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  • daverock
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    Yes indeedy, I was surprised to hear Jerry leading the band towards Morning Dew towards the end of Dark Star only to be cut across by the rest of the band - led by Phil, I think - before Bob enters with El Paso. This sounded a bit more natural - but I was listening to just the music on this occasion. With 8/27/72 I was watching them play it in "Sunshine Daydream." When I am watching a film of a band play I am much less inclined to get carried away in spacier sections, as I find myself looking at what they are doing instead of just listening. "Oh..he's playing at the 12th fret" - "Oh she looks nice"....that kind of thing. When I am just listening I get catapulted into space.

    This Dark Star is one wild and fascinating ride. It seemed wilder to me than 8/27 - going way out there. And that jazz type jam led by Keith towards the end is good.
    I notice on the 8/24 Dark Star does go into Morning Dew. These shows would make a good release -although I am just listening to second set jams. Not a popular thought, but maybe they could release a comp of the jams - including both Dark Stars - without releasing the whole shows.

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    6/19/94

    Strong for GD94

  • proudfoot
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    Dark Star > El Paso

    8/21/72: Very clearly Jerry starts Morning Dew, but others indicate other ideas
    8/27/72: Jerry tries again for Morning Dew, but El Paso it is

    As I think deep thoughts about this, if they HAD done MD on 8/27, we might not have gotten the glorious Sing Me Back Home

    Whatevs, I suppose. It was one afternoon (and evening) _long ago_, after all

    I have the house to myself this weekend, so if you hear GD playing from afar, that's me.

    happy happy joy joy

  • TN John
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    Campus Stadium, UCSB

  • daverock
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    Dark Star - El Paso

    I notice they made the same transition a few days earlier, on the 21st at Berkeley. Maybe it worked really well then, and Bob Weir had decided in advance that they would do the same thing on 27th. It looks a bit pre-meditated. For me it's the only false note of the whole show - but for others it might be a stroke of genius.

    I might check out that Berkeley show later on. Worse things to do on a Friday night.

  • JimInMD
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    Dark Star > El Paso

    Especially since you can hear Jerry flirting with the opening chords for Morning Dew just before Bobby takes the reigns and steers the ship towards the West Texas town of El Paso.

    But hey.. if every Dark Star melted into a gorgeous Morning Dew, they wouldn't be so special. I'll take what we have and am a bit thankful it wasn't me making the calls. They clearly did a better job than I ever could.

    Happy Labor Day to those in the US.. for those abroad there's no harm in giving thanks and taking a breather for all those who move the world and make it shake. From another angle this marks the end of summer, the days are getting shorter and fall is coming. Darkness falls and seasons change....

  • daverock
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    Sunshine Daydream

    That's a great film of a Dead show - for me the best one out there. "China Cat-Rider" is the highlight of the film - although I have read that some find it a bit sexist.... with the camera lingering on naked women instead of the band. It doesn't come across that way to me - but then I ain't a woman.
    "Playing", "Bird Song" and "Dark Star" are also among the best versions ever, I would say. I still don't like the way Dark Star goes into El Paso, though.

  • 1stshow70878
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    Springfield, MA
    DiP 25 second show.
    Can't just leave it hanging.
    And it has a Werewolves.
    Cheers
    A little more laid back 1st set than 5-10.

  • uncle_tripel
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    gotta do it...

    ...thanks for the nudge...1978-05-10 new haven diP #25 lookin' for
    that BIG smile today,
    got the car for the day, after I drop my better half off at work...
    play dead,
    play dead LOUD!

    Peace for All!
    uncle_tripel

  • TN John
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    Hartford Civic Center

    Oroborous,
    I'll try to remember to sit down and type some notes on that '90 MSG run next week when I'm on vacation.

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Absolutely no noise reduction ON THE RECORDING, but that doesn’t mean some kind of processing on the final release, and, it seemed like 4/12 sounded much different, especially in the frequency spectrum we’ve been discussing.
There are other ways in mastering to treat noise beyond basic noise reduction, like, not your 80s tape deck Dolby…
I’ve been looking at pics and some don’t seem to have overhead drum mics where others certainly do. But haven’t dug deep so don’t know dates that correspond to pics etc. Just wonder if that was something Betty was messing with as she’s known for her mic placement perhaps above all else…
Also noticed JG moved into the center, and Bob to the left, (as per their stage orientation at the time) of the soundstage on maybe the 10th? Before that they were switched, and the 12 all kinds of things going on lol,
Always fun to try and dissect things!

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Hmmmm?
Another quirky good but inconsistent show?
Definitely a creeper. Starts a bit off (technically and otherwise) but by mid set they start settling in and syncing up. Second set, like much of this tour may not be flawless, but their is some fine playing and highlights!. And I’ll have to find that video cause wondering WTH was up with JG at the end etc? Wow?
These shows are hard to pin down, interesting run.
14 mañana…

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4 11 78

Finished 10 8 89 and 4 14 78 earlier today

Scarlet Fire

GBtGD

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Among others they would have a mic over each drummer either hanging or on stands four feet above each drum kit since sound rises from the drums, cymbals.

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Rolling into the 15th hot! After second set from the 14th.

B.E. is all over the place. Funny at times! LIG cooks!!

See how this one stands up..
Curious about the sound stage and recording consistency?

EDIT: this one mos def moved up a notch from the one previous time I heard it.
Really sweet show, perhaps most well played consistent of all so far?
Perhaps same with the mix/audio…definitely cymbals now, and everyone is in their proper soundstage position etc, good sheet Mon!
Overall, Maybe not some of the previous fireworks but very few lows. Only Ooops, and a small one, I can think of was in the otherwise delightful Dancing! It’s like their coalescing or morphing into a cohesive beast, but one with patience and finesse, and having a fine time doing so!
Eager to see how the 15 resonates after this one?
Mañana…

Overhead mics: yeah, I’m well aware what they are/for, i was trying to imply that “if” she hadn’t used them at some of the shows, then that might explain less prevalent cymbals…or maybe they were used but turned down…
since the pictures aren’t dated it’s hard to determine. In fact the pic on the last page shows Bob playing an Ibanez Musician Series guitar, which from the pictures I’ve seen (if dated correctly) he used from 5/5/78 until Egypt. So is that picture not from this tour, or did he use it at some point on the tour?
I’ve seen pics of Jerry trying one out also, but no idea when?

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Check the 4-12-78 video, maybe there’s a good shot of the drum setup.