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April 6, 2020 - 9:47am

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marye

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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January 24, 2022 - 10:53am

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daverock

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Before I go

I forgot to list my favourites - 11/10/67, 2/14/68, 2/28/69, 3/1/69, 5/2/70 - that 4 cd set from April 1971 Fillmore East - if I could only have one of the shows it would be 4/29/71. And 2 from 1972, as it's the year I play most often -5/26/72 and 9/21/72 are both ones I have played within the last month or so - and are both incredible. But there are so many from that year I could pick.
I haven't played any from 73 or 74 recently - but there is gold in them thar hills too.
January 24, 2022 - 9:23am

#2732

Oroborous

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POTD

Hit 1/23/70 etc, didn’t resonate as much as usual, but enjoyed. Hit RT 2.1 from 90 after, enjoyed that a little more on this occasion?
12/30/86 rollin…6/6/91 on the list…
January 24, 2022 - 7:02am

#2733

daverock

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Taking a liberty with the word classic

Doc - with those 1978 shows - Egypt and Winterland, I was thinking of them as being classics because of the surrounding circumstances, not the actual playing. I would agree that the Winterland shows in October 1978 are better than both. But Egypt has become legendary merely because it took place in Egypt...again, The Taping Compendium goes to town on them. Maybe its a case of - nice shows, shame about the music.
With Winterland 78, that seemed classic because again, you had Ken Kesey in the mix - and John Cipollina jamming away there. The Other One and Dark Star show up. All very legendary. Unfortunately none of these ingredients are actually all that good - the Dark Star and Other One are very pale compared to the great earlier ones. And John Cipollina doesn't look as though he knows quite what to do half the time. According to Lenny Kaye, in his recent book "Lightning Striking", when Cipollina played with Man in 1975 -"True to form, he is out of tune, as if tuning matters in his moving target of temprament." He was John Cipollina for chrissake.
But that Dead New Years 78 show feels like the end of an era to me.
January 24, 2022 - 6:13am

#2734

DeadVikes

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Dave's 19

Yes, great show, Honolulu. Jim, we did hit this one up within the last two months here, but, repeats are always welcome.

Thanks Doc.

Okay, I would like to offer up 6/6/91, Deer Creek. This is a good period for the Dead and very well recorded. Another Pearson Healy.

Oh and if you didn't listen to it yet, you should check out Otis's pick of 12/30/86, worth a listen, good show.
January 24, 2022 - 5:35am

#2735

billy the kiddd

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Hands down classics

2/14/68, 10/12/68, 2/27/69, 3/1/69 (the 1st set opener is hard to top from any era), 5/2/70. A short list, There are so many great shows after 5/2/70, but I don't listen to enough Dead music to really know which would be considered classics, I'll leave that to the pros around here.
January 24, 2022 - 4:46am

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Forensicdoceleven

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It takes a very deep-rooted opinion to survive unexpressed.....

LOL I feel like poking the bear this morning.............

Egypt? Not classic. The Winterland shows that followed----pretty fine, maybe semi-classic. 12/31/78? One Dark Star does not a classic make, especially if under rehearsed. Not classic, but pretty good--and big fun---New Year's show.

When it comes to classics, don't forget 10/12-13/68, 4/6/69, FW 2/70, 5/15/70, Port Chester Fall 70, 4/28/71, 11/7/71, 12/5/71, 5/3/72, 5/26/72. Well, I could on and on, but I'll stop now and maybe do some work...........

Doc
Men have an extraordinarily erroneous opinion of their position in nature; and the error is ineradicable.....
January 24, 2022 - 4:37am

#2737

Forensicdoceleven

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The universe is transformation: life is opinion............

Hey there rockers!!

Just one man's opinion:

The 8/27/72 Creamery Benefit is one of the greatest overrated shows ever. Granted, it has it's moments, but almost every E72 is better and many Fall 72 shows are equal or better. I think back in the day it acquired classic status based on the circumstances and the fact that it was one of the first widely circulated 1972 recordings.

Speaking of overrated, don't forget Cornell. LOL!!!!

One man gathers what another man spills.............

Rock on,

Doc
A man's opinion is in others; his being is in himself......
January 24, 2022 - 3:52am

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daverock

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The classics

Would it be fair to say that a classic show is one where they play a typical set list for the year, but to an exceptional standard?
Some shows seem to have attained "classic" status over the years. Shows that have been written about by acclaimed Deadheads, and which somehow seem more than the sum of their parts. All the obvious ones- 2/14/68, the Fillmore West shows from Spring 1969, Fillmore East February 1970, Binghampton 5/2/70 etc etc. On up to Winterland New Years Eve 1978, which plays like a grande finale to the 70's - 12 months early. Obviously a subjective view !

Egypt 1978 seem to me to be classic shows on account of their circumstances more than the bands actual playing. I do think the Veneta Fairgrounds show from August 1972 is exceptional...but I sometimes wonder if that has been accorded legendary status, to some extent, on account on its circumstances. There are pages and pages about it in the Deadheads Taping Compendium. Is it really so much better than lesser known shows from Fall 1972?
January 23, 2022 - 6:11am

#2739

JimInMD

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January 1970

Never enough 1970. I'm in. Been a while since I have listened to this one also. I'm expanding this to include 1/24 we we get an always welcome Mason's Children and Dancing in the Streets

Edit: We might have done this recently.. which is fine with me
January 23, 2022 - 5:06am

#2740

Forensicdoceleven

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Classics never make a comeback........

Fellow rockers!!

I forgot to put this out there...............

What is a classic show? Can it be defined? Is it based on facts, or feeling? I know what "my classics" are, what are yours? If there are too many, does the idea get diluted?

I'm interested in people's thoughts, in a conceptual sort of way............

Doc
Periodically, I return to the classics for inspiration and refreshment.......

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

68 and Loud

I completely agree.

On occasion and if I'm not careful volume gets the best of me. One day I might live to regret this. Thankfully, that day was not today.

A new one for me. Some sound weirdness especially in and around banter, but what the hey.

I don't know what it is, but I have soft spot for The Eleven, Born Cross-Eyed and especially New Potatoe Caboose. Good show with some vintage grease to end the night with me feeling a little dirtier than I did when I woke up.

If there's no pick for tomorrow, I suggest the next in line. It's a partial, starts with a rare Clementine. 1/20/68 Euraka Municipal Auditorium. I think we should set up a go fund me to find all the missing reels, there's a couple missing from this show. It would be something for them to be found.

4/30/88 at the Frost

Hey Jim, I know you have had a lot on you plate this year. Thanks for checking this one out. Yes, the recording is decent, not great. Like a lot of 88 recordings out there. Still think they have some good ones in the Vault.

I liked the show, anytime I see a Hey Pocky Way, I am in. Nice Shakedown to open the second set. Love the triple Encore with China Rider OMSN.

It is good to get out of the comfort zone once in a while Doc.

Carousel Ballroom 68, okay Jim, Ok will have to que it up this morning.

Enjoy the weekend out there.

Edit. Oh and after the carousel ballroom I will be moving on the 12/9/79, Dave's Picks #47. Love this one and I need some 79. If I had the keys, I would be putting out a big 79 Box.

Lewiston, for your consideration

44 years ago today, there when Roy Buchanan along with Levon and His All Stars opened for the Dead. My last in person show, on the bus since their first album, however things had changed so much.... Doc was there, a wild late summer scene, part of my farewell to Maine.

All is worthwhile if the soul is not small.....

Hey rockers!!

Yes, we were there and had a blast. Beautiful day and tremendous music. A very fine show by the Dead, one of my all-timefavorite in-person Dead experiences.

Would make a solide offical release. It is worthy......

Doc
Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile, I caught hell for.....

All is worthwhile if the soul is not small.....

Hey rockers!!

Yes, we were there and had a blast. Beautiful day and tremendous music. A very fine show by the Dead, one of my all-time favorite in-person Dead experiences.

Would make a solid official release. It is worthy......

Doc
Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile, I caught hell for.....

9/6/80

Hey DMCVT,

Love this show and will get it going again this weekend.

And yes, it would make a great releasen.

Pretty sweet you and Doc were there.

9/6/80 Lewiston

I'm in - hopefully sometime this weekend I can transport my mind and spirit into late summer beautiful day/evening Maine. Sounds like a dream show and setting. Very cool that a couple of you guys got to be there. Didn't realize this was the last show before the Warfield run. Long and heartfelt write up on grateful seconds (he was there). Comment at the end from a guy who was 8 at the time and lived a "bike trail" away from the fairgrounds. Listened to part of the show from his clubhouse. Rode his bike over and snuck in. Totally dug the Drums. Made major bank (for a kid) collecting cans and bottles for deposit afterwards (which is exactly what 8 yr old me would have done.) Think I might travel John Deere with the Jim Wise FOB.

Been Gone

But back this week. I can do Lewiston again.

As I recall there is not a good soundboard that circulates, right? And the one that does is first set only and it sure does sound like an audience (or ultramatrix on steroids at least).

High energy though.. like Gainesville, there must have been something in the water.

You have to wonder if this was recorded and if so where the hell are the master tapes? I think someone (Parrish??) tossed out the language that some of the master reels were left on the seat and when the truck pulled away they must have flown out the window or something.

I'd love to see more reels (and cassettes) returned.

Anyway, Lewiston Me for me tomorrow.

Edit: Started tonight - why not? Gave up on the "soundboard" and settled on the Jim Wise same as Bluecrow. Good news, Bluecrow.. The John Deere Broke down and was sitting in the yard for the last half of the week. I got it working today. Had to replace the solenoid. Damned electronics are always interfering with time travel. Just imagine if this broke back in time before Jebediah Solenoid created the first working model for riding mowers.. we would have been screwed.. I mean, nothing wrong with being stuck in 1980 but why not go back another 10 to 15 years...

High energy is right. Pretty good audience.

Follow-Up

While I was in the neighborhood, I took a quickie with 11/28/80 Lakeland Civic Center - Lakeland, FL (30 Trips).

I figured why not.. most enjoyable, especially To Lay Me Down. Not sure why I like that song so much, but I do.

More 1980

Ah, yes, more 1980. You don't have to twist my arm. A shorter show for the time period, but still really good. Will get it going after I finish up Dicks #36, which was mentioned on some other threads. Such a great show, but apparently didn't sell well at the time. No idea why.

My Favorite Non-Multi-Track 1980 Release

Random Musing - 1980

My favorite non-multi-track 1980 release has got to be Dave's # 8, 11/30/80 Fox Theater. Love how that Matrix worked out. If anyone remembers the seaside chat, he was spot on.

Crowd noise was not as big an issue in 1980 as they could play in some pretty intimate venues. Also, as the age of the cassette master replaced the lovely Ms. Cantor Jackson, a lot of those early soundboards are a bit sterile sounding without the crystalline highs and the booming lows. Blending those early 80's soundboards with one of those near perfect audience masters works. When they aged out of the smaller, cooler venues (thinking after Jerry's coma and In The Dark) audience tapes had to compete with hundreds of the guy next to you screaming "JERRY!!" at 95 decibels, this was no longer possible.

That SBD/Dr. Bob matrix is almost exactly perfect (or as good we are going to get for the time).

On the opposite side of the same coin, I think some of the Ultra Matrix's have a bit too much of the guy yelling JERRY! then I sometimes want to hear. Thinking a lot of 87 suffers from this, and by then the audience tapes were no better.

Anyway, if Mr. Norman can pull of similar wizardry I wish they would do more like DaP#8.