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Nuclear power! Carcinogenic cell phones! The Stanley Cup! and the usual parade of kids dancing and shaking their bones, politicians throwing stones, etc. Discuss.
Feathers
Nicole Kidman is still hot. What a cutie. Hugh Jackman is in "Blue Steel." Robot boxing at its best. Two thumbs up.
Surrealistic
Rupert Murdoch's daughter is baptized in the Jordan so daddy has the place cleared of land mines? How did they do it? I assume they just had prisoners walk single file across to the river and drag the unlucky ones away?
I have an idea! Extraordinary rendition for Blair and Murdoch. Exile them to comfy men's clubs in Luxembourg and never let them leave.
The Hunt for Tony Blair
if you did not see this recently on British TV you should do. A film noir satire on the Crimes of Blair.You may not get all the political references if you are not a Brit, but you may enjoy the many cinematic ones. Margaret Thatcher as Gloria Swanson is fantastic.
Its up on Youtube here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgfkUmbdIGA&feature=related
if you go down to the woods today...
I'd have thought that would be three thumbs in your case, Inca Roadie.
re: Hunt for Blair
Hilarious, Badger.
Somebody in the US should come up with one for the last Bush.
testosterone and dopamine...
...are responsible for the mortgage-backed securities pyramid scheme. I think the question is: Who's?
Crackdowns on the 99%ers
The police crackdown on the 99%ers has been unusually brutal in some cities, with the "authorities" using stun grenades and tear gas. Lesser tactics have been used in other cities but the message is always the same: Don't set up camp here.
Like the War Bonus Veterans, the Dust Bowl Victims, union organizing and other populist public movements this one is facing massive repression. What is clearly pointed out by this is that the 1% control the means of repression. They can have whatever powers and laws they wish through their paid lackeys.
What is exciting to me is the growing awareness that we have been being screwed again and again long before the 2008 recession by the banks and other rich people. There is a war going on and until we learn the use of nonviolence and winning over the agents of repression with that tactic there will be little change.
This year has seen so many changes where the scales tipped too far in one direction have been righted. It all pales in comparison to this one titanic struggle in the US. If our priorities were reordered to reflect a humanitarian culture instead of one of material prosperity and private property the world would not only be a better place but the scales would be tipped toward a move forward in the evolution of our planet.
Imagine. It isn't hard to do.
99ers
I'm in Chicago, and I am very disappointed that the folks here have lost their focus. They have gone from protesting social disparities to bitching about not being able to camp out. It was announced earlier this week that Wal-Mart has cut health benefits for many and raised the cost for others, but I don't see these guys here heading over to the local Wal-Mart. I don't see them trying to unionize big box-store workers. Don't see them shutting down a coal-fired power plant or nuclear site. Hundreds of things they could do here. Countless. But no--they want to whine about the inability to camp in the park overnight. That just makes it easier for the police, anyway. This isn't the 1968 Democratic Convention--it's 2011. The game pieces have changed. Who would they be protesting overnight, anyway? They are also suffering from being leaderless. It is what it is. It is one thing to be nonviolent, but you have to create situations where violence is inflicted upon you--with everyone watching. It's like poker. You have to go all in and put the pressure on your opposition. Just walking up and down the same street or park everyday does little. Wall Street is everywhere. The environment is being killed everywhere. You don't need a particular streetcorner or park. Not quite time--things are bad, but not too bad for too many. If Italy or Greece or Spain puts a foot down and says, "No--we're not going to cut services--we're declarinig bankruptcy--fuck the Euro--fuck the global banks," then we will have revolution here in the U.S. The tsunami from the quick fall of the EU would hit here with full force. It will happen here relatively soon, anyway. It'll be ugly, though. A lot of people will starve and die. Homicides like no urban center has ever seen. Maybe this will be our winter of discontent. No easy answers.
The Dreamer Is Still Asleep
can't help but think that changing things on a smaller level, within one's own community will be markedly more beneficial in the long run. aiming too big is ultimately impotent. however, we mustn't lose sight of the fact that people just really want to express dissatisfaction (i can't get no); decades of apathy have produced headless poultry that don't like the cage they're in but have no idea how to find the exit.which is fair enough. gotta start somewhere. like we all did.
a recent panel show here in England had Louise Mensch criticised for suggesting that the protesters outside St. Paul's Cathedral were hypocritical for drinking at Starbucks and having expensive tents; now, while we shouldn't really have any sympathy for her (author of 'chick lit' fiction, married to the manager of the Red Hot Chili Pricks, worst still, a Tory politician), she did have a point; protesting while mindlessly (unconsciously?) indulging in the world of corporate materialism is shooting yourself in the foot. which in turn, shoots the rest of us in the head. no monkey drone consumers, no reason to exist.
think smaller. don't shop here. help the local community. change people's minds.
but it's still heartening to see any voicing; however, you get the feeling they're being played like the proverbial deck of shiny number thingies. copy cat congregations tolerated as futile gesture.
i've actually become bored while writing this; guess we could be more effective than talking about it.
last chunks in vegas & gonzos all too pertinent; it's going to be bloody but evolution is indeed the key. let psychedelics, creativity, multiple reality understanding, ayahuasca and angelic conversation in the tunnel of goats lead the way.
Constant Shallowness Leads To Evil.
Good points both, Vegas & Jonapi
After participating in movements in my 20s I know all too well the drawbacks of non-disciplined movements and the utter insanity of violence. It is difficult to organize things on a large scale and invariably we lose, save, perhaps, the Vietnam War.
A disciplined movement with disciplined leaders and a well laid out plan has the only chance of working. Sometimes I wonder if they did everything right if they would still lose because of the tight link between the rich, the politicians the army and the police.
I think somebody in authority would have to make a huge mistake and kill 10,000 people on CNN. Innocent people, women, children, to show how cruel and heartless they are....
thought kills action
"Sometimes I wonder if they did everything right if they would still lose..."
absolutely right, lamagonzo. the binds ARE too tight. a well organised campaign, unfortunately, would still seem to be ineffective i feel. what's interesting (and not just in this situation) is that they have the means; laptops, meeting points, smartphones. maybe too much choice by people used to too much choice, rendering them unintentionally dazed and confused and none too sure where to begin.
the passion is there. the sincerity is there. but with no clear direction ahead. concentrating on the ball instead of the goal.
but i wish to reiterate; it is wonderful to see people doing SOMETHING.
the concentration on death in everyday life as a force for contemplation, insight and guidance is more important than ever. never has society been more scattered and without anchor. mild desperation and barely simmering anxiety. less caffeine injection, more THC.
unfortunately, well over 10,000 innocent civilians have already been killed throughout the ages. more blatant than we realise.
develop the sidereal everybody, develop the Sidereal.
these plants are natural, you know. they were put there for very good reason.
Yes, Jonapi, agree
Wonderful that they are doing something...Death is the largest of all meditations as the elephant has the largest of all footprints (Shakyamuni Buddha said that)...
When I said 10,000, I meant new ones, unfortunately a basic principle of nonviolence is taking on suffering to portray the evil-doing class's intention.
Dr. Gene Sharp wrote the bible on nonviolent history and tactics and was recently given a prestigious award. Good reading for all organnizers, not just 99%ers.
of course it isn't a current event. so?
something for the weekend. a beaut.
Patriots going down in flames against Roth
Looks like Patroits might not make the second round of the payoffs with the way they played today against the Steelers, who didn't play that great themselves (except for Roth).
Grunkowski looks like a double from the movie The Longest Yard, just carrying people around the field with his giant body. Welker's working but Ochocinco is lost in action.
"payoffs" gonzo?
was that a great intentional or unintentional pun?
pats on the back
don't tell me the Italians are involved....look away now if you don't want to see next week's scores!
payoffs
remindes me of the mimers and miners. completely unintentional
55 billion euro oops
I find this one pretty unbelievable, but it seems that the German FMS Bank has made a 55 billion euro "booking error". Specifically, on the balance, plus was confused with minus-making the German government 55 billion euros better off than they thought they were. They can wire this mistake to my account. I don't mind, and I would share.
Punishing Palestine
So the USA decides to punish (by withdrawing its funding) the United Nations Educational Scientific and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO) for voting to allow Palestine to join. Leading the world in democracy eh? This is the harmless UN organisation that promotes culture, world heritage and postiive human achievement. Yeah..we kicked their A-rab loving assess good and proper. Who needs their goddam ruins and shakespeare and shit anyway. Yeeehah.
OH
that news makes me angry, Badger!
reggaejunkiejewboyflowerhead
are you suggesting that certain States are to be punished for not towing Washington's line?obviously.
U.S., the pathetic bullies in the playground.
i wonder of you'll get the criticism i usually get.
GR8fulTed where are you?
Collective punishment!
Should the following US World Heritage Sites now be removed from the UNESCO World Heritage Register
Mesa Verde National Park
Yellowstone National Park
Everglades National Park
Grand Canyon National Park
Independence Hall
Kluane / Wrangell-St Elias / Glacier Bay / Tatshenshini-Alsek
Redwood National and State Parks
Mammoth Cave National Park
Olympic National Park
Cahokia Mounds State Historic Site
Great Smoky Mountains National Park
La Fortaleza and San Juan National Historic Site in Puerto Rico
Yosemite National Park
Chaco Culture
Hawaii Volcanoes National Park #
Monticello and the University of Virginia in Charlottesville
Pueblo de Taos
Carlsbad Caverns National Park
Waterton Glacier International Peace Park *
Papahānaumokuākea
and of course
The Statue of Liberty!!!
To be clear
The decision to "punish" UNESCO isn't something that just happened this week -- it's the result of a 1994 US law that requires withdrawal of funding for any UN agency that recognizes the Palestinians in this manner. I'm not arguing that it's a good or bad thing, just that the law driving the action isn't really a new thing.
Thus the "decision" was made a decade-and-a-half ago and to make it go away would mean that Congress would need to act to rescind the current requirement...which does seem pretty unlikely.
thanks
for explaining that so carefully and neutrally Gratefaldean :-)
Sure the Palestinians have played a clever hand here, but their land is one of the world's cultural treasurehouses (not least for Christian heritage) so they should be part of the UNESCO family. To react by collectively punishing the world's common cultural heritage is absurd and vindictive, and to legally commit yourself to that is just short sighted, bad law making.
Noam Chomsky has a good analysis...
...on the relationship between the US & Allies and the Palestinians and other Arab states. Basically, the fix is is in for Israel since the deal was cut in 47. Then there is that most disputed holy site in Jerusalem, seemingly unresolvable.
It is another powder keg waiting to explode whether due to a newly militaristic Egypt, a desperate Syria or a not-so-paranoid Israel over the aims and intentions of nuclear programs in Iran, just to name a few.
What is rarer is to see Badger so overwrought about a low-grade cultural exchange.
muslimgauze
Repeat: Iran is not a threat and never will be.Repeat: Iran is not a threat and never will be.
i agree wholeheartedly with the badger.
short sighted and vindictive? surely, you jest, sir! since when? why, cherry berry apple pie says you're blinkered, my oh my!
as-salamu alaykum
sweeten the pill when UN membership denied?
probably.
shame on Israel.
shame on the U.S.
shame on the complicits.
slowly They turned...
step by stepfoot by foot
inch by inch
They filled it's skies predators & reepers
All battles are equal I guess (A Nod to Badger)
Occupy Wall Street Actions Continue
“Chris Hedges made this statement in New York City’s Zuccotti Park on Thursday morning during the People’s Hearing on Goldman Sachs, which he chaired with Dr. Cornel West. The activist and Truthdig columnist then joined a march of several hundred protesters to the nearby corporate headquarters of Goldman Sachs, where he was arrested with 16 others.”
(Read the whole story at nationofchange.org)
European are screwed on Euro, collapse inevitable
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, a higher percentage of Americans is living in extreme poverty than they have ever measured before. In 2010, we were told that the economy was recovering, but the truth is that the number of the "very poor" soared to heights never seen previously. Back in 1993 and back in 2009, the rate of extreme poverty was just over 6 percent, and that represented the worst numbers on record. But in 2010, the rate of extreme poverty hit a whopping 6.7 percent. That means that one out of every 15 Americans is now considered to be "very poor". For many people, this is all very confusing because their guts are telling them that things are getting worse and yet the mainstream media keeps telling them that everything is just fine. Hopefully this article will help people realize that the plight of the poorest of the poor continues to deteriorate all across the United States. In addition, hopefully this article will inspire many of you to lend a hand to those that are truly in need.
For a long time, there have been those that have warned that economic riots are coming to this nation. Anger and frustration with the economy and with our financial system have grown to unprecedented levels, and this has fueled the rise of the various protest movements that we have seen over the last couple of years. People are fed up and they want solutions. Unfortunately, anger and frustration can express themselves in dangerous and unpredictable ways. What we have seen in Oakland, in Seattle and in other major U.S. cities this week is only just the beginning of the massive economic riots that are coming to this country. Yes, "anarchists" were responsible for quite a bit of the violence that we have seen this week, but they were not the only ones involved. Some protesters were getting violent too, and there has also been quite a bit of police brutality. Of course the vast majority of Occupy Wall Street protesters do not want anything to do with violence and they recognize that violence is not the answer. But that is the thing with anger and frustration. It is hard to contain them in neat, self-disciplined packages. As the economy continues to get worse, the protests will grow and unfortunately so will the violence. You can preach the benefits of non-violence all day long to some people but they just will not get it. America has reached a turning point, and what we are seeing now is only just the beginning of the madness. In the years ahead we are going to see rioting that is going to be absolutely unprecedented.
How does a country end up 15 trillion dollars in debt? 30 years ago, we were just a little over a trillion dollars in debt. How in the world do supposedly rational people living in "the greatest nation on earth" allow themselves to commit national financial suicide by allowing government debt to explode like that? It almost seems like there should be some sort of official ceremony in Washington D.C. to commemorate this achievement. It really takes something special to be able to roll up 15 trillion dollars of debt. To get to this level, we really had to indulge in some wild spending. For example, did you know that the U.S. national debt grows by more than 2 million dollars every single minute? All of this debt has fueled an unprecedented boom of prosperity for the last 30 years, but now that prosperity is drying up. Today, there are over 45 million Americans that are on food stamps. America is being deindustrialized at a blinding pace and there are not nearly enough jobs for everyone. Poverty is exploding all over the nation, and millions of families have lost their homes to foreclosure. Unfortunately, there are zero solutions on the horizon. The leaders of both major political parties seem even more clueless right now than in past years. We really could use some hope, but hope is in very short supply.
The debt crisis in Europe just seems to get worse with each passing day, and it is yet another glaring example of why the EU is a mind blowing failure. The EU is made up of 27 nations that all have their own economic policies, and 17 of those nations are trying to use the euro as a common currency. But when you have 27 different governments pulling in different directions, it is inevitable that there are going to be major problems. The stunt that Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou just pulled is a perfect example of the nightmare that the EU has become. European officials worked really hard to pull together a deal to address the debt crisis (of course the deal was a total mess, but that is another matter), and a couple of days later Papandreou decides that Greece should hold a national referendum on it. It is so bizarre that it almost defies words. But that is what happens in the EU. Someone else always wants to have a say. Someone else always wants to throw a fly into the ointment. Someone else always want to throw in their two cents. The EU is a bureaucratic nightmare and this latest episode is yet another example of that fact. First the politicians in Europe come up with an idiotic plan that is going to make the financial crisis much worse, then Papandreou comes forward and pulls a stunt that shatters what little confidence the financial markets still had in Greece. That is why the EU should break up. It is a total failure and it is time that we all admitted it.
Do you hear that sound? It is the sound of Europe being hit with a cold dose of financial reality. The air has been let out of the balloon, and investors all over the world are realizing that absolutely nothing has been solved in Europe. The solutions being proposed by the politicians in Europe are just going to make things worse. You don't solve a sovereign debt crisis by shredding confidence in sovereign debt. But that is exactly what the "voluntary 50% haircut" has done. You don't solve a sovereign debt crisis by pumping up your "bailout fund" with borrowed money from China, Russia and Brazil. More debt is just going to make things even worse down the road. You don't solve a sovereign debt crisis by causing a massive credit crunch. By giving European banks only until June 2012 to dramatically improve their credit ratios, it is going to force many of them to seriously cut back on lending. A massive credit crunch would significantly slow down economic activity in Europe and that is about the last thing that the Europeans need right now. If the deal that was reached last week was the "best shot" that Europe has got, then we are all in for a world of hurt.
Do bad it wasn't nitrous instead of air out of the balloon.
Jayuzs Maria
It seems some spammer hit almost every thread on this site! Took me ages to find this thread again.
Anyhow, Gonzo, I am wishing that my grasp of finance was more solid, because I really want to debate with you on your last post. But when in such circumstances as this, when I cannot back my opinion with information, I will not go there.
I can only say that my gut instinct does not believe that the euro will collapse. Or perhaps that is just a personal hope??? And the EU should NOT break up. I hope a way is found.
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A referendum? Bad idea!
Dump Papendreou and get this thing (European Sovereign Debt Crisis) back on track before the peasants have any illusions of power!
Greece; Portugal; Spain; Italy; Ireland... Not unless the big boys say yes is there a solution to this mess.
Does this beg the question of what will happen when servicing the interest on 15 Billion dollars of debt in the US? You bet it does. Just a matter of time.
It's not your kids problem, it's your retirement problem, your old-age quality of life problem. Company didn't come through with the profit-sharing and pension? Conservatives getting ready to croak Social Security and Medicare?
If i don't have any quality of life at 75 I don't plan to stick around.
Yes, Tiger Lilly, I may be wrong about certain things in European finance but the numbers and compound interest don't lie.
~ Same old rat in a drain-ditch ~
la, yee, sem
one of the reasons why i abandoned my reply (and subsequent topic); personally, i'm too down at present to comment on such a vast, cavernous situation. it involves so many different branches, roots, tangents; a panoply, a myriad of core causes that for me, i don't think i'll arrive at a different destination that i haven't already before.but your frustration is well founded, gonzo. however, i don't believe TigerLilly was pointing any fingers.
i'm retreating from this forum topic as there is too much at present around the world that is negative and i wish to concentrate on healing with form, energy and light.
compound interest
Wasn't the proposal put out already to cut out (dump) the compound interest on these loans? I am pretty sure it was-though if it goes through is another matter
Yer'right, Lilly
About the compound interest.
Italian Bonds are trading at "junk" status (almost %7) today and the new Chinese Finance Minister last weekend emboldened his speech on the "slothful, indolent" post-industrial welfare societies that China is NOT going to invest in. Or, rather, he said more soothingly "conditions aren't correct to invest in".
I don't know if the European Union is a good thing or not, with or without it's own currency. Many of the more socialist countries with higher taxes and more social programs and lower levels of debt are covering for the ones who do not have these attributes. Can it be done? I don't know how the US is still the United States..
Obviously, given the Earth's number and variety of social economic and ecological ills,all countries should be pulling together in emergency mode. That we're not at that level or recognition at this critical time tells you everything you need to know about the future.
Wish I had something positive to end with. Here's one: Maybe I was wrong in my other post, The sky won't fall in Europe this week
Think I'll go check in at the "Occupy Wall Street encampment at Dartmouth University. That would be the 1% saying to the 99% that they, the future Ivy League elite, are the 1%. The masters telling the slaves that theyare also slaves....
It isn't good news
But it is a joke via an econ buddy:
Thought you might appreciate a quick lesson in Economics re the Euro Zone.
Some years ago a small rural town in Spain twinned with a similar town in Greece. The Mayor of the Greek town visited the Spanish town. When he saw the palatial mansion belonging to the Spanish mayor he wondered how he could afford such a house.. The Spaniard said; "You see that bridge over there? The EU gave us a grant to build a two-lane bridge, but by building a single lane bridge with traffic lights at either end this house could be built".
The following year the Spaniard visited the Greek town. He was simply amazed at the Greek Mayor's house, gold taps, marble floors, it was marvellous. When he asked how this could be afforded the Greek said; "You see that bridge over there?" The Spaniard replied; "No."
Rick Perry, Herman Cain, Joe Paterno
Rick Perry should quietly bow out, admitting he isn't smart enough to be president (Presidents don't get to have "blond moments")
Herman Cain should bow out given the nature and number of allegations of being a sexual predator against him. He is not proven guilty, but he is in Tiger Woods territory. Besides that, a broad-based national tax of 9% on everything will hurt the poor disproportionately, which he is proposing with his "999" plan.
Joe Paterno should be charged and put on trial and have a jury decide if he should go to jail. What the hell happened at Penn State during the time of the Catholic Church scandal? Did they think it was open season on little boys at Penn State?
~ The harder they come, the harder they fall
One and all ~
First casualty of "Human Season"
Yesterday, on the first day of deer-hunting season in New Hampshire (with rifles, as opposed to bow and arrows) a man shot his 32 year old friend and killed him, thinking he was a doe.
I propose changing the name of deer-hunting season to Human hunting season. Every year about 100 humans are harvested in the name of controlling the deer herd in the US.
The idiot Wind is blowing again, Stay out of the woods.
Occupy Wall Street
10 Ways the Occupy Movement Changes EverythingDavid Korten, Sarah van Gelder and Steve Piersanti, News Analysis: “1. It names the source of the crisis. 2. It provides a clear vision of the world we want. 3. It sets a new standard for public debate. 4. It presents a new narrative. 5. It creates a big tent. 6. It offers everyone a chance to create change. 7. It is a movement, not a list of demands. 8. It combines the local and the global. 9. It offers an ethic and practice of deep democracy and community. 10. We have reclaimed our power.”
Occupy Wall Street under siege...
...from Portland, Oregon (Police action to clean out the camp behind city hall) to Burlington, Vermont (a shooting 2 hours ago in a small lakefront park in the city).
It would seem the first birth pangs have really begun. Now more movement building is needed with a national virtual conference.
I, for one, hope this movement survives and grows and thrives.
Capitalist morons ruining the planet!
Just keep repeating 2012, 2012, 2012...
Occupy Update
The info I got was that the fellow in Burlington shot himself.
that hunting accident
that hunting accident happened down the street from my mother in-laws. i used to tease her on how nerves she got during hunting season well not any more. The thing i hate the most is that it happened in a residential area. The law is you can hunt on someones property as long as you have permission. What really pisses me off is allot of them hunt along the trail system. One hunter approached my mother in-law while she was hiking and tried to intimidate her because she was making to much noise and scaring off the deer. Just yesterday i went to take my kids for our weekly picnic hike and while i was looking for a parking spot a group of hunters got out of there truck with their weapons and a case of beer. well needless to say we went to a different trail.I am not against hunting in fact i am waiting on some moose meat from a friend but if you can't see your target don't shoot and stay sober.
Occupy everywhere
so my wife took the kids (i had to work) for a one day occupy littleton nh and we plan on taking them down to boston some time soon. If anyone is going please lets keep it non violent. Just look at what ghandi and mlk achieved with non violent movements. I feel we are on the uphill climb towards making a real change. The thing that gives me a good vibe is that this is made up fairly broad demographic not just a group with a set agenda not looking at the whole scope of things.
Hey Noonie
You are brave letting your kids and mom(in-law) go in the woods at all during this time of the year. You could be dressed in day-glo green and still be mistaken for a deer. Hunters hallucinate seeing deer because they want to kill one so bad, and then end up, in some cases, killing their own child during their "bonding" experience.
I am not for hunting except for professional wardens keeping statistics and thinning the herds as needed and then giving the meet to the poor. I think that makes a lot of sense.
PS Noonie: Thanks for the invite up to Lincoln for the Jerry fest last summer. Went at the last minute but nobody could tell me where it was or knew you. I just asked the wrong people I suppose. Hope it was a lot of fun!
Hunting
my son was doing a week internship as a forest ranger this week, and one day he spent with the official hunter-the guy in charge of population control of wild boars. Son was kinda freaked out at the stories about overzealous hunters in the woods in autum, and now is kinda torn about what he thinks about the whole concept
Occupy Wall St./99% Movement rebuffed
When authorities realized that the Occupy Wall Street had some hardcore support in major cities they did what they had to do, clear the parks of camping, for the safety and sanitation of the general public.
The movement has met some quick success and could be off to a good start though they face a hard winter of demonstrating without camping. If they were to establish some positions and articulate some campaign leading to an objective that would go a long way toward getting them through the winter in good shape to make a presence in the presidential elections.
The movement has already been infiltrated by state and federal provocateurs, causing problems, injury and riot. One thing is sure, if they don't articulate themselves and their means to their goals they are just going to be yesterdays news and irritating as they highlight an acute problem without providing an answer.
Am I getting old, or what?
Occupy Strategy
I think that the Occupy folks can show their solidarity, power and commitment in a much easier way than camping out in cold parks over the winter.
Every once in a while they should announce an occupy event....kind of like a flash mob. Keep it fun and convenient. For instance
This Saturday occupy the downtown mall from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. or at 5 p.m. Friday occupy Rip-off Bank and Loan until 11 p.m.....
Showing up in public places in organized and systematic way will show power and organization ....which becomes the message.
ocuppy but don't camp
What i think should happen is stay in the parks but no camping. Just get people to rotate shifts like i will be there from 3pm to 10pm next group come in 10pm till???. i think. Tomorrow i am going to an occupy the north country info and brainstorming session...hey gonzo you should come on over it is in bethlehem nh...we will see what happens.