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    Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

     

    I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

    One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

    In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

    The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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    GREEKS

  • proudfoot
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    it's international philosophers day or something

    please go to that toob and listen to MPFC's Philosophers Song.

    I learned a whole lot of philosophers names by that song

    IIIIIImanuel Kant was a real pissant
    who was very rarely stable...

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    Avalon Ballroom, Fillmore East & West, Greek, Warfield, Ventura,Frost, Oakland, Winterland, big or small Ill take them all.

  • Oroborous
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    I feel ya DR

    And agree with all, except the mediocre part (but no problem one man gathers what another man spills and we’ve already been through all that lol) ; )
    I’m just afraid if we get too picky we’ll end up with nothing sooner than later…

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    I liked the idea that Jim posted that we have a couple of small boxes a year, not just one. I would be more likely to buy a mini box than a big one - unless it was something which was really special to me. For me, this 1978 box was way too big, and the quality of the shows doesn't justify the expense.
    An FM Fall 1971 box was suggested as a good idea recently, and somebody printed a list of all the shows that had been recorded in this way at that time. For me, it would be way over the top to release all of them in a huge, and hugely expensive box. But a few well selected shows, would make a truly great box

    It also has to be said that at 67, it is by no means certain that I will still be alive in 5-10 -15 years time. So any business plan that is looking at the long term isn't really relevant to me. A selfish reaction, perhaps, but I would hope for the cream of the crop being released ASAP - not padded out with average shows so the release plan can stretch on for another 15 years. If they take much longer to get to 9/70, or the Ark shows from 1969, there might be none of us left to buy them !

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    ....big. Small. I want them all.
    FYI. If you have Spotify, bootleg gizzard uploads soundboards from their shows. Check it out!
    Listening to the San Diego show from a couple of weeks ago now.

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    I wouldn’t mind seeing a box from Family Dog at the Great Highway. Even if it’s only bits of shows that are releasable.
    There’s a couple 30 DoD selections from this year that got me thinking about this.

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    Yes, small boxes in addition to the one big box. Of course you are correct, these releases all need to sell out to keep the party moving.

    How many Dave's Picks are still for sale from the last two years?
    Two box sets still for sale as well.

    Hard it know which Dave's will sell out next.

    I would also add a fifth pick in mid to late December. Would be fun.

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    …Pulls at “the roost” lol ; )

    Hate to be contrarian, but I don’t like the small boxes, seem like kinda a waste.
    Since we only get one lousy box a year, I like em as big as possible!
    Plus, it’s a good way to get some shows out that might be on the fence otherwise.

    Riddle me this Batman: how many more years do you think this will continue especially when people are selective and don’t support it?
    Sorry, I get why folks don’t want what they don’t want, and that is fine and dandy! But, this is unfortunately a business, the business of selling things, and if people don’t buy those things, they’ll just stop making/selling them…so how many more years do you really think this will go on?

    So X equals what, 5, 10, maybe 15 years…so X times the pace/methodology they’ve been continually using =
    Years
    5= 5 boxes TOTAL, plus (4 DaP X 5= 20)
    10= 10 boxes TOTAL, plus (4 DaP X 10= 40)
    15= 15 boxes TOTAL, plus (4 DaP X 15= 60)

    I’m gonna guess he’ll keep going to DaP 100 just for shits and giggles and because it’s a nice round number, and we’re into the 13 year I believe, so 12 or so more to get to 100, and figure in Dave’s age etc, and that’s my guess.
    Hell do it for 25 years and 100 DaP,… IF…the sales support it…

    So that would be mean only 12 or 13 more boxes at current methodology.
    So 12 mini boxes is only 24-36 shows, versus at the current average of 5 or 6 shows per box gives us 60-72 shows…a nice 8 show box like this years would be a total of 96 shows! (Don’t worry, there are plenty of good shows left!, just maybe not what YOU like ; )

    Now I’m sure some who only want a small, selective set of shows wouldn’t care, but for those who want as much as possible, it’s a waste to have to wait a whole year for just a 2 show box. And!…what if you keep waiting on that one special one YOU must have from i.e., fall 70, or April 69, Rochester 85, Philly 89, or whatever etc, , but increasingly they (hopefully) give more attention to all eras, that means your odds of getting what you want diminishes greatly…
    No, I’m greedy, I want it all, so I think boxes should be bigger like some other bands do, not smaller. How big was that Floyd box, how many discs?

    Now if they changed their methodology and increased the rate of releases, (I think this is what Jim said?) great! I don’t care how they do it, just so we get the maximum amount of shows fixed up and released! So no, imho if small boxes replace a larger one it’s no bueno! But hey, that’s just me.

    If I was in charge, lol,( yee gads run for the hills lol) if I was in charge I’d do
    5 DaP a year with more dbl shows
    1 or 2 minis a year
    1 bigger box a year
    and bring back the occasional stand alone show/release ala Nightfall of Diamonds, Rocking the Rhein, Ladies and Gentlemen, Dozen at the Nick etc etc,
    And! yes full shows are the gold standard, but I think most of us wouldn’t care if we got some RJ shows (top shelf where mama hides the cookies) that were chopped up, if that’s the only way to get them out…

    Just a thought…careful what you wish for!
    Ok, now the mob can tell me I’m wrong lol, which is fine, just be nice ; )

    EDIT: agree with the crow: dial back the bollocks and just give us more shows!

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    FWIW I would love to see a move toward smaller boxes. If only because I'm running out of space!

    I'm probably in the minority here, but I wouldn't mind seeing the packaging dialed back a little bit. Sure, it's fun to unpack a box like FOTDs, with all little boxes and doodads, but I'm really only it in for the music. Once you look at all the "extras" they just become more stuff you have to store someplace. And speaking for myself, there's not much available space left.

    Something like the 1976 box a couple years back struck a nice balance: the packaging was enough to make it seem special, but it didn't take up a lot of shelf space. Or look at something like, say, the Fox Box the ABB did: three shows, 8 CDs, and it doesn't take up more shelf space than 2-3 regular CDs.

    I suppose this is what you'd call a 'first world problem': we've got so many desirable reissues that some of us are running out of places to keep them! But I'm actually serious. I wouldn't mind seeing smaller, less expensive, less "deluxe" boxes. Cause it's all about the music, main.

    Last five:

    King Crimson: Starless and Bible Black
    Duke Ellington: New Orleans Suite
    Mile Davis: Miles in France '64 & '64
    Brad Mehldau: Your Mother Should Know
    Jefferson Airplane: Loves You

    OK now I gotta go to the dentist, so by the time you read this I'm prolly dead.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

 

I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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...."Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."
Smart dude that Abraham.

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To all those men and women braver than me

A special salute to those who died or got wrecked in WWII fighting fascism

I for one certainly haven't forgotten you

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Does anyone have a link to the Dave’s 52 thread? Asking for a friend…

Absolutego

A desert island disc

Do you have what it takes to absorb it in one listening?

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....don't lose focus.
Some may try.
Like Obi-Wan said, we have the higher ground.
Tis but a ripple in still waters.

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I actually haven’t even listened to Santa Fe yet. Still making my way through the Devils box set.

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....throw 9.11 in between the 78's.
Mix em up.
The juxtaposition is worth it.

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Yeah I should do that. 30 DoD is sucking up my listening time as well.
PS, My daughter lives in Vegas.

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....throw that bad boy in.
Vegas is....interesting. And always changing.
Dipping into Not For Kids Only.
When First Upon This Country ftw.
Yup.
P.S.

Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up over the hill
With Abraham, Martin, and his brother John. 🎶

What's Bobby's son up to these days? 🤔

With a legacy of fighting for freedom like that, you might want to get on board.

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Our political leanings might be different, but we do share a love of music.

Since you (or someone) asked if I had anything to say about the music, I still like the HCS from DP1 probably the best, though the one from DaP5 is a close second, sometimes first depending on mood.

Cheers.

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You're absolutely right about the way people can be put off by the political echo chamber here. It turned me off many years ago. Out of curiosity I came back to see what was going on with the releases and that was the first thing I saw. I should have known since it was so close after the elections. No worries though, I'll be gone again soon enough.

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I was ecstatic when I saw this legendary show was finally released. One of my favorite Eyes, a very Allman Brothers jam in the Not Fade Away, and everything else in between.

What was the forum for this show again? Oh, that's right. RFK stadium. I wonder what RFK's son is up to these days.

Whatever it is, with a legacy like that you can be sure he just wants to help the people be free.

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Excellent x100

GD = greatest band ever

GBtGD

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You might need to tune your fiddle again. It seems to have gone off key, lol.

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As always, I am reminded that I am glad I am male

A watermelon through a garden hose

Ouch

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Though I suppose passing a kidney stone can be almost as painful. But much less rewarding or life affirming.

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Such a grate tune. I always thought it a tragedy that they dropped it from the repertoire after '74.

Personally, I blame Spacebrother for this.

Just kidding, Spacebro!

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There have been lots of lies pushed by both sides over the years, and lots of assertions accepted as fact that turned out to be wrong. The idea that once you declare something to be a fact or not is the end of the story is a faulty assumption. If you want to convince someone that their position is wrong, the way to do that is through persuasive communication, not shutting down the communication and declaring the person a modern-day heretic and refusing to allow them to make their argument. Ironically, it is the much-referenced fascism that is characterized by the suppression of the opposition and their arguments.

As soon as I saw Here Comes Sunshine's posts and the start date for the profile, I suspected it was more likely to be a former poster or long-term lurker that decided to post, as I'm not really sure how widespread knowledge of this site actually is outside of deadheads. It looks like at least one of Here Comes Sunshine's posts to be confirmation of that assumption based on the poster's description that he or she used to post here.

ItsBurnsy, glad to hear you are the tolerant sort, but that has not been universal on this site.

I take no offense from those with differing views as my views don't fit neatly into a box, so I am equally likely to irritate those on the right on some issues and those on the left on others. I can confidently say that have yet to find the person with whom I agree on everything. And that's ok. I generally try to treat everyone that I encounter with kindness and respect, until that person demonstrates that my kindness is misplaced. I can't help but give money to the beggars I see from time to time (there but for the grace of god go I and all that). If I see someone in need, I generally stop and help. But I cannot abide being told how to think or what arguments I am allowed to make, or that I owe something to someone that I don't even know because of events that occurred before I was even born. I have no problem with someone who argues a contrary point, just a problem with being told to shut up by folks who have already made their argument. So as far as the "are you kind" issue, I have found that political affiliation is a poor predictor of such things.

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Khruangbin - Con Todo El Mundo
STRFKR - Parallel Realms
Gary Numan - The Pleasure Principle (Here in my car, I feel safest of all, I can lock all my doors ...)
Sturgill Simpson as Johnny Blue Skies - Passage du Desire
Ghost Funk Orchestra - An Ode To Escapism
The Alan Parsons Project - The Turn of a Friendly Card
Heartless Bastards - Arrow (Only For You alone is worth the price of the album)

As far as DaP52, this is currently my favorite 1980's release to date, for now anyway.

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....whomp, whomp.
Being a Kennedy does not make one worthy. Unless it's in name only.
Cool I guess.
I'm guessing being a Trump will eventually have the same accolades to some. For all the wrong reasons.
Cool I guess.
My parents raised me to turn the other cheek when it comes to people like our future president when it comes to life in general.
And I guess I'm going to have to turn it yet again.
Not a good person. No redeeming qualities when you break it down to the basics.
However, it seems even the basics are lost.
Example A joined yesterday.
And is wasting time here.
Hilarious.

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Censorship is the name of the game in these times, and it's especially effective when it is done clandestinely. Such as what happened to all the doctors who questioned the mainstream covid narrative on Twitter and Facebook.

They were silenced, their posts and accounts removed, and your average SM user was none the wiser it was even happening. One such doctor/scientist was a former VP from Pfizer. He was banned from Twitter. He was just one of many.

So when I see someone here complaining about how Elon Musk's X platform is a vehicle for "fascism" because he allows freedom of speech on his platform, I have to laugh. But it also makes me sad that people are so brainwashed that they now think freedom of speech is a bad thing.

I come from a Liberal family. Capital 'L.' Freedom of speech was a Liberal virtue when I was growing up, along with freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, etc. Now the so-called "liberals" want any speech they disagree with shut down.

They are not liberals any longer, they are Communists, and they have sent their Red Guards into the streets to silence any opposing views through any means necessary, including violence. That's what Antifa and BLM are all about. And the media, the colleges, and the entertainment industry are all on board with it.

But the everyday people see it and have had enough, and have voted accordingly. And here we are...

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Didn't they bring that one back in the 1990's? Well, I know they did - I've got an ancient bootleg here from 8/21/93, where they open the show with it. Or at least this cd. Maybe better forgotten at that. Great in 1973 though.

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Will hold the same reverance someday, Vguy. You just can't see it yet. Because you can only believe your TV and the talking heads. It's a very sophisticated psychological operation built upon many years of programming. You might be able to escape it if you turned your TV off. But it's a drug, and you're deep in addiction.

Someday you will hang your head in shame for the media lies you believed and defended.

Mark my words.

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Yeah, but for the most part it was abandoned. You know what I mean.

When that day comes, don't beat yourself up too bad. You are certainly not alone in your delusions. It's a very powerful propaganda network that has you programmed. If you turn your TV off you could get ahead of it. Most people can't do that though. It's like a drug.

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Very thick

No sunshine coming through

Lemmy said it best:

"No sun
Just clouds and poison rain"

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....and attempting to move my needle peddling falsehoods will always end up being a waste of one's time.
I find it hilarious.
Can't wait for the next "gotcha".

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Then try turning your TV off for one week. I bet you can't do it.

You might be able to get through the day tomorrow, but I bet by the evening you'll turn it on.

And even if you do get through the night, the very next day you'll be like, "See, I got through the night without it, so tonight I get to watch it again!"

It's like a drug, Vguy. You can't live without it. And it tells you how to think, how to feel, and what to beieve. It IS your reality. Simple as that. It controls you.

Prove me wrong and turn it off for a week. Listen to music instead. Go for walks. Ride a bike. Read a book. But don't turn the TV on for a full week.

But when you can't, remember what I said. And when you inevitably turn it back on, notice how it is shaping your opinions.

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I'm guessing you're a big TV watcher and the mere thought of going a week without it is what set you off, lol.

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The Lions are sucking so far tonight

Edit
They just held
Still 10-0

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Nah, they are sucking

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They're doing ok

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So, you're game with the no TV challenge? You're braver than I thought. Good for you!

Do it!

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....of Sesame Street.
Stupid TV.
BTW. A screen is still a TV, but more channels genius.
You are looking at a screen, correct?

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that's believable, lol.

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So I'm watching TV here on this DaV52 thread?

Dude, you are rely grasping at straws now, lol.

Are you going to do the no TV challenge or not? Commit, one way or the other so we know.

Can you do it, Vguy?

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....calling everyone here liars takes pretty small balls. No matter how you interpret it.
Marye. It might be time to flip a switch.
There is nothing I need to prove to anyone. Especially this troll.
Called it the second I saw it.
"taps head"

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