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April 6, 2020 - 9:47am

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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April 20, 2022 - 5:53am

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JimInMD

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More on GD/Amps/US Navy

I was close... if you google it you will get an answer pretty quick. Here is a quick quote from my first google land.

Rosie McGee was cracking up at her desk when Dennis "Wiz" Leonard walked in from lunch.

"What's the story?" Wiz asked McGee, then a receptionist and bookkeeper at Alembic, a California-based custom electric guitar, bass, and pre-amp company where Wiz worked as an audio engineer.

"Well, the Department of Defense just called me," she told him. "They were asking if we could defer the purchase of our next four 3500s, so they could get four."

Those amps were in high demand at Alembic. The 3500s, in particular, would be used in the Wall of Sound's vocal array tweeters, drum tweeters, and for Jerry Garcia's guitars. But was it just Alembic buying them up? A rumor was going around—a "urban myth," Wiz told me—that the US military was using Mac 3500s for sonar, specifically to listen for Soviet submarines.
April 20, 2022 - 5:40am

#2352

Gary Farseer

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Passing the Test

Isn't the goal here to be lighthearted? I try my best to not let the craziness of the world/media not get to me here? Isn't the goal here to be a kind prankster? They ask, "Are you kind?" Most of the flamers I look like as children, either actual age or not. Many are so deep in social media and issues that result thereof, they cannot see what it is doing to them. They are being handled, manipulated, and unwittingly abused by the profiteers. I try to stay away.

Jim, had no idea of the McIntosh amp issues. Thanks for that piece of info. As much as I love the music, it is just how they were. So real and fun which someone wrote, "creating their own iconography." The richness of their traditions and internal musical dialog that we love is an unending source of comfort as they lived it everyday for 30 years. I wish I had a shot at hearing even 50% of their music, but as I have written before, my OCD makes me wear out a great jam over and over instead of looking for the next one. Need to work on that for sure.

So Jim and Oro and many others, thanks for passing the test.

G
April 19, 2022 - 6:50pm

#2353

JimInMD

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GFar

You are kind soul.. I appreciate all you provide here. Same goes to Oro. I think it would take a face to face to catch me up on all the technology (old or new) that the two of you bring for me to truly understand. As for old.. and I am sure you both know.. in either late 73 or early 74 (I think 73).. the GD got into a scuffle with DOD over equipment they were ordering that was desperately needed for national security. Apparently, the Macintosh amps they were buying in unprecedented numbers were needed both in general and more specifically by special, top secret subs that needed the clean sound and amplification to either detect enemy interference or better hear and make stealth the noise they were making. So they called the GD and tried to work out a way to either stall, postpone or barter a purchasing arrangement that would not jeopardize national security.

I think this is well known, and I apologize in advance for going on memory and surely confusing some of the information listed above as fact. ..but what is written is pretty close, if someone can clarify and correct it would not offend me in the least.

Hope I didn't write anything that was incorrect or in any way interpreted as insulting or offensive.

As for chainsaws and sawzaws to clear way for our living room WOS.. what could possibly be more fun.
April 19, 2022 - 6:05pm

#2354

Gary Farseer

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Sawzaw

Ah the sounds of my earliest fun dentist. "You dont need no gas!"

All my stereo stuff is old, always fussy. Running all old Yamaha into JBL (plus svs). Trying to get stuff cleaned and parts replaced. When it is on, it is quite the stereo indeed. I have an old yamaha eq that I hooked up when Dave's first show was released. Goes into Pre amp, then to a yamaha mx-830. The MX-830 is powering 4 jbl g300's and 2 jbl LX 600's. Running 6 speakers means the amp is running at 550 watts at 2 ohms. It cooks. The speakers all have same tweeters and mid ranges. The 300s run 8" woofers and the 600s have 10 inch woofers. It is old but as you say "in budget." Smile.

edit:
Then the svs has a 550 watt continous, 850 watt peak sledge. The svs I picked up a few years back for $399. I had to have a sub with an internal crossover. So out of preamp to svs (rca cables), then back into the preamp, then to amp. Having old yamaha means older connection points. Modern amps control the crossover themself and pump sub out already crossed over. I happen to run my internal sub amp at a cutoff of 82 hz. George Lucas uses 80 hz crossover in his THX sound systems. So I am slightly above that. I did some sampling of the room using the preamp features.

G
April 19, 2022 - 3:31pm

#2355

JimInMD

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Do you have any '74 Dijon?

Neanderthal's use chain saws.. a sophisticated audiophile attacks their living rooms delicately with a sawzaw.

I'm totally jealous.. I am blasting with my 20 year old Denon, similar age speakers with no intents on upgrading anytime soon. Budgets be budgets..
April 19, 2022 - 1:11pm

#2356

Gary Farseer

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Yeah

Can you imagine writing the real equipment book? With the constant upgrading of the system, that book would be multiple enormous volumes. Hope the Meyers have logged a lot of their research.

No 18's here. Of course not needed.

Back last year, Oro, you asked if I was running multiple subs. I am not. I have a 12" SVS Systems sub with built in Sledge D amp. It is like the rabbit, it is a thumper. Goes down to 13 or 15hz, so below the 20hz of human hearing. That is, if all memories about frequency response are still good. Starting to get the old enough to question my own thoughts at times.

I am still hoping for the day when we can listen to WoS through a system that takes us to the "Fare the Well" P.A.. Would have to be software based, but I look at it like 4K upcoding an HDTV signal.

Wow, FTW PA is now 7 years ago. Bet the Meyers' have gone way beyond that. I almost applied for a job at Meyer 7 years ago. Was in my career field. POTHead.

That 2015 system had multiple flying 18's. It also had a load balancing system. This was done by having 2 systems, intake and outake. That is, they had 100 microphones throughout the stadium to push into the analytics software. Of course, the output systems was not connected except thru analytics, to the input system to avoid feedback. Brilliant. The analytic input system could then be used to balance the PA by section of the of the stadium.

Sorry for interruption but I wanted find the article on pro sound web about 2015 FTW PA.

I did actually find it, but not by searching pro sound web, but by searching internet at large and it found it on the pro sound web site, even though pro sound web could not find it in its own search.

Let me know, maybe I can send lynk thru PM here, not sure if they cut that off.

Any way need to do a little work after lunch. I mean a little work.

G
April 19, 2022 - 12:24pm

#2357

Oroborous

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Ha

That’s what chain saws are for!

Gary, I think besides trying to keep up with Garcia, Phil was using that big system on stage to help fill in those near field areas (up front etc) we were discussing, the areas that didn’t get proper coverage from the PA?
What some refer to as the Phil Zone, though to me that’s was where both his stage sound and the PA sound merged and acoustically coupled.
But yeah, My spine tingles and can still feel rather than hear those sub frequencies in my DNA. (By sub I mean below the threshold of hearing, not a subwoofer). Those Meyers 18”s in the PA were ridiculous in the right spot, in the right venue etc.
Plus, it’s the Grateful Fucking Dead so why not go big!

PS, that Grateful Dead gear book is great, though a little dialed down.
April 19, 2022 - 12:07pm

#2358

JimInMD

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I want what Phil's having...

Home version. 18"'s and 4"'s. If I move some things around, they should fit.
April 19, 2022 - 11:21am

#2359

Gary Farseer

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Oro

thanks for the write-up, input. Need a little time to read again and ponder. Think again we are speaking the same language but as 90% of communication is non verbal, some times the written language let's us down.

It seems I have the dead's equipment book, need to track that down. Not necessarily for this discussion but just to find it again...

Should have figured Phil would use Meyer systems. Using 18's onstage, wow!

Hope all well your way!

G
April 19, 2022 - 10:10am

#2360

Oroborous

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Phil’s Rig

As of late 82 or early 83 Phil was using 4 Meyers cabinets: (4 -18”, 4 -15”), 2 per cabinet powered by custom PIE amps, until they started not using speakers on stage in 92. (Which I didn’t like).

Not sure I get all what your saying? I agree that Soundboards do not sound natural for many reasons.
Perhaps your referring to the phenomena of Microphones not having frequency response to accurately record bass waves combing sub sonic frequencies at those kind of SPL levels?
Mic location can also make a big difference and was partly why Dan started the tapers section. Unless you have the right knowledge and equipment chances are a recording made too close will mot sound good.
Plus you have the physics: the lower the frequency, the longer the sound wave. If your too close you’ll not hear the fully formed bass note etc.
In fact if your too close much of the PA sound will blow right by you. You’ll also not properly experience stereo imaging. That’s why usually, the sound board or just before it was THE place to be. It was a trade off going up front: yeah you were up close and could see and hear their stage sound, but the PA mix was so above and beyond you that you missed a lot of info. Eventually they added little Meyers boxes, usually sitting on the front of the stage to add some vocals etc for those up close.
Nothing comes for free! Personally, like Bear, I didn’t like the stereo set up because of this. Unless you were in the right spot, you missed a lot of info, especially if you were sitting on the side!
This was the main reason Reserved seating sucked: nobody could sit where they wanted so if you were a sound nut like us, you often had to endure less than perfect sound/mixes.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

RIGHT ON ICRMCNKD!

you know they are now ... "knee deep in the hoopla"

73

Not sure if there is a better year, so many great shows and yes, sound quality on releases have varied over the years. Would be interesting to hear 10/19 with Plagent.
I think the HCS Box sounds better than the PNW box.

Which reminds me, I should listen the Des Moines show tomorrow.

Would love to send some rain your way Jim. We have had more rain here in the last three months than we had in the previous three years.

July should bring us the 2024 Box reveal and for sure Dave's Picks #51. What will it be?

85, 77 and 69? 91?

While we wait

I happened upon a thingie on your toob

GD
England 1970
The Lost Film

Very worth checking out

Re: Proudfoot

I saw that video hanging around there.. like an hour and a half. I've been crazy busy doing useless crap for other people lately.. so I only got about a third of the way through it last night. It must have been uploaded recently.

Needing a pick me up, how about 5/7/89, something someone we all know and love mentioned on the Dave's 50 thread. I don't think I have listened to it.

Sorry about your rain DVikes. If you pee in the river I live on it would probably double the flow. (not that I am recommending peeing in rivers, power to the fishies)

If they made 10/19/73 sound better, I'd buy two just to thank them for their trouble.

So many shows, so little time

Gotta revisit 10/19/73

Like Alpine 89, I have never fully understood what is so aMAzing about it.

A road trip with 10/19/73 should do the trick....

Re 5/7/89

There's a lot of subtlety to it

And some unsubtle things, too :)))

For whatever reason, I really enjoyed it yesterday.

If you have...

Fallout from the Phil Zone

Listen to it sometime this month

One more thing

Infrared Roses

Listening to that again for the first time in a while

Fallout from the Phil Zone and Infrared Roses

Love them both, was especially fond of Fallout from the Phil Zone.

73/5/7/89

Just finishing up the Des Moines show from the HCS. I love this box!

Jim, I will get 5/7/89 rolling this afternoon. I believe this was a Rex benefit show.

Hope you all can enjoy some good Dead music this week.

One of my picks of the day

4/1/84

Happy Fourth

Happy Fourth of July weekend out there. Hope you all had a good day and enjoy the weekend. July is my favorite month of the year and the Dead played some great shows in July.

Right

A belated May the Fourth Winds Blow You Safely Home.

Today's pick

So, in my world, today found me smack dab in 9/28/76 aka Dick's Picks #20, pt.2

Started with the Let It Grow>GDTRFB then rolled on with set 2

This is some of the most-heady, well played Grateful Dead i've ever had the pleasure to hear!!

Get some!

4/1/84

The first set was fun, second set tomorrow.

So Dickus Pickus 20. I love the Supplication on that too. Will make a nice start to the weekend.

4/1/84

My first "ah-ha" moment and first "bootleg" I'd ever hear of the GD. Provided by my older brother, this tape, second set only, made me sit back and think "man, this is something else!"

Fine reason to go back and take a spin!! Thanks, Jim

9/28/76...

aka Dick's Picks #20, pt.2, oh yeah, this show and the night before
9/27/76 Rochester
get lots of airplay around these parts, especially while cutting grass with headphones

Uncle Tripel

I've never heard 9/27/76. I'm gonna check it out!

Dicks #20

Always worth another listen.

I guess no #51 announcement this week. Must be coming next week.

Box? Who knows.

9/27/76

Several of my older head friends were there, and said it was probably the best show they were at, (including Rochester 77!)
Don’t peak, it has a cool set list and is a great show if you haven’t checked it out!

Edit: even Doc likes this show ; )

9/28/76 DiP 20 Part Dos

Sweet, fun (partial) listen yesterday - Cold Rain and Snow through Samson. Phil way dialed up in the mix - that Let it Grow opening - whew. The Samson entrance may be the most laid back, in that '76 way, that I've ever heard. May rewind and def will finish that show. 9/27/76 you say?! Onward back in time to the show that was the day before!!

9 27 76

Excellent show, for sure

Currently I am on disc 3 of JGB at Kean College

I also have JGB 8 29 87 in the "eventually" cue

Peak, yes

Peek, no

We're not earthly beings any more... we're cosmic beings.....

Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does the work......

On September 27, 1976, the Dead brought the thunder AND the lightning. I should know, I was there. It's a long story, but here's the Reader's Digest version:

It's a long way from Amherst, Massachusetts to Rochester, New York. We completely missed out on the June Music Hall shows, were disappointed by Colt Park, and were hot to see the Dead. Why Rochester? I'm afraid that reasoning is lost to the ravages of time and memory, but off we went. We took our excellent doses too early, and by the time we hit town we were on one of the outer rings of Saturn.

Even though Providence 74 was still somewhat fresh in our faulty memories, Rochester impressed us, especially the very big, bobbing & weaving, waves crashing second set.

How we made it there and back in one piece, only our guradian angel can tell...........

The man who has perceived God looks upon all types of men as dream motion-picture images, made of the relativities of the light of cosmic consciousness and the shadows of delusion......

Rock on,

Doc
Long before the awakening of thought on earth, manifestations of cosmic energy must have been produced which have no parallel today......

76/Pick

Pretty sweet Doc, I would have loved to see them in 76.

How about a pick?

7/31/82, Manor Downs from the 30 Trips Box. I am channeling an 82 show for #51.

Nice Story Doc

Thanks for the visuals.

It happens to best of us.. you try to time everything perfectly and it kicks in way before your ready to follow the yellow brick road in the land of Oz. That cracked me up resulting in a waste of some perfectly good coffee.

As for 51, there are some good sounding boards from 82 and Jerry's voice is mostly in fine shape compared to what was to become. I get the feeling one of these days we are going to get a Bruce show too. With all the back and forth on the Dave's 50 page Halloween 91? Hopefully we will get a good one. I'd really like to see a banana box or something very, ,very old and very very primal. It's been a long time since we got anything earlier than 69. If we get anything discussed, I'd be happy. Gotta admit, when the 77 came I was simply not in the mood for another 77. Still, it's an interesting release and I am sure I will warm up to it once I am fully in the mood. I hope they dial back on repetitive offerings a bit though and reach just beyond their comfort zone. At this point, to me, that's the sweet spot.

I would really like to know exactly what is in the vault and the quality of the tapes. Just a peeksie. After this heat wave we are going to step up efforts on that tunnel under the vault.

I'm going to play something with a Cold Rain and Snow. Replacing an exterior window in this heat has turned me into a giant, surly raison.

Frost 1982.....

would make a great release. My favorite year at the Frost was 1982.

7/31/82

If you haven't listened to this show in a while give it a go. It is a great show. Summer 82 was hot! Have we had an 82 Dave's yet? I don't think so, let's do it Dave!

9-27-76

Just finished 87664.sbd.miller.

Yes, I’ll take a cleaned up official release.

Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud.....

Morning, rockers!!!

Today I say be playing 4/13/71 Scranton, because......well........51!

I know some folks won't be happy with that. I'm not one of them...........

Thanks, Dave!!!

Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, Or what's a heaven for?

Rock on!!!!

Doc
To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders.....

#51

Think I will wait until this one lands next week. Looking forward to it and then at some point a new box.

7-13-85

Playing now and sounds pretty good.

A Plangentized/Normanized Box of summer ‘85 next year for 2025 would be grate.
There’s enough material for 2 Boxes if it can all be cleaned up. Some shows have that buzzing or distortion that I had previously read somewhere was caused by a loose cable or something in Phil’s system.

Alligator

11-11-67

11/11/67

That show is in the top bracket. Up there with the likes of 3/1/69 and 5/2/70 if you ask me. Or even if you don't.

Daverock

Are you thinking of 11-10-67 from 30 Trips?
Yes, top bracket.
Especially the vinyl release.

11-11-67 is also good, but needs to be cleaned up.

Cnkd

Doh....yes, I am ! I have heard 11/11/67 and thought it was really good - but not for many years.

6/9/73

Who is up for a little 6/9/73?

I have been pounding 6/10 quite a bit, but have only listened to 6/9 once.

The HCS Box is definitely in the top three for me at this point. Love it!

6/9/73

Hell yea, I'll dive down that rabbit hole with you.

They played the PITB from this one on Satellite radio about a week ago and I wondered why I have not hit it since the initial listen.

They played the Stanger opener from 11/30/80 today and I felt like diving into that show for a repeat also.

I'm waiting for Dave's 51 to get my religion also. No offense meant doc but I do find myself reveling in that first Full Norman listen.

Cone Kid - the coffee is strong, enjoying some good Kenyan on ice during the really hot days. Got in my kayak for the first time in more than a year. My broken wing is beginning to mend, but now it's very sore.

Hope all is well with you crazies as the dog days of summer march on.

6-9-73

Started playing it in the car today.
Will take a few commutes to finish.

An awesome Box it is.

Iced coffee

Sounds refreshing Jim.

I’ve been meaning to make some cold brew coffee and see how that tastes.
May roast some beans this weekend.

Someone regifted me some Starbucks French roast beans. He thought they were too strong. I thought that they were under roasted.

6/9/73

Thanks for joining in guys. Hope the shoulder is healing well Jim. Been drinking some Oberon tonight Conekid. Summer is flying by again.

Love these two shows. Not breaking any new ground hear, but my god, 6/9 and 6/10 don't take a back seat to any shows.
The China Rider, He's Gone into Truckin, Playing, fabulous! Yes, might be better than E72. He's Gone had that great Jam at the end that just makes me thankful for this band.

TTB on their way to Minneapolis next weekend. Been talking to my wife about going. Roughly $300 for the two of us to go with floor seats. Would love to know if they are worth that kind of dough.

Beverages

Yes DV, Oberon is plenty in my house.
Wish it was available all year.

Nice cup of dark roast coffee right now though.

Also just put 2 carafes of water and tea bags in the sun for some sun tea later today.
One is 2 bags green tea, 2 bags black tea. The other is 4 bags decaf green tea.
Got to cut back on my caffeine intake come evening, so go with the decaf green.

TTB

Vguy and others would probably say totally worth the money

I am unconvinced even after two shows

However

It's a nice thing to experience with your better half

Make some points in the relationship game

7-27-73

Get on it while the night is still young….

Happy anniversary.
Just imagine young Hendrixfreak attending……

Then...

flash 51 years later
he's at Red Rocks seeing TTB
Nice!
Cheers HF and all

TTB, et al

Saw TTB last year with Los Lobos, this year with Little Feat. Both shows were outstanding. Derek Trucks is a savant. Susan certainly no slouch, either. Worth $150 per ticket? Depends on one's financial situation.

Wife and I had a great time at a Bruce Hornsby show last week. He's still so good, his band always tight and having fun. Earlier saw Gov't Mule, Bonnie Raitt, plus Dead & Co. at the Sphere a couple weeks ago.

I love how well-behaved deadheads can take over a large city like Las Vegas for a few days. Looking at the gawkers who don't "get" the deadheads reminds me of those 1967 bus tours in the Haight pointing out all the filthy, miserable hippies to startled vacationers. Pretty hilarious!

I had a blast in LV. The visuals in the Sphere were mind-blowing, seats vibrating and bouncing during Rhythm Devils, just a great show all around.

Staying at the hotel attached to the Sphere, every time the elevator door opened, I said, "Oh, no. Deadheads!" I waited for the expected frowns before admitting my shared allegiance, eliciting hugs and high-fives. What a privilege to be part of such a kind community!

So grateful to be seeing live shows again after the musical desert during the Covid lockdowns. As Joni said, "Don't it always seem to go, you dont know what you got 'til it's gone."

TTB

Thanks for the info guys. I better step up to the plate and buy the tickets. They are playing at the renovated armory in downtown Minneapolis. Seems like a cool venue.

I'm WoW'd🙏🏼

I'm a shiny new member, never had the privilege to go on tour, discovered the dead way too late in my life unfortunately. Always been on the search for the best song but there's too many as I've learned, watching you guys chat whooping off dates is like me talking RC car parts I getting all technical but it's so impressive and cool and now with those dates I'm going to go hunt them down and see what's so great about them and learn on this never-ending journey nice to meet y'all hope I didn't say too much! 😄

Welcome IcedRider

Welcome, always good to see a new face.

Super excited about this new box. OB? I think you did this tour a while back, so you must be excited?

How about 10/17/72 from the still not sold out LTTR box.
Who is with me?

Howdy Do!

Ice rider, and good ole DV, oh, and Bolo too, and, and, “all my friends, come around….”
It’s like old home daze lol
All that’s missing is Jimmy.
Glad yer back on water, but easy on that busted wing Hoss ; )

I have not “done the tour” YET, DV, but I’ve heard all the included shows except the third one?
Back when, 78 was another “fly over” because I didn’t put the work in, and relied too much on written nonsense. I started out getting weened on lots of 78 boots at the then current time, so that and negative comments had me uninterested, “until…until, until I say, that fateful day”, no not SF in ruins, but until DaP 37!
I’m sure I’ve pontificated enough on glorious DaP 37 (along with 43 and 49), my favs from last few years,(thanks so much D & C= Dave and company lol) but 37 really shown me the light and got me down the spring 78 rabbit hole! And of course being a audio idiot, this tours Betty’s are Magnifico! So, yeah, I’m psyched fo sho!

New blood, awesome!
Better late than never icerider!
Don’t be a feared, we don’t bite..usually lol
Only rule perhaps, don’t be a dick!
Best advice. Don’t read too much on the internet lol
Make up your own damn mind, there is no such thing as right or wrong. Just many flavors as Doc would say. Learn what you like by listening, not reading what others like. Comments make good starting points, the rest is up to you…
I like to read about shows after I’ve checked em out to get my own opinion.
If you get confused, just listen to the music play!

Jump on in, the waters fine!

Edit: DV, I’ve only streamed TTB recently, from the Greek.
Totally enjoyed it. Not going to get weird and go on tour, but I bet they’d be awesome to see live at least once! In fact, I bet their even better live.
WTH, it’s only money, and hey, you get to have a nice night with your Other One!