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    Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

     

    I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

    One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

    In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

    The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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    Strider! Can you please explain how someone calling attention to the repeatedly stale picks, as well as the recent technically deficient FOTD release, is a "buzzkill" ?? As stated, I am personally a huge fan of the Brent years - but the fact remains that the picks are getting stale. I guess if you are not blindly praising and paying Lemieux for whatever half-ass*d product he chooses to put out, then you are a hater. Happy to wear that label if so.

    Personally, I prefer when I purchase something for it to work as expected and not be laden with file errors or poor audio. Did you even listen to 51? Sound quality was utter garbage

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    My favorite show of the 80s.

    Remind me not to read all the comments. Hater posts about this Dead show. No buzz kill please.
    Thank you Dave. Great pick.

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    Best and Worst Times in Santa Fe

    Home town shows for me (lived a couple miles away in La Cienega). It was the Best and the Worst of times....

    Best was 3 Red Rocks shows, then coming home for this, and even better, the night off in between was Zozobra night, the kickoff of Santa Fe's Fiesta weekend...ten thousand plus gathered to burn Old Man Gloom, a 50' puppet, groaning and waving his arms in full ritual glory, letting go all our glooms from the year. So fun to share that with a friend from back east and a couple new show-friends who tagged along as we came south!

    Also Best was the aforementioned weather magic, lightning in the foothills behind the stage as the first set ended, and the rainbow as they cranked it up for set 2 with Help on the Way. Classic!

    The Worst, I'm afraid, reared its head in both concrete and creative realms....The Downs was set up for these shows (as in the previous fall) with the stage facing the grandstand from across the track's oval. This created some awful echoes for those in the middle; of course, you could solve that by moving up close enough to the speakers to overwhelm the echo....or by being way back in the stands....but not ideal for those who like to wander! (a later Lyle Lovett show I saw there rectified this by setting up parallel to the stands).

    Sadly, this show featured what I felt at the time to be my clearest experience of Jerry's issues in these years. The way I heard the Help/Slip/Franklins sequence, Bobby was doing something really fun and creative at one point (I'm a "Bobby Fans are People, Too" guy), and ol' Jer just totally fell off the side of the train at just the point we were primed for him to ante up and raise the stakes. Just lost it. Happens to the best of us, I know....but it was pretty striking at the time.

    The next summer, my compilation of the few(ish) highlights of that year's set of Red Rocks shows was called "Are We Having Fun Yet?" It was a rough stretch for sure.

    Ah, well, not griping about the release or the band or the challenges Jerry was grappling with. Just my memories of these shows.... Which of course were still way fun in the moment despite the transient reminders of the deeper troubles lurking within.

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    Butch - I agree with most of your post - I'm not sure I'd go along with remixing a show and dropping a musician that was there out of the mix ( Brent) however irksome his contributions became.

    I enjoyed a lot of live music in the 1980's that doesn't stand up to close scrutiny now. I saw Hawkwind loads of time in the 80's and always enjoyed it - but I wouldn't recommend any of their live albums from that era. You really had to have been there - and I suspect it's the same with Dead shows. Maybe they will concentrate on souvenir shows from now on - ones that the greatest number of people attended, which would necessarily mean concentrating on 1980s-1990s.
    Not good. This could be the first year when I haven't wanted any of the Daves Picks shows that have come out.

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    Yes, September 11, Dennis.

    Yes, it has been a different couple of years for Dave's Picks, but put me in the camp of wanting more variety, not less. There are tons of great shows out there from all eras. But, not everybody will be happy.

    For me, the Frost shows were my favorite so far and that was a surprise to me, but I really like them and keep listening to them.

    Based on sales, #49 is the only one that is actually sold out. You still have three from last year that are still available. Maybe they should cut it back a few thousand. Not sure that will happen.

    My least favorite of the year was #51, sound quality is not very good.

    I haven't heard the Santa Fe show yet, looking forward to it.

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    When will Lemieux stop hoarding and grifting?

    Could not agree more with Butch's comment about how poor these releases have gotten, and this is coming from a huge fan of the Brent years. David, why do you continue to keep so many of the great, classic shows bottled up and give us this bull instead? Holding it all for the inevitable $5-600 GD60 Box?

    Even worse than the choice of show for Vol 52 - how could anyone confidently expect a quality product from these clowns when the FOTD set was such a flaming pile of trash?

    At my last count nearly 40 tracks in the set are totally unplayable, with no solution from Lemiuex and the crew but a refund - if you take the time to reach out and ask. No one from Dead.net coming out and saying, "hey - don't buy this it doesn't work properly." Very shady if you asked me but oh well, on to the next release of "top notch Grateful Dead music," so who cares! I wonder if/when enough of us heads will realize that these "archivists" are really just grifters ripping us all off.

    My recommendation to anyone reading; buy a cheap external hard drive and fill it with free, high quality FLAC for less $ than you're spending on one or two of these bogus releases. Stop giving David Lemieux your money for nothing of value in return.

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    I see 11 & 40 on the birds,,, I assume the 40 is mick's birthday. Is 11 the date?

  • Butch
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    Worst Dave's Picks Year

    I'm done subscribing. There is so much good 60s and 70s material in the vault, and half the releases these days are the band on the decline. Doesn't matter how many people were buying tickets for the shows (thus is always the argument for the 80s), the recordings suck. I don't how people can stand listening to that keyboard player's bar band vocals. Sure the concerts were great live and in person, but so were the Stones this year but I am not listening to a recording of them in 2024. It's no secret why sales are down. There used to be so many subscriptions that these things would sell out in less than 24 hours. It goes to show hiw few people want a subscription where they're getting two Brent shows a year, usually with bad audio. I would remix Spring 90 without his vocals or most of his keyboards. Dude, learn when to stop playing. Oh, but he made Jerry smile onstage. Never mind. Keep them coming.

    We had 1 show from before the hiatus in 2024, including the box set. Dave, Rhino, and Pinkus don't deserve my money when they're holding back great material from 68-74. There won't be 25K Dave's Picks per release next year. They got cocky and tried to mix in too much after hiatus music. The Dave's Picks titanic is sinking. Shame.

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    For my money, the best tour between the end of 1978 and the Summer of 1987.

    LOVE the cover art!

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    A fun release! Wish I could of seen these two shows cause its NM (an adopted state - work there, all over the state, on a regular basis) and Santa Fe (beautiful fascinating town with deep history - famous for good reasons), and yeah, they're smoking outdoor shows with awesome high desert weather. Really love the racing roadrunners!! NM state bird - always happy with a roadrunner sighting!

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Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

 

I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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...."Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."
Smart dude that Abraham.

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To all those men and women braver than me

A special salute to those who died or got wrecked in WWII fighting fascism

I for one certainly haven't forgotten you

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Does anyone have a link to the Dave’s 52 thread? Asking for a friend…

Absolutego

A desert island disc

Do you have what it takes to absorb it in one listening?

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....don't lose focus.
Some may try.
Like Obi-Wan said, we have the higher ground.
Tis but a ripple in still waters.

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I actually haven’t even listened to Santa Fe yet. Still making my way through the Devils box set.

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....throw 9.11 in between the 78's.
Mix em up.
The juxtaposition is worth it.

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Yeah I should do that. 30 DoD is sucking up my listening time as well.
PS, My daughter lives in Vegas.

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....throw that bad boy in.
Vegas is....interesting. And always changing.
Dipping into Not For Kids Only.
When First Upon This Country ftw.
Yup.
P.S.

Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up over the hill
With Abraham, Martin, and his brother John. 🎶

What's Bobby's son up to these days? 🤔

With a legacy of fighting for freedom like that, you might want to get on board.

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Our political leanings might be different, but we do share a love of music.

Since you (or someone) asked if I had anything to say about the music, I still like the HCS from DP1 probably the best, though the one from DaP5 is a close second, sometimes first depending on mood.

Cheers.

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You're absolutely right about the way people can be put off by the political echo chamber here. It turned me off many years ago. Out of curiosity I came back to see what was going on with the releases and that was the first thing I saw. I should have known since it was so close after the elections. No worries though, I'll be gone again soon enough.

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I was ecstatic when I saw this legendary show was finally released. One of my favorite Eyes, a very Allman Brothers jam in the Not Fade Away, and everything else in between.

What was the forum for this show again? Oh, that's right. RFK stadium. I wonder what RFK's son is up to these days.

Whatever it is, with a legacy like that you can be sure he just wants to help the people be free.

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Excellent x100

GD = greatest band ever

GBtGD

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You might need to tune your fiddle again. It seems to have gone off key, lol.

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As always, I am reminded that I am glad I am male

A watermelon through a garden hose

Ouch

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Though I suppose passing a kidney stone can be almost as painful. But much less rewarding or life affirming.

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Such a grate tune. I always thought it a tragedy that they dropped it from the repertoire after '74.

Personally, I blame Spacebrother for this.

Just kidding, Spacebro!

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There have been lots of lies pushed by both sides over the years, and lots of assertions accepted as fact that turned out to be wrong. The idea that once you declare something to be a fact or not is the end of the story is a faulty assumption. If you want to convince someone that their position is wrong, the way to do that is through persuasive communication, not shutting down the communication and declaring the person a modern-day heretic and refusing to allow them to make their argument. Ironically, it is the much-referenced fascism that is characterized by the suppression of the opposition and their arguments.

As soon as I saw Here Comes Sunshine's posts and the start date for the profile, I suspected it was more likely to be a former poster or long-term lurker that decided to post, as I'm not really sure how widespread knowledge of this site actually is outside of deadheads. It looks like at least one of Here Comes Sunshine's posts to be confirmation of that assumption based on the poster's description that he or she used to post here.

ItsBurnsy, glad to hear you are the tolerant sort, but that has not been universal on this site.

I take no offense from those with differing views as my views don't fit neatly into a box, so I am equally likely to irritate those on the right on some issues and those on the left on others. I can confidently say that have yet to find the person with whom I agree on everything. And that's ok. I generally try to treat everyone that I encounter with kindness and respect, until that person demonstrates that my kindness is misplaced. I can't help but give money to the beggars I see from time to time (there but for the grace of god go I and all that). If I see someone in need, I generally stop and help. But I cannot abide being told how to think or what arguments I am allowed to make, or that I owe something to someone that I don't even know because of events that occurred before I was even born. I have no problem with someone who argues a contrary point, just a problem with being told to shut up by folks who have already made their argument. So as far as the "are you kind" issue, I have found that political affiliation is a poor predictor of such things.

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Khruangbin - Con Todo El Mundo
STRFKR - Parallel Realms
Gary Numan - The Pleasure Principle (Here in my car, I feel safest of all, I can lock all my doors ...)
Sturgill Simpson as Johnny Blue Skies - Passage du Desire
Ghost Funk Orchestra - An Ode To Escapism
The Alan Parsons Project - The Turn of a Friendly Card
Heartless Bastards - Arrow (Only For You alone is worth the price of the album)

As far as DaP52, this is currently my favorite 1980's release to date, for now anyway.

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....whomp, whomp.
Being a Kennedy does not make one worthy. Unless it's in name only.
Cool I guess.
I'm guessing being a Trump will eventually have the same accolades to some. For all the wrong reasons.
Cool I guess.
My parents raised me to turn the other cheek when it comes to people like our future president when it comes to life in general.
And I guess I'm going to have to turn it yet again.
Not a good person. No redeeming qualities when you break it down to the basics.
However, it seems even the basics are lost.
Example A joined yesterday.
And is wasting time here.
Hilarious.

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Censorship is the name of the game in these times, and it's especially effective when it is done clandestinely. Such as what happened to all the doctors who questioned the mainstream covid narrative on Twitter and Facebook.

They were silenced, their posts and accounts removed, and your average SM user was none the wiser it was even happening. One such doctor/scientist was a former VP from Pfizer. He was banned from Twitter. He was just one of many.

So when I see someone here complaining about how Elon Musk's X platform is a vehicle for "fascism" because he allows freedom of speech on his platform, I have to laugh. But it also makes me sad that people are so brainwashed that they now think freedom of speech is a bad thing.

I come from a Liberal family. Capital 'L.' Freedom of speech was a Liberal virtue when I was growing up, along with freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, etc. Now the so-called "liberals" want any speech they disagree with shut down.

They are not liberals any longer, they are Communists, and they have sent their Red Guards into the streets to silence any opposing views through any means necessary, including violence. That's what Antifa and BLM are all about. And the media, the colleges, and the entertainment industry are all on board with it.

But the everyday people see it and have had enough, and have voted accordingly. And here we are...

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Didn't they bring that one back in the 1990's? Well, I know they did - I've got an ancient bootleg here from 8/21/93, where they open the show with it. Or at least this cd. Maybe better forgotten at that. Great in 1973 though.

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Will hold the same reverance someday, Vguy. You just can't see it yet. Because you can only believe your TV and the talking heads. It's a very sophisticated psychological operation built upon many years of programming. You might be able to escape it if you turned your TV off. But it's a drug, and you're deep in addiction.

Someday you will hang your head in shame for the media lies you believed and defended.

Mark my words.

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Yeah, but for the most part it was abandoned. You know what I mean.

When that day comes, don't beat yourself up too bad. You are certainly not alone in your delusions. It's a very powerful propaganda network that has you programmed. If you turn your TV off you could get ahead of it. Most people can't do that though. It's like a drug.

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Very thick

No sunshine coming through

Lemmy said it best:

"No sun
Just clouds and poison rain"

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....and attempting to move my needle peddling falsehoods will always end up being a waste of one's time.
I find it hilarious.
Can't wait for the next "gotcha".

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Then try turning your TV off for one week. I bet you can't do it.

You might be able to get through the day tomorrow, but I bet by the evening you'll turn it on.

And even if you do get through the night, the very next day you'll be like, "See, I got through the night without it, so tonight I get to watch it again!"

It's like a drug, Vguy. You can't live without it. And it tells you how to think, how to feel, and what to beieve. It IS your reality. Simple as that. It controls you.

Prove me wrong and turn it off for a week. Listen to music instead. Go for walks. Ride a bike. Read a book. But don't turn the TV on for a full week.

But when you can't, remember what I said. And when you inevitably turn it back on, notice how it is shaping your opinions.

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I'm guessing you're a big TV watcher and the mere thought of going a week without it is what set you off, lol.

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The Lions are sucking so far tonight

Edit
They just held
Still 10-0

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Nah, they are sucking

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They're doing ok

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So, you're game with the no TV challenge? You're braver than I thought. Good for you!

Do it!

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....of Sesame Street.
Stupid TV.
BTW. A screen is still a TV, but more channels genius.
You are looking at a screen, correct?

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that's believable, lol.

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So I'm watching TV here on this DaV52 thread?

Dude, you are rely grasping at straws now, lol.

Are you going to do the no TV challenge or not? Commit, one way or the other so we know.

Can you do it, Vguy?

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....calling everyone here liars takes pretty small balls. No matter how you interpret it.
Marye. It might be time to flip a switch.
There is nothing I need to prove to anyone. Especially this troll.
Called it the second I saw it.
"taps head"

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