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  • icecrmcnkd
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    Drums and microphones

    Check the 4-12-78 video, maybe there’s a good shot of the drum setup.

  • Oroborous
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    4/14/78

    See how this one stands up..
    Curious about the sound stage and recording consistency?

    EDIT: this one mos def moved up a notch from the one previous time I heard it.
    Really sweet show, perhaps most well played consistent of all so far?
    Perhaps same with the mix/audio…definitely cymbals now, and everyone is in their proper soundstage position etc, good sheet Mon!
    Overall, Maybe not some of the previous fireworks but very few lows. Only Ooops, and a small one, I can think of was in the otherwise delightful Dancing! It’s like their coalescing or morphing into a cohesive beast, but one with patience and finesse, and having a fine time doing so!
    Eager to see how the 15 resonates after this one?
    Mañana…

    Overhead mics: yeah, I’m well aware what they are/for, i was trying to imply that “if” she hadn’t used them at some of the shows, then that might explain less prevalent cymbals…or maybe they were used but turned down…
    since the pictures aren’t dated it’s hard to determine. In fact the pic on the last page shows Bob playing an Ibanez Musician Series guitar, which from the pictures I’ve seen (if dated correctly) he used from 5/5/78 until Egypt. So is that picture not from this tour, or did he use it at some point on the tour?
    I’ve seen pics of Jerry trying one out also, but no idea when?

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    4/15 Dap sounds better?

    Rolling into the 15th hot! After second set from the 14th.

    B.E. is all over the place. Funny at times! LIG cooks!!

  • fourwindsblow
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    Drum mic's

    Among others they would have a mic over each drummer either hanging or on stands four feet above each drum kit since sound rises from the drums, cymbals.

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    4 11 78

    Finished 10 8 89 and 4 14 78 earlier today

    Scarlet Fire

    GBtGD

  • Oroborous
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    4/12/78

    Hmmmm?
    Another quirky good but inconsistent show?
    Definitely a creeper. Starts a bit off (technically and otherwise) but by mid set they start settling in and syncing up. Second set, like much of this tour may not be flawless, but their is some fine playing and highlights!. And I’ll have to find that video cause wondering WTH was up with JG at the end etc? Wow?
    These shows are hard to pin down, interesting run.
    14 mañana…

  • Oroborous
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    True dat

    Absolutely no noise reduction ON THE RECORDING, but that doesn’t mean some kind of processing on the final release, and, it seemed like 4/12 sounded much different, especially in the frequency spectrum we’ve been discussing.
    There are other ways in mastering to treat noise beyond basic noise reduction, like, not your 80s tape deck Dolby…
    I’ve been looking at pics and some don’t seem to have overhead drum mics where others certainly do. But haven’t dug deep so don’t know dates that correspond to pics etc. Just wonder if that was something Betty was messing with as she’s known for her mic placement perhaps above all else…
    Also noticed JG moved into the center, and Bob to the left, (as per their stage orientation at the time) of the soundstage on maybe the 10th? Before that they were switched, and the 12 all kinds of things going on lol,
    Always fun to try and dissect things!

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    Noise redution?

    No where in the notes does it state any noise reduction was used in the reel recording of any of the shows in the box.

    Will be doing the 15th tomorrow!

    Going to have to listen to the 11th again as I thought they were a little out of sync...

  • Oroborous
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    4/12/78

    Previously, Only heard this one once, thought it was good but overshadowed by the 11, 15 and 16th…let’s see after proper sit down if it matches the hype…

    Think 4/11 was tops so far, but 4/6 seemed to stand out too. These shows are sneaky good. Meaning sometimes you have to wait for it. The dynamics are often impressive. Not freight train Dead like you might expect from this period, but often nice subtle build ups/peaks. You can tell their having fun, getting loose and digging the smaller venues.
    Really tasty when their all in sync etc, (sometimes the looseness is a tad much) and 4/11 is a good example of being synced up!
    And DG has been improving nicely as the tour has progressed and has some real moments here.
    That Sunrise is one of the most powerful I’ve heard, and some songs she’s carrying the lead vocals. Meaning on shared vocals, she is often the strongest most consistent, which allows J &B more latitude.
    And the sound is great on all so far, but I too will compare with 37, which I recall is the benchmark of this tour…

    I do understand 4winds “cymbal” comments. Don’t have torrents to compare, but they aren’t prevalently splashing all over so ?…
    It doesn’t seem like an issue to me, and probably wouldn’t notice it if I wasn’t trying to…guessing mastering, probably added some shimmer to the torrents versus some noise reduction, tape restoration, age etc, or, perhaps artifacts from different machines used to record copies from the masters, versus Bettys reel decks and masters…

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    4/14 set 2

    here we go! set 1 was okay! I like where set 2 is going...

    Samson oh yeah!! Lions Den for sure!! Growls...

    Music swinging!!

    The Natives are restless!

    That was fun!

    Love them while you can, for someday they'll be gone.

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Yeah PF it’s a shame the DS etc is chopped up.
Really enjoyed this one, especially that DS was way cool then…ugh
Be great if this was a banana box baby…

Not sure what to hit today?
Maybe start on the last 11 from 94, then next week maybe that E90 tour?
I know I dug the previous fall 90 shows, and PFs been digging the E tour, so I might sneak that in for extra credit lol
But first “she left my fat ass there by side of the road”
It’s walk me out in the mornin walk my honey…

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it is…decent aud, sweet Jack to open, ok first, now into Hey Now, hey now lol
Edit: yowsa! Great second set, but the PITB Jam into UJB, THAT is why I listen to these other years! 1stshow, we’re you at these?

Onto 11/30/94

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The end years still had some good parts.

From Set II - sequence of Estimated > Eyes > D/S > Trucking > Black Peter > Around > Sugar Magnolia E: Baby Blue

IWT. Space > Trucking > Black Peter were 30 Days contest for 11/10. Ages since I'd listened to this show and thought I'd circle back. Set I a little rough in places. Set II was a blast, a sweet sweet summer evening > night, lot of weather in the area, remember the wind hinting at rain during Eyes and it was just perfect. Excellent drumzspace - love(d) the marimba. Heavens opened up either during Baby Blue or just as it it finished. Buckets of rain, cats and dogs pouring from the sky. Somehow, soaked to the bone, we all found each other afterwards once the storm passed. Oh yeah - forgot to mention that Set II opened with a touch of the Twilight Zone(!!) > Women are Smarter > Going Down The Road

Fresh Jam of the Week and this Dark Star is beautiful! Felt like I was dropped into an ancient, mythical land. A great way to start this Friday morning.

Edit - and on to the whole show. what we have is amazing. New Potato!!

Terrapin > Playing > Drums > Not Fade Away > Comes A Time > Playing.
E: Johnny B Goode

out of this world - beautiful. A favorite sequence from Spring '77 and just in general.

Earlier a DH friend stopped by unexpected. He hasn't really been purchasing archival releases over the last few years. Whipped up some dinner and we listened to 4/16/78 Huntington WV. It was awesome (both dinner and the music) and now he's gonna buy the Friend of the Devils box.

12/9&11/94

First meh, second show had a great set list but the playing was inconsistent.
Of course there is that sweet Days Between Dave ended up using…

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Buffalo 9th of May 1977, the day after the Cornell show, & some say it's even better.
There are practically no tracks in common, so it's good to hear both of them.
I recorded Buffalo to my computer from Archive, but I find it strange that there's no released separate copy. The bundled limited edition of New Haven, Boston, Cornell & Buffalo is fine if you don't mind spending about $500.

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Sweet Birdsong jam…

And now, Shaking on down with 12/15/94.

And finish with 12/16/94

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DiP 19, Disc 3. - Given that much of my listening is on/through my desktop I finally treated myself to a iFi ZenDAC3 headphone amp w/ iFi 5 volt external power supply. Just arrived and thought I'd take one of my favorite passages of all time for a spin. Headphones are Sennheiser HD650s. It is glorious.

Better Left Unsung - her first GD release.

So incredibly beautiful. Love love love her playing.

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didn’t get a good listen yesterday to 12/16/94 but heard enough to fire up the second set again! Cool Branford gig!

Now onto 12/18…
Another nice second set!
And 12/19 was nice too. LA was a nice little run!

Edit: Yeah BC, I know you dig some 94, so check out the first night of Denver, I know the Auds not great, but it’s not too bad and the show I felt was worth it…especially the PITB jam etc…
And definitely check out 12/16 with Brandford!

I’ve now hit every 94 from 6/8 onward. Didn’t mean too. Started just wanting to check out summer tour and my 30th anniversary shows, but enjoyed them so much I kept going. Really dug the fall tour!

Prolly freak freely, or hit 52 and some other 83 mañana, then onto E90!
Onward!

Dbl Edit: 10/19/73…sigh, don’t know what it is about THAT one lol
So majestic.
Ain’t it crazy how much a little DAC can do!

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Lucky you! That system missed us here in the high desert.

Didn't know about that December show with Branford. Will have to check it out. Tried one of the McNichols shows but had a hard time getting past the audience pulls - they all seemed very distant.

Right now listening to Phil Lesh and Friends - Highlights Vol. 1 - And Love Will See You Through.

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...?

march 22 1973
in utica ny
at utica memorial auditorium
capacity of 5,700

can ya imagine that?

PEACE for ALL!
uncle_tripel

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I've been missing from the Dead forums for a while now !! Here again !!

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Cue War: “take a little trip…”

So onto Europe 90
Dug the fall tour so much, and with PFs enthusiastic enjoyment, figure I need to just Do It! So here we go, 10/13/90 it is…

Edit: Utica! Yeah Uncle it was a very small venue…front row Jerry for the rocking 3/13/81 show. Wish I remember more, but being young and dumb (some things never change, ahem) I bought a big bottle of 7/7 thinking all the heads could “stay warm” outside for the long GA wait to get in.
Well, lesson learned: cold tripping DH don’t normally drink much, at least before a show…well being in top Olympic form and 7/7 being the go go juice of choice for the band and road crew I was on, I just eventually quaffed her down mostly myself, which would have been fine if we didn’t later smoke sooooo many joints waiting on the floor….
All I’m gonna say bout that is seek Fat Freddie’s wisdom on that lol
But hey, I never left the front rail and ended up having a good show, and learned a valuable lesson that all 18 year olds should know lol
One and only show I ever got that kind of too wasted…
Good show if you’ve never checked it!

Dbl Edit: once again PF has me laughing: imagining him in middle of the teachers lounge correcting student gibberish, edibles, with cans on, cranking heavy metal or some atonal Dark Star while his unsuspecting cohort blather on about nothing LOL!
A true warrior!
Onward Brother!

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the 13 was definitely off from the years previous shows, but I didn’t find it as bad as some have stated. I think DM in his GD bio said it was the worse show he saw? I’m betting set and setting had some influence. I know shows that at the time I thought in the experiential context were no bueno, years later, removed from the set and setting, and ensconced in the luxuries of home, I have not found any shows as bad, or sometimes as good as thought BITD…
Maybe that’s just me?

You can hear the 17 sounds more status quo of this fine year than the 13 fo sho…

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Glad you are getting into Europe 90

13th is a warm up

Plenty of good stuff on the tour yes

Glad I could make you laugh
:)))

Onward, indeed

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10 24 71

DARK STAR

and

it has a Cumberland

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...lol...bottle of 7/7!

march 24 1973
aka daP 32
spectrum in phila

and
"it's gonna be the whole thing"

PEACE for ALL!
uncle_tripel

PS - just checked my treasure chest,
CD-R's of EU '90
10/19 - 10/20 - 10/22
will check them out this weekend

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4-18-78 Pittsburgh.
The Scarlet > Dancing is suspenseful.
You just keep wondering when they are going to get to Fire and then they don't. And it's a wonderful journey getting there.
Cheers

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Set I closer - Bird Song > Music Never Stopped. And now Set II.

That run was a whole lot of fun!

Edit - and today I learned that Bowie was playing Mile High this night! WAT??!!

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The only time I made Red Rocks. My memories of the third show are the best. Wish the recordings were better. Wish my memory was better. I think me and my girlfriend at the time were having some difficulties this week which sort of got in the way of the shows. Too bad, but we had been away for a month by this point and sleep came at a premium. Still a good time and there was a lot of magic seeing the GD at the Rocks.

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You should check out today's 30 days :) that was a sweet Box of Rain to close Set I.

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Driving across the ship canal bridge into Seattle
Nice sunrise with Cascade Mountains
Let It Grow 10 30 90 playing
Yes
Yes
Yes

GBtGD

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On Dave's Picks 3 - quite a snappy show. With 10/21 on the 3rd disc, we have "The Other One", "Dark Star" and hot licks a go go on the country/rock n' roll songs.