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    Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

     

    I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

    One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

    In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

    The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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    it's world philosophy day

    please go to that toob and listen to MPFC's Philosophers Song.

    I learned a whole lot of philosophers names by that song

    IIIIIImanuel Kant was a real pissant
    who was very rarely stable...

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    Avalon Ballroom, Fillmore East & West, Greek, Warfield, Ventura,Frost, Oakland, Winterland, big or small Ill take them all.

  • Oroborous
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    I feel ya DR

    And agree with all, except the mediocre part (but no problem one man gathers what another man spills and we’ve already been through all that lol) ; )
    I’m just afraid if we get too picky we’ll end up with nothing sooner than later…

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    I liked the idea that Jim posted that we have a couple of small boxes a year, not just one. I would be more likely to buy a mini box than a big one - unless it was something which was really special to me. For me, this 1978 box was way too big, and the quality of the shows doesn't justify the expense.
    An FM Fall 1971 box was suggested as a good idea recently, and somebody printed a list of all the shows that had been recorded in this way at that time. For me, it would be way over the top to release all of them in a huge, and hugely expensive box. But a few well selected shows, would make a truly great box

    It also has to be said that at 67, it is by no means certain that I will still be alive in 5-10 -15 years time. So any business plan that is looking at the long term isn't really relevant to me. A selfish reaction, perhaps, but I would hope for the cream of the crop being released ASAP - not padded out with average shows so the release plan can stretch on for another 15 years. If they take much longer to get to 9/70, or the Ark shows from 1969, there might be none of us left to buy them !

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    ....big. Small. I want them all.
    FYI. If you have Spotify, bootleg gizzard uploads soundboards from their shows. Check it out!
    Listening to the San Diego show from a couple of weeks ago now.

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    I wouldn’t mind seeing a box from Family Dog at the Great Highway. Even if it’s only bits of shows that are releasable.
    There’s a couple 30 DoD selections from this year that got me thinking about this.

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    Yes, small boxes in addition to the one big box. Of course you are correct, these releases all need to sell out to keep the party moving.

    How many Dave's Picks are still for sale from the last two years?
    Two box sets still for sale as well.

    Hard it know which Dave's will sell out next.

    I would also add a fifth pick in mid to late December. Would be fun.

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    …Pulls at “the roost” lol ; )

    Hate to be contrarian, but I don’t like the small boxes, seem like kinda a waste.
    Since we only get one lousy box a year, I like em as big as possible!
    Plus, it’s a good way to get some shows out that might be on the fence otherwise.

    Riddle me this Batman: how many more years do you think this will continue especially when people are selective and don’t support it?
    Sorry, I get why folks don’t want what they don’t want, and that is fine and dandy! But, this is unfortunately a business, the business of selling things, and if people don’t buy those things, they’ll just stop making/selling them…so how many more years do you really think this will go on?

    So X equals what, 5, 10, maybe 15 years…so X times the pace/methodology they’ve been continually using =
    Years
    5= 5 boxes TOTAL, plus (4 DaP X 5= 20)
    10= 10 boxes TOTAL, plus (4 DaP X 10= 40)
    15= 15 boxes TOTAL, plus (4 DaP X 15= 60)

    I’m gonna guess he’ll keep going to DaP 100 just for shits and giggles and because it’s a nice round number, and we’re into the 13 year I believe, so 12 or so more to get to 100, and figure in Dave’s age etc, and that’s my guess.
    Hell do it for 25 years and 100 DaP,… IF…the sales support it…

    So that would be mean only 12 or 13 more boxes at current methodology.
    So 12 mini boxes is only 24-36 shows, versus at the current average of 5 or 6 shows per box gives us 60-72 shows…a nice 8 show box like this years would be a total of 96 shows! (Don’t worry, there are plenty of good shows left!, just maybe not what YOU like ; )

    Now I’m sure some who only want a small, selective set of shows wouldn’t care, but for those who want as much as possible, it’s a waste to have to wait a whole year for just a 2 show box. And!…what if you keep waiting on that one special one YOU must have from i.e., fall 70, or April 69, Rochester 85, Philly 89, or whatever etc, , but increasingly they (hopefully) give more attention to all eras, that means your odds of getting what you want diminishes greatly…
    No, I’m greedy, I want it all, so I think boxes should be bigger like some other bands do, not smaller. How big was that Floyd box, how many discs?

    Now if they changed their methodology and increased the rate of releases, (I think this is what Jim said?) great! I don’t care how they do it, just so we get the maximum amount of shows fixed up and released! So no, imho if small boxes replace a larger one it’s no bueno! But hey, that’s just me.

    If I was in charge, lol,( yee gads run for the hills lol) if I was in charge I’d do
    5 DaP a year with more dbl shows
    1 or 2 minis a year
    1 bigger box a year
    and bring back the occasional stand alone show/release ala Nightfall of Diamonds, Rocking the Rhein, Ladies and Gentlemen, Dozen at the Nick etc etc,
    And! yes full shows are the gold standard, but I think most of us wouldn’t care if we got some RJ shows (top shelf where mama hides the cookies) that were chopped up, if that’s the only way to get them out…

    Just a thought…careful what you wish for!
    Ok, now the mob can tell me I’m wrong lol, which is fine, just be nice ; )

    EDIT: agree with the crow: dial back the bollocks and just give us more shows!

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    FWIW I would love to see a move toward smaller boxes. If only because I'm running out of space!

    I'm probably in the minority here, but I wouldn't mind seeing the packaging dialed back a little bit. Sure, it's fun to unpack a box like FOTDs, with all little boxes and doodads, but I'm really only it in for the music. Once you look at all the "extras" they just become more stuff you have to store someplace. And speaking for myself, there's not much available space left.

    Something like the 1976 box a couple years back struck a nice balance: the packaging was enough to make it seem special, but it didn't take up a lot of shelf space. Or look at something like, say, the Fox Box the ABB did: three shows, 8 CDs, and it doesn't take up more shelf space than 2-3 regular CDs.

    I suppose this is what you'd call a 'first world problem': we've got so many desirable reissues that some of us are running out of places to keep them! But I'm actually serious. I wouldn't mind seeing smaller, less expensive, less "deluxe" boxes. Cause it's all about the music, main.

    Last five:

    King Crimson: Starless and Bible Black
    Duke Ellington: New Orleans Suite
    Mile Davis: Miles in France '64 & '64
    Brad Mehldau: Your Mother Should Know
    Jefferson Airplane: Loves You

    OK now I gotta go to the dentist, so by the time you read this I'm prolly dead.

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    I like this idea Jim. More music would always be better.

    I think the last time we had two box sets released in a year was back in 2017. They released GSTL which broke the site and the RFK Box in the fall.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

 

I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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If you didn't already know, all vinyl on here is on sale, 25% off

Last few:
Caravan For Girls Who Grow Plump in the Night
Raging Slab True Death EP
Guty Cardenas Lirio Azul CD
Moody Blues Seventh Sojourn
GD 6-10-76
GD 1977 King Biscuit broadcast

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Thank you Obeah for that deep inquisitive analysis! Very sound theories indeed.
When I recall the last few SeaChats, Dave mentioned a new 'era' for #54, which could as well be an era within an era. He also mentioned it was a show they had pretty much already decided on as the first release of said era. So with that in mind, there are only so many possibilities. Now for 2025 I had felt 1976 was due up as it would only be the fourth Dave's Pick release from that year, now confirmed by starting off with that pick. Thank You Dave! Dancin' in the Street.
I got a feeling that the 1983 release for #52 was bumped up in the rotation for one reason or another. I say that because I recall Dave saying that each of the four releases from 2024 would all cover different band member line~ups, which wasn't the case. DaP#49 & DaP#52 are the same musicians so to speak. That said, Dave has also made it clear in the past seachats that sometimes they improvise with the release plan, as things can change on a whim.
Driveled answer quick conclusion is,.... I think we've got a 1969 Banana Box Pick for #54 or perhaps instead a September 1970 pick with the bonus disc. As for #55 I feel an autumn 1973 show is on the wind, I say that because all but one Dave's from 1973 are spring tour. So for the last release of the year #56, I predict the first Vince era pick, maybe a show with Bruce? Anyways, If the final 2025 pick ain't that, then perhaps it's a late era Brent pick. Maybe 1988, with some early "Built To Last" tunes scattered about?

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....that Without A Net vinyl looks good.
Btw. Target is having a buy two get one free vinyl sale. And they have Without A Net. Warning. Their search engine is trash.

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The best Deal going there is the Lyceum Box.
I scored that last year for that price.
A most excellent purchase.

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What a couple of great albums! The original unremixed versions are my favorites.

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I checked and did not have this vinyl!?!

Got it from amazon 40 bucks with overnight shipping! Now that's a deal!

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Good price, I paid full freight when it came out. I would have thought this would sell out quick, but a guess a 500 price tag made people say NO.

It's a nice box on the shelf, I want to end up with all E72 in vinyl, I think I have them all so far :-)

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E-Sharp.

Ha Ha,,,, just a note to remind/point out Friday is record store day. 5/577 coming out and Jerry on the Eel.

I'll be standing in line like an idiot :-)

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Error!
There is no E sharp, it’s an F lol

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...actually more than once. Most recently he got me good with the seaside chat language that presaged #51. TBF I'm not alone in that: a number of us thought his comments inferred the imminent release of a Vince-era show, rather than the "Bar Band" of Spring '71 that rocked audiences in the wake of Mickey's departure.

And I make that observation as I thank you for the kind words @RYXS while also simultaneously noting that I should be honest and humble in acknowledging that I'm *usually wrong* in trying to guess where Dave's going next. Vol 51 is just the latest example; def didn't think he'd revisit '71 again so quickly after Vol 48. Maybe the box set is going to be one release from every 10 years - '65 through '95 inclusive. (I think there's still one '75 show yet to be released! Although it probably has guests...)

I think I sometimes make those long posts in an attempt to bring structure to 30 years of Grateful Dead music. I know it's a fool's errand... and heck, on that note, order is decidedly NOT what this band is about for chrissakes (silly Obeah!). But one thing I never tire of is seeing how passionate this community is about their favorite shows and the candidates we cite for next release. I often imagine Dave Lemieux quietly browsing through, probably not making notes - one can't lead by committee - but hopefully being amused.

Cheers, folks. Next up: 12/9/81.

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I believe there are no shows from 1965.. but maybe we will get "30 Trips" vol. 2..

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How’s bout a multi-era mega box, that can be purchased in custom modular segments, the draw being the more era segments you buy, the deeper the discounts!!!. So for our friendly contingent that would prefer less and/or only primal etc, they could do just that, but at a premium. Only want Brucey and Vince, cool, we got ya covered, at a premium.
And yes I think you’d have to do the premium cost to ensure the more pricey “complete” box would be fair/competitive.
That would give any DH, from any era, a chance to participate and enjoy chever way their pleasure tends, but not be unhappy being forced to go bigger than they’d like, AND!…would most likely get some fence sitting types to purchase at least something, versus all of nothing, if it’s one mega choice only?
Just a thought…

I’d do the era segments something like below based on what’s released, what potentially is available, and what’s underrepresented (imho) of course ; )
Counts could vary slightly to accommodate show lengths. (Hate to miss a really good one because disc count for era was 1 or 2 off…)

66-69: 25 discs (chopped up, incomplete..as long as it rocks! Nice time for a garage sale ; )
70-75: 20 discs. Still plenty gold in them hills
76-79: 15 discs. this era has been heavily mined…have to leave something for future too!
80-89: 25 discs. I’d say more but…
90-95: 15 discs

That’s 100 total, (hey it’s Sixty, will their even be another official one?)
so not that much bigger than Boxilla, and as I say, each module or segment could be purchased separately, so, everybody eats!
😀

If we only had access to your wife's credit card.

Still haven't gone down the vinyl train. Have way too many CDs and money invested at this point to even think about it.

I think you have it right on the money with how you laid it out there. It's both comprehensive - mightily appropriate for the 60th - and still flexible regarding how people who have collected a lot already could fill in the particular gaps or eras they seek ... without having to chance missing out on the whole thing due to an 'all or nothing - lump sum' barrier.

Anyways: Travel well, All (if you are doing so) and have a Happy Thanksgiving.
Peace

As I posted the other day about the big Floyd Box, I got all the mini Boxes for half the price and only missed out on 1or 2 bonus CD’s, all the schwag that I don’t need, and 2 movies that are available individually.

Whether Dave/Rhino go big, small, or modular I’ll buy them.

Dennis, I also have all the E72 vinyl released so far.

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Cool song by Van Morrison:

'No More Lockdown'

No more lockdown
No more government overreach
No more fascist police
Disturbing our peace
No more taking of our freedom
And our God-given rights
Pretending it's for our safety
When it's really to enslave
Who's running our country?
Who's running our world?
Examine it closely
And watch it unfurl

....chugs along. It takes much resistance to NOT go crazy with purchases.
Tis a test of wills.
TBH, never heard Van's No More Lockdown. Just did and that song sucks in general, regardless of the message behind/in front of it. Lmao. Whatever. Musical tastes and appreciation comes in many shapes and sizes.
Now, The Bitter Boogie by KGLW? Now, there's a cool song. At least to me 🍻

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.....the Internet told me that the remaining members were planning to play again together next year. They even had practice time scheduled. Then Phil passed.

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Which means

Time to scream my release wishes into the electronic void

11 19 72
2 9 73
9 10 83
2 17 79
11 26 72
Anything 67 68 69
9 19 70
9 20 70
10 24 71
GREEKS

Hopefully I still have 19 years in me

365 x 19 + 4 = 6,939 days for GD listening

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Haven't checked out the tune by Van the Man yet, probably will soon now, always dug 1983, a Merman I Should Turn To Be, and really the entirety of Electric Ladyland (not to be confused with the also excellent Electriclarryland by BHS). Here's some more random lyrics.

Talk Talk Talk
Cheap language, standing up your pride
On a blanket of lies
Walk walk walk
Like a motherfucker, steady stride
So step aside
Say say say
Ain't a thing in the world you mind
Easy to unwind
Play play play
Tough looking, shaded pair of eyes
Must be such a grind
Grown so tired of my own facade
Taking off my sunglasses inside
Try to keep a safe distance from the vacant lot
Empty styles from and empty mind

Yeah, Ghost Funk Orchestra hitting it for me like KGLW is hitting it for Vguy. Started watching Ozarks recently and that is hitting the spot as well, really relate to Marty and the themes of betrayal.

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A cobra seer with punctured ear
Slaughtered a Malayan sun bear
Night stood erect with bronzen haunches
Zapped the seer gave the bear back to us
Salamanda Palaganda
June's buffalo too
In the Parisian zoo

Marc Bolan

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If you follow the Steve Hoffman forum, Dennis' wife's credit card floats around all the time. Then she figures it out, changes the card number and it takes a couple months for it to resurface but it's always out there when box sets are announced and just before record store day.

It's a little sad to read and see the videos of the guys talking about planned practices with Phil and the plans to play together for the 60th. Such a long, long time to be gone and a short time to be there. Chokes me up a little, he brought so much joy.

I had definite plans to see Phil's 85th birthday romp at the Capitol. What could have been... at least we have what was.

Well, it's up to us to push on and keep it all moving, keep it fun and keep it alive.

Edit: All in good fun, of course what I said about the Hoffman forum is not true and I thank Dennis in advance for being a good sport and putting up with us. You will not find Dennis wife's credit card info on the Steve Hoffman forum. Send me a PM if you need it.

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One of the more amusing things that I've seen was a documentary with a scene featuring Ice-T breaking down the lyrics to 6 In the Morning and translating them to a more mainstream vernacular. That song is pretty cool, pretty catchy stuff. Also, I realize that Dennis was quoting Lethal Weapon, not 6 In the Morning.

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‘Til your night job pays.

Was just listening to 9-20-82 in the car.

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I have been one acquainted with the night.
I have walked out in rain—and back in rain.
I have outwalked the furthest city light.

I have looked down the saddest city lane.
I have passed by the watchman on his beat
And dropped my eyes, unwilling to explain.

I have stood still and stopped the sound of feet
When far away an interrupted cry
Came over houses from another street,

But not to call me back or say good-bye;
And further still at an unearthly height,
One luminary clock against the sky

Proclaimed the time was neither wrong nor right.
I have been one acquainted with the night.

My friends, I shall be leaving you for a while, going silent yet not absent, greater issues are calling me, sadness acrues but shall not destroy, in the night of death, hope sees a star, and listening love can hear the rustle of a wing......

Doc
Because I could not stop for death,
He kindly stopped for me,
The carriage held but just ourselves
And immortality.

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Then somethin' woke me up from my dark sleep
The sound of fuckin' police when they're tryin' to creep
Broke through my door with no goddamn warning
Looked at my watch it was six in the mornin'

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Everyone out there (if UB 'Merican), have a good bird day. Hope all enjoy time with friends and family. (yeah, right, family :-) )

Doc, sad what I reading and what I read between the lines. Keep the strength and know there are many here who will hold a good thought.

Now time to make my legendary cornbread stuffing and pack the livin' shit out of that bird. Why I bought a 24 lbs bird I don't know, only 7 showing up this year :-)

I tell you truly, in my old age, a 24 pounder is getting harder to lift into the oven!

Enjoy all!

....good to know that you know who's Thanksgiving message was spiteful as usual. No new news there. Yay.
Btw. There is a kickstarter going on to release Greyfolded on vinyl. 54 hrs left. Chip in if you can, because I would like to own one. Cannot send link.✌️
Stay well Doc. We love you.

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I know that I've not been here nearly as long as some, nor contributed to this community and its dialogues as meaningfully as many: nevertheless, do please allow me to wish you (and your nearest and dearest) peace and hope, Doc.

Water draws together to become ice,
And ice disperses again to become water...

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