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April 2, 2010 - 3:11pm

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Whatever the current version of Furthur is up to, discuss it here!

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May 17, 2010 - 10:35am

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Canyon Critter

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I've heard Gathering of the Vibes has always been a favorite

Any that reads this thread gone before??_____________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
May 16, 2010 - 4:01pm

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Canyon Critter

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Did you all see the Gathering of the Vibes announcement?

Weeeeeeeeee, now it's Furthur for sure. Gathering of the Vibes Headliner ~ Furthur Furthur Site Pretty much the whole family is gonna be there! Rythym Devils, Donna Jean, NRPS, David Gans, Steve Kimock, and many more! The aforementioned Primus as well. _____________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
May 10, 2010 - 11:43pm

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Gypsy Cowgirl

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Just so you know.....

If any of you going to Angels Camp & camping, there's RV hookups @ the Sonora County fairgrounds. It's a nice place & not too far from Angels Camp. Looks like from Furthur's website, you'd need a car to bring into Mt.Aire. If anyone knows how to post this on philzone, please do so.....have fun
May 10, 2010 - 4:30pm

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volksbus

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Furthur, July 2, Camping at or near Columbus, Ohio

I have been out of the area for awhile. What are some good camping options around the July 2 venue? Your advice and direction would be appreciated. "Get in the bus."
May 10, 2010 - 3:17pm

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Grateful Canuck

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And My 2 Cents

As hard as it was Zepplin did the right thing when John Bohnam left us, they disbanded Zep. John Bohnam was the engine for that band with his hard bluesy drumming which could not be duplicated. Unlike The Who who have been on 2 or 3 farwell tours, it kinda leaves a bad taste in your mouth when they call it quits then show up next year. I fell blessed with the shows that I saw with Jerry and I think Billy, Mickey, Phil and Bobby have done the right thing with The Other Ones, Furthur and Billy and Mickeys drum projects. We can all be thankful they all just did'nt Fade Away.......
May 10, 2010 - 2:44pm

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tphokie1

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My 2 cents

for what its worth, which may not be much, but here it is. I feel that the name Grateful Dead should be retired. Jerry Garcia is a musician of the importance of Mozart, Bach or Coltrane. This music would not exist without him. The Grateful Dead does not exist without him. However, the music he was such an integral part of is too important to be relegated to the past. It needs to continue. Like all great art it has too much to say to let it die. My 2 favorite names of the post Garcia era have been The Other Ones and Furthur (these were coincidentally my favorite post Jerry incarnations of the music). The Other Ones denoted that the remaining band members were still here and the music was still vital. Furthur denotes that the music is being carried on into the future. These names, both of which have historical significance to the scene, indicate that Jerry is no longer physically with us but his genius lives on. Long live Jerry and long live the music!
May 10, 2010 - 2:24pm

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incognito

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Good Points

Understood...Furthur it is...
May 10, 2010 - 6:41am

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the name "Grateful Dead"...

... has been retired to honor Jerry Garcia and the entity that toured for 30 years with 5 core members. Stardom and fame were brought to those who took up the burden of the dead beings still wandering in the bardo (the space between death and rebirth). Those beings still have power to influence from that state. When Phil opened up the dictionary on that fateful day in 1965 and opened up to that entry and put his finger on "Grateful Dead" he sealed the deal. Whether the name is used exactly as it is or not, there will always be musicians who are more or less doing wandering expired beings a favor and having that favor returned more than 100 fold. No wonder the GD did so well on the days of Halloween and celestial events such as solstice. Whether or not any of the above is true, it is usual and customary to retire the name of any long-running entity when it ceases to exist in a fundamental way from what it was. It's a sign of respect. Carrying the burden of the dead, allowing them to experience vicarious thrills through the still living is a wonderful and awesome burden. The Grateful Dead pulled it off with style.
May 10, 2010 - 5:36am

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streamline

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I don't know...

I don't know about that. It would be like calling a certain british band The Rolling Stones if either Mick Jagger or Keith Richards were to leave it. When Jerry Garcia left, the Grateful Dead was over. What the remaining members of that band do in the future can't be called that and this is largely why they have not toured under that name since 1995. "When it comes to humility, I'm the greatest!" - Bullwinkle Moose
May 9, 2010 - 11:33am

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incognito

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Why Not ?

Good Idea.

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Whatever the current version of Furthur is up to, discuss it here!

What I wrote two years ago on Furthur:

"get ready, get set, go furthur If the shows are less crowded and the people less jaded I know I'm going to have a great time in these venues where I've left footprints. Some times popularity kills the x-factor." I've seen a slew of Furthur shows now and I'm ready to say that most deadheads are on board with Furthur and that there will be increased popularity on the upcoming eastern tour in Nov. I don't even mean a lot of sell-outs at the venues, just more people, more busses, more dead-like atmosphere (back in Terrapin for good or ill again). It's the people going to the shows and their interaction with the band that makes the music so juicy and danceable. You may not like Bob and Phil singing certain songs and you may believe that they have too much of a leash on JK but you have to admit this band is dripping psychedelia on a very good night. And there are consistently more very good nights. It is hard to believe Phil is keeping up to the end on most evenings, maybe even better than Bob. I know I'm going to get criticized (even saying Jer-bear missing is not the same class) but Furthur after two years is capable of stealing the Greatful Dead's thunder for any show post-Hornsby on a given night, with a very few rare exceptions such as Chapel Hill. I know I'm going out on a limb here I never thought I would. I hope all you older deadheads 55-75 can hang up your smart phones for a few hours and have a good old-fashioned party with Furthut this fall. I guarantee that you are going to like a lot of the people you meet at shows and you know how much that adds to the experience. Furthur-on you grizzled veteran alumnai with you 40 year grsdustion wings & rings! (And give us your review -- we want to hear if we're in the minority)

What you said

Lamagonzo, they are flat out good. They could burn the building down anytime they wanted. Just like the GOGD. They are seriously good and I am enjoying these Furthur shows as much as any Dead show I ever saw. In 1971 I really missed the Dead of 1968, but they were gone and they weren't comin' back. Look what we were left with. I noticed the silver haired matron next to me, a contemporary unfortunately, using her smartphone to record the set list. Brilliant! Doubt I'll do that. I'll just wait for someone else to post it :-). We are so damn lucky to have these days......

phones

I'd rather have someone next to me quietly messing around on their phone than sitting in my lap, stepping on my feet or flat out staggering stumbling and falling into me.

Good point, Jack

Sorry if I seem reactionary about the cell phones. Personal point with me, I noticed at Red Rocks there is enough room for a sold out crowd except when seven guys descend on one person's place cause they "know" their friend. Then all that stuff you talk about happens. It's not the background noise of a cell phone that bothers me, rather the inattention to the event and the people surrounding you. Hell, maybe I'm in the minority about that now, too. I'm such a Luddite.

Gonzo

I am totally with you on the cell phone biz. And I admit I am a luddite as well. All the people on their phones at Red Rocks (as well as the inside shows I have attended), are a distraction probably related to the phone's light and if the person is trying to talk/yell into the phone. Due to my own reverance for the music as well aspaying big bucks to see/listen it is impossible for me to relate to those persons. And aslo having people fall into us, stagger and/or push/dance/shove does impede my enjoyment. All that happened at Red Rocks, but I will always be thankful for those shows. A real treat, despite unfortunate behavior. My two cents.

I hear ya

About cell phone use, especially talking on the phone. The way to get around the crowding is to make the whole place reserved. I hate GA and really hate when half the place is GA and the other half is rsrvd. RR is unique in that there is room to move around but inevitably someone will walk down the aisle then stop and stand right in front of you and you get a perfect view of their ass or they are standing on your feet, then if they are fucked up it's even more of an "adventure". The shows I've been too that are all rsrvd don't get crowded like that but hey when it is all rsrvd you can't over sell the place which I imagine cuts into profits.

Exit signs; they're on the way out, aren't they?

Good ol' Uncle Jeff.I believe he speaks for all of us on this irritation. And the noise keeps increasing; ever tried to listen to Johnny Cash in a splendid old theatre with yuppies and industry try-hards clinking glasses and chattering like hollow birds? I have.

Tweedy is never

One to mince words or suffer fools gladly or any other way. At a Neil Young show one time, Neil broke out his acoustic guitar and began to play solo, and some guys in back of me decided that since it was now quiet, it was a good time to start talking to each other. People shot them The Look to no avail, so after the first song I turned around and said, "Hey guys, great show!" And they agreed, we're all pals at this point. And then, "You know, I paid good my money to hear Neil sing, not to hear you guys talk, so could you either stop or take it somewhere else?" They left. They went away. I was really happy that they left (happier still that they didn't decide to punch me out for ragging at them), and a little sad that their conversation was more important than the music. I just don't get it sometimes. I recognized the then-new cell phone problem the first time I spotted someone talking on the phone while standing at a urinal (it was an Other Ones or Dead show, so it seemed real out-of-place to me)..."This call is so important that I'm talking to you while taking a whizz!" At least texting is silent, but the constant glow of the screens, especially at the edge of my peripheral vision, is nearly as distracting as talking. I don't get it, and I'm very content not to.

Tweedy

Wow, I loved that Tweedy rant. Makes me want to check out some of his music. I saw Keith Jarrett give a similiar rant one time. God bless them both!

blowing me down i was buried in sound

Oh PalmerEldritch...BOY are you lucky if you're new to Jeff Tweedy and Wilco! You have a fantastic catalogue of music to check out. An wonderfully emotional band.Incredibly poignant songs; beautiful lyrics. experimental, richly textured Americana that the world is crying out for. Here are some examples: Enjoy!

Wilco

Thanks jonapi, definitely will check those out. Never heard of Wilco before, except now that I think of it- maybe in the "what are you listening to right now" forum from time to time...:)

Wilco puts on a tremendous show!!

Jeff Tweedy's lyrics and the rest of the band's auditory additions are simply outstanding. Do yourself a favor (one kind favor?) and catch them live. You won't regret it. We are planning a run to KC to catch Wilco next month. These guys are a real treat!

Wilco

Thanks for the kind advice Oroboros. I just might!- I see Wilco's coming here to Los Angeles in January- and tix on sale tomorrow-

Wilco

Thanks for the kind advice Oroboros. I just might!- I see Wilco's coming here to Los Angeles in January- and tix on sale tomorrow-

indeed

Yeah, i second that one Oroboros!Saw them in a wonderful old Art Deco cinema in East London called the Troxy; great venue. It was Jeff's birthday. You will love them live. Glenn Kotche and Nels Cline are fantastic musicians.

Another Wilco taste

If you get a chance to see the Neil Young tribute concert on TV or DVD, Wilco does a very-Wilco version of "Broken Arrow." I was speculating over what they may have played at the show -- my first knee-jerk was "Tonight's the Night," but then thought that emotionally it would be a tough one to play with Neil sitting there in the front row (though I've heard the Pretenders cover "Needle and the Damage Done" opening for Neil, so go figure). My next guess was "Sedan Delivery," but I was hoping for "Barstool Blues." "Broken Arrow" was a complete surprise to me, but then it seemed not surprising at all. Not for nothing, I've always thought that the closing guitar coda on the album version of "At Least that What She Said" sounded like it came right out of the Neil and Crazy Horse songbook (pre-Nels joining the band, which definitely changed the lead guitar dynamic). I do love Wilco. Furthur too, to get back on-topic.

alone in the rain yet so it goes

good man, gratefaldean!and yes, apologies for diverting the topic into wilco territory! back to furthur indeed. although personally, i just can't get it at the moment; lord knows i've tried. it actually really rankles that it isn't happening for me. which is strange, as i like to immerse myself in the flow and let my spirit take it where it may. it really shouldn't bother me yet it does. maybe it will come in time. presently, i'm left feeling apathetic. all good things in all good time, i guess.

God knows you're not alone, Jonapi

There are a lot of deadheads (still, a minority) who just can't dig Furthur. It just doesn't click for them. They can't stand different members singing other member's songs or a number of other things. I think it's, again, an acquired taste and not everybody is going to like it. It's just so cool that these guys who used to play for silver now play for life. Furthur has a foundation and is helping people through different grants. Mostly, at 52 years old, I am just so freaking happy that I have some music to love and dance to and a scene to gather around. I guess my problem is that my taste doesn't go beyond bluegrass and jam bands. At least you've got Wilco and probably a dozen others to keep you happy.

let it grow

hey gonzo,i agree that it's great they're out doing it; it's not that i don't like it or can't stand it or anything. just left with a feeling of "oh......." which as i mentioned, really frustrates me as i've never felt this way about any other Dead-related band: Phil & Friends i love, Ratdog, Scaring The Children, Rhythm Devils (with Tim Bluhm, not Keller), 7 Walkers (a massive fan); i've no qualms about John Kadlecik, no "it's just not Jerry" bullshit from me. what really irritates me is i don't know why it isn't happening for me. maybe it will grab me when i least expect it, when the set and setting materialises in it's own good time. doesn't help that i can't see them live of course; no home sound system will compensate for that experience. some kinda mental block maybe. oh well...

#@$% cellphones

I'm just going to jump back a bit on the thread, because I missed that part of the conversation. DH & I have both managed to avoid cellphones, and I'm pretty proud of this. But I've noticed that as time goes by, and I mention it to my ever-younger new hires and high school interns, they respond as though I've said, "Yep, no indoor plumbing for us, but that's OK, cause we have an outhouse and a pump right out in back of the house!"But I seriously believe that they taketh more than they giveth. When I'm walking to the subway at night, humming The Wheel or somesuch, the last thing in the world I want is for my pocketbook to start ringing. I would probably set it on fire and throw it in the street! If you are having an emergency, call 911, cause I still can't get home any faster than the train will get me there. If I am having an emergency, I've scoped out all the train stations I pass through, and they all have payphones, so I'm always sure to carry quarters. And at concerts??!! I've been at so many shows where I am experiencing something live and immediate and wonderful, and the people around me - all seem to be on the phone. Poor suckers.

Manchester, Furthurrrrrrr...

Indian Summer lures you in, and then blows your hair straight back with a hail of roses ~ Were they ever here at all ~

When I was in Eugene...

I was generally fukin-gruven dancing and then Furthur goes into the Eleven and this beautiful hippy girl does this 10 minute "The Eleven" dance in front of me that would blow some dervish away. I got right to the vibe and we stomped on the terra. Hope to repeat in Manchester tomorrow. It may be awhile before I see'em again, if ever.

Manchester - Portland - Amherst

Couldn't ask for a nicer weekend in November!

Furthur: Manchester 11/3/11 East tour opener

Good show. I didn't do the list but it was a Playin'>Cold Rain opener and a wailing Uncle John's>Playin' to close with a Ripple encore. Sorry I missed you, Rosa. Hope you have a nice road trip!

Manchester

Hey Gonzo, sorry we didn't connect. I did try to call you a couple of times, but it was going to VM. We really enjoyed the show, lots of excellent tunes. We did connect with our nephew and his wife. It was their first Furthur show, and they loved it! We just arrived in Portland - tenth floor of HI by the Bay, excellent views!Lots of Deadheads about :) Going to venture forth in search of a lobster roll soon.

Holiday Inn Portland, Rosa

Memories of my youth, Catholic youth that is. We had a state CYO convention in that Holiday Inn in the spring of 1973, we were the first people to stay in the hotel, kind of a pre-opening. They stacked us 5 to the room, we spent the second afternoon drinking (them were the days of the 18 yr old drinking age, so some of us were actually "legal" in the eyes of the law) and otherwise imbibing (not so legal) before the Big Dance. Two of my roomies got a bit too wasted and got kicked out of the convention that night. Ahhh, the good old daze...precursor of several other Portland Civic Center /HI adventures to follow. Have a great show!

The average age at Furthur shows...

...varies by region. In East Coast Cities vs hard core counter-cultural areas the crowds are a lot younger. You don't see that big element of 45-60 along with the 60-75 subset that can make up more than 50% of the show. I think a lot of people in cow country really like that cowboy music.

Portland

Grateful Dean, I'm actually learning to love the HI in Portland. We have always stayed at the Regency down in the Old Port, but the HI has a lot going for it. The view is amazing, the Dogfish restaurant nearby is really good, and if you're playing around with Priority Visa points, you just can't beat it! It looks like there are a couple more new bars/restaurants up in that area, but we haven't tried them yet. We really miss Katahdin - that was one of our all time favorites. DH bumped into them while staying at HI for a Phish show several years back. I've had some of the best meals of my life there. Sea scallops in a lobster-nectarine reduction on a bed of local mesclun - it doesn't get any better than that in my book!I was really hoping the Time & Temperature building would be flashing "Welcome Deadheads," but it still says "Call Joe." I wonder if I'll ever figure out what that's all about. Gonzo, I love the age diversity at the shows. I think it says something about this music that it can resonate with you whether you're 17 or 75. I don't think that too many bands could claim such a thing. Awesome setlist last night. They did what I think of as the beautiful psychedelic songs - Crazy Fingers - Chinacat - St Stephen! And I've been waiting for Touch of Gray for Years - it was the encore, and DH caught it on the second note. I thought he was teasing me, as in "don't you wish the encore would be?" But he was telling me that IT WAS! Yes! So do any of you guys know Amherst? I asked for restaurant suggestions on Furthur.net, and everyone is just laughing and sugesting McD's/bring a sandwich. Can it really be such a dining wasteland? And in a college town, no less? We had a pretty crappy dinner out there last year, but I was hoping we just made a poor choice.

Rosa, would have recommended

The Dove's Nest in Sunderland, or near there, 10 minutes from the show.. I also would have went to the Peace Pagoda in Leverett, 20 minutes from the show and nice view with a tranquil vibe. I love the Pioneer Valley!

MSG Tonight: INFO Sought

ANYBODY KNOW what radio station FM might carry tonight's Furthur show? Or you got a code for the TV feed? Would love to be there but can't justify it to my non-dead partner... Somebody mentioned gdradio.net might replay the show. Is this true? Anybody know anything about virtually being there tonight???

I know

That tapers will stream shows. I haven't participated in a live stream yet but the people over at furthur.net do that all the time, like every show. If I can find out more info I'll post here...

Yep, this newest advancement...

...in streaming technology is called the "Couch Tour" and I'm told it's commercially available for $15 or $20 a show. You can have your own little rave right at home on the 80" plasma with speakers that will shake the neighbor's windows. I don't know who does this or how it works or if it's real. It could be as real as the rumor going around that these 250 Furthur shows are Bob & Phil's 401k.

1 Week Till Chicago!!!

WOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Oh and did I say YEHHHAWWWWWWWWWW. It's Peanut Butter Jelly Time! That being said, Gonzo and JStraw I'll post the link here the second I get it. If it is a private guy (sometimes but not always) I'll be sure to PM you. There are live streams, but usually there is about a set delay on several other non-private streams, so if you come home late or something.

Thanks critter!

Thanks man!

YW~Raiders Game

Yeah my Raiders are playing the Chargers tonight, so going over to best friends to watch. I'll make sure to bring the laptop so I can at least give you guys the link while watching.

Stream list, sorry not early

Stream list, sorry not early but this is on iPhone while I'm watching raiders. Here's one http://www.ustream.tv/channel/furthur-msg11 I know I usually link but again iPhone. Also chech for TaperRob under search for ustream for his sets.

Live stream here

http://www.eight2theuniverse.com/bobnjerryshow/ Live stream

Epic MSG~Raiders

Not only did my Raiders win....but the MSG show was so I was told....EPIC. Looks good on paper and I hear the energy was en FUEGO. MSG 11/10/11 Set 1: Sugar Magnolia> Scarlet Begonias> Ramble On Rose ^ Tennessee Jed> # Uncle John's Band> % Eyes Of The World> # So Many Roads # Box Of Rain Set 2: % Shakedown Street> % The Other One> % St Stephen> Unbroken Chain> The Wheel...> Days Between> *# Keep Your Lamps Trimmed And Burning> % Fire On The Mountain> % Sunshine Daydream Donor rap encore: ^ Attics Of My Life ^ w/Larry Campbell guitar/vocals & Teresa Williams vocals # w/Larry Campbell fiddle % w/Larry Campbell guitar * w/Teresa Williams vocal

Looks great on paper

I always love it when Larry and Teresa sit in. Anybody hear it? I always feel as if the boys just can't go wrong at MSG. Worth paying to buy the sbd?

Thanks for the link Critter

Have a great tour out in the midlands!

GDean -- re: SBDS

Be careful about buying the SBs from Furthur, unless you already have one and are satisfied with the quality. I have read lots of comments that most tapers are putting up much better copies on the usual sites.

Thx Gonz

I have probably a half-dozen or so Furthur shows that I've purchased (part of the "support the band" thing for me), but I'm always torn between searching for a decent taper copy and rolling the dice by buying the sbd. What I should do is listen first, but somehow it never seems to work out that way. I either download the taper copy based on its reviews, or make the purchase...and then listen much later.

critter

How'd you like Tebow tramplin' over your Raiders last week? ;) I am glad they beat SD though, I want Rivers and SD to go away ... far away Thanks for the link man!

Raiders in First!

WOhooooooooo....they looked great the next games!

Midwest Tour Starts!

Here we go..... Time to go a little Furthur..... ~WRPS~

Can't wait. This should be a blast! Ok, got a day to prepare...shoes, pants, tix, shirt, and some warm blankies check. Cooler, liquor, love, kind brownie mix, eggs, veggies, and trail mix check. Down sleeping bag (old school coleman style), killer pillow and my Leatherman....check. 15 Lot presents, Music, Drumz, Lovelight...check. Ready. Tomorrow gonna make sure all music is loaded on laptop and head over to Ch1na's to get the bonfire pit, sleeping quarters, firewood stove all ready for the "pit stop" in between all the shows. Can't friggin wait for some Midwest lovin' bring on the Hippy Chicks and Kind Dance to the Golden Road of a 4-5 daze vacation. Next stop Rosemont, IL... Furthur: Phil Lesh & Bob Weir Friday, November 18, 2011 at 7:30 PM Allstate Arena Rosemont, Illinois Furthur: Phil Lesh & Bob Weir Saturday, November 19, 2011 at 7:30 PM Alliant Energy Center Coliseum Madison, Wisconsin Furthur: Phil Lesh & Bob Weir Sunday, November 20, 2011 at 7:30 PM Fabulous Fox Theatre - MO Saint Louis, Missouri Furthur: Phil Lesh & Bob Weir Monday, November 21, 2011 at 7:30 PM Murat Theatre at Old National Centre Indianapolis, Indiana Time for some Chicago Good lovin' Chicago Warm Up Movie from 2010