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  • marye
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    I don't really recall
    that any one particular thing happened, but people sure had a lot of arcane theories about what they should be doing at any given moment. My vague recollection is that the actual convergence was closer to the Park City show than Telluride, but that may be an error. In the interim between those shows, I think.
  • fluffanutter
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    So, what happened
    at the harmonica convention (as a friend of mine called it) back in 87 at Telluride? Did everybody hold their breath and turn blue? I could tell a story about the supposed harmonic convergence but it wouldn't have anything to do with the Grateful Dead...
  • marye
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    that Ed is a new fan, but a lot of the Furthur audience is. A growing number of that audience wasn't born when Jerry passed.
  • marye
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    yeah well...
    having survived the highly overhyped Harmonica Virgins (aka The Harmonic Convergence), I'm not so sure about the cosmology, but I'm kinda glad there are new fans coming along making an impassioned and closely reasoned case for the importance of Furthur on their own merits. I mean, for a while in my early days there I preferred the Jerry Band to the Dead, too. There are no right and wrong answers here... Also, I don't know about you, but I never saw Jerry without knowing how fleeting this was and how lucky we were (not that this was necessarily topmost in one's mind while getting soaked and trampled in the rain, but you get the drift), and I think the new Furthur crowd probably has some of the same thing going on, even though they've got a lot more options in the current festival/jamband/etc. scene.
  • Anna rRxia
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    Hi Ed --I just finished reading your piece over morning coffee so this is off the top of my head without much thinking. I liked your piece. It is well written and is pretty thorough in it's treatment of comparing two runs of similar length by two different bands playing much the same material. I really liked the analogy of the copy of Dionysus' followers (dancing maened) made by the Romans even as I disagreed with it's import --that Furthur was as much of historical significance as the Grateful Dead. In this respect the two cannot be compared. Furthur will never have any of it's performances in the National Archive. Nobody (but you) is intimating they are good enough to have an exhibit in any museum, much less have their own museum (The archive at UCSC). The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame in Cleveland would be the obvious place to honor Furthur and I don't think they're ever going to do it. Your summation at the end is the weakness of the entire piece. You don't really tie it all together and declare your finding. Were they comparable, not comparable or does the whole concept of comparing these two entities have any merit at all? As with all of these types of articles about the Grateful Dead it is easy for me to pick out the inaccuracies in fact about the Grateful Dead's historical performances. The Grateful Dead did Jack Straw in the second set on a handful of occasions, The Grateful Dead played LTGTR from 1989 to 1994 something like 30 times. The Grateful Dead opened with Space on 10/31/85 into Werewolves of London. I have been looking/calling for analysis of Furthur performances and I am grateful for yours. Especially your counting of the beats to measure tempo. There is definitely a slow-down there. They also speed up on a couple of tunes like Casey Jones and Cosmic Charlie. I do think you miss the main point when comparing Jerry and JK. I can't belabor the point here in as I've made it clear in other threads. I thought the most interesting point in the whole article is that Jerry thought 2012 was a special year. And Furthur will be playing on the evening of the transformation/cataclysm. That is something I have been saying for years. I think many of us flashed on that at one time or another between 1965 and 1995. We just didn't see it would be with Bob & Phil carrying the torch into that dark and stormy night... Well, maybe not necessarily "dark and stormy", but an appropriate ritual for a couple of aging warlocks!
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    Furthur's Beacon Run vs the Dead's MSG Run
    I just posted an analysis of Furthur's 8-night run at the Beacon this past April to the Grateful Dead's 9-night run at Madison Square Garden in 1991 on my blog: http://rockandrollnerd.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/the-boys-take-manhattan… I would love to get your feedback. Thanks! -Ed
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    HAPPY FATHER'S DAY JERRYAND TO ALL FATHER'S HERE AND THERE AND EVERYWHERE- ALL OVER THE WORLD! ----------------------------------(----@
  • Anna rRxia
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    Greenfield interviewed by Gans
    "The constant conflict in the band was, "Jerry, we're going on the road again." And he would say, "More money, man? Really, what for?" He had no financial incentive to go on the road with the Dead. The Jerry Garcia Band was selling out venues that the Dead had previously sold out. His artwork and ties were earning him money. And he had royalties from Cherry Garcia ice cream. He could have stayed home, made music, and painted. He had to ask himself, "What am I doing here with people who think I'm God, who are thirty years younger than me, who worship me but don't know me?" Jerry talked about it with Laird Grant, who was the Dead's first roadie: "This scares me," Jerry said. "I don't want this. It's too much weight." Ahhhhh Jerry, thanks so much for all the good times. The more you do for others...
  • Buck_Kharma
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    Garcia Interview On Altamont
    I think it was on one of those Rock History documentaries and the topic was Altamont. Jerry was giving insights on it, and I remember one of the things he said was "the air was particulating." I did read a quote where Jerry likened Altamont to "a day in hell." If anyone knows the documentary I am talking about I would like to know. I do remember that Altamont was presented as the end of the 60's.
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    Is that really you? It's been a long time since I saw you here...welcome back!
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Thank you Jerry! You are missed...hoosker
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YEAH MAN......We Love You And Miss You Jerry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NTFDAWY
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Rest in Peace. You deserve nothing less for the joy your music and vibes gave to the world. While you may have left us physically, only a fool would think that your spirit is no longer with us and living within us. Peace
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Where were you in this day of history? Driveing my car down a country road. Nearly wrecked into a ditch hearing the news come over my radio. Wept..........
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The music is the greatest gift of all. So much love.
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I had just gotten home from work when I got a phone call. I completely thought it was a joke. But my friend told me to turn on the TV and sure enough it was sadly true. It was just like losing a family member or other loved one, because I truly loved this guy, ya know? I made it down to the beach (OB, SD, CA) where there was a great gathering of mourners. It was surreal.
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because you were here to sheperd us through this crazy world, you and the boys. To feel the depth of the beauty and grace you shared with us...is breath-taking. Thank you, Jerry
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Will never forget the Music and the Magic........ I miss it dearly. Peace to all you fellow travelers who believed and helped to make "IT" happen. Someday we shall be there again! And thank you Jerry.......
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I was at this show when the boys trotted out La Bamba for the very first time... a pretty good mix, in my humble opinion. AND this post has nothing to do with the current Call the tune, Round 14!! something I've wondered, Could Garcia speak Spanish? peace.
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I also asked this on the DNC board, and some folks said yes he could and others said he couldn't... anyways, he was really cute singing La Bamba! arriba y arriba!!
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I think Jerry in a schoolboy suit would have been FUN to see!! Dig! "May your dogs be with you"
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about as close as he ever came to an Angus school boy suit:
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I miss Jerry so much, you just made my day! I'm grateful :)
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I miss Jerry also!! These video clips are a great way to relive the music and the spirit of Jerry and The Grateful Dead!!! Peace everyone!!!
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Does anybody out there know what's up with the PURE JERRY series.'' IT's BEEN TO LONG'' ''''' Long LIVE JERRY'''''
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Go to the Official Jerry Garcia Store online ,they just released volume 7 of Pure JerryFor $124.00 you can get the full set volumes 1-7 check it out!! :)
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Does anybody know why Jerry moved from playing on the right side of the stage to the left? The switch appears to have happened in the late 70s.
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I've heard a rumor:Jerry wanted to be on the same side of the stage like Ace Freehly of KISS. Garcia was a huge KISS fan in the late 70's, often seen backstage at KISS shows. in fact, Jerry taought Ace how to play, if you listen carefully6, you will notice similarities in their lead styles. Ace used to bust his balls, saying he was on the Gene side. hope this helps. peace.
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it was so he could be closer to the buffet, hahahahaha! "If the forms of this world die, which is more real, the me that dies or the me that's infinite? Can I trust my habitual mind, or do I need to learn to look beneath those things?"
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I think it was to hang with Brent. Brent rekindled the fire in the band, and it is well known that Jerry liked playing with new people. You could always see him light up when a guest player was on stage.
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about Jerry and KISS. mmm to be taught by Jerry, man The buffet? He He , That one warranted a laugh, thanks Right on Cable guy. Never thought of that either. Learning new and cool things everyday What a journey PEACE
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about Jerry and KISS. mmm to be taught by Jerry, man The buffet? He He , That one warranted a laugh, thanks Right on Cable guy. Never thought of that either. Learning new and cool things everyday What a journey PEACE
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about Jerry and KISS. mmm to be taught by Jerry, man The buffet? He He , That one warranted a laugh, thanks Right on Cable guy. Never thought of that either. Learning new and cool things everyday What a journey PEACE
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about Jerry and KISS. mmm to be taught by Jerry, man The buffet? He He , That one warranted a laugh, thanks Right on Cable guy. Never thought of that either. Learning new and cool things everyday What a journey PEACE
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this problem a lot more, but it hasn't been in evidence so much lately. Sorry for the aggravation!
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If you can find a copy of Norfolk 1982, Bobby makes an announcement on stage about the the position changes. I think it's before Peggy-O. I had the tape many moons ago. Maybe it was the quality of the recording, but most of his statement was incoherent. So I have no idea what he said. The last time I remember listening to Norfolk 1982 was in the year 1982. So I could be totally wrong about this. lol.
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Can't remember the year. ..I know that's shocking but it seems like late 70's maybe a show in Providence...Jerry was set up in the middle...I liked the left and the right sides but he did get into jammin' with Brent.
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frisko-mobb shop tattoo aurora,co i came up with the wolf for most of my time touring. so it definetly is my fav when i awoke the wolf was grinning at my window. all i said was |come on in|
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I'll take two, as well... :-) "If the forms of this world die, which is more real, the me that dies or the me that's infinite? Can I trust my habitual mind, or do I need to learn to look beneath those things?"
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The sadest part about being a 22 year old deadhead is that I'll never have the opportunity to see Jerry play :( ~littlebri
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but if it's any comfort, in the end I think there are going to be more of you than there are of us, and it will just keep going in whatever way it figures out.
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Age doesn't mean a fucking thing. I saw Jerry once and my wife saw him about thirty times. It all comes down to personal taste. I personally don't like anal folk who shit on younger fans, but thats just me. marye makes a good and unevitable point, we all move on from life. All of the folks who experienced the Grateful Dead will eventually be replaced with people who havn't. Who the fuck cares? Enjoying the music? Well turn it up then!
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Am I wrong? It's about sharing and getting along. Isn't it?
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littlebri Get all the DvD's you can afford, especially the reissued Grateful Dead Movie, and Winterland. In the reissued Grateful Dead movie, the last disk with the extra cuts is heaven on earth. Play that on a nice big screen, with great sound, turn down the lights, and you will see Jerry live. I must of seen hundreds of shows; very fortunate indeed. It wasn't the first show, but the second, where I the dead were forever etched in my heart & soul. It was a show in the week at the Fillmore in April of 1971, when TC was a guest, and opened the 2nd set with Morning Dew. That entire show is beyond words and remains my favortie to this day, although there are quite a few close to it. Jerry, Pigpen, Keith, Brent, Jimi, Duane, Janis and to all the rainbow warriors who have moved on to become...... you are missed. Forever young -Easywind
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Thanks Easywind, but I have already done that. One of the greatest things about being a younger deadhead is that I am still learning and discovering the Grateful Dead, and yes, I agree that there are many more of us younger ones than vets (especially out here on the west coast of BC). I do wish I could have seen Janis and all the others, but Jerry is the one musician that I appreciate the most out of all of them, so I will just continue to experience all the music the best way I know how.~littlebri
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You are NOT wrong. In fact, you couldn't be more right. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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Live Dead = The SGEurope 72 = The Strat Without a Net = Tiger Fender preamp. Love the simple stuff. Love the live stuff. Like the envelope follower. After "Built to Last" the Guitar technology became an explosion of digitally enhanced infinite possibilities. Jerry was a kid in a candy store.
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No Jerry guitar here, but I really dig Jerry.........................DIG!! :) "May your dogs be with you"
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Hi Jerry, Don't you think it's about time we wrapped this thing up... Looking forward to seeing you again soon. Love, Byrd
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Senor, senor, let's disconnect these cables,Overturn these tables. This place don't make sense to me no more. Can you tell me what we're waiting for, senor? miss u jer