You come across as a reasonable person, even if I don't come across as a "reliable source" in your opinion.

For the record, in regards to HCS, I said something along the lines of "I always thought it a tragedy that they removed it from the repertoire after '74" or words to that effect.

I didn't say they never played it again, but they did remove it from the lineup for what, 17 or 18 years? So the Associated Press deems your statement "mostly false."

But regarding your other statement, I am not holding myself up as an "expert" nor a "source" on the issues I was raising.

I did however cite the FDA and the WHO, and provided verifiable facts and data from said agencies, which I would assume a reasonable person might consider to be reliable sources on the subject matter to which I was speaking.

It is not my opinion. It is their data. I am not an expert. I was simply sharing what I had found.

On this day in 1973, an excellent HCS at Pauley Pavillion, Dave's Picks 5. Not to mention an amazing PITB palindrome.

An all around great show!

I'm putting it on right now...

My Russian handler told me, "Mention the Pauley Pavillion show, Comrade. Even in Russia it is famous! They can't argue with that."

Thanks, Boris!

....spinning Brian Wilson's Smile.
Sike

Sake! Drink!

to the whole Pauley Pavillion show. So great, every tune. I forgot how great it was, to be honest. They are definitely in the zone. The mix is also superb.

Strongly recommended.

Actually, forget I recommended it. That might turn you off to it.

Pretend your friend recommended it, and just go listen. Whatever it takes. It is that good. Wow.

Put on 10 24 71

China Rider

Ja, gerne

Nice victory today

(Seahawks fans needed that)

Truthfully no one Seahawk QB ever ran like Russ, either for yardage or escapability. {Zorn was the next best, but only on his feet} Hell, for the most part Russ best and longest yardage runs came off broken plays. Though he wasn't too shabby with designed rushing plays either.
Geno has never struck me as a lateral mover, usually he don't escape the pass rush or he does but then makes an errant throw. I must say though, as a forward runner Geno ain't too bad at all & deceptively fast! Those quick improvisational decisions to just break forward and sprint out the pocket were the difference in that game.
Sorry! This is MY OFF SUBJECT POST of the month.
Go rip city! Blazers triumphed again! A hat trick of wins!

...But I feel like talking about, y'know, music.

Interesting conversation about music (a few pages back) from the 70s as opposed to current day. I was born in 1963, and count me among those who grew up hearing (from my older sibs) that 1970s sucked, all the good bands sold out after Altamont, etc, or were dead like Jimi and Janis. Which maybe had some truth to it for some bands, but not for everybody of course.

Meanwhile, I think there's a lot of good music out there now... You just gotta poke around. My favorite current band is a 3-piece out of Rochester NY called King Buffalo. Check them out on Bandcamp, they're the real deal imo. My gateway tune from them is "Morning Song," highly recommended. They call themselves "heavy psych," which I think means lots of trippy loopy guitar effects but none of the macho posturing of a lot of guitar bands. They can get noisy.

Green Lung is a "pagan metal" band out of England (familiar to you, Daverock or Simonrob?) who I enjoy a great deal in a guilty-pleasure kind of way.

ToYo are from Japan and play an affecting form of psychedelia (yeah, I don't really know what that is either) with Japanese lyrics and odd tunings. It's great. Worth checking their album "Stray Birds From the Far East" on Bandcamp.

There's a fun site called Doom Charts that lists their top 40 heavy/stoner/sludgy/metal albums each month, as chosen by their worldwide network of listeners/reviewers. Want to find out more about Italian occult doom music? Here you go! There's a lot of unlistenable (to me) stuff here, but a whole lot of fun too. This is the site that turned me on to ToYo, for example. Or a band out of Scotland called The Kundalini Genie, which is sounds like someone built a time machine back to 1966 and came back with a whole bunch of great tunes.

Bandcamp is a great site to noodle around in general, btw. All kinds of stuff there, much of which you can download for free.

Amethyst Kiah and Rhiannan Giddens are terrific songwriters with great voices who release music both individually and as part of a quartet called Our Native Daughters, four Black women who play a kind of folk- or traditionally-inflected American acoustic music. Giddens has a song called "At the Purchaser's Option" which is beautiful and heartbreaking. You can find a live version on the Toob. Kiah's gateway song (for me) is called "Black Myself," and it straight out rocks.

And I haven't even mentioned Tinariwen, who are hands down the greatest band on the planet right now (and for maybe the past 15 years). I think they were mentioned on this board some time ago... Lots of vids on the Toob to check out. Either they grab you or they don't. Me, I find them trance-inducing in the best possible way. And there's a whole array of "desert blues" outfits that plow some similar territory (Bombino, Tamikrest, Les Filles de Illighadad, etc).

Oh and a couple more recs: Michael Kiwanuka and Leon Bridges. If you are open to hip-hop, then Run the Jewels are worth a listen, as is Killer Mike's solo album "Michael." Check out the video for RTJ's "Down."

Okay I'll stop. I only intended to list a couple of recommendations, but before you know it... Yeah. Anyway, thanks for putting up with my meanderings.

I like Dave's #52 quite a lot!

As Mark Twain "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated". You never know. But sure, we will survive! -;)

Maine Dave - I also like checking out the Bandcamp website. I discovered an independent record label called The Library of the Occult on there earlier this year. From what I have heard, the music they release isn't really metal - I am not sure how you would describe it. The one album I have, by Magnetic Sunshine is full of groovy organ freakouts, backed up by clattering bongos and fuzz guitar. Great fun. I can imagine it being used a soundtrack to an Italian horror film from the 1970's.

I haven't heard Green Lung. Despite Black Sabbath being one of my 5 a day during the first half of the 70's, I gradually moved away from heavy metal after that. Those first 4 Sabbath albums still sound good to me. I fact, most of the albums I liked back then do. Maybe we always like the music we first heard in out mid-late teens.

What you referred to as "desert blues" sounds more like my cup of tea now. I'll do some checking out later.

HCS - cheers. I am heading in the general direction of 11/17/73 - I agree, one of the best Daves Picks. Fall 1973 features some amazing shows. The Playing - UJB - Dew - UJB- Playing jam from 11/10 rang out here last night - and I notice that was also a feature of the Pauley Pavillion show. But before that - 11/11.

Sorry, gotta chime in for Black Sabbath, the Ozzy years for now anyway.
Sabbath jammed {instrumentally} in the 1970s more than many radio familiar casual fans would know. The Vol.4 & Sabotage albums got much of that extended jam codas in stellar songs, "Wheels of Confusion/Straightener " and "Symptom of the Universe" respectively.
I was too young to see them live so I can only imagine the performances of them tunes. Really all them early Sabbath albums had little instrumental diddlys. Sabbath Bloddy Sabbath is a classic as well as Paranoid, and the Master of Reality album is the Heavy Metal template of the looming future a decade later.
A number of years back now I started a deep dive into the last two '70s Sabbath albums, Technical Ecstasy & Never Say Die. I found some real rockin' hidden gems of songs there and also tones of experimental keyboardy 'proggy' stuff on them albums not oft played if ever on the modern radio I tell ya!........
.....Anyways, back to the Dead. Great autumn 1983 sound and pick for #52, I would be jamming it more but the 30 Days of Dead daze is a doozy this year!

Thank you Maine Dave,
never heard of them. Found a video of them playing at Freak Valley Festival, June 2023, here in Germany.
Great music, great sound. Fantastic!!!
Got to get more.
Cheers, G.

Side 2 of 1st album is perfect "prep for work" music for today

"At Your Age"
"What we always believed"
"To maintain our worldview"
"Challenged your perception of reality"
"The ones who have hidden the truth"

NO, it's just that us OLD FOLKS remember Adolph Hitler, and do not wish to see that movie again.

Thanks for "teaching Us"

...or if you linger, please only keep your topics to good ole grateful dead.
That appears to be more than a common sentiment.

(but, wait....F Your feelings and my right to say whatever I want defies your right not to be bullied!)
We get it.
We fully understand the tragedy that All Civility is now lost , and how truly shockingly this is viewed by so many, including yourself, as totally acceptable.
Pathetic and sad, but we get it.

You are adept at being a bully and pushing your disinfo agenda that has been cult-branded into your skull.
Which is really odd, considering you do appear to be able to string sentences together in a relatively coherent fashion occasionally.

But, we get it. Cult members gunna cult.

Be Well People!
Sixtus

Check out the Lemon Twigs, great newer pop/rock band

Last 5:
Skeeter Davis - Mary Frances
12/26/80
12/27/80
12/28/80
12/30/80 All fine Audience recordings. These December shows would make a nice little box.

Finally got a label created.
I ordered in the 1st 4 minutes.
But some of you have yours already.
Go figure.
Pembroke Pines, I was just listening to a show from there.
Cheers

Sabbath were a lot more ferocious live in the 70's than their albums indicate. I still have my ticket for the first time I saw them - 3/11/73 - which was recorded for their live album - "Live at Last" I think it was called - but it's best heard in the Volume 4 box set that came out a couple of years ago.
I remember it vividly - them coming on, a shriek of deafening feedback, Ozzy Osbourne yelling some profanity, and then this almighty racket started up as they went into "Tomorrow's Dream". It was like the gates of hell had swung open. All around was sea of hair flying in all directions and fists raised in the air, some waving peace signs.
They did feature some improvisation about two thirds the way through - what seemed to me like an overlong guitar solo, before they went into another pulverising riff which was a sign that the mayhem could start again. By the last two songs they were going so fast it sounded more like The Ramones than Cream. I was stunned. Couldn't hear properly for a week afterwards.
I do like the second side side of the first album listening at home - but live it dragged things down a bit.

Incidentally, when I rescued my ticket from the random pile I have left, another one that fell out was The Dead at The Rainbow on 3/10/81, which cost £6.00. The Sabbath ticket cost £1.25.

Enjoyed the new “Hunter book”.
But caveat emptor: this is not his long lost memoir and has nothing directly to do with the GD.
It’s written by a young Hunter and focuses on only about a year (61-62) before anyone was anyone etc. But it is an interesting look at the burgeoning “scene” and examines perhaps how/why a certain guy named Jerry became who he was.
Interesting snap shot of history, Hunter, and some schlub named Jerry, (“he’s a bum who’ll never amount to anything”), but not a book about the Grateful Dead, just fyi…

Nice heads up.

I've downloaded a chunk via boobtube. I like what I hear.

Will of course take forever to give a good listen :-)

Hell yes, Cousins. I have been calling for this December 80 Oakland run to come out as a box set for a long time. Would throw in 12/31/80 as well to make it a five night release. I believe the last night they started with an acoustic set.

Congratulations OB on the Bills! Big win yesterday.

Didn’t Nitecat record that run?
Or am I thinking 79? Gonna hit 79 run end of year!

Hey DV! Thanks, phew, similar to the VIKS in that they often don’t make it easy on themselves lol

.....hope all is well.

11/18/72

who has the single disc release?

I have seen that for sale at Silver Platters for...$40? $50?

I haven't delved into that year for a while

I think (think) this was listed in the compendium as one that wasn't recorded. Of course, that was published years ago.

GBtGD

"The GD are the antidote to the atom bomb" - Joseph Campbell, methinks.

True dat.

Bring it on. I went to all those shows. It was a blast!

I would like to see a box set from 1970 released. A box set from 1968 or 1969 would also be cool.

PF - I've got that one, on cd and on vinyl. I wouldn't pass it by - some very clear and powerful bass playing as I remember .

Agree with DaveRock. Phil high in the mix. One of those ripping Fall '72 Playings. Cool artwork to boot. Lowest price for CD used VG+ on discogs is ~$50 and next is in the $70s. New cheapest is ~$90.

on CD is in my collection as well. The PITB is one for the ages. Mind bending, almost too intense at times. Definitely got to be in the right mood for that one. A must have for your collection.

So sorry that my words hurt your feelings, but as bad as your feelings were hurt by having to read opinions that you disagree with, just imagine how it felt for so many others to be forced to wear a useless mask in order to enter the grocery store to obtain food for their family, or to go to work, or to bring their kids to school.

Imagine how it felt that they were forced to submit to an ineffective and dangerous injection in order to keep their jobs.

Imagine how much harm was done to the children who were forced to mask and separated from their classmates by plexiglass so they couldn't play together like kids are supposed to, unable to see people's faces at the most crucial stage in their development of language skills and social interaction. All this when the authorities knew that children were at zero risk from the virus. Yes, zero risk by the CDCs own numbers (0.002% fatality rate).

The masks, shutdowns, and shots were never about health or safety. They were about fear and control, and your subservience to and compliance with totalitarianism.

I stand by my statement that it was the biggest crime against humanity in world history. The ones who never questioned all the obvious contradictions in what we were being told and inconsistencies with the facts on the ground, and who bought into the "trust the science" mantra that was really just an order to the sleeping masses not to question authority or to think for themselves, are the true cult members.

Yeah! I heard great things about the Oakland run, plenty of shows to pick from or just a box set of all them. Also heard positive reviews of the lead up to that great run with the two nights in Long Beach. Some songs from the Long Beach shows have been on the 30 Dead Days downloads.
I wasn't aware that the St.Louis 1972 show was out there for sale in any other form than the recently sold out 'River' Box. Glad I picked that up earlier this year.

to the Trouble Ahead, Trouble Behind Current events thread www.dead.net slash forum slash trouble-ahead-trouble-behind-current-events-continued?page=20%2C12%2C0 This is not the place., and further political posts here will be removed to that thread. And please be civil and respectful of each other. Thank you.

....again.
That person. Not you Mary.

you all probably know that 11/19/72 is on my GITRDONEDAVE! list

You should definitely grab a copy if you get the chance. Everyone should have it in their collection.

'Gaucho' - Steely Dan
'Rastaman Vibration' - Bob Marley
'Buddy Guy & Junior Wells Play The Blues'
'Full House' - Wes Montgomery
'Lush Life' - John Coltrane

....yup. Definite upgrade.
Happy Monday!
#2188/6000 for those keeping score.

....gimme some more of that please and thank you.

Excellent song examples from those final Sabbath albums you mention there, in fact I was just jamming out to them on a playlist. A bit sample of the late 70's songs..... (in order),.. From {Sabotage},.. "Hole in the Sky" > "Symptom of the Universe" > "Thrill of it All" >>from {Technical Ecstasy},.. "Dirty Women" > "Back Street Kids" >>from {Never Say Die},... "Shock Wave" > "Johnny Blade" > "Junior's Eyes" > "A Hard Road" ....That there rounds out the tail end of my Black Sabbath condensed playlist with a bit of a gritty street theme. Sometimes I keep the playlists shortened to 80 minutes or less so I can burn discs. There really are so many awesome morsels of music from them oft overlooked albums.

****ALSO**** Thanks a bunch to DAVEROCK for enlightening us with an old 1970s Sabbath story. You really painted the picture of the scene and the show vividly in your paragraph! I always love the old stories! From the shows themselves to the street scenes.

.....Street, speaking of the street. Back to the Dead,.... SHAKEDOWN Babaaay!
More Shakedown Street releases please. A Keith & Donna version! Nov.~Dec. 1978ish?

Speaking of which, I got a great live cd by Led Zeppelin a couple of weeks ago called "Inner City Blues". It's a recording of their show in Southampton on 1/22/73. It's not an official release - although it sounds like one. I don't know how available releases like this the States - but this is well worth getting if you like Zeppelin. Maybe the best live recording I have heard by them.

Mosaic Records will release a box; Complete Vanguard Recording 1953-58. Many wellknown names in mainstream jazz are on this box - also the recordings of the great Jimmy Rushing. BW from frosty Copenhagen..

Daverock, instead of buying bootlegs, you should get into bit torrenting. It's easy and there's so much out there. I have a version of the Zep show you bought but haven't listened to it in forever. Firing it up now...

They Rule! Simply put.

Also, please be Kind to one another, our strength is in our solidarity and the truth that facts always win over misinformation for those smart enough to understand the difference.

Now back to your regularly scheduled Estimated > Eyes

Be Well People!
Sixtus

Came in yesterday. 561/2000.

Ordered Thursday, here on Monday!!!

The way it should be.

DANEHEAD - that Mosaic box looks very nice. Gonna request for Christmas. I spend way too much on things and I'm not working right now and Mrs Dennis has retired. I get the looks I don't need when albums arrive :-)

Like to hear the Billy shows from Hawaii later this month. Since the post mentioned "Doom Flamingo" who I know nuttin about but had 1 album from them. Her voice is very nice.

Don't know if anyone gets "The Funny Times", but they had a vinyl joke this month. Santa sitting with a trumpet, title above - "Kringle - The Decca Years". I laughed.

Checked and I have Better Left Unsung.

I watched her do Terrapin Station, playing a live show from 2023 right now.

Know what stands out....... NOBODY is talking!!!!!!

Just wanted to chime in and second your recommendation to check out Leon Bridges and Michael Kiwanuka, both are excellent. Check out Leon's two collaboration EPs with Khruangbin, Texas Sun and Texas Moon, some really cool sounds there, his solo stuff is pretty cool as well, especially his first album. Michael Kiwanuka has a really cool sound, I think his song Hero got some airtime on the local radio station a few years ago and it really caught my attention and lead to me picking up his albums, good stuff. I'll have to check out some of the other bands that you mentioned.