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    Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

     

    I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

    One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

    In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

    The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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  • gratefulgerd
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    Thank you Maine Dave,
    never heard of them. Found a video of them playing at Freak Valley Festival, June 2023, here in Germany.
    Great music, great sound. Fantastic!!!
    Got to get more.
    Cheers, G.

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    Sorry, gotta chime in for Black Sabbath, the Ozzy years for now anyway.
    Sabbath jammed {instrumentally} in the 1970s more than many radio familiar casual fans would know. The Vol.4 & Sabotage albums got much of that extended jam codas in stellar songs, "Wheels of Confusion/Straightener " and "Symptom of the Universe" respectively.
    I was too young to see them live so I can only imagine the performances of them tunes. Really all them early Sabbath albums had little instrumental diddlys. Sabbath Bloddy Sabbath is a classic as well as Paranoid, and the Master of Reality album is the Heavy Metal template of the looming future a decade later.
    A number of years back now I started a deep dive into the last two '70s Sabbath albums, Technical Ecstasy & Never Say Die. I found some real rockin' hidden gems of songs there and also tones of experimental keyboardy 'proggy' stuff on them albums not oft played if ever on the modern radio I tell ya!........
    .....Anyways, back to the Dead. Great autumn 1983 sound and pick for #52, I would be jamming it more but the 30 Days of Dead daze is a doozy this year!

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    Maine Dave - I also like checking out the Bandcamp website. I discovered an independent record label called The Library of the Occult on there earlier this year. From what I have heard, the music they release isn't really metal - I am not sure how you would describe it. The one album I have, by Magnetic Sunshine is full of groovy organ freakouts, backed up by clattering bongos and fuzz guitar. Great fun. I can imagine it being used a soundtrack to an Italian horror film from the 1970's.

    I haven't heard Green Lung. Despite Black Sabbath being one of my 5 a day during the first half of the 70's, I gradually moved away from heavy metal after that. Those first 4 Sabbath albums still sound good to me. I fact, most of the albums I liked back then do. Maybe we always like the music we first heard in out mid-late teens.

    What you referred to as "desert blues" sounds more like my cup of tea now. I'll do some checking out later.

    HCS - cheers. I am heading in the general direction of 11/17/73 - I agree, one of the best Daves Picks. Fall 1973 features some amazing shows. The Playing - UJB - Dew - UJB- Playing jam from 11/10 rang out here last night - and I notice that was also a feature of the Pauley Pavillion show. But before that - 11/11.

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    Hello friends!

    As Mark Twain "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated". You never know. But sure, we will survive! -;)

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    Oh and I should probably also mention

    I like Dave's #52 quite a lot!

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    Haven't posted in a while...

    ...But I feel like talking about, y'know, music.

    Interesting conversation about music (a few pages back) from the 70s as opposed to current day. I was born in 1963, and count me among those who grew up hearing (from my older sibs) that 1970s sucked, all the good bands sold out after Altamont, etc, or were dead like Jimi and Janis. Which maybe had some truth to it for some bands, but not for everybody of course.

    Meanwhile, I think there's a lot of good music out there now... You just gotta poke around. My favorite current band is a 3-piece out of Rochester NY called King Buffalo. Check them out on Bandcamp, they're the real deal imo. My gateway tune from them is "Morning Song," highly recommended. They call themselves "heavy psych," which I think means lots of trippy loopy guitar effects but none of the macho posturing of a lot of guitar bands. They can get noisy.

    Green Lung is a "pagan metal" band out of England (familiar to you, Daverock or Simonrob?) who I enjoy a great deal in a guilty-pleasure kind of way.

    ToYo are from Japan and play an affecting form of psychedelia (yeah, I don't really know what that is either) with Japanese lyrics and odd tunings. It's great. Worth checking their album "Stray Birds From the Far East" on Bandcamp.

    There's a fun site called Doom Charts that lists their top 40 heavy/stoner/sludgy/metal albums each month, as chosen by their worldwide network of listeners/reviewers. Want to find out more about Italian occult doom music? Here you go! There's a lot of unlistenable (to me) stuff here, but a whole lot of fun too. This is the site that turned me on to ToYo, for example. Or a band out of Scotland called The Kundalini Genie, which is sounds like someone built a time machine back to 1966 and came back with a whole bunch of great tunes.

    Bandcamp is a great site to noodle around in general, btw. All kinds of stuff there, much of which you can download for free.

    Amethyst Kiah and Rhiannan Giddens are terrific songwriters with great voices who release music both individually and as part of a quartet called Our Native Daughters, four Black women who play a kind of folk- or traditionally-inflected American acoustic music. Giddens has a song called "At the Purchaser's Option" which is beautiful and heartbreaking. You can find a live version on the Toob. Kiah's gateway song (for me) is called "Black Myself," and it straight out rocks.

    And I haven't even mentioned Tinariwen, who are hands down the greatest band on the planet right now (and for maybe the past 15 years). I think they were mentioned on this board some time ago... Lots of vids on the Toob to check out. Either they grab you or they don't. Me, I find them trance-inducing in the best possible way. And there's a whole array of "desert blues" outfits that plow some similar territory (Bombino, Tamikrest, Les Filles de Illighadad, etc).

    Oh and a couple more recs: Michael Kiwanuka and Leon Bridges. If you are open to hip-hop, then Run the Jewels are worth a listen, as is Killer Mike's solo album "Michael." Check out the video for RTJ's "Down."

    Okay I'll stop. I only intended to list a couple of recommendations, but before you know it... Yeah. Anyway, thanks for putting up with my meanderings.

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    Truthfully no one Seahawk QB ever ran like Russ, either for yardage or escapability. {Zorn was the next best, but only on his feet} Hell, for the most part Russ best and longest yardage runs came off broken plays. Though he wasn't too shabby with designed rushing plays either.
    Geno has never struck me as a lateral mover, usually he don't escape the pass rush or he does but then makes an errant throw. I must say though, as a forward runner Geno ain't too bad at all & deceptively fast! Those quick improvisational decisions to just break forward and sprint out the pocket were the difference in that game.
    Sorry! This is MY OFF SUBJECT POST of the month.
    Go rip city! Blazers triumphed again! A hat trick of wins!

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    Nice victory today

    (Seahawks fans needed that)

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    Put on 10 24 71

    China Rider

    Ja, gerne

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    to the whole Pauley Pavillion show. So great, every tune. I forgot how great it was, to be honest. They are definitely in the zone. The mix is also superb.

    Strongly recommended.

    Actually, forget I recommended it. That might turn you off to it.

    Pretend your friend recommended it, and just go listen. Whatever it takes. It is that good. Wow.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

 

I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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If you didn't already know, all vinyl on here is on sale, 25% off

Last few:
Caravan For Girls Who Grow Plump in the Night
Raging Slab True Death EP
Guty Cardenas Lirio Azul CD
Moody Blues Seventh Sojourn
GD 6-10-76
GD 1977 King Biscuit broadcast

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Thank you Obeah for that deep inquisitive analysis! Very sound theories indeed.
When I recall the last few SeaChats, Dave mentioned a new 'era' for #54, which could as well be an era within an era. He also mentioned it was a show they had pretty much already decided on as the first release of said era. So with that in mind, there are only so many possibilities. Now for 2025 I had felt 1976 was due up as it would only be the fourth Dave's Pick release from that year, now confirmed by starting off with that pick. Thank You Dave! Dancin' in the Street.
I got a feeling that the 1983 release for #52 was bumped up in the rotation for one reason or another. I say that because I recall Dave saying that each of the four releases from 2024 would all cover different band member line~ups, which wasn't the case. DaP#49 & DaP#52 are the same musicians so to speak. That said, Dave has also made it clear in the past seachats that sometimes they improvise with the release plan, as things can change on a whim.
Driveled answer quick conclusion is,.... I think we've got a 1969 Banana Box Pick for #54 or perhaps instead a September 1970 pick with the bonus disc. As for #55 I feel an autumn 1973 show is on the wind, I say that because all but one Dave's from 1973 are spring tour. So for the last release of the year #56, I predict the first Vince era pick, maybe a show with Bruce? Anyways, If the final 2025 pick ain't that, then perhaps it's a late era Brent pick. Maybe 1988, with some early "Built To Last" tunes scattered about?

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....that Without A Net vinyl looks good.
Btw. Target is having a buy two get one free vinyl sale. And they have Without A Net. Warning. Their search engine is trash.

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The best Deal going there is the Lyceum Box.
I scored that last year for that price.
A most excellent purchase.

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I checked and did not have this vinyl!?!

Got it from amazon 40 bucks with overnight shipping! Now that's a deal!

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Good price, I paid full freight when it came out. I would have thought this would sell out quick, but a guess a 500 price tag made people say NO.

It's a nice box on the shelf, I want to end up with all E72 in vinyl, I think I have them all so far :-)

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E-Sharp.

Ha Ha,,,, just a note to remind/point out Friday is record store day. 5/577 coming out and Jerry on the Eel.

I'll be standing in line like an idiot :-)

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Error!
There is no E sharp, it’s an F lol

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...actually more than once. Most recently he got me good with the seaside chat language that presaged #51. TBF I'm not alone in that: a number of us thought his comments inferred the imminent release of a Vince-era show, rather than the "Bar Band" of Spring '71 that rocked audiences in the wake of Mickey's departure.

And I make that observation as I thank you for the kind words @RYXS while also simultaneously noting that I should be honest and humble in acknowledging that I'm *usually wrong* in trying to guess where Dave's going next. Vol 51 is just the latest example; def didn't think he'd revisit '71 again so quickly after Vol 48. Maybe the box set is going to be one release from every 10 years - '65 through '95 inclusive. (I think there's still one '75 show yet to be released! Although it probably has guests...)

I think I sometimes make those long posts in an attempt to bring structure to 30 years of Grateful Dead music. I know it's a fool's errand... and heck, on that note, order is decidedly NOT what this band is about for chrissakes (silly Obeah!). But one thing I never tire of is seeing how passionate this community is about their favorite shows and the candidates we cite for next release. I often imagine Dave Lemieux quietly browsing through, probably not making notes - one can't lead by committee - but hopefully being amused.

Cheers, folks. Next up: 12/9/81.

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I believe there are no shows from 1965.. but maybe we will get "30 Trips" vol. 2..

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How’s bout a multi-era mega box, that can be purchased in custom modular segments, the draw being the more era segments you buy, the deeper the discounts!!!. So for our friendly contingent that would prefer less and/or only primal etc, they could do just that, but at a premium. Only want Brucey and Vince, cool, we got ya covered, at a premium.
And yes I think you’d have to do the premium cost to ensure the more pricey “complete” box would be fair/competitive.
That would give any DH, from any era, a chance to participate and enjoy chever way their pleasure tends, but not be unhappy being forced to go bigger than they’d like, AND!…would most likely get some fence sitting types to purchase at least something, versus all of nothing, if it’s one mega choice only?
Just a thought…

I’d do the era segments something like below based on what’s released, what potentially is available, and what’s underrepresented (imho) of course ; )
Counts could vary slightly to accommodate show lengths. (Hate to miss a really good one because disc count for era was 1 or 2 off…)

66-69: 25 discs (chopped up, incomplete..as long as it rocks! Nice time for a garage sale ; )
70-75: 20 discs. Still plenty gold in them hills
76-79: 15 discs. this era has been heavily mined…have to leave something for future too!
80-89: 25 discs. I’d say more but…
90-95: 15 discs

That’s 100 total, (hey it’s Sixty, will their even be another official one?)
so not that much bigger than Boxilla, and as I say, each module or segment could be purchased separately, so, everybody eats!
😀

If we only had access to your wife's credit card.

Still haven't gone down the vinyl train. Have way too many CDs and money invested at this point to even think about it.

I think you have it right on the money with how you laid it out there. It's both comprehensive - mightily appropriate for the 60th - and still flexible regarding how people who have collected a lot already could fill in the particular gaps or eras they seek ... without having to chance missing out on the whole thing due to an 'all or nothing - lump sum' barrier.

Anyways: Travel well, All (if you are doing so) and have a Happy Thanksgiving.
Peace

As I posted the other day about the big Floyd Box, I got all the mini Boxes for half the price and only missed out on 1or 2 bonus CD’s, all the schwag that I don’t need, and 2 movies that are available individually.

Whether Dave/Rhino go big, small, or modular I’ll buy them.

Dennis, I also have all the E72 vinyl released so far.

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Cool song by Van Morrison:

'No More Lockdown'

No more lockdown
No more government overreach
No more fascist police
Disturbing our peace
No more taking of our freedom
And our God-given rights
Pretending it's for our safety
When it's really to enslave
Who's running our country?
Who's running our world?
Examine it closely
And watch it unfurl

....chugs along. It takes much resistance to NOT go crazy with purchases.
Tis a test of wills.
TBH, never heard Van's No More Lockdown. Just did and that song sucks in general, regardless of the message behind/in front of it. Lmao. Whatever. Musical tastes and appreciation comes in many shapes and sizes.
Now, The Bitter Boogie by KGLW? Now, there's a cool song. At least to me 🍻

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.....the Internet told me that the remaining members were planning to play again together next year. They even had practice time scheduled. Then Phil passed.

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Which means

Time to scream my release wishes into the electronic void

11 19 72
2 9 73
9 10 83
2 17 79
11 26 72
Anything 67 68 69
9 19 70
9 20 70
10 24 71
GREEKS

Hopefully I still have 19 years in me

365 x 19 + 4 = 6,939 days for GD listening

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Haven't checked out the tune by Van the Man yet, probably will soon now, always dug 1983, a Merman I Should Turn To Be, and really the entirety of Electric Ladyland (not to be confused with the also excellent Electriclarryland by BHS). Here's some more random lyrics.

Talk Talk Talk
Cheap language, standing up your pride
On a blanket of lies
Walk walk walk
Like a motherfucker, steady stride
So step aside
Say say say
Ain't a thing in the world you mind
Easy to unwind
Play play play
Tough looking, shaded pair of eyes
Must be such a grind
Grown so tired of my own facade
Taking off my sunglasses inside
Try to keep a safe distance from the vacant lot
Empty styles from and empty mind

Yeah, Ghost Funk Orchestra hitting it for me like KGLW is hitting it for Vguy. Started watching Ozarks recently and that is hitting the spot as well, really relate to Marty and the themes of betrayal.

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A cobra seer with punctured ear
Slaughtered a Malayan sun bear
Night stood erect with bronzen haunches
Zapped the seer gave the bear back to us
Salamanda Palaganda
June's buffalo too
In the Parisian zoo

Marc Bolan

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If you follow the Steve Hoffman forum, Dennis' wife's credit card floats around all the time. Then she figures it out, changes the card number and it takes a couple months for it to resurface but it's always out there when box sets are announced and just before record store day.

It's a little sad to read and see the videos of the guys talking about planned practices with Phil and the plans to play together for the 60th. Such a long, long time to be gone and a short time to be there. Chokes me up a little, he brought so much joy.

I had definite plans to see Phil's 85th birthday romp at the Capitol. What could have been... at least we have what was.

Well, it's up to us to push on and keep it all moving, keep it fun and keep it alive.

Edit: All in good fun, of course what I said about the Hoffman forum is not true and I thank Dennis in advance for being a good sport and putting up with us. You will not find Dennis wife's credit card info on the Steve Hoffman forum. Send me a PM if you need it.

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One of the more amusing things that I've seen was a documentary with a scene featuring Ice-T breaking down the lyrics to 6 In the Morning and translating them to a more mainstream vernacular. That song is pretty cool, pretty catchy stuff. Also, I realize that Dennis was quoting Lethal Weapon, not 6 In the Morning.

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‘Til your night job pays.

Was just listening to 9-20-82 in the car.

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I have been one acquainted with the night.
I have walked out in rain—and back in rain.
I have outwalked the furthest city light.

I have looked down the saddest city lane.
I have passed by the watchman on his beat
And dropped my eyes, unwilling to explain.

I have stood still and stopped the sound of feet
When far away an interrupted cry
Came over houses from another street,

But not to call me back or say good-bye;
And further still at an unearthly height,
One luminary clock against the sky

Proclaimed the time was neither wrong nor right.
I have been one acquainted with the night.

My friends, I shall be leaving you for a while, going silent yet not absent, greater issues are calling me, sadness acrues but shall not destroy, in the night of death, hope sees a star, and listening love can hear the rustle of a wing......

Doc
Because I could not stop for death,
He kindly stopped for me,
The carriage held but just ourselves
And immortality.

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Then somethin' woke me up from my dark sleep
The sound of fuckin' police when they're tryin' to creep
Broke through my door with no goddamn warning
Looked at my watch it was six in the mornin'

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Everyone out there (if UB 'Merican), have a good bird day. Hope all enjoy time with friends and family. (yeah, right, family :-) )

Doc, sad what I reading and what I read between the lines. Keep the strength and know there are many here who will hold a good thought.

Now time to make my legendary cornbread stuffing and pack the livin' shit out of that bird. Why I bought a 24 lbs bird I don't know, only 7 showing up this year :-)

I tell you truly, in my old age, a 24 pounder is getting harder to lift into the oven!

Enjoy all!

....good to know that you know who's Thanksgiving message was spiteful as usual. No new news there. Yay.
Btw. There is a kickstarter going on to release Greyfolded on vinyl. 54 hrs left. Chip in if you can, because I would like to own one. Cannot send link.✌️
Stay well Doc. We love you.

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I know that I've not been here nearly as long as some, nor contributed to this community and its dialogues as meaningfully as many: nevertheless, do please allow me to wish you (and your nearest and dearest) peace and hope, Doc.

Water draws together to become ice,
And ice disperses again to become water...

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