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    Obeah - here's an edited/slightly reworked version of what I posted on another forum years ago. I'd go for the GEMS SBD remaster (152924). Not as jammed out as some '74 but there is some really and truly, very fine, music here (sound of Oro's foot tapping.) The Dark Star jam is unlike any out there and I really really dig it.

    Ca. 1997/98 – I was living in a small desert town. First worked here summer of ’95 and it was here that I first learned of Jerry’s passing (and still here 25+ years later). Jim, a long time resident (moved away years ago) and fellow Deadhead (saw Vegas Ice Palace ’69 I think) mentioned that a friend had come through town and left a list of tapes he had to trade/share. The friend was a river runner out of Flagstaff, would be back through town in a week or so. Jim invited me to take a look at the list and see if there was anything I wanted. It was a short list – all that I remember at this point is that it had the International Amphitheatre show, 7/25/74, complete show, an audience rated at C-. The show was unknown to me and, as a favorite year and a Chicago boy at heart (born and raised north suburbs), I asked for that one.

    One night a little while later the river runner friend came back through town. I remember standing outside in the summer dark talking to him for maybe 10-20 minutes, he only stopped to drop off tapes. It turned out that he had taped the show himself and it was the only show he ever taped. A cheap deck with the microphones hanging over the balcony railing (IIRC). He had talked to Phil outside the back door before the show and Phil had big time dosed him. Said that Phil sat on a stool for part of the show. He got all wide-eyed with nostalgic awe when he recalled the Ship of Fools encore – clearly the song had been a major religious experience. I think he handed me his masters to make a copy (or maybe he just dropped off a copy?), saying he would pick them up from our mutual friend on the way back through town. Don’t recall his name and never saw him again.

    Listening to the tapes you felt like you were way in the back of a cavernous space. To me, C- was possibly a generous grade, but with a pair of cheap headphones (all my gear was cheap at the time) - listening in the dark in the middle of the high desert night - you could be there, and for a poor boy in the backwoods of tapes it was a cool listen. I dubbed a couple of copies and sent one to Jeff, a close friend, who was back in the Chicago area – at the time he was managing Dr. Wax (a chain of several used record/CD stores/Jeff also founded and ran a niche record label Quinnah Records) A little while later Jeff calls me, all excited. “Where did you get this?? This is the only known recording of this show currently in circulation!!!” Circulation was a relative term in this case. Turns out Jeff had reached out/was in contact with the gentlemen who were putting together the first Tapers Compendium and, connected as they were, they knew of no other recordings of this show. The Compendium folks wanted him to review the tapes/show for the Compendium, but in the end it was too late because the book had just gone into galley(?) and it was too much trouble to revise it. This is the only ’74 show not reviewed/completely missing from the first edition Tapers Compendium Vol I.

    A bunch of high-end traders contacted Jeff requesting copies. When Jeff asked one what his opinion of the tapes were, the gentleman replied that it was pretty rough and that basically it was for completists only, but of course it had a heretofore uncirculated Dark Star with a Slipknot tease, which was everything you needed to know right there. This may have been at the time the only uncirculated Dark Star post-1970. Another commented that he thought he knew the person who might have the soundboard reels (or copies of them) but that they were holding them close. The SBD recording finally entered public circulation a few years later and Dave Lemieux (I raise a toast, or two or three, or more, in his honor) has featured portions of this show a time or three, I think, in the Jam of the Week and/or the Tapers Section/and 30 days of the Dead. So the masters are in the vault. The audience has never been uploaded to the archive.

    It makes me smile that this show first resurfaced from the depths of time (relatively speaking) in this dusty, high desert, town.

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    1972 was some great concerts in some out-of-the way places

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    Rise and shine lil Pedro
    Bfast in bed wiff the GD

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    Passed in Tacoma at 81

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    Disc 4 of "Unlabled 1968 GD"

    Saint Stephen >
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    The SS is a very early version

    Edit
    Theres info about this on e t r e e

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    ...a small bit of squawking or is it squonking...someone recently mentioned Ornette Coleman with the Boys in 1993...anyway PHILA 1973 SEPT 21 Set 2 should fill the jones with guests Martin Fiero & Joe Ellis

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    Lyceum Theatre

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    7 19 90

    I was listening to 7 18 90 earlier today and it just felt "meh".

    7 19 90 already has a springy bouncy energy 2nd song in.

    Very interesting

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    Sounds good.

    The show could be cleaned up and included in next year’s 30TATS -The Sequel Box.

    Yes Crow, I enjoyed 7-25-74.
    And I just finished playing 5-14-74 in the car (took a few days). Definitely a step up from 5-12-74.

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    9/14/74 plus

    Plus omg, 9/11/74. Had not HEARD this one complete before, Doah!
    Felt like it was the most consistent overall of the three nights? and has another sweet 74 PITB, but the P&N through Rat sequence…OMG, tiss the shite mate!
    If you haven’t heard, and like big weirdness ala 72/73, you MUST check out at least from PITB onward…through the fog!

    7/25/74. OBEAH, ole Bluecrow always be giving us the goodness!
    And 5/14, one of my favs of the year, 74 DS, come on…scary moons 😳

    BC, Betting you’ve heard about 51, so other than that, I’d say you missed nothing ; )
    I too, waiting impatiently for 7/25….hear sound of foot tapping…

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Jiminmd - yes, thanks for pointing that out - 10/19/73 is of course Dicks 19 - I played 9/21/72 - number 36 immediately before it. I'm lucky enough to have both on vinyl - a surplus of great records. I haven't got to the Dark Star-MLB-Morning Dew from the 73 show yet. It's split over two sides which might not suit everyone, but I'm okay with it. More than okay!

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...on 1971-08-26 the Bronx of NYC;
as I found 2 old cassettes of this one over the weekend,
and to stay active on my GOGD history, revisiting this show on the archive (#32351) for today's history lesson...

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...y'all know what I mean, right?...I know Doc does!

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(thanks Dennis!) ... wouldn't it have been great if Jerry & the boys slipped in some of Marley's "jammin" whilst doing so?! Would be just like them, actually. Along these lines, anyone heard the Raggae compilation of GD tunes called "Fire on the Mountain....."? It's alot of fun for a little changeup.......tcc

10.25.73 Dane County Coliseum show, interesting twists second set. Very pleased to find full video on the archive of The Brothers concert at MSG from March of 2020 after which the pandemic shut down everything immediately. Great guitar from Warren and Derek, no surprise, the ABB catalog played superbly.

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I've often wondered about that Turlock thing, too. Weir made that remark numerous times, so it doesn't seem like just an offhand reference in which he could've inserted the name of any old no name town. (ie, "number one in Cucamonga" or El Centro or whatever).

I imagined maybe there was a radio station there that played lots of Bakersfield country (Turlock is down that way), and I even went so far as to look that up. But if there was a station, it's long gone.

So I guess Turlock just stuck in Bobby's mind, for some reason. I've driven through half a million times, because it's on I-5, and you pretty much have to go through there if you're traveling from SF to LA, as one does many times if lives in Cali. But I don't think I've ever stopped, and I can't remember a damn thing about the place. Other than that they love Truckin'. Which means they're probably pretty darn A-OK.

3-19-73 is a killer, for sure. Just like practically everything I've ever heard from '73. What an epic year.

What am I listening to right this second? Aaron Copland's piano concerto. (It's morning at La Casa del Crow, still drinkin me coffee.) Very jazzy and dissonant.

@topchinacat: I have both CD volumes of the Fire on the Mountain Dead reggae covers. The songs are done by the absolute legends of roots reggae. I read a story about the sessions where the artists came in never having heard the songs once before and rocked them in one take. I bought these in the mid-90s when I was new to reggae and since have accumulated a ton. That said, these covers hold up really well and still sound great today on their own or in any roots reggae mix.

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4/29/77

Unusual set list

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Today should be holiday, but December 7th isn't either so...
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Heading down this afternoon for Watermelon Wednesday at the West Whately Chapel, evening show with Mr. Sun. Darol and Grant both played with Grisman, with Joe K Walsh on mando and Aidan on bass equals acoustic ecstasy in a 90 seat venue.

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Been thinking I need to spend some time with the In and Out of the Garden box.

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These shows have grown on me with each additional listen.

How's that saying go? The best version is always the last one played or something like that?

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43 years ago ( along with a lot of other folks who post here on this forum) I was at the Greek Theatre for an absolute knockout of a show. Definitely my favorite show at the Greek, and my favorite run at the Greek. Hopefully one day we will get a Greek Box set.. Great audience tape on the Archive

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...ladies & gentlemen, the finest band in the land...
Sept 3rd 1977 Englishtown :)
luv that intro!

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np - Space > The Wheel

(Wheel > China Doll??!! Wat is happening?!)

Edit - had to break out the tattered cover DeadBase for some research. Wheel > China Doll played three other shows and 2 of these have also been released: 1) 5/19/77 Fox Theatre (Atlanta), released as DiP 29 - first China Doll post-hiatus; 2) 11/30/80 Fox Theatre (Atlanta) released as DaP 8; 3) 5/10/86 Frost.

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43 years ago today you know where I was at, that's right the Greek Theatre. What a cool show. Starting with a rocking Shake Down Street, what a blast!

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...kicking off the weekend with some SAX...
Sept 10 1991 @ Madison Square Garden, NYC

...love to shake it on shakedown street!

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...you just gotta poke around!

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I sat down after a day of chores and lifting/moving stuff

Before i click tv to notre dame v purdue

I guess "52 to 6"

Game comes on
ND 66 Purdue 7

Pretty, pretty good, PF

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Good stuff

Also

Surreal film
"Hundreds of Beavers"
A trip
Worth a watch
Saw it last night

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Spinning now.

Downhill From Here before that.

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9/24/76 for this puppy. Maybe not the best Fall 76 show out there, but still good stuff. The highlight here is the run of songs from Blues For Allah, leading up to Stella Blue in the second set. They sang pretty in 1976, and Slipknot features an nice jam - albeit cut up by drums.

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And a cup (2nd of the day) of super dark roast Columbian Supremo.

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One of 2 shows in DiP 29 - a bounty of riches!!
First of four Wheel > China Doll and marks the return of China Doll post hiatus
oh yeah Disc 3 - Terrapin > Playing > Uncle John's > Drums > Wheel > China Doll > Playing

It’s the anniversary.

DP 9, released in 1997.
Sounded great in 1997, but can’t compare to the sound quality we’re getting now.
And then Plangent makes it even better.
Looking forward to the April ‘78 Box.

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‘I Kept These Old Blues’ - Muireann Bradley. Saw this mentioned in an article in the latest Mojo magazine. As she says in the article you can hear her guitar playing improve as the album progresses. The album was released in late 2023 and had been recorded over the past three years, the tracks are in chronological order.

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On BC's recommendation doing disc 3 of the 5-19-77 Fox Theater to get going on this rainy morning. Wife is out shopping and no one will complain if I turn it up a bit. Checkers the cat does twitch his ears sometimes when Donna does her Playin' thing.
Cheers

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Glad Bluecrow's post got others to play 5/19/77. To this day it remains a "desert island" tape for me. If I'm having a bad day I can just pop in Set I, and that Promised Land + Sugaree one-two will set me straight. And there is just something about the flow of Set II that really works for me.

There aren't that many shows from 1977 that I am always in the mood to hear *from start to end.* 2/26, 3/20, and 10/2 all come to mind. And of course 5/19... that 2nd night at the Fox just seems to have a special vibe. For me, anyway.

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...trouble behind...
November 20 1973 denver coliseum

it should be stated that this show overall, upside out or inside down, and just all around... it's da sheet
long live the GOGD's MUSIC!

Peace for All!
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Hey rockers!

Boston Music Hall 12/1/71. Because it's fun stuff...............

I guess I started too early because I just thought it was something fun to do......

Rock on!

Doc
It's fun wandering around other people's minds......

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Merriweather Post Pavilion Sept 1989
35 years now... it doesn't seem that long ago

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Not literally what I am listening to right now - that music you can hear in the background is volume 28 Complete Motown Singles Vol 6- 1966. If you have never heard "One More Heartache" by Marvin Gaye - well, I don't know what to think. Brilliant record.

30 minutes ago I finished the brand new vinyl copy of 2/11/69, which is really good. A great sound - the double drum and bass sounds really powerful - as does Jerry's guitar playing. The acoustic guitars sound crisp and clear too. Highly recommended. As for the actual show - shows to be more accurate as these are basically 2 support slots in anticipation of Janis Joplin coming on. The first show sounds a bit like The Dead with a safety catch on - great stuff, but a bit clipped - certainly compared to 2/27/69 - 3/2/69 shows. During St Stephen, the safety catch seems to have fallen off and it explodes. So much so that, despite winding down with the "We Bid You Good night" encore they come back and do another one. The intro to Cosmic Charlie could slice the top of your head off. Pity it cuts after a minute or two..but no matter. A great snapshot of The Dead playing two concise sets, in superb sound during a ground breaking year. I'm really glad I got this one.

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...at the County Coliseum for a bit of texas style GD (is there such a thing?)
November 23 1973

china > with some big smiles > rider

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New Haven, CT

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...the weekend with AM Dew from
November 30th 1973
Dick's #14
and then will move 180 degrees
onto the other side
with MSG 9/20/93 set 2 (friend of the devils space)
great memories of that evening

y'all enjoy your Oktoberfest (begins Saturday) weekend,
and looking forward to your Devil's box updates next week

Peace for All!
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Hey rockers!!!

Well, today IS September 20, so you can imagine what I'm listening to. Simply put, one of the greatest Dead shows ever!!!

Is time our invention, or is time a real thing... I realize we're measuring it, but in the cosmic scheme of things, is there really time?

Rock on!

Doc
Wheels of fire, cosmic, rich, full-bodied honest victories over desperation.......

8 16 91
First two discs ok with some treats, but no real wood inducement
Third disc some great stuff while i made chocolate chip cookie bars

Now disc 3 of 8 17 89
First two discs ok
Third disc has an interesting Space > Wheel intro > Space > Wheel

What a band

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It and 9 19 70

A nice pair THAT SHOULD GET RELEASED!!!

I truly feel that if those are in the vault they would have been released by now

C'est la vie

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If I had a time machine I'd go back to July 1970 and offer to substitute for Bear. What a time for him to have his bail revoked! So much amazing music was about to break over the scene.

God bless all the tapers who captured what they did... not to mention the house crew at the Fillmore East, who got those board/PA feed recordings from the 18th and 19th. I mean, maybe they got they other two nights taped as well, but if so those recordings don't seem to have survived. As it is, what circulates isn't complete, and those in the know suspect the masters are long gone, too. What remains would be 1st gen reels at best. If those reels ever get into Norman's hands for release, the product will have to have one of those disclaimers like we used to get with the early "from the Vault" and Dick's Picks releases.

To which I say: fine by me! Please make it happen Dave and Rhino. We ain't getting any younger out here... and it's been 54 years. You could make this next year's box set, double the run to 20,000 copies, and it would still sell out FAST. (Side note: I'd love to see what Jeffrey Norman could do to fix the flanging on Caution, which I am listening to as I type this ramble.)

I agree with Obeah - I think it would be great if these shows were officially released, even if they are incomplete and in less than optimum sound quality. It would be a pity if great music from the past was overlooked simply because it doesn't meet modern recording standards. I have some great live recordings by other bands and artists that are audience recordings. Not great for first time buyers - but that isn't the market here anyway.

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Barton Hall

I've heard this show many times on the lots and in the years since at home. I was rolling through this box set while waiting for the new one, so what the hell. This is a great show, but I still think Buffalo and Hartford are better May '77 shows.