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  • Oroborous
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    Hitting warp drive: P&N>PITB….oh my 😱

    Maybe rehash 7/25 later…been kinda trying to save it for, ya know….

  • uncle_tripel
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    thank you...

    ...to BLUECROW for the history on July 25, 1974; I always wondered why it was missing from the Compendium.
    I have a Charlie M DL which was burned to CD many years ago, and I eventually lost that DL to an external HD failure,
    and now thru the power of tech (CD>iTunes>phone) resides on my phone.
    So without further elaboration, I'm grabbing some coffee and headphones, and I'll be taking off for the 50th anniversary of Chicago's International Ampitheater.

    Peace All!
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    btw: a galley is a proofread signed-off final copy of a manuscript that's approved to be reproduced to a printing plate which is then provided to a printing press in book manufacturing

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    I just realized that tomorrow is the 50th of International Amphitheater 7-25-74 Chicago, IL.

    Proceed accordingly.

    Edit: glad folks here appreciate the story - thank you friends. It was yet another (very) strange occurrence in the desert here and not even the only one that was GOGD related.

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    The goodness continues…

    Edit: thanks BC! That’s an great tale and being aaaaa, “memory challenged” lol, it was nice to refresh. Yes indeed, wonder what else might be “lost” out there?

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    6-20-80 Gans-Miller.25469

    Sounds pretty good, has potential to sound even better after being polished up.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    Grate story BC

    Wonder if there were other tapers who never released copies.

    Release the SBD Dave.

    Yes, I listened to the Dark Star>Slipknot theme twice.

  • 1stshow70878
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    Thanks BC

    For the taper story.
    Legendary indeed.
    Cheers

  • bluecrow
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    9/14/74 - Olympia Halle, Munich

    Oro on his ongoing trip through '74 had me revisit this overlooked show from Europe '74. (David Usborne matrix). Parts of the SBD are missing but don't be deterred, there's some great playing on this one!

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    Obeah - here's an edited/slightly reworked version of what I posted on another forum years ago. I'd go for the GEMS SBD remaster (152924). Not as jammed out as some '74 but there is some really and truly, very fine, music here (sound of Oro's foot tapping.) The Dark Star jam is unlike any out there and I really really dig it.

    Ca. 1997/98 – I was living in a small desert town. First worked here summer of ’95 and it was here that I first learned of Jerry’s passing (and still here 25+ years later). Jim, a long time resident (moved away years ago) and fellow Deadhead (saw Vegas Ice Palace ’69 I think) mentioned that a friend had come through town and left a list of tapes he had to trade/share. The friend was a river runner out of Flagstaff, would be back through town in a week or so. Jim invited me to take a look at the list and see if there was anything I wanted. It was a short list – all that I remember at this point is that it had the International Amphitheatre show, 7/25/74, complete show, an audience rated at C-. The show was unknown to me and, as a favorite year and a Chicago boy at heart (born and raised north suburbs), I asked for that one.

    One night a little while later the river runner friend came back through town. I remember standing outside in the summer dark talking to him for maybe 10-20 minutes, he only stopped to drop off tapes. It turned out that he had taped the show himself and it was the only show he ever taped. A cheap deck with the microphones hanging over the balcony railing (IIRC). He had talked to Phil outside the back door before the show and Phil had big time dosed him. Said that Phil sat on a stool for part of the show. He got all wide-eyed with nostalgic awe when he recalled the Ship of Fools encore – clearly the song had been a major religious experience. I think he handed me his masters to make a copy (or maybe he just dropped off a copy?), saying he would pick them up from our mutual friend on the way back through town. Don’t recall his name and never saw him again.

    Listening to the tapes you felt like you were way in the back of a cavernous space. To me, C- was possibly a generous grade, but with a pair of cheap headphones (all my gear was cheap at the time) - listening in the dark in the middle of the high desert night - you could be there, and for a poor boy in the backwoods of tapes it was a cool listen. I dubbed a couple of copies and sent one to Jeff, a close friend, who was back in the Chicago area – at the time he was managing Dr. Wax (a chain of several used record/CD stores/Jeff also founded and ran a niche record label Quinnah Records) A little while later Jeff calls me, all excited. “Where did you get this?? This is the only known recording of this show currently in circulation!!!” Circulation was a relative term in this case. Turns out Jeff had reached out/was in contact with the gentlemen who were putting together the first Tapers Compendium and, connected as they were, they knew of no other recordings of this show. The Compendium folks wanted him to review the tapes/show for the Compendium, but in the end it was too late because the book had just gone into galley(?) and it was too much trouble to revise it. This is the only ’74 show not reviewed/completely missing from the first edition Tapers Compendium Vol I.

    A bunch of high-end traders contacted Jeff requesting copies. When Jeff asked one what his opinion of the tapes were, the gentleman replied that it was pretty rough and that basically it was for completists only, but of course it had a heretofore uncirculated Dark Star with a Slipknot tease, which was everything you needed to know right there. This may have been at the time the only uncirculated Dark Star post-1970. Another commented that he thought he knew the person who might have the soundboard reels (or copies of them) but that they were holding them close. The SBD recording finally entered public circulation a few years later and Dave Lemieux (I raise a toast, or two or three, or more, in his honor) has featured portions of this show a time or three, I think, in the Jam of the Week and/or the Tapers Section/and 30 days of the Dead. So the masters are in the vault. The audience has never been uploaded to the archive.

    It makes me smile that this show first resurfaced from the depths of time (relatively speaking) in this dusty, high desert, town.

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    1972 was some great concerts in some out-of-the way places

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TN John - very cool! (a bc bday show not that I was there.) my FOTDs box set is crossing the Great Basin right now (i think) based on tracking. Hopefully by Tuesday next week.

6/14/94 - iwt and got here listening today via a circuitous route of JOTM (from 3/11/93 Rosemont) drive home last night which has a late period Masterpiece and this morning (gestures wildly) somehow saw the set list here and thinking "wow" I saw a Masterpiece in 94. And from there Set I etc. Very unusual set list Set II and a really fun and fine well played show. Posting now because Set II leads off with 45 second structured drumz intro to Victim and it caught my ears as something I had "never" heard (despite being there!) Victim into Lazy River Road. And then the second Samba In The Rain, which I will unabashedly say sounded great that night, totally new to me, and strong cool memory of Phil/Bob/Jerry/Vince singing the chorus and it rocked. Samba > Trucking > and a super chill That Would Be Something into drumz. Those late era shows in Seattle Memorial Coliseum kicked it.

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Sounds grate on my new speakers and subwoofer.

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Whadja get?
And what is powering them?
Cheers

Starting the box today.

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At the risk of joining said society, I like the points you made, Daverock. I'm thinking of some live Quicksilver I had on cassette - absolutely ferocious playing, but the recording was not up to modern standards. Eminently listenable, though, and it broadened my mind to what that group was capable of. Or that Pink Floyd stuff from early '72, some early Doors stuff... that early '67 Thirteenth Floor Elevators concert (I think it later got released properly)...

So those Sept 1970 Fillmore recordings, what exists of them, should absolutely be made available to the public after Dr. Norman takes his best shot. "What's to lose / We're NOT confused/ You can call this set / The Fillmore East blues."

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RP-500M II speakers
R-120SW subwoofer
12 gauge 99.9% copper speaker wire

Powered by a Cambridge Audio AXR100 receiver.

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Live At The Roxy (Hollywood - 5/26/76)

Been thinking for a long while that I need to upgrade my system in certain key points. Slowly making my way to that move. Thanks for sharing ConeKid.

The model I got is over 50% off because it has been replaced with a newer model.
12-inch sub is spectacular.
I highly recommend it as does Vguy.
Grab one while you can.

The speakers were also on sale. They are really nice. I would also recommend them, and they’re still on sale.

Nice at the time

Will listen again someday

I was so glad they were in Seattle (first time since 1983)...Tacoma 88 kinda counts....

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8 18 89

Then 8 19 89
Warlocks 89
3 10 81
10 30 73
Europe 90

With April 78 sprinkled here and there

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9/18/87 MSG

Before that was 5/2/70 and

February 13 &14, 1970 that I now have in my collection thanks to a kind and generous person! :)

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The bonus disc that came out with After Midnight - JGB at Kean College 2/28/80.

Kick ass little disc, 4 songs from next night 2/29 (a leap year!) and 1 from 3/1. I got to thinking how "freaking good" this sounded compared to, say, some 1980 GD sbds and on an old Steve Hoffman forum thread heralding and dedicated to the After Midnight release it mentions that Kean is from 24 track tapes(!!) and I'm like what the heck is going on that a JGB show at Kean is being recorded with a 24 track rig?? And yes I'm very thankful that it was so beautifully recorded. The After Midnight > Eleanor Rigby > After MIdnight from Kean enters a musical space that is crazy beautiful and otherworldly and that pretty much has me with tears in my eyes every time.

They are a strange beast in a way. When I started going to concerts, back in 1972, the music was only part of the experience of going. All sorts of things happen when you go to a live gig - especially when you are young. Live recordings omit all that other stuff, and all you get is the music played, presented in isolation. I wonder if this is partly why late period Dead shows are popular - if you were there you can fill in the gaps. If you weren't, they might not sound as special because they lack that "x" factor of experience.

As opposed to 2/13/70, 2/14/70 and 5/2/70 - some of the best live shows of all time. You don't need to have been there to enjoy those recordings - you just need a pulse.

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Do we like 2/28 or 3/1 better?

For some of the later GD shows, you can feel the energy of the room and those are the ones I like.
Maybe its just Healy's recordings but not always...

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...you will find me on a marathon listening party
of the HC Sunshine Box...
beginning at Des Moines State Fairgrounds
May 13th 1973 :)

everyone have a GRATE week!

Peace for All!
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That lil' 5-song disc is indeed lovely! Just a fun bonus to have in the collection.

Live Recordings do have all of that extra "metadata" if you were in attendance. I can picture the Dragon dance/parades from Lunar New Year shows; the costumes at Halloween; the shimmering desert air in Las Vegas; the central lot at Shoreline back when you could arrive early and get your vehicle in there; and so on.

My younger brother is just old enough to have seen a few Grateful Dead shows, but he doesn't like collecting shows and he really won't listen to live GD *unless* there's a video. He wants to see the musicians and the crowd and the venue. He was the person who first turned me on to Christopher Hazard's channel because that's his jam.

In a way, listening to the Dead-live recordings-is something of a disembodied experience for me. I don't relate the shows to physical events that actually existed - which may be strange as Phil once said in interview, around the time of going to Egypt, that place was important in influencing the show. Apart from the shows caught on video, every show I listen to takes place at the same place, which is my living room. With one attender.

One of the best listening experiences was during my one and only trip to America during the summer of 1990. We were on a "fly drive" holiday exploring the West Coast of America. I only took one tape - 9/28/72 - and it was great listening while driving (( being driven to be exact - I couldn't drive then) through all that amazing countryside. The music really did seem to reflect the country - not the people living in it at that time, but the actual landscape.
I can also remember listening to "Playing in the Band " from this show as we drove over the Golden Gate Bridge.

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...started with
May 20 1973
at UC Santa Barbara stadium

really enjoying garcia's
1st set guitar work vs. yesterday
at Des Moines State Fairgrounds

Peace for All!
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I like to remind myself of the date, year, and venue. Hear the room and picture it in my head while I listen. I only saw the Grateful Dead in the 90s towards the end.

I avoid videos though, too "restrictive" maybe...

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of the HC Sunshine box
may 26 1973
at the Kezar Stadium

and based on this day's supporting acts
...of a country vibe?

Make Love Not War

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8 19 89

The Other One is hot hot hot

Everything else just ok

I have listened to A LOT of 89 90 91 stuff over the past few months

I think it's time to switch to the HCS box a la UT

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...more please...of course!
HC Sunshine Box :)

can't help but smile
when you begin a new day with the music of the GOGD

June 9th 1973
in Washington, DC
at the Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium

Make Love Not War

Peace for All!
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Someone ( Joey?) on here mentioned 6/8/77 recently, so I decided to give that a spin to tee myself up for the box. I tend to overlook this box a bit. Great show from beginning to end. I followed that up with 6/9 - which didn't get me quite like the previous night until the Help-Slipknot-Franklins jam. Truly the spirit takes over here- surely one of the best, if not the best, version of this triumvirate ever played.

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I'm finishing up the second show in the box and will start the third....there has been a couple, few stand out tunes so far I think, like the Wharf Rat on 4/6, fine playing during the second half.

June 1977

I had been listening to that Dave, I have the CDs in my possession finally thanks to someone here. (I did have a digital copy before) Those are just grate shows, everything is spectacular! I love 6/8 I think it might be the best eighth of a month of 1977 ;) and maybe even better than any other eighth day of a month ever? Okay no, too far, there is 11/8/69, 4/8/72, 9/8/73 ect....

Anyway, I had wanted to keep listening to the June 1977 stuff but after going through it twice I switched to 1970 because felt like 6/77 was a little too close to 4/78.

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Getting through 1st set.
More impressed with the 4-6 1st set.
But lots left to go.
(edit, 2nd set is making up for it!)
Sound is still great.
Rocking the smaller system this morning.
Little speakers but big sound!
Cheers

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I'm currently listening to the second set of this Warfield show. I listened to the acoustic set yesterday but got rudely interrupted by life so couldn't finish it, lol! Rat in a drain ditch...so so good!

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I'm currently listening to the second set of this famous show. I listened to the acoustic set yesterday but got rudely interrupted by life so couldn't finish it, lol! Nothing left to do!

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Foolish Heart

Very nice

Now...gotta get into that HCS box...

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Good thinking Joey. I've decided to drop down a few years for the sake of variety - and landed on 9/18/74 from 30 Years. At first it sounded very thin, coming out of June 1977. A bit rinky dink. Demonic country picking by Jerry apart, it took a few songs to adjust to. I've only listened to the first cd so far, which does finish with a soulful To Lay Me Down. The best is yet to come, as the saying went.

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I'm currently listening to the vinyl companion that came along with the graphic biography of the early Grateful Dead, Origins. It's a single-disc recording from the Fillmore West, 8/21/68. Side A: Dark Star -> St. Stephen Side B: The Eleven -> Death Don't Have No Mercy.

I have only listened to it a couple of times before, it strikes me listening again this time that the highlight is really Death Don't Have No Mercy. The band is really tight and in sync, both technically and emotionally. There are lots of quiet moments and loud moments in the song, and Jerry's guitar works screams like a man in pain and sorrow.

I prefer listening to 70s-era and Brent-era GD simply because their repertoire is so much larger than it was in the 60s, but there is such a raw, energetic sound to their earlier work as well that I really love. Aside from this single-disc release and Two From The Vault there isn't any other live material from them available on vinyl that I know of, I wish they would release more.

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JFCattlet74.....not exactly, but as close as damnit is 11/10/67 that was included in the 30 Trips box. That one came out in vinyl shortly afterwards, and sounds superb. As you probably know, this was one of the shows that was recorded and used as a basis for Anthem of the Sun, and it has all the hallmarks of a great 1968 show.

Speaking of which, 2/14/68 would go down well on vinyl. I think they have steered clear of Road Trips for vinyl so far - something of an untapped resource there.
I would also have snapped up 8/21/68 on vinyl if I had known where to get it.

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There is 69 vinyl.
FW69 which was Plangentized (the CD’s were not, so the vinyl is a remaster) and 4-26%,27-69 DP26.

My Mom's favorite band after she and Dad saw Pete and his band play live in New Orleans (1969?).

And that reminded me of the David Crosby interview where he called the Dead "psychedelic Dixieland.'

Seems about right!

"Walk out of any doorway
Feel your way, feel your way like the day before
Maybe you'll find direction
Around some corner where it's been waiting to meet you"

Not forgetting the above treasure trove that came out on vinyl fairly recently. Again, highly recommended, both for the music played and the sound quality. "180 gram audiophile vinyl" it says on the spine of the record, and it sounds like it.

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A true legend

He got screwed over

Charlie Hustle

Way back in 1975 I went to a Cubs game vs. the Reds...went down toward the field pregame

Here is Johnny Bench Dave Concepcion and Pete Rose warming up

That was cool to a 6th grader

Still cool to me now

He so much deserved to be in the Hall of Fame

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Not a sports fan at all, will watch super bowl and world series with group, but really don't care.

I felt sorry for Pete Rose, I feel I heard a story about wife abusers being allowed into the hall of fame, but not Pete?

On another note, I have a new favorite song. Maybe a bunch of you have heard of him, but I hadn't, Jelly Roll. He was on Saturday Night Live this weekend and did a tune called "Winning Streak". A search of "Jelly Roll - Winning Streak (Live on SNL)" will pull it up. It's a tune about a alcoholic going to his first AA meeting.

One of the best refrain lines EVER

I was so ashamed to be in this seat, til I met a man who was 20 years clean
He said, 'Everybody here's felt the same defeat. Nobody walks through these doors on a winning streak.'

Check it out. Hope you find it as good as I do.

And, no, I've never had an addiction or been to any sort of meeting.

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JAX - middle of 1st set.
(edit - nice Estimated/Eyes in 2nd set)
Still most impressed with 4-6-78 so far.
Glad I got this box, I have skipped some.
Cheers

Recent listens:
Fleetwood Mac - Future Games LP
Teruo Nakamura - Manhattan Special LP (with Herbie Hancock)
Pat Martino - Joyous Lake LP
4-6-78 Tampa
4-7-78 Hollywood

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Hoping it’s as good as I recall…
4/10 was not, in fact, bit of a dog, perhaps worst so far?
Not a bad show, just more inconsistent and several notable flubberies etc…
Let’s find out ; )
Onward!

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nothing has really caught fire for me (I am jumping around in the sequence)

however

4/14/78 before work today sounded hot.

also:

in the car I am listening to 10/8/89

good stuff
really good stuff

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I’m going in order and will do 4-15 next to see (hear) how it compares to the Box.

I like 4-10 and 11 a lot, but they’re also burned into my synapses from having them on cassette and then CD-R.

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4 11 78

When i first heard it back in later 80s I was amazed at the post drumz sequence. I didnt know they had done it.

Nowadays its like "cool"
Back then it was like "wow!"

At the moment
4 14 78 looks Like Rain (never one of my favorites)

Due to holiday no need to go to work so plenny o' GD

Yay!

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here we go! set 1 was okay! I like where set 2 is going...

Samson oh yeah!! Lions Den for sure!! Growls...

Music swinging!!

The Natives are restless!

That was fun!

Love them while you can, for someday they'll be gone.

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Previously, Only heard this one once, thought it was good but overshadowed by the 11, 15 and 16th…let’s see after proper sit down if it matches the hype…

Think 4/11 was tops so far, but 4/6 seemed to stand out too. These shows are sneaky good. Meaning sometimes you have to wait for it. The dynamics are often impressive. Not freight train Dead like you might expect from this period, but often nice subtle build ups/peaks. You can tell their having fun, getting loose and digging the smaller venues.
Really tasty when their all in sync etc, (sometimes the looseness is a tad much) and 4/11 is a good example of being synced up!
And DG has been improving nicely as the tour has progressed and has some real moments here.
That Sunrise is one of the most powerful I’ve heard, and some songs she’s carrying the lead vocals. Meaning on shared vocals, she is often the strongest most consistent, which allows J &B more latitude.
And the sound is great on all so far, but I too will compare with 37, which I recall is the benchmark of this tour…

I do understand 4winds “cymbal” comments. Don’t have torrents to compare, but they aren’t prevalently splashing all over so ?…
It doesn’t seem like an issue to me, and probably wouldn’t notice it if I wasn’t trying to…guessing mastering, probably added some shimmer to the torrents versus some noise reduction, tape restoration, age etc, or, perhaps artifacts from different machines used to record copies from the masters, versus Bettys reel decks and masters…

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No where in the notes does it state any noise reduction was used in the reel recording of any of the shows in the box.

Will be doing the 15th tomorrow!

Going to have to listen to the 11th again as I thought they were a little out of sync...