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    Obeah - here's an edited/slightly reworked version of what I posted on another forum years ago. I'd go for the GEMS SBD remaster (152924). Not as jammed out as some '74 but there is some really and truly, very fine, music here (sound of Oro's foot tapping.) The Dark Star jam is unlike any out there and I really really dig it.

    Ca. 1997/98 – I was living in a small desert town. First worked here summer of ’95 and it was here that I first learned of Jerry’s passing (and still here 25+ years later). Jim, a long time resident (moved away years ago) and fellow Deadhead (saw Vegas Ice Palace ’69 I think) mentioned that a friend had come through town and left a list of tapes he had to trade/share. The friend was a river runner out of Flagstaff, would be back through town in a week or so. Jim invited me to take a look at the list and see if there was anything I wanted. It was a short list – all that I remember at this point is that it had the International Amphitheatre show, 7/25/74, complete show, an audience rated at C-. The show was unknown to me and, as a favorite year and a Chicago boy at heart (born and raised north suburbs), I asked for that one.

    One night a little while later the river runner friend came back through town. I remember standing outside in the summer dark talking to him for maybe 10-20 minutes, he only stopped to drop off tapes. It turned out that he had taped the show himself and it was the only show he ever taped. A cheap deck with the microphones hanging over the balcony railing (IIRC). He had talked to Phil outside the back door before the show and Phil had big time dosed him. Said that Phil sat on a stool for part of the show. He got all wide-eyed with nostalgic awe when he recalled the Ship of Fools encore – clearly the song had been a major religious experience. I think he handed me his masters to make a copy (or maybe he just dropped off a copy?), saying he would pick them up from our mutual friend on the way back through town. Don’t recall his name and never saw him again.

    Listening to the tapes you felt like you were way in the back of a cavernous space. To me, C- was possibly a generous grade, but with a pair of cheap headphones (all my gear was cheap at the time) - listening in the dark in the middle of the high desert night - you could be there, and for a poor boy in the backwoods of tapes it was a cool listen. I dubbed a couple of copies and sent one to Jeff, a close friend, who was back in the Chicago area – at the time he was managing Dr. Wax (a chain of several used record/CD stores/Jeff also founded and ran a niche record label Quinnah Records) A little while later Jeff calls me, all excited. “Where did you get this?? This is the only known recording of this show currently in circulation!!!” Circulation was a relative term in this case. Turns out Jeff had reached out/was in contact with the gentlemen who were putting together the first Tapers Compendium and, connected as they were, they knew of no other recordings of this show. The Compendium folks wanted him to review the tapes/show for the Compendium, but in the end it was too late because the book had just gone into galley(?) and it was too much trouble to revise it. This is the only ’74 show not reviewed/completely missing from the first edition Tapers Compendium Vol I.

    A bunch of high-end traders contacted Jeff requesting copies. When Jeff asked one what his opinion of the tapes were, the gentleman replied that it was pretty rough and that basically it was for completists only, but of course it had a heretofore uncirculated Dark Star with a Slipknot tease, which was everything you needed to know right there. This may have been at the time the only uncirculated Dark Star post-1970. Another commented that he thought he knew the person who might have the soundboard reels (or copies of them) but that they were holding them close. The SBD recording finally entered public circulation a few years later and Dave Lemieux (I raise a toast, or two or three, or more, in his honor) has featured portions of this show a time or three, I think, in the Jam of the Week and/or the Tapers Section/and 30 days of the Dead. So the masters are in the vault. The audience has never been uploaded to the archive.

    It makes me smile that this show first resurfaced from the depths of time (relatively speaking) in this dusty, high desert, town.

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    1972 was some great concerts in some out-of-the way places

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    Rise and shine lil Pedro
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    Disc 4 of "Unlabled 1968 GD"

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    The SS is a very early version

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    Theres info about this on e t r e e

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    ...a small bit of squawking or is it squonking...someone recently mentioned Ornette Coleman with the Boys in 1993...anyway PHILA 1973 SEPT 21 Set 2 should fill the jones with guests Martin Fiero & Joe Ellis

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    7 19 90

    I was listening to 7 18 90 earlier today and it just felt "meh".

    7 19 90 already has a springy bouncy energy 2nd song in.

    Very interesting

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    Sounds good.

    The show could be cleaned up and included in next year’s 30TATS -The Sequel Box.

    Yes Crow, I enjoyed 7-25-74.
    And I just finished playing 5-14-74 in the car (took a few days). Definitely a step up from 5-12-74.

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    9/14/74 plus

    Plus omg, 9/11/74. Had not HEARD this one complete before, Doah!
    Felt like it was the most consistent overall of the three nights? and has another sweet 74 PITB, but the P&N through Rat sequence…OMG, tiss the shite mate!
    If you haven’t heard, and like big weirdness ala 72/73, you MUST check out at least from PITB onward…through the fog!

    7/25/74. OBEAH, ole Bluecrow always be giving us the goodness!
    And 5/14, one of my favs of the year, 74 DS, come on…scary moons 😳

    BC, Betting you’ve heard about 51, so other than that, I’d say you missed nothing ; )
    I too, waiting impatiently for 7/25….hear sound of foot tapping…

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Cold dead hands indeed :-)

I buy this stuff and tell my wife, "but look they go up in value" "It's for our son someday"

In reality it doesn't matter what happens to the price,,, I'm not selling.

It wouldn't be a collection if you sold stuff. I've been collecting albums since I was 7. I still have all my "kids" albums.

Someday they will go to my son (unless my wife sells them all 5 minutes after I'm dead), what he will do with them, who knows.

Can there EVER be enough music? Of course not!

Music may not be life, but it's the reason for living. If the only thing we can take to the next stop in life is our memories, mine will be filled with music!

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That was a darn fine show...
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Currently listening to ‘Variations on a theme’ by Om. Long time since I played it. Drums, Bass and Vocals only. It goes deep.

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Gave the 18th a full sit down last night, which I hadn’t done in awhile.
Holy crap what a good show! My recollection was that the first night (has always been!) HOT. But that the next two nights were good, but maybe not RJ?
Maybe just set and setting, but boy I really dug the 18th last night, almost got up outta my seat a few times like Dave says lol
So once I’m awake enough lol, going to try for the 19th next…
I know PF and others don’t fully embrace these, and as I say, over the years I’ve not always felt the full eeeleck tricity, but it sure clicked last night.
I think there’s occasionally a looseness during this time that occasionally might lead certain types to head scratch. Like their not full on or something? I think it’s just their having fun, and are in such a good place that their relaxed and loose and just letting it flow? Who knows?

I unfortunately don’t recall so much from being there except that it was good, and the new, steep hill to accommodate more people, but not the crazy oversold monsoon mob and our awesome DIY slip and slide down the hill lol.
And I’ve now seen the video so many times I can’t recall much specifically.

But to me, the thing that makes this time so special is Garcia! He’s not only playing well, he’s really enjoying himself. You can literally see it!
I didn’t watch any of it last night (supposedly the 18th was a MUATM?) but I could just see him in my minds eye after watching DH the previous night.
All the vids from this time show how much fun he was having and it showed in his playing! (wish they’d give us more vids, legacy tech and all…)

ISTSHOW: lol, synesthesia at prime proper upscale jazz show!
I bet THAT was interesting, yer a warrior!
The setting reminds me of a late eighties Metheny show, muggy, hot, with too much humidity, and excessive stealth bullet usage smack dab in the middle of upscale crowd etc…”dude, yer gonna get us kicked out or worse”, me= “it’s melting, so I HAVE to do it all” I should write a book lol

Great story 1stshow, and I bet that was an awesome show!

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Follow up:
And I was designated driver, lol. I guess I was the Capt. trips because it was well known I could keep it together no matter what. Tim's (CA Deadhead who got me on the bus in the dorm at Colo. State in 1975) '66 Mercedes 200 batwing no less. He trusted me on ski trips with that too. Likely my favorite car to drive of all time. I remember laughing hysterically with the people still in the car while the others were getting some food. We couldn't imagine why they would want to eat food. We don't need no stinking burgers! A good time was had by all. Appreciate the props bro.
Cheers

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Hey rockers!!

Right now? Properly sequenced 10/24/70. You know why..............

Music and silence combine strongly because music is done with silence, and silence is full of music......

Rock on!!!

Doc
Music is an outburst of the soul.......

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stinkin burgers” lol, yep, totally transported me right there lol.
Remember my “first”, folks older, experienced folks I was with took us to late night burrito place, used Togo late night all the time, like clockwork. That night, food? Couldn’t fathom it or why you’d want to? And the florescent lights and GIANT fish tanks almost freaked me out lol. Of course eventually I learned that food could be good too lol
Man, just looked up, what a ride!
Might as well travel the elegant way!

Those were the daze my friend, we thought they’d never end…

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Good catch on that detail, Bluecrow - you are quite right about the location of the Pigasus nomination. Not sure how I got that confused with the Int'l Amp, but I'm sure it's from going down wiki rabbit holes and losing track.

I've finally got a copy of 7/25/74, all ready for listening while I do some work tomorrow. At last! I'm excited. I had disc III of 5/14/74 still in my car's CD player when I picked up my brother yesterday. We got to our destination but we were 10 minutes early and he said, "ok, park, but don't turn this off... this is SO good." (It was the NFA->GDTRFB closer) If you do manage to track down the mystery taper for this one, I'm sure I'm not alone in saying I will eagerly be listening as you relay more details. Cheers.

Wellll?
Short version: doesn’t hang with the big boys.
First sets good, and Box O, then as is often the case, FH is strained and ole JG has perhaps lost his edge? Flubs a bit of LLR which is not a top shelf version anyway, then Terrapin (I’m mind missing?)
TOO is ok but nothing special, wheel gets flubbed, but then, aaahhh, lol, like I told my Other one, “watch, he can stumble half the night, but if he nails this Dew, all will be forgotten, and the poor shlub who was miserable in the rain all night…40 years later, he’ll only remember that Dew”, and so sure as your born ….lol. Man I miss Jer!
So not a bad show, by the high standards of this tour, perhaps below the bar, certainly not RJ. Seemed like another last show of the tour, where like athletes, they just ran outta gas a bit.
Be interesting to see how this run shakes out?
Ok, mañana onto Cal X.
Onward!

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If Alpine 89 gets the treatment and I listen to it again, I might see the full light of that run.

5 7 89 I avoided that show for a long time because my first listen back in the day had me thinking "meh". Then a few weeks ago I listened again and it was blissful.

I haven't given up on Alpine 89...I just need to hear it again at the right time.

Currently listening to 12 29 77

Ja, gerne

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That was a great show! Nice Weather Report Suite.

Took a break from the GOGD yesterday, and spun a few Steely Dan albums.

Currently giving 50 another run until 51 arrives in the mail.

Peace

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Yeah, it’s crazy how much what we’re thinking/doing etc can effect the show we’re listening to…

I’ve been back and forth with parts of this for years, but this time I did em in order etc and think I’ve got a good handle now lol.
Onto Cal X today…

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Playing now.
I always thought it was the weaker of the 3, but I could be biased since 7-17 was my second show and I got it on VHS when Downhill From Here came out and played it extensively. Eventually got the DVD, and am now waiting for all 3 nights to come out on Blu-ray.
Note: still a terrible decision to replace the end of 17th set 1 with end of 19th set 1. Unless there’s a legit reason like the video doesn’t exist.

I got 7-19 set 2 on VHS at the end of the 90’s. It was a few generations and grainy, but I played that a lot too.

7-18 sounds pretty good tonight though.

So, in conclusion, yes Dave, I’m (im)patiently waiting for all 3 nights to be released on Blu-ray.

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This one's been a regular part of my wake and bake routine for a long time.

51 should arrive by lunch time.

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Right now? After flaming finance man via pm, I'm catching up with April 4, 1971. Yes, my way back machine done got broke and I'm stuck in April 1971...........

Rock on,

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I’ve heard these, once, think some on u toob?
But not in order etc.

4&5 yesterday.
4 is awesome!
5 first time I didn’t feel it? Much better this time, fun show!
6 rollin as we speaker. Great triple opener! So far sounds like a good one…

17 later…

Edit: out of last 7 summer 89 shows I’ve heard, (7/15-8/6) I’d say 7/19 was the dog in the pile. Not terrible, but not great. But the other five, boo yah!

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Well I've wandered off the beaten track from Aprils 1971 and 1978

But I really do enjoy Summer '82 and today's the anniversary of 7/31/82 - included in 30 Trips. I missed that box set, but I picked this one up back when people were parting out 30 trips shows on eBay for $30-$35. I think I've only spun it once or twice, so it felt right to dust if off.

Afterwards I intend to get down 'n dusty with 8/1/82 Oklahoma City. I had a spectacular low-gen copy of this one thanks to a tape tree I was part of circa '90 or '91. I haven't heard it in decades but I remember it being a good one.

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I've been listening to a ton of 1985 shows lately, so I'm taking a break with 7-19-89 as some commenters here recently said they were digging. I'm up to Mama Tried right now and definitely a very strong start, especially the Sugaree...

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Hmmm, sorta lost with all the fresh hoopla today!
Aaaa, let’s see, did the 17 yesterday. Definitely good but maybe they’ve peaked at Alpine and Cal X? Let’s find out, forward, never straight!
On 18 now. More good but maybe not RJ summer 89 dead?
Lots of distractions today so…? Definitely good, guess just how good? ; )

EDIT: upon Futhur review…taint nothin wrong wif dis one!
Maybe slightly relaxed, in a good way, but mos def another fine 89!
Maybe a bit of a creeper? Steady as she goes capin, JG slowly builds things up with some fine renditions!
Ok, try and get 8/19/89 in before TOO arrives, hopefully with 51!
Onward!

Summer 82, nice! while yer down there ; ), check out the hot second set from Kansas and St Louie show, and…?
Good sheet Mon!
If my memory is correct, that KC Women Are was my first tape introduction…

Edit: 8/19/89: another good ? It’s another of the Cali laid back shows…meaning, the playing is really good, but there’s a looseness or, relaxed atmosphere?
I’ve always had a hard time describing..if you say laid back people think it’s too mellow etc. but these shows are not, their good, but, maybe don’t burn quite as bright as some of the previous outings of the summer? Ha, how’s that for an answer lol. Ok, onto Shoreline…mañana

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...don't murder me; 1978 april 16th huntington wv,
and...all I said was come on in

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Fine thinking, Oro, I am indeed amenable to some distractions. And speaking of 8/3 Kansas City, I had the first set back in the day but I don't think I've ever heard set II. The setlist "interests me strangely" (in the immortal phrasing of Bertie Wooster) - it looks like one good ride from start to end. And 8/4 - oh, last GD show at Kiel, eh? I've never heard a note of it.

Funny thing about this little summer trip is that I've yet to play Dave's Vol 51! I got it out this morning and checked out the tour rider, read the liner notes again... but yet it still sits unripped and unplayed. What a nice problem to have, though. It's great to be a deadhead.

OBEAH 82: I had/have what was a very nice tape BITD by our limited standards of KC first set, actually, I think I only had first sets of both shows but boy did they get played a ton! Years later on my quest I hit the whole shows and fully enjoyed them! Hopefully you will too!

Onto 9/29 and later 9/30/89 today.
Hopefully hit 10/1 mañana AM, then give 51 the full treatment in the afternoon!

I think I’ve heard and/or seen these, but not in succession/order etc and don’t recall too much. So WTHN! We’ll just keep rollin on through. Hell, since I’m ahead of my “schedule” this year, maybe I’ll continue on with fall 89?
But, “really beeeg shoo” today, and so far the 29 is mas fine!

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Pieced back together in order.

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...or Inside Down; 1978 april 6th tampa fl,
and...passenger, don't you hear me?

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William And Mary
Giving this one a run, then I'll stay away from '78 until the box arrives.

Hey Cone Kid
I pieced that 10/24/70 show back together yesterday too. That Attics is so good!

Peace

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From the old box. Listening to "Dancing In The Street" I discovered a space I didn't know existed.

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Last night…
Try again today…

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Just got it and other recent releases loaded onto my music player in ALAC format.
Will play them all this weekend.

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Boston Music Hall

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Boston Music Hall

First one's so good, had to keep on truckin'.

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Madison Square Garden

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Heading for a DHB!

Good work son!

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Reno, NV

Thanks Oro!

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Nice flow when reassembled in order.

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The Red Rocks show I almost saw and heard some of from the parking lot, lol. I think this was when I was managing a pizza delivery place and could not get the day off, then it slowed down and I got my asst. mgr. in training to cover for me and raced down to Morrison from Ft. Collins to catch what I could. Ended up doing a big favor for a fighting couple who would not take the same car home. I gave her and another girl a ride home. Big favor as they eventually married. Kindness or missed opportunity, I'm not sure which, lol.
Cheers
I see why BC likes this 1st set! My original tape from the 90s of this had bad sound quality so the Normanized version is a huge improvement.
Both this show and 7-8 had some major equipment issues and lots of delays which are gone now in the box release. But they made it right and it was the most amazing show I ever attended. Those Red Rocks have superb acoustics!

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Decent show, good energy, like the set list, but the distortion is terrible!
I’m with some others here: think 4/12is a much better played and sounding show, but I like 4/13 better? Weird?

Nice story 1stshow!
Those ones we missed it by this much…still drive me crazy!
Hell, probably more so now!

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set 2

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Hampton Coliseum

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Whoooaa, I didn’t see your post TN until AFTER I posted!
Great minds, lol

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Its been a while

I had a cassette of 10/9 set two early on

I must experience it again

"I need more time, Captain!!"

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Hampton Coliseum

You can't have one without the other.

We'll stick with that great minds thing Oro. Lol!

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...figure out...so it's SET 2 at the Fox Theater on 1978-04-11...
if it's the end or beginning,
terrapin

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Saw Jerry and the band at the Fox in Atlanta in April, 80. What a fantastic venue for a Dead show. The sun set, the band came on, the planetarium there is so cool. We left the atmosphere about third or 4th song, went out into deep space and came back, reentered the ozone and touched down right as the sun was about to rise. What a show and cemented my seat on the bus. Anyone else seen a dead show at the Fox?

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Wembley Empire Pool

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Rollin…cus ya cant have peanut butter without no jelly!
Holy crap, forgot how strong this show is! Phew…

Fox: still kicking myself PT for not at least going in and checking it out the 2 times we stayed across the street at the funky old Georgian Terrace for work.
Wonder if good ole Homeless Joe is still providing excellent concierge service on the corner? Lol
Yep, those Shriners didn’t mess around. I have seen some shows in cool theatre’s, but doubt they match the mighty Fox!

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10/11/89

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What a phenomenal show