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  • 1stshow70878
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    Thx Oro

    So 15 ips or 30 ips would have been impractical for shows I imagine. Expense, changing reels too often, and as these were for listening by the band not studio use, etc. But what about them using noise reduction? I'm guessing no Dolby.
    As an aside, I seldom have my Dolby on when listening to cassettes even though most were recorded with it. Even factory tapes with Dolby seem less muffled without it and I'm not listening at thunderous levels (most of the time) where hiss is an issue.
    Skylabs, a top notch mid-western audio repairer, no longer works on certain categories of equipment: Consoles, quad receivers, linear tracking turntables, automatic turntables, and reel to reels. Just not worth it from a cost perspective for what those machines sell for vs. repair costs. There are still plenty of specialists who will and R-to-Rs are available restored at very reasonable prices but good luck finding pre-recorded tapes (old or new). Nobody makes them anymore. I was never tempted but my cassette guy sells tons of R-to-Rs for like $200-$300 fully restored, but they are more run of the mill Sony and not high end. And they sell fast!
    Thanks again and cheers bro

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    First half of GDM soundtrack

    Ist show. The more surface area (wider the tape), and/or the faster the recording speed, the higher the resolution. And yes R2R can most certainly sound best. (Like anything though, if done well)
    The problem is a good one is very expensive, they’re as hard to keep maintained etc as a TT, and good linage quality tapes are rare and expensive, oh, and more a pain to “flip” than even a record…but they can sound amazing!

    Remember, many CDs AND most vinyl are sourced from (hopefully) master R2R tapes! A purist with the gear and ears might argue that direct to (vinyl) disc recording is the ultimate…but good luck lol
    One of the main reasons digital still gets such a bad rap is twofold
    1- the conversion used originally, and lack of attention to disparity’s between different DACs in the chain. Conversion has come a loonnggg way baby! AND…
    2- a significant number of the CDs first produced to meet the huge demand were not sourced from the master tapes, and lineage and source quality were often a joke! Caveat emptor: not all CDs are created alike!…or Blu-ray’s, or DVDs, or Vinyl etc Like drugs boys and girls, know your sources!

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    5th show in the box.
    OK, now were getting there.
    Great 1st set.
    2nd set list looks good too.
    Moving right along...
    Cheers

    Random ?s for the tapers and the knowledgeable. Were these original tapes running at 7.5 ips on reel to reels and were they done with any Dolby or whatever? And do you audience tapers use any noise reduction? Been talking to an analog guy who says with reel to reel running fast you get superior saturation and the best analog sound of all, which to his ear beats CDs and even vinyl, and Dolby is unnecessary for good reel to reel recordings.

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    climb on the fence, you idiot"

    august 6th 1974

    now that's much better, the sound is less polished or over-dubbed...or whatever...

    support your local library,
    my better half's employer also

    Peace for All!
    uncle_tripel

    PS - Hey Bobby, party like it's 1984, Happy B-day!

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    This is a little niche for this forum since I’m streaming it on BBC iplayer so it’s probably only accessible in the UK,
    John Martyn - Live at Reading University 1978
    This is an episode of ‘Rock Goes to College’. We saw him several times 78 -79 and his solo concerts were always excellent. It’s available for the next 27 days and is highly recommended. For those who can’t access it I recommend his album ‘One World’ which was his current album when this concert was recorded.
    Edit: To be honest I’d recommend any of his albums really

  • Oroborous
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    Slumming it ; )

    With Dave’s 17, since the rude abrupt halt to my research via the archive being down : (
    Ah well, I’ll just have to suffer lol

    Hope their highly trained crack equipment crew gets it just exactly perfect sooner than later 🤞Was gonna do the big five O anniversary treatment of Rocktober 74, complete in order as I don’t think I’ve done so? Sigh…bastards!

    Kudos to Uncle T supporting the local Library! (TOO is a librarian ; )
    If you don’t use em, ya lose em!
    And remember, they killed Marion ; )

  • uncle_tripel
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    yeah, so ...

    ...this weekend I visited our local library, been awhile...
    took home the 5 CD GOGD Movie Soundtrack box...
    today's listening party:

    oct 20 1974 set 2

    maybe, I'll need to listen to this box abit more, or maybe not...?
    finding the mix is almost like, well, you know, too studioish...

    ... DL announcement later this week, hey now, how about it?

    make LOVE, not WAR!!!

    uncle_tripel

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    10 9 89

  • icecrmcnkd
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    Been listening to some early 80’s shows Dave has sent our way previously as I await the upcoming announcement.

    Last 5

    10-12-84 playing now
    9-20,21-82 MSG Box
    4-26-83 DaP39
    9-2-83 DaP27

  • uncle_tripel
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    rupp...

    ...unfortunately found out that my disc is corrupt after Stella,
    so no truckin' > pitb or encores; whatcha gonna do?
    anyways...

    today, I'm gonna extend the friends of the devils theme to

    september 16 1978 set 2
    ollin arrageed (hamza el din)

    everyone enjoy your weekend!
    make LOVE, not WAR!!!

    uncle_tripel

    PS - new upcoming box set...maybe...?....in 2026...
    May 1978...that would be something

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Yeah PF it’s a shame the DS etc is chopped up.
Really enjoyed this one, especially that DS was way cool then…ugh
Be great if this was a banana box baby…

Not sure what to hit today?
Maybe start on the last 11 from 94, then next week maybe that E90 tour?
I know I dug the previous fall 90 shows, and PFs been digging the E tour, so I might sneak that in for extra credit lol
But first “she left my fat ass there by side of the road”
It’s walk me out in the mornin walk my honey…

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it is…decent aud, sweet Jack to open, ok first, now into Hey Now, hey now lol
Edit: yowsa! Great second set, but the PITB Jam into UJB, THAT is why I listen to these other years! 1stshow, we’re you at these?

Onto 11/30/94

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The end years still had some good parts.

From Set II - sequence of Estimated > Eyes > D/S > Trucking > Black Peter > Around > Sugar Magnolia E: Baby Blue

IWT. Space > Trucking > Black Peter were 30 Days contest for 11/10. Ages since I'd listened to this show and thought I'd circle back. Set I a little rough in places. Set II was a blast, a sweet sweet summer evening > night, lot of weather in the area, remember the wind hinting at rain during Eyes and it was just perfect. Excellent drumzspace - love(d) the marimba. Heavens opened up either during Baby Blue or just as it it finished. Buckets of rain, cats and dogs pouring from the sky. Somehow, soaked to the bone, we all found each other afterwards once the storm passed. Oh yeah - forgot to mention that Set II opened with a touch of the Twilight Zone(!!) > Women are Smarter > Going Down The Road

Fresh Jam of the Week and this Dark Star is beautiful! Felt like I was dropped into an ancient, mythical land. A great way to start this Friday morning.

Edit - and on to the whole show. what we have is amazing. New Potato!!

Terrapin > Playing > Drums > Not Fade Away > Comes A Time > Playing.
E: Johnny B Goode

out of this world - beautiful. A favorite sequence from Spring '77 and just in general.

Earlier a DH friend stopped by unexpected. He hasn't really been purchasing archival releases over the last few years. Whipped up some dinner and we listened to 4/16/78 Huntington WV. It was awesome (both dinner and the music) and now he's gonna buy the Friend of the Devils box.

12/9&11/94

First meh, second show had a great set list but the playing was inconsistent.
Of course there is that sweet Days Between Dave ended up using…

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Buffalo 9th of May 1977, the day after the Cornell show, & some say it's even better.
There are practically no tracks in common, so it's good to hear both of them.
I recorded Buffalo to my computer from Archive, but I find it strange that there's no released separate copy. The bundled limited edition of New Haven, Boston, Cornell & Buffalo is fine if you don't mind spending about $500.

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Sweet Birdsong jam…

And now, Shaking on down with 12/15/94.

And finish with 12/16/94

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DiP 19, Disc 3. - Given that much of my listening is on/through my desktop I finally treated myself to a iFi ZenDAC3 headphone amp w/ iFi 5 volt external power supply. Just arrived and thought I'd take one of my favorite passages of all time for a spin. Headphones are Sennheiser HD650s. It is glorious.

Better Left Unsung - her first GD release.

So incredibly beautiful. Love love love her playing.

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didn’t get a good listen yesterday to 12/16/94 but heard enough to fire up the second set again! Cool Branford gig!

Now onto 12/18…
Another nice second set!
And 12/19 was nice too. LA was a nice little run!

Edit: Yeah BC, I know you dig some 94, so check out the first night of Denver, I know the Auds not great, but it’s not too bad and the show I felt was worth it…especially the PITB jam etc…
And definitely check out 12/16 with Brandford!

I’ve now hit every 94 from 6/8 onward. Didn’t mean too. Started just wanting to check out summer tour and my 30th anniversary shows, but enjoyed them so much I kept going. Really dug the fall tour!

Prolly freak freely, or hit 52 and some other 83 mañana, then onto E90!
Onward!

Dbl Edit: 10/19/73…sigh, don’t know what it is about THAT one lol
So majestic.
Ain’t it crazy how much a little DAC can do!

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Lucky you! That system missed us here in the high desert.

Didn't know about that December show with Branford. Will have to check it out. Tried one of the McNichols shows but had a hard time getting past the audience pulls - they all seemed very distant.

Right now listening to Phil Lesh and Friends - Highlights Vol. 1 - And Love Will See You Through.

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...?

march 22 1973
in utica ny
at utica memorial auditorium
capacity of 5,700

can ya imagine that?

PEACE for ALL!
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I've been missing from the Dead forums for a while now !! Here again !!

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Cue War: “take a little trip…”

So onto Europe 90
Dug the fall tour so much, and with PFs enthusiastic enjoyment, figure I need to just Do It! So here we go, 10/13/90 it is…

Edit: Utica! Yeah Uncle it was a very small venue…front row Jerry for the rocking 3/13/81 show. Wish I remember more, but being young and dumb (some things never change, ahem) I bought a big bottle of 7/7 thinking all the heads could “stay warm” outside for the long GA wait to get in.
Well, lesson learned: cold tripping DH don’t normally drink much, at least before a show…well being in top Olympic form and 7/7 being the go go juice of choice for the band and road crew I was on, I just eventually quaffed her down mostly myself, which would have been fine if we didn’t later smoke sooooo many joints waiting on the floor….
All I’m gonna say bout that is seek Fat Freddie’s wisdom on that lol
But hey, I never left the front rail and ended up having a good show, and learned a valuable lesson that all 18 year olds should know lol
One and only show I ever got that kind of too wasted…
Good show if you’ve never checked it!

Dbl Edit: once again PF has me laughing: imagining him in middle of the teachers lounge correcting student gibberish, edibles, with cans on, cranking heavy metal or some atonal Dark Star while his unsuspecting cohort blather on about nothing LOL!
A true warrior!
Onward Brother!

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the 13 was definitely off from the years previous shows, but I didn’t find it as bad as some have stated. I think DM in his GD bio said it was the worse show he saw? I’m betting set and setting had some influence. I know shows that at the time I thought in the experiential context were no bueno, years later, removed from the set and setting, and ensconced in the luxuries of home, I have not found any shows as bad, or sometimes as good as thought BITD…
Maybe that’s just me?

You can hear the 17 sounds more status quo of this fine year than the 13 fo sho…

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Glad you are getting into Europe 90

13th is a warm up

Plenty of good stuff on the tour yes

Glad I could make you laugh
:)))

Onward, indeed

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10 24 71

DARK STAR

and

it has a Cumberland

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...lol...bottle of 7/7!

march 24 1973
aka daP 32
spectrum in phila

and
"it's gonna be the whole thing"

PEACE for ALL!
uncle_tripel

PS - just checked my treasure chest,
CD-R's of EU '90
10/19 - 10/20 - 10/22
will check them out this weekend

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4-18-78 Pittsburgh.
The Scarlet > Dancing is suspenseful.
You just keep wondering when they are going to get to Fire and then they don't. And it's a wonderful journey getting there.
Cheers

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Set I closer - Bird Song > Music Never Stopped. And now Set II.

That run was a whole lot of fun!

Edit - and today I learned that Bowie was playing Mile High this night! WAT??!!

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The only time I made Red Rocks. My memories of the third show are the best. Wish the recordings were better. Wish my memory was better. I think me and my girlfriend at the time were having some difficulties this week which sort of got in the way of the shows. Too bad, but we had been away for a month by this point and sleep came at a premium. Still a good time and there was a lot of magic seeing the GD at the Rocks.

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You should check out today's 30 days :) that was a sweet Box of Rain to close Set I.

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Driving across the ship canal bridge into Seattle
Nice sunrise with Cascade Mountains
Let It Grow 10 30 90 playing
Yes
Yes
Yes

GBtGD

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On Dave's Picks 3 - quite a snappy show. With 10/21 on the 3rd disc, we have "The Other One", "Dark Star" and hot licks a go go on the country/rock n' roll songs.

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...finished 3/24/73
and 10/22/90 frankfurt (sounded abit tired and vocals seemed muddled)

today
10/19/90 ICC in Berlin
was a radio broadcast
and a band with much more enthusiasm

everyone have a safe weekend
stay dry
and rock on

PEACE for ALL!
uncle_tripel

edit ---
xtended the pre-order
by a week
???
probably
should lower the
subscription qty
lower to 20k
introduce a
additional
mini-release of
6 CD's
(2 shows from '73-'74)
(3 shows from 1982, hahaha)

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I also enjoyed the shows at Red Rocks 87. Does anyone else recall seeing b&w video monitors on the mixing board all 3 nights? (In addition to the unofficial version already available online). I suspect there is a lot more 87 video too, judging from what was officially released during that era.

Related note, I like meet up at the movies, and would even enjoy seeing compiled short bits of older video with intros and history from GD folks. Ive been visiting "Wolfgang's Dead" Youtoop channel lately. There is so much more than I ever knew. So, If they release it, I will buy it..

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Day off and fired this up, since I didn't have the opportunity to listen to it on the anniversary yesterday. BTW keeps pouring in ! ... Awesome set 2, plus love the OO - MLB - Stella filler from the 20th.

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10/20&22/90
Both good, thought first show was better. Loved the Bruce Jam in the first, and sweet spacey Dark Star, though perhaps not JGs best version. In fact I’m digging these shows a lot, but Jer occasionally seems? Every now and then he kinda drifts? Hard to describe, just something..is..? Maybe just me?
Fun if not great Valley Road, nice SOTM, and that Stella might just be the best thing I’ve heard on the tour so far, amazing Stella on the 22!

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10/24/90 to start…
EDIT: smooth show, perhaps best playing overall this tour, if perhaps a bit safe/cautious?

Onto 10/27, and hoping for a DHB with 10/28 as TOO is off to work, woo hoo!
Dbl Edit: holy crap! Now I’ve played the Boxilla 27th before, but I guess I hadn’t actually “heard” it yet! Yowsa! Good Sheet Mon!

Ok, onto the 28…

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while perusing NFL game day with sound off! (Only way to do sports ; )

Hopefully 10/31 later…

Yep gay Pair-ee I’d say was the shizzle so far. Both shows rocked and had few flaws, let’s see how jolly old England stacks up?

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Phil ... Absolutely mashing it !!!
To think of the folks being plastered back into those lower stone seats as he thundered along on the Eleven & Caution!
Bless you Phil (and the boys) for all the fun you gave us for all those years. I was lucky enough to be able to experience that exact Greek sensation just once - an indelibly (psychedelically) imprinted version of the Other One at the final GD Greek Theatre show - August 1989.

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Wow, the three Wembley shows were all over the place!
The first on the 30th was tour status quo goodness! Though I still think Paris was top dog, and Mr David picked well with 10/27.
The 31 starts out awesome, but somewhere in the first set Jers voice suddenly goes rogue, which is a shame because the show is well played otherwise with many highlights, including a fun encore.

11/1/90 I’d heard/had at least the second but it’s been awhile.
The Playin Sammy/sequence is awesome! Victum was good, Touch ok, but consistency wise, much of this show was all over the place, including a couple near train wrecks i.e., U.S, Blew…
Interesting tour. Might as well keep Truckin’ on…12/3/90

Edit: S-W-B: can you imagine if he had the same PA, Modulus Bass, PIE Amps, Meyers 18’s and 15’s, and rack in 68 as he had when you were there!

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Poor Jerry's voice

but again

I don't listen to GD for the vocals

took a chance and played Scarlet Fire from 3/10/81 for my son last night and emphasized the peak toward the end of Fire

he appreciates the musicianship and respects the GD
I consider that a win

Set II, begins "in the pouring rain", only Autzen night show(?) or was it an afternoon show on a Friday which is why I couldn't make it down from Seattle? Anyhoo, sure wish I'd been there - saw the 2 shows in Seattle before and then the 2 Autzen shows after this (last time they played there).

Rain > Eyes > Samba > Saint > D/S > Wheel > Attics > Throwing > Not Fade Away

no circulating sbd - can anybody fix that : ) - source is the Paul B audience transfer - sweet pull

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That sounds like a pretty good description of me when The Dead came to Wembley in 1990 ! I was lucky to catch all three shows, and of those the one I enjoyed the most was the first - 10/30/90. I went on my own and didn't ingest anything stronger than a couple of pints - maybe that helped.
It was an amazing scene to me outside the stadium, with all the vendors selling their wares. Inside was great too, milling around. I was right near the front in the stalls - after all these years of listening to The Dead and reading about them- there they were, in person , within shouting distance. Songs which stood out were Row Jimmy Row ( not a song I like at home), Built to Last - which had a lot more substance than the recorded version, and Black Peter - quite something seeing Jerry sing this close up.
It was a buzz when they started up Lovelight, too. I had probably never heard a version of this post Pigpen, so the mere fact of them playing something off Live Dead was reward in itself. Weird phone calls seemed to come out of the amps during this song. They are transcribed in the Taping Compendium, which was quite re-assuring to read. Proof I hadn't imagined it!

The following night I was joined by Lady Macbeth, as my dad called my girlfriend, and trouble followed. We arrived as they were playing H-S-F, and they seemed to have more energy than the previous night. But we left after the first set. The third night I was back on my tod, and decided to take some mushrooms. And got lost on the way there due to one of the tube stations being closed. I still arrived on time, but I started tripping on the London underground which was a bit...challenging. I was up in the balcony this night, to the right of the stage. The sound was really bad - what I heard was anyway. The piano sounded too loud and the guitars too quiet. The highlight of this night was Space- Drums.

I agree that, of the shows I have heard from this tour, the one released in 30 Trips - Paris 10/27/90 - is the best. Playing now as I type.

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Half way through the first and really nice!
Hot Jack opener!

12/3 was good, but I don’t recall any real standouts one way or another…

6/17/94: BC, BUMMER! Dooode I thought Seattle was decent, and the 2 Autzens you saw were good, but 6/17…that’s gotta be in top ten for the year!
Sorry, That’s gotta still hurt ; )

Nice/interesting tales DR. My cousin would say “little bit of something better than all of nothing”.
So you caught one of the tours best in good shape, then that awesome H/S/F and a good set, but, Not Loose Lucy was having none of it (bummer), so you missed a good second set with less than optimum JG voice, but you got to experience 11/1 and most especially DS on veggies…it’s like one of those CC ads:
Tix 100
Subway 20
Supplies 50
Annoying GF X
Playin>Jam>DS> Killer D/S>DS>Playin…Priceless!

I spent 17 years chasing that kinda goodness lol
I’d say you did pretty well.
Onward! (Wonder how many times I’ll have to shovel today? Lol)

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5-22-77, Nice clean pressing.
Why do the lower frequencies sound so much better on vinyl? Drums and bass both. Phil sounds so good. This Sugaree is monumental!
Rainy so far here Oro.
Cheers