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    Hello Cosmic Badger, I have read on The Ark Vine that you were going to do a vine of these three nights but you were beaten to it.Can I persuade you to do a Euro version anyway?To my ears you can't beat 1969 and you particularly can't beat the 1969 Dark Stars. While I've got my begging boots on has anyone got good recordings of Copenhagen 14-4-1972 and 17-4-1972 and Rotterdam 10-5-1972 and 11-5-1972. Thanks for organising the Reconstruction Vine.I haven't heard any of the concerts so it could be interesting.
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    Hello again Greg.Have you still got my address? 1.Greg Macfarlane 2.Grateful-ted 3. 4.
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    Thanks Badger for organising, Lopezz for setting up, and also thanks to MarkintheDark for increasing my anticipation :-) Posting to ensure next on list can easily contact me. 1. Greg Macfarlane 2. 3.
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    This stuff is all awesome...
    All you EuroHeads will really enjoy these shows. Cheers, MarkintheDark ************************************** *The white zone is for loading and unloading only* **************************************
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    Courtesy of the very kind and generous Lopezz here are 4 DVDs transported across the ocean with a huge bundle of shows from Reconstruction plus most of a DVD of Old and In the Way shows. Reconstruction (all 1979) Jan 30 aud; Feb 27 aud; March 7,8,9 sbd; March 30 aud; April 8/11/23/28 aud; May 18/19 aud; June 8/16/17/22 sbd; July 6 aud; July 7/8/22 sbd; Aug 10 aud. Old and In the Way (all 1973) March 2 fm-sbd; April 21 fm-sbd; June 6 sbd; July 21 rehearsals sbd; July 23 sbd; Nov 4 sbd Should keep Garcia fans happy for a while SIgn up here 1. Greg MacFarlane 2. 3. 4.
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    The band hates that album, I think
    I've asked about why it wasn't included in the box set(s) w/bonus material like all the other "studio" albums, and I've read about it in different books, and my understanding is that the tapes were/are not very good, they'd been gone over so many times during the original production, lots of overdubs and crap. I think an engineer was fired during the course of mastering, and Jerry and Phil took it over but I got the impression they finally gave up. But I'm certainly not an authority, and it doesn't sound so bad to me. ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************
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    I truly think that this album is one of the most underrated albums by the boys. It was my first purchase of the library and loved it. HOWEVER......nobody has had the testicular fortitude to release it as the other ones have been with TONS of "bonus" material. hen will they choose to do so with this one?I can't even find it in "the store"! My collection is pretty extensive,but what I would't do to hear that PRISTINE version of " Cold Rain & Snow" again.
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    Listening to the ’74 show – crisp, superbly sharp!Who’s next? 1 , andre 2 , grateful-ted 3 , Greg Macfarlane 4 ,
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    Plays guitar:http://www.jimmyherring.net/index.htm Most direct Dead content: Phil and Friends live and on the album 'There and Back Again' and 'Jazz Is Dead' who interpret classic Dead songs with jazzy influences instrumentally. The Lifeboat album is Jazz influenced.
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    In the post an hour ago and on the way to Greg. Who is Jimmy Herring?Any relation to Billy the Fish?
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Wed, 10/24/2007 - 04:14

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Eurovine #4 signup 1. Kent Mitchell kentmitchell1961@yahoo.com 2. 3. 4. - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Greg Macfarlane on Wed, 10/24/2007 - 14:43

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USTOEUROVINE B. WINTERLAND DEC 10/11/12 1972 +SEPT 26 731 DVD. SHN and FLAC Details P8 or 9 Well, I've scanned the posts and I'm sure I'm posting in order this time ;-) 1 Sunshine-daydream 2 Greg Macfarlane 3 4
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Thu, 10/25/2007 - 02:57

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seems like Eurotraders are on board now Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Thu, 10/25/2007 - 04:41

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The Grateful DeadSilver Dollar Fair Chico, CA November 1st, 1968 xx--(SET 1)--Missing--xx Total Time: [42:20] ============= SET 2 01.[12:23] Introduction > Dark Star > 02.[01:47] Cryptical Envelopment > 03.[00:12] Drums > 04.[10:44] The Other One > 05.[06:56] Cryptical Envelopment > 06.[00:37] New Potato Caboose// 07.[01:17] //Caution > 07.[07:09] Feedback > 08.[01:12] And We Bid You Good Night & closing Remarks Source: SBD:MR -> Cass.-> DAT -> CDR Conversion: CDR -> EAC(secure) -> CDWav(retracking) -> mkwact(seekable) Note: - t01: (Dark Star)-- Very low sound level in right channel for first 2:34 - There is clearly a Caution jam going into feedback so I tracked it separately. I started feedback where the drums stopped and it was only guitar feedback. shntool confirms tracks on sector boundaries Part of The Music Never Stopped Project 2002 shn em up initiative 5/22/02 Thanks to Raoul Duke and Mike Axelrod for the disks! ======================================================= Here's what deadlists has to say about this source: COMMENTS The circulating copy of this that is MSR>Cass>DAT>CDR has an announcer who clearly states before Dark Star that the Grateful Dead played an earlier set. Circulating tapes all cut at the very beginning of New Potato Caboose and splice into the Feedback. DeadBase XI lists the end of this one as New Potato Caboose going into Alligator > Caution > Feedback > AWBYGN, which is probably just speculation on what's missing - but that would be a good guess based on the song list and time period. RECORDING 45 SB - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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-The Grateful DeadSilver Dollar Fair Chico, CA November 1st, 1968 xx--(SET 1)--Missing--xx Total Time: [42:20] ============= SET 2 01.[12:23] Introduction > Dark Star > 02.[01:47] Cryptical Envelopment > 03.[00:12] Drums > 04.[10:44] The Other One > 05.[06:56] Cryptical Envelopment > 06.[00:37] New Potato Caboose// 07.[01:17] //Caution > 07.[07:09] Feedback > 08.[01:12] And We Bid You Good Night & closing Remarks Source: SBD:MR -> Cass.-> DAT -> CDR Conversion: CDR -> EAC(secure) -> CDWav(retracking) -> mkwact(seekable) Note: - t01: (Dark Star)-- Very low sound level in right channel for first 2:34 - There is clearly a Caution jam going into feedback so I tracked it separately. I started feedback where the drums stopped and it was only guitar feedback. shntool confirms tracks on sector boundaries Part of The Music Never Stopped Project 2002 shn em up initiative 5/22/02 Thanks to Raoul Duke and Mike Axelrod for the disks! ======================================================= Here's what deadlists has to say about this source: COMMENTS The circulating copy of this that is MSR>Cass>DAT>CDR has an announcer who clearly states before Dark Star that the Grateful Dead played an earlier set. Circulating tapes all cut at the very beginning of New Potato Caboose and splice into the Feedback. DeadBase XI lists the end of this one as New Potato Caboose going into Alligator > Caution > Feedback > AWBYGN, which is probably just speculation on what's missing - but that would be a good guess based on the song list and time period. RECORDING 45 SB - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Thu, 10/25/2007 - 04:58

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Grateful Dead - December 29, 1968Gulfstream Park Race Track - Hallandale, FL Recording Info: SBD -> Cassette Master -> Dat -> CD Transfer Info: CD -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> FLAC (1 Disc Audio / 1 Disc FLAC) GRATEFUL DEAD Monday, January 22, 1968 Eagle's Auditorium - Seattle, WA SBDMR > DAT > Sonic Solutions > CD > EAC > Soundforge > SHN (see notes) 1 Alligator 16:05 2 Cryptical Envelopment > 1:43 3 Other One > 2:37 4 Cryptical Envelopment > 3:19 5 New Potato Caboose > 7:53 6 Born //Cross-Eyed > 1:57* 7 Feedback > 4:50 8 Spanish Jam > 8:22 9 Dark Star > 5:43 10 China Cat Sunflower > 4:13 11 The Eleven > 6:39 12 Cau//tion > 4:13* 13 Feedback 5:02 total time: 72:36 * At 1:18 into Born Cross-Eyed there is a source change to higher quality stereo. * The main source ends at 3:14 into Caution. The remainder of the show is cross faded in from a SBDMR>?>Cass copy. The cut at about 3:14 was also on the cassette, picking directly back up after a one second gap. No Caution vocals are contained on either source. notes: Crptical Envelopment through Born Cross-Eyed comes from an alternate mono SBDMR source (SBDMR>DAT>CD). It contained a great deal of static which was removed with DePopper.exe. Feedback before Spanish Jam contains many hints at the Spanish Jam theme. Also of note is that the end portion of Feedback appears on the "Anthem Of The Sun" LP. This version of the show was patched together and cleaned up by Noah Weiner (noahbw@attbi.com), February, 2002 All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net November 22, 2006 Notes: -- Lovelight fades in, very little missing -- Cleaned up cuts in Dark Star, St. Stephen and The Other One -- I also worked on the levels a bit Setlist: d1t01 - Turn On Your Lovelight d1t02 - Dark Star -> d1t03 - Saint Stephen -> d1t04 - The Eleven -> d1t05 - Drums -> d1t06 - The Other One -> d1t07 - Cryptical Envelopment -> d1t08 - And We Bid You Good Night- - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Fri, 10/26/2007 - 03:31

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will be autumn tour 89 downloading some shows at the moment, including 18 years ago today, one of my all time fav GOGD shows Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 02:18

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arrived in Sunny Spain Vine B will be heading to Greg en Escosia the others awaiting takers Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 02:20

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USTOEUROVINE B. WINTERLAND DEC 10/11/12 1972 +SEPT 26 731 DVD. SHN and FLAC Details P8 or 9 Well, I've scanned the posts and I'm sure I'm posting in order this time ;-) 1 Sunshine-daydream 2 Greg Macfarlane 3 4 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 02:24

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USTO EUROVINE D: WINTERLAND 16-20 OCTOBER 19742 DVD SHN DETAILS P8 or 9 1 Sunshine Daydream 2 3 4 Who's after me then Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 02:29

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USTOEUROVINE A Grateful Dead/NRPS 1970 Grateful Dead and the New Riders of the Purple Sage May 15 1970 Early and Late Shows Fillmore East. New York, New York Grateful Dead and New Riders of The Purple Sage. Capitol, Theatre , Port Chester NY. November 8, 1970 1 DVD All Shn Details P8 Sign Up 1 Sunshine-daydream 2 3 4 Who Is after me then ? Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 02:57

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I think Tigerlilly signed up for the '77 vine, but have not heard much from her of late
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 03:01

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last i heard from her she was waiting, until she had on one vine sorted and a new pair of socks :-))) Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 03:28

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she's signed on p9, but perhaps you've heard since. Do you know how Eurovine '72 is getting on? Hello TL!
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 03:07

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USTO EUROVINE E APRIL/MAY 1977 + 04/16/78 and 02/22/74 USTO EUROVINE E APRIL/MAY 1977 + 04/16/78 and 02/22/74 2 DVDs SHN/FLAC DETAILS P8 or 9 1 sunshine-Daydream 2 TigerLilly 3 4 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 03:12

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CB Europe 72 I have sent another copy to Lil the other day because the original was sent to the wrong address, and the other vine. One vine has arrived but i don't know which Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 03:14

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the last three should be after cb's post, this will probably be the same Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 03:15

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thanks Bob I think I get the idea.
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 03:17

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Greetings from a sunny La Republica De Alpujarra Libre Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 03:28

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Eurovine #2 January 78eurovine #2 Arrived with me this morning and is now packaged ready to go to John in this evenings post. I've carefully picked through the posts and the vine status is as listed below. Full show details can be found at page 3 posted by Sunshine-Daydream, October 7th 2007. If you want on this vine place your name at the next vacant slot and contact the previous person with address. Thanks for setting this up Bob, Greg GOGD 6th Jan 78 7th Jan 78 8th Jan 78 18th Jan 78 as a filler 4 shows in shn on one DVD 1.Cosmic Badger 2.Greg Macfarlane 3. Johnoxford 4. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 03:35

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Eurovine #3 12th September 73 20th September 73 21st September 73 24th September 73 1.TigerLilly (renelilly@hotmail.com) 2.Greg Macfarlane 3.Cosmic Badger 4. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 03:38

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Eurovine Number One 4 Europe 72 shows 8th April 72 Wembley 14th April 72 Copenhagen 17th April 72 Copenhagen 23rd May 72 Lyceum see seperate posts for details 1. TigerLilly 2. Cosmic Badger 3 4. 5. put name in first vacant slot and contact person above you with your details - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Tue, 10/30/2007 - 03:41

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as befits a notion on the GM, we have a timezone halfway between GMT and CET(or whatever the winter version is called) Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 11:07

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USTO EUROVINE D: WINTERLAND 16-20 OCTOBER 19742 DVD SHN DETAILS P8 or 9 1 Sunshine Daydream 2 3 4 anyone out there want this Bob Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 11:52

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Europe 81 i have 5 shows in SHN/Flac some hopefully, disc willing it will be all them3 rainbow, 1 march 2 Oct Bobby and Jerry and a German show or Fall 89 26/10/89 and others IMHO 26th October 89 is THE best show of the 80's/90's Look forward to your choices Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Greg Macfarlane on Sat, 11/10/2007 - 05:08

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1 DVD. SHN and FLAC.See Cosmic badgers post of October 21st 2007 (page 8) for details. Arrived this morning and ready to go....so who's next? Post your name next on list, send me PM with your address. 1 Sunshine-daydream 2 Greg Macfarlane 3 4 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cheers
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Sat, 11/10/2007 - 08:20

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anyone out there interested USTOEUROVINE A Grateful Dead/NRPS 1970 Grateful Dead and the New Riders of the Purple Sage May 15 1970 Early and Late Shows Fillmore East. New York, New York Grateful Dead and New Riders of The Purple Sage. Capitol, Theatre , Port Chester NY. November 8, 1970 1 DVD All Shn Details P8 Sign Up 1 Sunshine-daydream 2 3 4 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bob Spanish Jam -
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Sat, 11/10/2007 - 13:07

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The Dec 71 shows with Run Rudolph Run spring to mind, i will see what else i can find Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Sat, 11/10/2007 - 13:54

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Actually I'd be inclined to go for '89 right now as I really don't now that period at all, but you and other keep saying how great it is. So i would be inclined to try summat new and wait a little longer on '81
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Fri, 11/23/2007 - 04:24

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Eurovine #5Autumn 1989 4 shows on one DVD 8th October 1989 12th October 1989 26th October 1989 and one from Christmas period 27th December 1989 ALL Charlie Miller tweaked Sorry 4 the delay 1. 2. 3. 4. Bob Grateful Dead - October 8, 1989 Hampton Coliseum - Hampton, VA Recording Info: SBD -> Cassette Master (TDK MA-XG90) Transfer Info: Cassette Master (Tascam 122mkII) -> Apogee MiniMe (24bit/48k) -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> FLAC/16 (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net December 16, 2006 Patch Info: (FOB) Schoeps CMC3/MK4 -> Dat -> CD supplies: Space (1:18 - 1:53) Notes: -- 2nd Set is seamless -- Thanks to Paul Scotton and Joani Walker for the tapes Set 1: d1t01 - Tuning d1t02 - Foolish Heart -> d1t03 - Walkin' Blues d1t04 - Candyman d1t05 - Me And My Uncle -> d1t06 - Big River d1t07 - Stagger Lee d1t08 - Queen Jane Approximately d1t09 - Bird Song -> d1t10 - The Promised Land Set 2: d2t01 - Tuning d2t02 - Help On The Way -> d2t03 - Slipknot! -> d2t04 - Franklin's Tower d2t05 - Victim Or The Crime -> d2t06 - Eyes Of The World -> d2t07 - Drums -> d3t01 - Space -> d3t02 - I Need A Miracle -> d3t03 - The Wheel -> d3t04 - Gimme Some Lovin' -> d3t05 - Morning Dew Encore: d3t06 - And We Bid You Good Grateful Dead - October 26, 1989 Miami Arena - Miami, FL Recording Info: SBD -> Cassette Master (TDK MA-XG90) Transfer Info: Cassette Master (Tascam 122mkII) -> Apogee MiniMe (24bit/48k) -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> FLAC/16 (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net January 24, 2007 Notes: -- 2nd Set is seamless -- Thanks to Paul Scotton and Joani Walker for the tapes -- Tape flips in Dark Star and Not Fade Away patched with DSBD Set 1: d1t01 - Foolish Heart d1t02 - Little Red Rooster d1t03 - Stagger Lee d1t04 - Me And My Uncle -> d1t05 - Big River d1t06 - Brown Eyed Women d1t07 - Victim Or The Crime -> d1t08 - Don't Ease Me In Set 2: d2t01 - Tuning d2t02 - Estimated Prophet -> d2t03 - Blow Away d2t04 - Dark Star -> d2t05 - Drums -> d3t01 - Space -> d3t02 - The Wheel -> d3t03 - All Along The Watchtower -> d3t04 - Stella Blue -> d3t05 - Not Fade Away Encore: d3t06 - And We Bid You Good Night Grateful Dead - December 27, 1989 Oakland Coliseum Arena - Oakland, CA Recording Info: SBD -> Dat -> Cassette Master (TDK MA-XG90) Transfer Info: Cassette Master (Nakamichi DR-1) -> Apogee MiniMe (24bit/48k) -> Samplitude Professional v9.1.1 -> Cool Edit Pro v2.0 -> FLAC/16 (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller November 9, 2007 Patch Info: (FOB) Schoeps CMC3/MK4 -> Dat -> CD -> Samplitude supplies: Drums (5:31 - 6:05) Notes: -- Set 2 is seamless -- Thanks to Paul Scotton and Joani Walker for the tapes -- Thanks to Joe B. Jones for his help with the pitch correction Set 1: d1t01 - Cold Rain And Snow d1t02 - Greatest Story Ever Told d1t03 - Never Trust A Woman d1t04 - Althea d1t05 - Me And My Uncle -> d1t06 - Big River d1t07 - Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues d1t08 - Bird Song -> d1t09 - The Promised Land Set 2: d2t01 - Iko Iko d2t02 - Playing In The Band -> d2t03 - Crazy Fingers -> d2t04 - Uncle John's Band -> d2t05 - Drums -> d3t01 - Space -> d3t02 - The Wheel -> d3t03 - I Need A Miracle -> d3t04 - Morning Dew Encore: d3t05 - Johnny B. Goode d3t06 - Black Muddy River - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Fri, 11/23/2007 - 21:33

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holding back on this one as I am away for 3 weeks! Will sign up when I return thanks Bob!
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 01:37

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This just received from Spain (thanks TL) As far as I can see scrolling back no one else has signed up. Please let me now if I am wrong or add your name if you want this one Eurovine Number One 4 Europe 72 shows 8th April 72 Wembley 14th April 72 Copenhagen 17th April 72 Copenhagen 23rd May 72 Lyceum see seperate posts for details 1. TigerLilly 2. Cosmic Badger 3 4. 5. put name in first vacant slot and contact person above you with your details
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 01:39

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Eurovine #3 Just received this one from TL in Spain, so it may have inadvertently skipped Greg! Greg can you PM me to confirm, and I will send it on to you and correct the vine. Eurovine #3 12th September 73 20th September 73 21st September 73 24th September 73 1.TigerLilly (renelilly@hotmail.com) 2.Greg Macfarlane 3.Cosmic Badger 4.
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 02:09

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if i remember rightly i sent a copy of this to Greg, when i couldn't contact TL but just check Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by Amsterhammer on Tue, 12/04/2007 - 14:46

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Eurovine Number One 4 Europe 72 shows 8th April 72 Wembley 14th April 72 Copenhagen 17th April 72 Copenhagen 23rd May 72 Lyceum see seperate posts for details 1. TigerLilly 2. Cosmic Badger 3 Amsterhammer 4. 5. put name in first vacant slot and contact person above you with your details
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Submitted by outsidewichita on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 01:01

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Eurovine #3 I've added myself; now, if I've read this correctlyI need to contact Greg (and buy some more blank CDs). 12th September 73 20th September 73 21st September 73 24th September 73 1.TigerLilly (renelilly@hotmail.com) 2.Greg Macfarlane 3.Cosmic Badger 4. outsidewichita
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 01:27

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I think you will find CB has a copy, there are 2 in circulation Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 01:54

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greetings from the Institute of Deserts in Ashkabad Turkmenistan (I am not joking). Just got here yesterday. Am obviously unable to send vines on right now. Amsterhammer and Wichita please PM me your postal addresses and I will send these to you after I get home on 17th December. must rush before I am arrested ..
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Submitted by Amsterhammer on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 06:39

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Understood...and mind how you go out there. Second PM sent.