an 89 (cept Giants maybe?) since that overpriced JFK measly 2 show box…
    Still sitting on those awesome fall 89 (think spring 90 quality) multitracks…

    1stshow: Doah, picture palm to forehead: living in the promised land in 72 and no shows?
    The HORROR! Say it isn’t so, ; ) LOL she did seem some great stuff though!

    Glad Jim’s back from the Dead, or is it back to the Dead ; ) lol

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    Good to see you back Jim. Those flu bugs can be a bitch.

    Love that MSG Box. Hope it sells out at some point. I think it is better for us if these sell out rather than sitting around for years.

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    Sis did go to the archive and listen to her show. No response yet on her review but she gets busy and I don't hear from her much. She did tell me she was right up front crushed into place right in front of Bob Weir. There was a jug of Kool-aid being passed around but since she was already dosed she did not partake. She also got to see The Who and Jethro Tull in 1970 at that short lived venue. And she was at the Sunday show in 1969 of the Denver Pop Festival featuring Hendrix as the headliner. Pretty impressive rock concert resume for a high school kid. Then she moved to S.F., CA to do the hippy thing but says she did not remember going to shows in the couple of years she was there. Can you imagine? 1975-76 in S.F. and you didn't go to any shows? Aw, sis!
    Cheers

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    Been away for a bit. Had the flu for the first time since the 90's, the shot did not work for me this year. Boy am I glad to have that behind me!

    Funny 81 and the MSG box get mentioned here. Right before the plague found me, I hit up the MSG box in backwards order, starting with 83 and ending with 81. 3/9/81 is still my favorite in the box. The China Rider, for example, is creative and extremely high energy.. especially that thump at the end as Sampson starts. And what about those aliens at the end of Half-Step in the 83 show? Performance Art to be sure.

    Dave's 20? It's ok, enjoyable.. it's light on the x factor though, at least to my years. Glad it came out but I agree with Oro.

    One of the first shows I offered up on Pick of the Day was 8/12/81 at the Salt Palace in Salt Lake City. I don't think the entire thing circulates in soundboard, but the parts that do are well recorded for the era. A nice little show. 81 is an interesting year, I can't seem to put my thumb on what it is.. they are a little all over the place but when they shine, they shine. 81 and 82 are the last years where Jerry still had a bit of youthful spirit in his voice. By 83, the gargoyles and gravel gremlins began to set up camp in his voicebox.

    An oddity and certainly not a high-water mark for the year is the Cole Field House show in College Park, MD. No Terrapin at the house of the Terrapins that night, somebody forgot to send the memo. Still, an oddity simply because it has to be the loudest, acousticly terrible venue they played at that year and the tapes seem to support this premise. It came a little more than six months before my first show, I wish I was there to hear what the tapes do little justice in recreating.

    That's all I have. I feel a post flu nap coming on.

    Keep on kepping on guys, great stuff Tripple, Oro and others.

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    Uncle T?

    Here’s some other fine 81 shows you should check out if you haven’t.
    9/12/81 the whole Greek run is good
    12/3/81
    12/6/81
    12/7/81
    3/7/81
    3/23&24/81
    3/13/81
    Stanley shows are good

    I’m extremely biased but I’ve always thought 5/17 and 9/26 were release worthy!
    5/17 gets overlooked because of SB BS, but there are some hot Auds and this show is almost better via aud!
    I was in the 3rd row, JG was trying out the new McIntosh MC2500 amp, and he was screaming loud lol.
    He just rips the whole show!
    Had a final the next day and my ears were still ringing so bad I couldn’t hear the profs instructions lol

    There must be something more than my bias about 9/26 because Dave has played it in various places a lot over the years…

    All those December shows are hot and in mho better than DaP 20. 20s good, but I think all the others are better, especially Indianapolis.
    I started doing E fall 81 but didn’t finish, need to hit that tour up sometime, think I’ve hit most of the spring one?

    ISTSHOW: curious if your sis checked out the archive and what she thought etc?

    Edit: checked out the 9/25/81 show and dug it. I didn’t go with the CM dissed version but I want to see how bad it gets when I have more time lol

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    now that was fun, got to say my 1981 tour last week really reinvigorated me, went to some mystic places I hadn’t been before, and heard some great passages that no deadhead should miss. I went on this tour because, after watching you toob [dreams we dreamed] He’s Gone: A Tribute to Brent, it was time to listen more carefully, and yes it was very well spent ‘Good Times’. What initially started as six shows, well, you know how it is when you’re on tour lol, ended in 10 shows…and when you get confused, just listen to Jerry play…I decided on these shows as I had never listened to 9 of them.

    Here’s my tour list with archive identifier in case you need some ’81 in your life; great playing, awesome vocals, some far-out space, and some surprising jams that sometimes aren’t listed in the set lists of compendium’s, etc…
    12/26 Oakland #84265
    9/25 Stabler Arena @ Lehigh #148686
    12/5 Indy #111784
    8/28 Long Beach #113680
    9/30 Edinburgh #151109
    5/15 Rutgers #95751
    9/26 Buffalo #18110
    5/2 Phila #30152 [I attended this one]
    5/17 was the only partial show Set 2 of Onondaga #112865
    After 9 shows, I just couldn’t pass up listening to 5/16 Barton Hall #30647 (I don’t own 30 Trips box, so this was a 1st listen for me, and what a Shakedown.

    All these shows are SDB’s with many having audience patches, that’s always just been a part of that taping hierarchy I guess, so it’s the GD warts and all.

    and get back truckin' on, hey now get back truckin' home!
    Peace All!
    uncle_tripel

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 05/14/2024 - 17:11

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Oberon.

Having one now.

Cheers DV.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 05/15/2024 - 05:08

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Morning, rockers!!

I had something very different written, but got Hey Now'ed. Numerous times. Can I please apply for an exemption?

All I can say is, May 15 1970. Let it elevate you!

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I was going to start on these shows today, but I began with 5/13/74 on Monday, completely forgetting that it was a show that lasted over three days. There's always tomorrow. Hopefully.

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Wed, 05/15/2024 - 10:55

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A true heavy weight champion of a show. I'm. happy I got the bonus disc. The Dead at their best.

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 05/15/2024 - 14:13

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We are used to it now, but I sometimes wonder if it threw people a bit when The Dead came out and played an acoustic set in 1969-1970. People who saw them couldn't have been as aware of what they were up to until they actually saw them, communications being what they were. I can't imagine the Jimi Hendrix Experience or Cream coming out and playing an acoustic set.
The Stones played a few acoustic songs live in 1969 - but only two as far as I am aware, not a whole set.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 05/20/2024 - 08:24

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Really enjoyed this show. Anyone else listen to it recently? The Uncle John's Band, Wharf Rat, Dark Star are the highlights of the show for me. Such good energy and man they are on fire.

Decided to keep the ball rolling with the Lyceum shows with 5/23/72.

Hope all is well out there.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Mon, 05/20/2024 - 10:46

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Yes!!! The 4 Lyceum shows are all top notch. 5/23 really fine, 5/26 one of my all time favorites!

Enjoy, and rock on!

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Gave it a spin this past weekend.

Planning on spinning the rest of Lyceum vinyl this coming 3-day weekend, as well as my DP12 vinyl that is supposed to arrive Friday.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 05/20/2024 - 13:13

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Holy cow. There's serious music everywhere you look.

... and I have the last show left.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 05/23/2024 - 14:01

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Hey Jim, yes, love these four shows. No Vinyl for me, but I have the steamer trunk.

Still need to listen to 5/24 and yes 5/26.

Needed a diversation today, so I went with 4/27/85 from #49. What a great release.

Hey OB, how is everything going?

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 05/25/2024 - 09:04

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Gave the vinyl a spin last night. Sounded grate.
Now about to brew my second cup of super dark roast Columbian Supremo.
I plan on roasting some beans this weekend, among other things, like spinning some more Lyceum vinyl.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sun, 05/26/2024 - 06:29

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Yo, rockers!!!

For goodness sake, what else would I be listening to?

May 26, 1972. An all time favorite, the last show of a fabulous tour, the last truly classic show with Pigpen. The E72 cuts from this show were truly part of the soundtrack of our young lives. And still are.........

Who hears music feels his solitude peopled at once.......

Rock on, my friends!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sat, 06/01/2024 - 16:01

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Alright, we made it to June!

Any picks out there?

Might have to check out 3/22/90.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 06/03/2024 - 04:35

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and since it's June..

It's been a while since I have listened to Road Trips Vol 4 no 5, June 9, 1976 at the Boston Music Hall.

It's funny, I was not a huge fan of the Road Trips series in general, but by the time this one rolled around I has warmed up on it tremendously. They were doing more complete shows by then and collectively I realized there were some monumental shows released as Road Trips. By the time I began to enthusiastically embrace the idea it got kiboshed. Go figure.

Or as Yoda was found of saying, Late to the Party, I am.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 06/03/2024 - 06:10

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This sounds good for my Monday Jim.

Our second taste of this tour, with the download series being the first.

This was the only year this released five from this series. Maybe this was supposed to be 5.1 before they decided to cancel this series and go to Dave's Picks.

Definitely an underrated series Jim.

Hope we are due for another 76 release soon.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 06/03/2024 - 16:00

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Just started 6-10 in the car tonight.
A June 76 TOO Box would be grate. Give us the remaining shows.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 06/03/2024 - 20:21

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Seventy Sixtus would be proud.

I didn't quite make it to the end. Distractions abound. There's always tomorrow.

After I catch up, and with all the '74 hype, I'm tempted to dig deep into something from that year I have not heard in a while. Any suggestions? Something off the beaten path from a year that is pretty well paved. Maybe a complete, under the radar shows from the October Winterland run or Roanoke or something else that just hasn't percolated lately?

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 06/04/2024 - 06:04

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This show might be the best of this run. Haven't listened to it in a couple years. Great first set, love that long Crazy Fingers and the second set with the St.Stephen Eyes all the way through the Franklins is a fun ride.

Thanks for the pick Jim.

74 sounds good to me. Can't remember if I have ever heard the Roanoke show.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 06/04/2024 - 16:29

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Playing now.

June 1976 TOO Box - the remainder of the month, let’s have it in 2026 Dave.

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 06/05/2024 - 10:58

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I am really enjoying this show, too. Completely off my radar until I foraged it out again yesterday. I would but a June 76 box in a shot.

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Submitted by bigbrownie on Thu, 06/06/2024 - 19:07

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Going in with some red congolese... and Koyaanisquatsi on the vid. Lord have mercy.

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Submitted by sw@sherryjerry on Thu, 06/06/2024 - 22:21

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I'd love to hear doin that rag June 8th at the sphere in VEGAS BABY

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 06/12/2024 - 17:44

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4-20-84
It’s a DaP.
Started playing in the car yesterday, set 2 started tonight driving home, get the transition to Fire tomorrow morning as I head back to work.

Thanks for the pick Conekid. Will fire it up tomorrow morning.

Then, will have to check out the new Miller via Doc 11/7/71.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 06/13/2024 - 07:20

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Enjoyed that recently as part of my run through the spring tour.
Better than one might think…
Think I’m all the way up to summer tour which I’ll start soon…
Have also hit a lot of 94 summer tour, the rest of 79 I hadn’t hit yet (except 2 or 3), and a few missing 89 (think I only have December left), and I’ve completed all 69 up to September (did not do most of the Auds), and an occasional 74.
ONWARD!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 06/13/2024 - 16:42

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If those cassettes could be cleaned up the way 4-27,28-85 just was….

Ooooh……mmmmm….(drool, drool)….

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 06/13/2024 - 16:50

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I did this one recently too, about the same time I last ran in and out of the Garden box. I also hit Philly 83 and Boise mixed in for good measure. Plus, I continue to revisit the Giants box, which keeps on giving it up and sounds fantastic.

I will hit 4/20 again though after I rest my bones and get some laundry done.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I will risk it all. Weed clones for One Thousand, Alex.

I see a comparison of 80's GD to dynamite sativa, 70's GD to trippy Indica and 67 through mid 70 to a really good hybrid. Hope I did not offend anyone.

I like it all, but when I really want to get things done or go for a speed hike, road bike ride or climb a mountain, 80's GD get's me through the pass and home earlier. I have always had a soft spot for 83 through 85. It's raunchy, the mix and clarity vary, and it suffers from over-saturation or sterility from time to time. The cassette master blues.

But it's like a Nirvana tinged GD you can turn up and make it through the day when you have to get shit done and don't really care about anything else except maybe the volume level.

Feel free to whack me down or snap the limb I climbed out on as I tumble down from the tree I just climbed.

the flip side is, when I need to come down off my adrenaline rush, 10/19/73 is a good place to start. That DS>MLB>Morning Dew will cure what ales you.

Summer tour baby.. bring it.

Is a very good show. It makes sense to release them now. We have become more accustomed to cassette masters and this run is as good as most if not any of what has been released lately. Combining this with Hawaii does make a little sense, or as a Dave's Picks.

One thing cone kid said recently was more June 76. Years ago when I listened to all of 76 in sequence the Tower Theatre shows (and I think Beacon) were not the best sound quality. In fact, I believe there were a few where only audience existed. This was probably ten years ago so and I haven't checked for upgrades lately.

Anyway, they have been doing this thing this year on SiriusXM's GD Channel where either Gary Lambert of David Gans does a deep dive into a show for some reason or another and they highlight a few songs for a week with some language on why they are playing and it's importance, quality, etc.

This week Gans has been focusing on one of the Tower Theatre shows and I'll be damned if the sound quality is not supreme, just like the first June 76 box. This is a major upgrade from what I pulled down from the archive all those years ago.

So yea.. 6/20/80 Alaska. Why not I say. Also, I really like the Matrix approach they pulled off with Dave's Picks vol 8. I love that show, another 1980 cassette master matched with a really special audience recording. They pulled it of, I'd hate to think this was a one-off.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 06/14/2024 - 20:10

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Time will tell. Would love to see any 1980 shows out, but, I still have my money on October 74 at Winterland.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 06/14/2024 - 21:40

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Seventy-Four

No argument here.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 06/15/2024 - 09:01

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1976 - 57 REELS

• 06-10-76 Boston MA, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• *06-11-76 Boston MA, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete *= + 1 REEL NOT ON ORIGINAL INVENTORY*
• 06-14-76 NYC, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• 06-15-76 NYC, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• 06-17-76 Passaic NJ, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• 06-18-76 Passaic NJ, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• 06-19-76 Passaic NJ, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• 06-21-76 Philadelphia PA, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• 06-22-76 Philadelphia PA, 5 X 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• 06-23-76 Philadelphia PA, 1 x 7” REEL Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Reel #1
• 06-26-76 Chicago IL, 5 X 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete
• 06-28-76 Chicago IL, 1 X 7” REEL Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Reel #2
• 06-29-76 Chicago IL, 5 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Complete

2026 would be a grate year to release June 1976 The Other One Box.

“HI, I’m butters and I’m…”
But seriously, how come nobody ever includes any of the Orpheum shows when dis using 76 box wishes?

Edit: where does seventy Sixtus stand on this ; ) lol

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Sat, 06/15/2024 - 11:56

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I've mentioned 7/13/76 as a good release lots of times. I was fortunate to have been there.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 06/15/2024 - 12:31

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I’ll take those too.

But my priority show is a Plangentized/Normanized 6-29-76.

6-14-76 playing in the car yesterday and today, and Monday because I’m not done yet.

My favorite ‘76 shows are 6-14, 6-29, 10-9.
Two released so far.

Heard High Time through end of set on cassette one enchanted evening back in the day

Yummy

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sat, 06/15/2024 - 20:01

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That is easy, 12/31, and yes, I am with you on 10/9 and I will add 10/10, both Beacon shows, shit the list is growing. Just wish they played more shows in 76.

Edit. And of course 6/9.

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Submitted by Danehead on Sun, 06/16/2024 - 02:04

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High Time was a bonus cut on DaP 28.. maybe they have the full show..

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sun, 06/16/2024 - 02:50

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Hey rockers and Fathers!!!!!!!!!

LOL yes I have a favorite 76. Rochester. Maybe biased because I was there..........

We were also at Colt Park that Summer, never heard a soundboard of that one, LOL did they forget to record it?????

Also really like 7/18/76. Lord, if it has to be mellow, let it be like this!!

Off to walk dogs and have more coffee, happy Father's Day to all!!!

Rock on,

Doc
Music is the silence between the notes.......

Over last 2 weeks enjoyed several spins of DaP 28 - 6/17/76 Cap Theatre. Long while since i had listened. Hit the '76 sweet spot from opening notes of Cold Rain.

8/2 Colt Park has a funny story (review) on archive where a kid realized that it was his Mom(!) that just walked to the edge of the stage and sat down in front of Keith. Turned out she was friend of Barlow and knew him from Wesleyan. And after he (son) got her attention, Mom got him on stage/backstage too! And he got to sit on the stage rest of first set watching Jerry from 6- 8 ft away.

Agree with ConeKid as to 6/29 (also 6/28) Chicago Auditorium Theatre needs to be released. As Danehead pointed out, 6/28 High Time is filler on DaP 28.

Enjoy the rest of the weekend friends.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 06/16/2024 - 17:09

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Playing now.
Happens to be the anniversary.

The Giants Box is grate.
More video please Dave.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 06/17/2024 - 14:08

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I did a quick revisit of 4/20/84 also and it was enjoyable. The minute I finished this yesterday and walked inside they were playing the Help/Slip!/Franklins from 4/26/83 on SiriusXM, also at the spectrum. So a twofer early 80's spectrum fest. Both shows feature Morning Dews.

Have we done 3/26/73 yet? The night after Dave's Picks vol. 32, also at the Spectrum. It might be worth our time.

Baltimore 73 sounds good to me Jim
These are monster shows. Will get it going tomorrow. Thanks Jim.

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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Tue, 06/18/2024 - 08:42

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Perhaps I am a bit late on this one...but I always love me some 76 discussions, thanks Oro for the tip!
I am wholly on board for more '76 - always.

Given the amazingness of the June 76 Box which of course included 6/11/76, a top-5 all-timer in my books (among others), I would more than welcome a second 76 summer box to round out those Chicago shows as well as Orpheum shows. My top tiers include 6/28 and 7/18 from those runs, as well as 8/4 which has its drum beaten almost monthly by Alvarhanso (with which I totally agree). It is noted there is an flawless YouTube of 8/4 in its entirety which is not to be missed. For sure, 76 has a fond spot in my heart - as I say, the glory and exceptionalism of 1977 had to be birthed somewhere...I say in 76.

Be Well People!
Seventy-Sixtus

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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Tue, 06/18/2024 - 11:42

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I ran through Dick's 20 on Saturday. Very enjoyable.

My listening list has gotten longer not shorter, hmmm.

Guess need to listen more...

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Submitted by Obeah on Tue, 06/18/2024 - 12:24

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That was actually the first '76 show I ever heard. Anyone remember "Thursday Lunch" on KPFK down in Los Angeles? With Uncle Bob Young and Cousin Tom? I tuned in the program late, and the first set was underway, I heard some crowd noise and then Crazy Fingers began. Followed later by Let it Grow->Drums->Let it Grow, Might as Well. I was absolutely spellbound for that Crazy Fingers! I know many say the CF from Boston a month earlier is 'the best' but this is still my go-to, decades later...