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April 6, 2020 - 9:47am

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marye

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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April 24, 2022 - 6:42am

#2301

1stshow70878

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4/24/70 Mammoth Gardens Denver, CO

52 years ago today my older sister, the one who can roll a joint one handed while driving, was at her first (and only?) show and tripping to primal Dead. Trying to find out, as some reviews have said, if this was one show or two. Deadbase lists as two nights with the first night having an acoustic then electric set that ends in Drums, with the second night (4/25/70) being electric starting with Dark Star and going through some grease with Pig's Man's World in there for what seems like a short set list. Was this a rain-out or a curfew? One reviewer said it was one night with a tape cut in Man's World and he likened the sound to being recorded in a bathtub. Not high praise but he did like the primal nature of the beast. Any ideas?
Thanks and cheers
Edit: The notes from the five versions on the Archive seem to indicate one show and there never was a 4/24 show. Looks like the five entries are from only two sources and the others are improved versions. Especially interesting are the citations of a Feeling Groovy and Tighten Up jams in the Dark Star. Gotta give this a go! Now, how do you download from the Archive?
April 23, 2022 - 8:42pm

#2302

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Nightcap

Lol, sorry BC, I was worried my words were not going to be right.
I liked this show, it just made me think, remember, which in itself is ok.
But those were changing times and sometimes there’s residual baggage attached?
And I’m always preaching you shouldn’t compare apples to oranges etc, and so yes, for the time it was a fine show and I enjoyed it, and appreciate being guided to a 94 show that was enjoyable, because unfortunately, not all are as consistent. I’m glad to check out any era as long as the show is up to the standards of said era, actually, I’m pretty game for anything lol. But there can be a difference in consistency and quality between randomly picking say a 77 show or a 94-95 show, the odds that is, no?
I just have the perhaps bad habit by modern standards of critiquing what catches my ear, both good and not so good, but that doesn’t necessarily mean I don’t enjoy the show. That’s why I listen, to see how every show is different, and It’s often easier to pick out the miscues than the subtle golden yummies. Also, I can tell folks often don’t get what I’m trying to get at, but that’s on me I’m sure. But it’s all good and that’s why this here gathering spot is called with discussion!
Oh, same with the guitar thing: it’s not that I don’t like it, I just like it less than others, same with the Travis Beans. It’snot that I don’t like, I just like Tiger more etc. I’ve usually embraced the evolution in the dead’s sounds as the years rolled by, but the industrial later 90s stuff I didn’t like AS much. But it’s grown on me over the years, same with Vince in some ways. Just need more quality exposure. Like an athlete, need more reps etc!

JIM: hang in there amigo, I feel like life’s piling it up a little your way?
Sure don’t need to remind ya: “ if you get confused, listen…”
Another interesting day.
Mañana amigos!

PS, Dooaahh, thanks for correcting my venue information error. I usually check those things but being in a hurry did not. Gotsta keep it real!
April 23, 2022 - 6:53pm

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JimInMD

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4.18 and 4.19

Those two are a package deal.. The Phil Space Extravaganza. Somebody must have put something in his coffee.

I wasn't able to hit 4/18 but I plan to revisit it at some point soon. Nearly stranded in the middle of nowhere today, flat tire and issues that can sometimes come with that. All is good, got a little sunburn but had a great day. No listening though.....
April 23, 2022 - 6:27pm

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bluecrow

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Seattle shows '80 and '94

Oro - those Seattle shows are at 2 different venues, though just blocks apart. Coliseum is indoor, Memorial Stadium is outdoor. I think at that time Memorial Stadium was used primarily for High School football playoffs, it wasn't all that big.

Gonna have to agree to disagree somewhat on the '94 show. I didn't run Set I this time around so need to do that, but I think it's solid good show, esp. given the time period. Scarlet > Fire had that extra juice and, like I said, Jerry's cup runneth over on the Dew. and I can't ask for anything more. You're not the first I've heard by any means who didn't like Jerry's guitar sound at the time. Me? I really liked the sound of Lightning Bolt, which I think Jerry was playing that night. As chance would have it I actually attended the first Lightning Bolt show, which was the Jerry Garcia Band 8/7/93 right there in Memorial Stadium. Also saw the first Lightning Bolt Dead shows, which were later that month in Eugene. Not that I actually knew that he was playing a new guitar, I wasn't that dialed into the equipment. But Jerry's tone in all three shows sounded excellent to me. The JGB show was an afternoon affair and top shelf - release worthy later era JGB in my opinion. I think Jerry enjoyed it so much that that's how the Dead ended up playing the same venue in '94 and '95. Memorial Stadium was probably about as chill a venue as you could have in those last years. My youngest brother was out visiting that month, so backpacking, camping, and music. It was an awesome time.

I'll check out the '83.
April 23, 2022 - 4:54pm

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Oroborous

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Holy shit!

You guys have never heard 4/18/82, especially liking spring 82…blimey!
I haven’t mentioned it because I just assumed, and we all know what happens when we assume, that everyone has heard that one! Well, look at the upside, you guys are in for a treat as the whole show is good, not just the cherry.

6/13/80: good job Senior Wiseman sp? sorry.
Interesting show too. Overall thought it was good, JG seemed to struggle at times and I don’t think I’ve heard him having so many tuning issues since tuners and custom guitars? Perhaps some kind of guitar issues?
Good show though, really dug the new tunes that they didn’t always seem to have their parts down.
Interesting catching 6/13/94 next. Same venue, same day, just FOURTEEN years later!
The 94 was ok, but sounded like they might of been back too far as you can hear way more of the venues acoustic signature. I believe Nitecat said he was using a high stand in FOB? That would certainly reduce the venue, ambience and crowd! Can’t wait to check out more! We need a list so we can work em into rotation.
That is if you SB snobs can handle it lol, JUST TEASING!
The 94 was good. Er, hard to put into words…tired and industrial came to mind. The former was more a vibe, but seemed to cover much until Bird Song, which had a little extra, but that’s where I thought of the latter. It sounded industrial, which I don’t mean good or bad, just different? I’ve not been a big fan of Jers guitar sound during this era.
It’s not bad, just different? Bob changed axes and crap constantly, but besides effects etc, Jer kept that trademark sound mostly intact up until here. I don’t think it’s not using live speakers on stage since that happened in 92. Perhaps it’s that different guitar (forget the name) he was using, or perhaps something in line?
Felt like it sounded like a cheap piezo pickup on a plastic ovation like guitar through a crappy amp. Of course I’m exaggerating but it did sound different, for good or for Ill, your taste may certainly differ.
But the show picks up more in the second and though I did enjoy it, it reminded a little of the feelings we started to have in those days, like gulp, it might end! But all these years later I’m able to listen with different sort of ears, and don’t suffer from the hangups I had back then. So was it a 74 Beatty, no, but so what, it was still an enjoyable performance by the best band in the land. Thanks for the pick. Since not all shows from then are as consistent, it’s nice to have picks when venturing into foggy territory!
Oh, BC, if you’ve not done so, perhaps check out one of my 83 favs from that Seattle venue, 8/27/83!
Make sure you get the right version? Can’t recall but you want to hear it on speakers not cans, at least Jack Straw!
Hint, PHIL!

Daverock, back at ya!

GF: no I’ll intent ment. We just felt you misspoke, but you have since clarified and the wheel keeps turning!
Be well and rock on brother!
PS: I remember some of this horrible experience you went through before but being forgetful myself had forgotten just how horrific it was. Glad you made it and are here with us!
April 23, 2022 - 4:26pm

#2306

DeadVikes

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Gary

Sounds really rough Gary. Glad you pulled through. Hope you continue to heal.
April 23, 2022 - 1:37pm

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JimInMD

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June 27, 2011

Understood

No worries on my end, I clearly did not mean any harm.

Onward.
April 23, 2022 - 12:49pm

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Gary Farseer

Joined:
August 1, 2015

Hey Now Jim

Hope all well with folks. Just got in from checking on my own. They are doing better for their age than I am doing for mine. Ouch
April 23, 2022 - 8:54am

#2309

icecrmcnkd

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October 20, 2015

Wow Gary, all of the above

Some people report post- Covid brain fog.
Glad you pulled through. With all your inflammation you could also have some brain inflammation which can affect cognition.

Bluecrow,
I checked my HD yesterday and 6-13-94 set2% is on there.

DV,
I was able to get 2 cases of 16 oz cans on Oberon Day 3-21-22.

Yes, got a DaP42 shipping notice but tracking is not yet available.
April 23, 2022 - 7:49am

#2310

bluecrow

Joined:
September 21, 2015

Phil's Earthquake Space

DV - Night before the Raven Space - 4/18/82 Hartford. 75th anniversary of San Francisco Earthquake. Can't say I've ever heard it so in the queue it goes.

There was a Pearl Harbor Space 12/6/81 at the Rosemont Horizon.

Conekid - Be sure to check out that Seattle show if you haven't already. solid shows in Eugene also. '95 shows in Seattle also had some really nice music.

Gary - wow.

A fine Saturday to crank some Dead. Onward :-)

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

RIGHT ON ICRMCNKD!

you know they are now ... "knee deep in the hoopla"

73

Not sure if there is a better year, so many great shows and yes, sound quality on releases have varied over the years. Would be interesting to hear 10/19 with Plagent.
I think the HCS Box sounds better than the PNW box.

Which reminds me, I should listen the Des Moines show tomorrow.

Would love to send some rain your way Jim. We have had more rain here in the last three months than we had in the previous three years.

July should bring us the 2024 Box reveal and for sure Dave's Picks #51. What will it be?

85, 77 and 69? 91?

While we wait

I happened upon a thingie on your toob

GD
England 1970
The Lost Film

Very worth checking out

Re: Proudfoot

I saw that video hanging around there.. like an hour and a half. I've been crazy busy doing useless crap for other people lately.. so I only got about a third of the way through it last night. It must have been uploaded recently.

Needing a pick me up, how about 5/7/89, something someone we all know and love mentioned on the Dave's 50 thread. I don't think I have listened to it.

Sorry about your rain DVikes. If you pee in the river I live on it would probably double the flow. (not that I am recommending peeing in rivers, power to the fishies)

If they made 10/19/73 sound better, I'd buy two just to thank them for their trouble.

So many shows, so little time

Gotta revisit 10/19/73

Like Alpine 89, I have never fully understood what is so aMAzing about it.

A road trip with 10/19/73 should do the trick....

Re 5/7/89

There's a lot of subtlety to it

And some unsubtle things, too :)))

For whatever reason, I really enjoyed it yesterday.

If you have...

Fallout from the Phil Zone

Listen to it sometime this month

One more thing

Infrared Roses

Listening to that again for the first time in a while

Fallout from the Phil Zone and Infrared Roses

Love them both, was especially fond of Fallout from the Phil Zone.

73/5/7/89

Just finishing up the Des Moines show from the HCS. I love this box!

Jim, I will get 5/7/89 rolling this afternoon. I believe this was a Rex benefit show.

Hope you all can enjoy some good Dead music this week.

One of my picks of the day

4/1/84

Happy Fourth

Happy Fourth of July weekend out there. Hope you all had a good day and enjoy the weekend. July is my favorite month of the year and the Dead played some great shows in July.

Right

A belated May the Fourth Winds Blow You Safely Home.

Today's pick

So, in my world, today found me smack dab in 9/28/76 aka Dick's Picks #20, pt.2

Started with the Let It Grow>GDTRFB then rolled on with set 2

This is some of the most-heady, well played Grateful Dead i've ever had the pleasure to hear!!

Get some!

4/1/84

The first set was fun, second set tomorrow.

So Dickus Pickus 20. I love the Supplication on that too. Will make a nice start to the weekend.

4/1/84

My first "ah-ha" moment and first "bootleg" I'd ever hear of the GD. Provided by my older brother, this tape, second set only, made me sit back and think "man, this is something else!"

Fine reason to go back and take a spin!! Thanks, Jim

9/28/76...

aka Dick's Picks #20, pt.2, oh yeah, this show and the night before
9/27/76 Rochester
get lots of airplay around these parts, especially while cutting grass with headphones

Uncle Tripel

I've never heard 9/27/76. I'm gonna check it out!

Dicks #20

Always worth another listen.

I guess no #51 announcement this week. Must be coming next week.

Box? Who knows.

9/27/76

Several of my older head friends were there, and said it was probably the best show they were at, (including Rochester 77!)
Don’t peak, it has a cool set list and is a great show if you haven’t checked it out!

Edit: even Doc likes this show ; )

9/28/76 DiP 20 Part Dos

Sweet, fun (partial) listen yesterday - Cold Rain and Snow through Samson. Phil way dialed up in the mix - that Let it Grow opening - whew. The Samson entrance may be the most laid back, in that '76 way, that I've ever heard. May rewind and def will finish that show. 9/27/76 you say?! Onward back in time to the show that was the day before!!

9 27 76

Excellent show, for sure

Currently I am on disc 3 of JGB at Kean College

I also have JGB 8 29 87 in the "eventually" cue

Peak, yes

Peek, no

We're not earthly beings any more... we're cosmic beings.....

Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does the work......

On September 27, 1976, the Dead brought the thunder AND the lightning. I should know, I was there. It's a long story, but here's the Reader's Digest version:

It's a long way from Amherst, Massachusetts to Rochester, New York. We completely missed out on the June Music Hall shows, were disappointed by Colt Park, and were hot to see the Dead. Why Rochester? I'm afraid that reasoning is lost to the ravages of time and memory, but off we went. We took our excellent doses too early, and by the time we hit town we were on one of the outer rings of Saturn.

Even though Providence 74 was still somewhat fresh in our faulty memories, Rochester impressed us, especially the very big, bobbing & weaving, waves crashing second set.

How we made it there and back in one piece, only our guradian angel can tell...........

The man who has perceived God looks upon all types of men as dream motion-picture images, made of the relativities of the light of cosmic consciousness and the shadows of delusion......

Rock on,

Doc
Long before the awakening of thought on earth, manifestations of cosmic energy must have been produced which have no parallel today......

76/Pick

Pretty sweet Doc, I would have loved to see them in 76.

How about a pick?

7/31/82, Manor Downs from the 30 Trips Box. I am channeling an 82 show for #51.

Nice Story Doc

Thanks for the visuals.

It happens to best of us.. you try to time everything perfectly and it kicks in way before your ready to follow the yellow brick road in the land of Oz. That cracked me up resulting in a waste of some perfectly good coffee.

As for 51, there are some good sounding boards from 82 and Jerry's voice is mostly in fine shape compared to what was to become. I get the feeling one of these days we are going to get a Bruce show too. With all the back and forth on the Dave's 50 page Halloween 91? Hopefully we will get a good one. I'd really like to see a banana box or something very, ,very old and very very primal. It's been a long time since we got anything earlier than 69. If we get anything discussed, I'd be happy. Gotta admit, when the 77 came I was simply not in the mood for another 77. Still, it's an interesting release and I am sure I will warm up to it once I am fully in the mood. I hope they dial back on repetitive offerings a bit though and reach just beyond their comfort zone. At this point, to me, that's the sweet spot.

I would really like to know exactly what is in the vault and the quality of the tapes. Just a peeksie. After this heat wave we are going to step up efforts on that tunnel under the vault.

I'm going to play something with a Cold Rain and Snow. Replacing an exterior window in this heat has turned me into a giant, surly raison.

Frost 1982.....

would make a great release. My favorite year at the Frost was 1982.

7/31/82

If you haven't listened to this show in a while give it a go. It is a great show. Summer 82 was hot! Have we had an 82 Dave's yet? I don't think so, let's do it Dave!

9-27-76

Just finished 87664.sbd.miller.

Yes, I’ll take a cleaned up official release.

Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud.....

Morning, rockers!!!

Today I say be playing 4/13/71 Scranton, because......well........51!

I know some folks won't be happy with that. I'm not one of them...........

Thanks, Dave!!!

Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, Or what's a heaven for?

Rock on!!!!

Doc
To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders.....

#51

Think I will wait until this one lands next week. Looking forward to it and then at some point a new box.

7-13-85

Playing now and sounds pretty good.

A Plangentized/Normanized Box of summer ‘85 next year for 2025 would be grate.
There’s enough material for 2 Boxes if it can all be cleaned up. Some shows have that buzzing or distortion that I had previously read somewhere was caused by a loose cable or something in Phil’s system.

Alligator

11-11-67

11/11/67

That show is in the top bracket. Up there with the likes of 3/1/69 and 5/2/70 if you ask me. Or even if you don't.

Daverock

Are you thinking of 11-10-67 from 30 Trips?
Yes, top bracket.
Especially the vinyl release.

11-11-67 is also good, but needs to be cleaned up.

Cnkd

Doh....yes, I am ! I have heard 11/11/67 and thought it was really good - but not for many years.

6/9/73

Who is up for a little 6/9/73?

I have been pounding 6/10 quite a bit, but have only listened to 6/9 once.

The HCS Box is definitely in the top three for me at this point. Love it!

6/9/73

Hell yea, I'll dive down that rabbit hole with you.

They played the PITB from this one on Satellite radio about a week ago and I wondered why I have not hit it since the initial listen.

They played the Stanger opener from 11/30/80 today and I felt like diving into that show for a repeat also.

I'm waiting for Dave's 51 to get my religion also. No offense meant doc but I do find myself reveling in that first Full Norman listen.

Cone Kid - the coffee is strong, enjoying some good Kenyan on ice during the really hot days. Got in my kayak for the first time in more than a year. My broken wing is beginning to mend, but now it's very sore.

Hope all is well with you crazies as the dog days of summer march on.

6-9-73

Started playing it in the car today.
Will take a few commutes to finish.

An awesome Box it is.

Iced coffee

Sounds refreshing Jim.

I’ve been meaning to make some cold brew coffee and see how that tastes.
May roast some beans this weekend.

Someone regifted me some Starbucks French roast beans. He thought they were too strong. I thought that they were under roasted.

6/9/73

Thanks for joining in guys. Hope the shoulder is healing well Jim. Been drinking some Oberon tonight Conekid. Summer is flying by again.

Love these two shows. Not breaking any new ground hear, but my god, 6/9 and 6/10 don't take a back seat to any shows.
The China Rider, He's Gone into Truckin, Playing, fabulous! Yes, might be better than E72. He's Gone had that great Jam at the end that just makes me thankful for this band.

TTB on their way to Minneapolis next weekend. Been talking to my wife about going. Roughly $300 for the two of us to go with floor seats. Would love to know if they are worth that kind of dough.

Beverages

Yes DV, Oberon is plenty in my house.
Wish it was available all year.

Nice cup of dark roast coffee right now though.

Also just put 2 carafes of water and tea bags in the sun for some sun tea later today.
One is 2 bags green tea, 2 bags black tea. The other is 4 bags decaf green tea.
Got to cut back on my caffeine intake come evening, so go with the decaf green.

TTB

Vguy and others would probably say totally worth the money

I am unconvinced even after two shows

However

It's a nice thing to experience with your better half

Make some points in the relationship game

7-27-73

Get on it while the night is still young….

Happy anniversary.
Just imagine young Hendrixfreak attending……

Then...

flash 51 years later
he's at Red Rocks seeing TTB
Nice!
Cheers HF and all

TTB, et al

Saw TTB last year with Los Lobos, this year with Little Feat. Both shows were outstanding. Derek Trucks is a savant. Susan certainly no slouch, either. Worth $150 per ticket? Depends on one's financial situation.

Wife and I had a great time at a Bruce Hornsby show last week. He's still so good, his band always tight and having fun. Earlier saw Gov't Mule, Bonnie Raitt, plus Dead & Co. at the Sphere a couple weeks ago.

I love how well-behaved deadheads can take over a large city like Las Vegas for a few days. Looking at the gawkers who don't "get" the deadheads reminds me of those 1967 bus tours in the Haight pointing out all the filthy, miserable hippies to startled vacationers. Pretty hilarious!

I had a blast in LV. The visuals in the Sphere were mind-blowing, seats vibrating and bouncing during Rhythm Devils, just a great show all around.

Staying at the hotel attached to the Sphere, every time the elevator door opened, I said, "Oh, no. Deadheads!" I waited for the expected frowns before admitting my shared allegiance, eliciting hugs and high-fives. What a privilege to be part of such a kind community!

So grateful to be seeing live shows again after the musical desert during the Covid lockdowns. As Joni said, "Don't it always seem to go, you dont know what you got 'til it's gone."

TTB

Thanks for the info guys. I better step up to the plate and buy the tickets. They are playing at the renovated armory in downtown Minneapolis. Seems like a cool venue.

I'm WoW'd🙏🏼

I'm a shiny new member, never had the privilege to go on tour, discovered the dead way too late in my life unfortunately. Always been on the search for the best song but there's too many as I've learned, watching you guys chat whooping off dates is like me talking RC car parts I getting all technical but it's so impressive and cool and now with those dates I'm going to go hunt them down and see what's so great about them and learn on this never-ending journey nice to meet y'all hope I didn't say too much! 😄

Welcome IcedRider

Welcome, always good to see a new face.

Super excited about this new box. OB? I think you did this tour a while back, so you must be excited?

How about 10/17/72 from the still not sold out LTTR box.
Who is with me?

Howdy Do!

Ice rider, and good ole DV, oh, and Bolo too, and, and, “all my friends, come around….”
It’s like old home daze lol
All that’s missing is Jimmy.
Glad yer back on water, but easy on that busted wing Hoss ; )

I have not “done the tour” YET, DV, but I’ve heard all the included shows except the third one?
Back when, 78 was another “fly over” because I didn’t put the work in, and relied too much on written nonsense. I started out getting weened on lots of 78 boots at the then current time, so that and negative comments had me uninterested, “until…until, until I say, that fateful day”, no not SF in ruins, but until DaP 37!
I’m sure I’ve pontificated enough on glorious DaP 37 (along with 43 and 49), my favs from last few years,(thanks so much D & C= Dave and company lol) but 37 really shown me the light and got me down the spring 78 rabbit hole! And of course being a audio idiot, this tours Betty’s are Magnifico! So, yeah, I’m psyched fo sho!

New blood, awesome!
Better late than never icerider!
Don’t be a feared, we don’t bite..usually lol
Only rule perhaps, don’t be a dick!
Best advice. Don’t read too much on the internet lol
Make up your own damn mind, there is no such thing as right or wrong. Just many flavors as Doc would say. Learn what you like by listening, not reading what others like. Comments make good starting points, the rest is up to you…
I like to read about shows after I’ve checked em out to get my own opinion.
If you get confused, just listen to the music play!

Jump on in, the waters fine!

Edit: DV, I’ve only streamed TTB recently, from the Greek.
Totally enjoyed it. Not going to get weird and go on tour, but I bet they’d be awesome to see live at least once! In fact, I bet their even better live.
WTH, it’s only money, and hey, you get to have a nice night with your Other One!