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  • TN John
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    10/11/83

    Madison Square Garden

  • Oroborous
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    7/12&15&17/89

    First is kinda meh, second show, Deer Creek is muy bien!
    Except for the fun but big Ooops in Crazy Fingers (fun because you can tell their laughing, you can “hear” them smiling etc) but unfortunately it’s big enough that it might keep it from being chosen?
    Otherwise, what a great show. Maybe not guile as good as the 17, but certainly better than the RFKs…

    Oh, does it count as a DHB if one show is on video?
    Lol, ended up hitting Downhill from Here to finish things off yesterday…
    Man that show ROCKS,! Hadn’t checked it in awhile!
    Maybe hit the other Alpines next…
    Onward!

  • fourwindsblow
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    12-26-81 set 2

    ...again

    Scarlet wow nice! He's Gone Jam D/S Jam Truckin' Black Peter sweet...Blusey

  • icecrmcnkd
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    7-26-87 DVD

    Spinning now.

    2 anniversaries today.

    A toast to Brent.

  • proudfoot
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    9 21 74

    That MD is the slowest ever to the point of almost unlistenability

    9 18 74 was one of the first shows I got on cassette way back in the day

    Gotta hear that one again soon

    Also 9 21 74
    On archive many people point out that Weir is either really low in the mix or not in the mix at all

    Now you know

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    :)))

  • Oroborous
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    RE: 9/21/74 Dew

    It’s very unusual PF…perhaps the quietest Dew I’ve heard?
    Thought it was real Lysergic at first with the unparalleled gentle dynamics, but then they just sorta end it, thereby not achieving the liftoff and the powerful other end of the dynamic spectrum you’d expect.
    Meaning, if they’d added a more normal, big finale, loud and powerful ending, to such a delicate little prelude, we might be trash talking goat lol.
    But it just doesn’t really take flight, like JG was too high and all of a sudden after 15 minutes, wanted it to be over. Very unusual and interesting…
    Whole tour was different.
    Big difference in the Piano audio from 5/12 until 9/21. Much better.
    Pretty decent show and audio, except Bob is extremely low in the mix.
    Plenty of Phil though lol
    Ok, onward to 7/12/89!

    Edit: Chula Rocks!

  • bluecrow
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    7/25/74

    Obeah - glad you liked the story. Recounting it all these years later has me thinking I need to try and track down the mystery taper. I'll report back (it may be awhile.) Despite my Chicago area roots and a love of history, I must admit that the history associated with the International Amphitheatre is not something I was familiar with. I was in grade school at the time Pigasus the Immortal was nominated and have no memory of the '68 Convention nor had I ever heard of Pigasus until now. Looks like the Pigasus nomination took place at another locale in the city (Chicago Civic Center later known as Richard J Daley Center, which is how I knew it later). A close friend's older brother was a class of '68 valedictorian (I think) in HS along front range and won a trip to attend the '68 Dem Convention. Total straight arrow guy. Came back shocked and completely changed by what he saw and went full counterculture.

  • Obeah
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    thanks Bluecrow / Unusual Occurences in the Desert

    I really appreciate you taking the time to share that story esp since it's not the first time. You told it in a very evocative way, too. Personally I've never lived in a high desert town but I grew up in SoCal near enough to the Antelope Valley to have visited regularly, so at least I have a feel for the flavor. So that story really resonated. And as to questionable AUDs, well, I'm a sucker for 11-11-1970, as I've expressed elsewhere, so that just adds to the mystique. All the more so when there's no other way to take that ride (I'd like to have it one more time...)

    I checked and don't have 7/25 in my collection so I will indeed go and find that GEMS version. Thanks for the tip.

    I had to go look up the Chicago Int'l Amphitheater. Never realized it figured in some notable events of 1968 including the 'Pigasus' incident. I went and looked at some photos of the venue, checked out its histoyr, and it reminded me a bit of the Cow Palace in SF due to the showing of livestock. I wonder just how many ice rinks were venues for the Grateful Dead over the years...

    Anyway thanks again. I meant to reply sooner but got busy late Wednesday night posting about that '70 Brooklyn Bowl show, and then despite yesterday being the 50th anniversary of the 7/25/74 show, I was unexpectedly too busy to get over here to post.

  • uncle_tripel
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    Chula Vista BABY!

    got up this morning with a hankerin' for some 1985, 3 seconds later, oh yeah...
    September 15th @ Devore Field

    west L.A. fade away,
    here's one chance you say
    she tries to live by the golden rule
    said you TREAT other people RIGHT
    people probably treat you COOL

    enjoy your weekend if you can, and...
    treat other people right!

    Peace for All
    uncle_tripel

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Absolutely no noise reduction ON THE RECORDING, but that doesn’t mean some kind of processing on the final release, and, it seemed like 4/12 sounded much different, especially in the frequency spectrum we’ve been discussing.
There are other ways in mastering to treat noise beyond basic noise reduction, like, not your 80s tape deck Dolby…
I’ve been looking at pics and some don’t seem to have overhead drum mics where others certainly do. But haven’t dug deep so don’t know dates that correspond to pics etc. Just wonder if that was something Betty was messing with as she’s known for her mic placement perhaps above all else…
Also noticed JG moved into the center, and Bob to the left, (as per their stage orientation at the time) of the soundstage on maybe the 10th? Before that they were switched, and the 12 all kinds of things going on lol,
Always fun to try and dissect things!

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Hmmmm?
Another quirky good but inconsistent show?
Definitely a creeper. Starts a bit off (technically and otherwise) but by mid set they start settling in and syncing up. Second set, like much of this tour may not be flawless, but their is some fine playing and highlights!. And I’ll have to find that video cause wondering WTH was up with JG at the end etc? Wow?
These shows are hard to pin down, interesting run.
14 mañana…

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4 11 78

Finished 10 8 89 and 4 14 78 earlier today

Scarlet Fire

GBtGD

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Among others they would have a mic over each drummer either hanging or on stands four feet above each drum kit since sound rises from the drums, cymbals.

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Rolling into the 15th hot! After second set from the 14th.

B.E. is all over the place. Funny at times! LIG cooks!!

See how this one stands up..
Curious about the sound stage and recording consistency?

EDIT: this one mos def moved up a notch from the one previous time I heard it.
Really sweet show, perhaps most well played consistent of all so far?
Perhaps same with the mix/audio…definitely cymbals now, and everyone is in their proper soundstage position etc, good sheet Mon!
Overall, Maybe not some of the previous fireworks but very few lows. Only Ooops, and a small one, I can think of was in the otherwise delightful Dancing! It’s like their coalescing or morphing into a cohesive beast, but one with patience and finesse, and having a fine time doing so!
Eager to see how the 15 resonates after this one?
Mañana…

Overhead mics: yeah, I’m well aware what they are/for, i was trying to imply that “if” she hadn’t used them at some of the shows, then that might explain less prevalent cymbals…or maybe they were used but turned down…
since the pictures aren’t dated it’s hard to determine. In fact the pic on the last page shows Bob playing an Ibanez Musician Series guitar, which from the pictures I’ve seen (if dated correctly) he used from 5/5/78 until Egypt. So is that picture not from this tour, or did he use it at some point on the tour?
I’ve seen pics of Jerry trying one out also, but no idea when?

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Check the 4-12-78 video, maybe there’s a good shot of the drum setup.