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Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net
One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net
In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net
The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.
Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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November 25, 2024 - 7:07am

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delhead

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My questionable box theory

If you search "best Dead shows" (or something akin to that) on the interwebs you will generate numerous best of lists curated by all kinds of sources. I've browsed these lists occasionally, looking for a "universally" acclaimed show that hasn't been officially released. From my observations, no data to support it, it seems that most of the "best, most desired" shows have already been released. A few haven't due to no available, releasable recordings.

So after the cream has been skimmed from the top, what Dave is dealing with is a great many good shows that are all very similar. Some transcendent moments, some not so good moments. Some good recordings, some not so good. I have seen messages on this board similar to "right street, wrong house". I think this contributes to having larger boxes, because it seems impossible to cherry pick shows anymore.

For myself, I am in the "smaller" box camp. In my opinion the Winterland boxes were perfect, in size, number of shows and a little swag. I have been a Dave Picks subscriber since the beginning but I am hesitating on continuing this year. I'm sure the 1976 show is good. But I have found myself going back to older releases. The last one I recently listened to was Dicks 12. A fabulous release that I can listen to over and over. I'm not sure the last few Dave's Picks are close to that standard for me, where I would listen to them over and over. Like many others have mentioned, an Ark box would have me lining up to buy.
November 25, 2024 - 6:48am

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billy the kiddd

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Release please

10/31/70 , 10/31/69, & 2/17/79
November 25, 2024 - 4:11am

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daverock

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Roads less travelled

I would think next year would ( or should) focus on 1970 inclusive going backwards and 1990 inclusive going forwards.
November 25, 2024 - 12:37am

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Obeah

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Primal ponderings for 2025

Thinking ahead to what Dave might be eyeing for 2025, we know Vol 53 is 1976. Let's recap the last three years of Dave's. That's 12 volumes:

3 x 1977 (41, 45, 50)
2 x 1971 (48, 51)
1 ea 1972 (46) and 1974 (42) - both w/ bonus discs
4 x Brent (44, 47, 49, 52) - '90, '79, '85, and '83 respectively
'Filler' show across two volumes -- 1970 Kiel Opera House complete show

And let's mention the 2022-2024 box sets: 1978, 1973, and MSG '81-'83.

The observant among you will note that I've left out one release: Vol 43, which contained two 1969 shows. That issue marks only the 2nd time the Dave's series has visited 1969. And as Dave observed in the liner notes for #43, it was the first time they'd picked a Pigpen-era show since Vol 30, which was released in Spring 2019... 13 releases prior.

So if we just look at "what year hasn't Dave visited recently", and if we consider that Volume 54 is a bonus disc release, then 1973 stands out, as it's a great year with plenty of material still unreleased - and the last Dave's release from 1973 was Vol 38. But the HCS box is perhaps a strike against this particular year. And ofc, Dave keeps going back to the '71 well - and there's plenty there for a great release + a bonus disc. Same goes for Fall '72. And if any of those March '77 Winterland shows have flaws or a missing reel, it could be a prime candidate for this year's bonus disc, with a complete neighboring night as the main release (and history shows Dave favors '77.)

Back to 1969: with Vol 43 being the last time Dave hit '69, it does seem like 2025 could be the year to revisit. I think one challenge is that the shows typically aren't the "right" length for the 3-CD format. The bonus disc format could work really well here, though - two '69 shows over 4 discs could fit. 1968 is the ultimate wild card - what's in the vault, and can it be made to sound good enough for prime time? Maybe a '69 show takes 2 CDs and then the third CD gets whatever exists from a '68 show? I suspect these considerations are one reason why the Dave's series hasn't released that much primal Grateful Dead - trying to balance the CD format with the quality of the show(s) and the recordings, as well as what may or may not be in the vault - well, it's probably more straightforward to just keep autopiloting the '77 stuff.

HOWEVER -- if you start thinking about the Box for 2025, it's the 60th anniversary year. And no box sets have included any material from the 1960s since 30 Trips in 2015 - and before that, Fillmore West in 2005. A box with '68 AND '69 would be a fitting tribute. We're all agreed that we just want the music - it can be "Road Trips" style where complete shows aren't a prerequisite - and personally I think such a box would sell out faster than Here Comes Sunshine did. Add whatever is serviceable from September 1970 and people will cut off limbs to secure their copies. Dave, are ya listening, laddie?!? Will ye grant our fervent wishes? (And folks at Rhino, if a box like this were to happen, please bump the release count up to 12 or even 15K for the good of humanity - you KNOW this will sell out)

Well as the kids say today, holy essaying. Sorry for the wall. I should go to bed...
November 24, 2024 - 11:56pm

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Obeah

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mini boxes / '68

When was the last mini box, anyway? RFK in 2017? That was a late release - November 10 - I wonder if perhaps they wanted to juice holiday sales. But anyway, it's been quite interesting reading folks' ideas. For example, I saw the March '77 three-night stand suggested... there's some of the best '77 material to still be quietly moldering in the vault. The idea of a Vince-era mini box also seems logical - if you're in for Shoreline August '91, you're probably down with all three days, not just the 16th and its first-set Dark Star. The Hornsby-less Feb '91 Oakland stand is another fertile field.

And I'd second what JiminMD said, all of it. None of us are getting any younger. I have come around to viewing Dave's role (and Jeffrey Norman's) as one not just of opportunity and good fortune, but as one of blessed duty. For I, too, came to regard Grateful Dead music as church. How astonishing that Bear managed to record as much as he did. While we know the vault shelves for 1968 are akin to swiss cheese, that music is very special. I know many of us have filled our SSDs with whatever we need, but this music shouldn't be just for the acolytes: it needs to be heard widely, played loudly.
November 24, 2024 - 9:54pm

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proudfoot

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9 10 83

Shoulda
Beena
Twofer
November 24, 2024 - 7:20am

#7

JoeyMC

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9/10

How bout that China Cat, damn...
November 23, 2024 - 3:11pm

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proudfoot

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Post Brent

I'm game 4 sure

Summer 85 box
Shuhmah
November 23, 2024 - 3:09pm

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proudfoot

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Shoulda been a twofer

C'est la vie
November 23, 2024 - 2:00pm

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Oroborous

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Hey

At least we finally got Unbroken Chain : )

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Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

I am from the East Coast and…

I am from the East Coast and was in Santa Fe for a work related trip and got to this show. I have some pics from up close and one that stands out is Phil sharing the mic with Bobby (wish I could post it here!) - this was probably a rarity them both sharing one mic (like the Beatles did). I have a pic with rainbow in the background as well. Cool show!!

Shipping Update

Welp, it’s made it to the hub in Rossford, OH, which is about 1.5 hours from my house. It’ll be interesting to see how long it sits there before it makes it to me.

More Phil on vinyl

11-10-67.
Spectacular!
And I’m only in the first song, that being Viola.

Anniversary show 10/28/84 B.C.T.

40 years ago it was Sunday night with the Grateful Dead, great show. Fun times.

Phil

Alembic mission control. Groovy bass. So long, Phil. I dedicate Moby Grape - boysenberry jam to Phil.

#52

Anyone receive this one yet?

Mine is now scheduled for this Friday, November 1.

Would love an expedited shipping option.

14838

Arrived through time travel, here in Central New York.

It's amazing how fast they CAN come, but usually don't. I think it left Fontana on the 26th...

The Downs Of Santa Fe....

....scheduled to arrive on Halloween 🎃.

RGM & Rhino

RGM CD Sale -
Road Trips Vol.1 No.1 - Fall '79 $16.99
RT Vol.1 No.2 - Oct '77 $14.99
RT Vol.1 No.4 - From Egypt w/ Love $19.99
Dick's Picks - 14 & 28 are $39.99 each,
DiP - 32 is $24.99
For those that need to fill in.

Rhino -
Has a new Rush compilation.
Atlantic years '89-'96 on 6 LPs.
If you're into that sort of thing.

Cheers

Pending

Mine is here in NYC but acceptance is pending I suspect I will see it tomorrow. First time however I never even got an estimated delivery date. I ordered an LP from phish came damaged I replied to shipping email got help within 15 minutes and the replacement is out the door and on it’s way amazing how good customer service can actually be it is possible Warner rhino whomever.

mine arrived yesterday

not sure when I can give it my full attention, but sometime soon

Santa Fe

Arrived yesterday. Listened to first couple songs first set. Very punchy beginning.

It's that time of year y'all....

....time for my annual viewing of The Exorcist.
Good, scary stuff.
RIP Teri Garr.
Sucks that a lot of my favorites are passing away.
Que sera sera.

Shipping

My copy is scheduled to arrive in Maryland on Saturday 11/2...8 days after the "release date".

So frustrating.

52

Out for delivery.
A day early,
so to speak.
Cheers

Favorite Teri Garr performances;
- Original Star Trek episode - Gary Seven
- Mr. Mom
- Young Frankenstein

Waiting…

UPS Mail Innovations is horrible. Mine left Fontana, CA on 10/26 and arrived in Rossford, OH on 10/28. It took 51 hours to drive it 2,194 miles. It’s been sitting in Rossford for 50 hours, which is only 105 miles from my house. According to Google Maps, I could walk there in 39 hours. It’s scheduled to be delivered tomorrow, but there’s no way that’s gonna happen if it’s not even at my local post office yet.

Anniversary show 10/30/84. B.C.T.

40 years ago I was up at the B.C.T for a knockout show with the Grateful Dead, they kicked off the show with Dancing in the Streets and Dire Wolf. This was my favorite show of the run, but they all were great! I bought a cool poster outside the show from Rick Griffin, very cool. Big fun!

Mail Enervations

Mine took 36 hours to go from Carlsbad to San Leandro - not even 500 miles. And it was picked up late at night, or at least that's when it was scanned, so passing through the greater LA area on its way North shouldn't have been too slow. Ah well. I'm still working my way through the '78 Box so speed isn't of the essence for me with this release.

Something up with the store?

Something up with the store? Keep getting the oops something went wrong message.

Release date

Is not delivery date.

Got mine today, hope you all get yours soon.

Speed isn't of the essense....

....just wait until you hear it Obeah. Then get back to me 🍻.

you're on, Vguy

Sounds like this is the '83 I need! We'll revisit this after I take delivery <3

CD1 spinning

Currently on WLA.
Still got my subwoofer turned up, might need to turn it down a bit, house is vibrating.
This may the best sounding ‘83 recording I’ve heard.
The centerfold of the booklet makes it look like the show wasn’t all that crowded.

Ready, set, go...

Neighbors forewarned.

Set 2 qued.

Volume up.

Yes.

#16,749 Arrived

Mine went thru Rossford and arrived today in Cleveland suburb.

Let It Grow

Burning up my speakers.
It’s hot.

Conekid....

....damn straight sir!
I have good picks as well. I am so happy this got officially released.

Indeed RIP Teri Garr

She was cool

"Roll roll
Roll in ze hay!"

Interesting tidbit of info: my coworker's father's partner was a caregiver to TG (TG had multiple sclerosis)

Y'all be cool, TG

#17725.....

....Has arrived just a bit outside Rose City, Oregonia!
Downloaded to the computer and thoroughly enjoying.

Anniversary show 10/30/83 Marin Veterans Auditorium

41 years ago, I was up at the tiny Marin Veterans Auditorium for an absolute knockout of an evening with the Good old Grateful Dead. We really cut loose at this show, and it was a blast! Fun times!

Well, I Met #11,554 Accidentally, In Saint Paul, Minnesota

This space is getting hot inDEED! Listened to the first disc while trying out the new Joss Cocobolo pool cue that also arrived today--love them BOTH!

Left California.

At this moment, my Dave's 52 is on a flight from LAX to Frankfurt. After that it has to get from Germany to the Netherlands, through customs and on to PostNL who will deliver it. With luck, I'll have it sometime next week.

#24588

Has arrived in TN. It will be the weekend before I can delve into it.

#12297

Currently on disc one and the sound and playing are great!

West LA has some extra funk/zip to it. Very nice!!!

Hope every one waiting gets theirs soon, as the long shipping can be a drag.

In a nod to Warner Music, they have kept the price good on the Dave's releases.

Maybe priority option for shipping??

rock on, gang

In UK

Mine has arrived in the UK. The Hermes tracking link on the DHL site doesn’t work but entering the tracking number into EVRI tracking shows that they got it this morning. It’s not likely to arrive before next week as EVRI doesn’t usually deliver at the weekend. I look forward to playing it.

No Shipping Notice Yet

No Shipping Notice Yet
???

Shipping Update 2

First off, I’m not complaining. Even if I did get it today, I would not be be able to dive in until the weekend.
It did arrive in Cleveland yesterday, after sitting in Toledo for 2.5 days. It was then shipped down to Akron, where it sat for about an hour. Then it was sent back to Cleveland, where it’s been for about 15 hours.
So silly…

#10406

In the house 2 days ahead of original scheduled delivery. Been on the road for 2 weeks, got back last night, and it was delivered to the PO this morning. Lucky in that USPS and UPS in this small part of the intermountain west are both excellent and preferred for delivery and UPS Surepost generally operates seamlessly and as designed. My copies are never shipped in the first wave but when they hit the road they generally move smooth.

Spinning Disc 1 now. Sounds great! Cut my deck to the Queen of Spades but the cards were all the same!

BOOOO, Scary

Received notice the 23rd; still hasn't been received by shipper. Now I am scared, don't know what is going on.

As Eric once sang, "I'm Waiting!"

So waiting patiently, may be here today for all I know.

Smile, everyone have a Happy Halloween!!!

Dang, game 5 for a interested bystander turned out wild to watch. For me, no emotional ties.

Edit game 5.

BTK 1984 BCT

Love that run. I always got hung up on 1984/10/28. From what I remember had long, deep freak time on a short setlist. Again, very old memories indeed, over 20 years for sure since last go round. Haven't heard 1983/10/30. Look forward to it someday soon.

#7597

Has arrived on schedule. No issues. Not listening tonight.
"Night of the Living Dead" takes priority. "They're coming to get you, Barbara."
Happy Halloween, everybody!

Sante Fe / Red Rocks

Just got the new Sante Fe show and love it!! Almost went to this show but ran into difficulties after the Red Rocks shows right before . . . I have a question for Dave: When are we going to get some Red Rocks Shows?

Yeah Dave...

What he said.
August '78 pair of shows.
Lots of good '80s R.R. shows
Box?
Cheers

No Sante Fe today....

....shame. I was planning on giving out hatch chilies for Halloween.

Anniversary show 10 /31/83 The last St. Stephen

41 years ago I up at the tiny Marin Veterans Auditorium for a rocking Halloween with the Good old Grateful Dead. They played St.Stephen for the last time. I saw them play it one other time at the Orpheum theatre on 7/13/76. My favorite St.Stephen 10/12/68 but lots of fantastic versions.

52..

Looking forward to the new pick - never met a show with a "Dew" i didnt like.. so far I have liked/loved a Daves, save one; number 48 wich I found was a below standard show. My hope for 2026 ( I know..) is that Lemieux will expand the series to 5 yearly releases - nr. 5 beeing a New Yearsshow in December.. BW from Copenhagen - and I hope everyone will vote and be safe next week..

Arrived

#3954 has just been posted through my door. That’s only 12 days since the initial shipping notice and 9 since the release date. Congratulations to EVRI on getting it to me so quickly.
I hope for a large turnout in your upcoming elections and that whatever the result it will be accepted as a fair outcome. I, obviously, have a preferred candidate but I wouldn’t want to be accused of trying to influence the election!

RIP our sweetest friend. Everyone goes away, in the end.

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