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When The First Show Is Shipping ??? Thanks :0)

Sorry for the double post :0(

Has the track listing been posted anywhere? Would be nice to know if there are additional tracks on this release.

Filler? After all the bitching and moaning here about "destroying" the natural flow of the show? I don't think so. ;-)

You hit the nail on the head. Should actually have a new forum opened titled "bitching and moaning". Problem with that would be the servers would get overloaded.I, for one, would vote for filler versus a disc only half full of music.

I don't see any 'bitchin' and moanin' here against filler (though I can understand the natural flow argument). I only see positive sentiments 'for filler', a camp in which I reside (shame about the empty space on the 'To Terrapin' release).

one more 100% positive sentiment for fillers or "hidden tracks" or whatever ...come on dave, we all know, you can!

Agreed. Logo is very weak!!

I was there great show I hope the next one is 9/15/73 thamks

"When The First Show Is Shipping ??? Thanks :0)" I think I read February somewhere.

Highlights:-1/2 Step: 3d solo 4:07 – 5:45 , spring ’77 sound, no hurry, all the time in world, delightful; wonderful outro 8:08 – 9:50; a very good to excellent version overall -Lazy Lightning: hot solo 1:50 – 2:27 -Supplication: relaxed intro, Jerry coloring in the lines, builds up slowly, head bobbing, at 2:45 the vocals start, nice outro; excellent LL > Supp -BE Women: solo 1:40 – 2:45, hot, smile-inducing 3 run solo; very well-sung, Jerry sounds great -Scarlet: solo 2:51 – 4:19, 3 runs, excellent, especially 2d and 3d runs; jam starts at 4:46, runs to 10:18, very good jam -Fire: vocals at 2:20; 1st solo 3:23 – 5:55, last minute of which is amazing; outro 7:48 -11:12, Jerry running down the scale then jumps into a good groove; excellent Sc > Fire (21:30 overall combined) -Wheel: this one puts a smile on my face, Jerry’s guitar :) -Around: Bobby growling, rock & roll, great jam in the middle that stops on a dime Note: As to what should be the highlight on paper--Other: no big bomb to start, Jerry racing though, 1st vocals at 3:18; jam starts at 3:56 – standard fast playing by Jerry, enjoyable but not taking off, at 7:35 the band tries to change the tempo but Jerry isn’t buying it, this seems to push him further, choppy strumming around 8:55, Jerry’s guitar tone changes, earthier sound but somehow the effect is being taken further out into space, this turns back into the standard Other One jamming, a little hint of Wharf at 10:57 & again at 11:17, fast but quiet strumming, Phil starts dropping some Other mini-bombs around 12:35, at 13:10 a jam almost starts, Jerry playing beautifully almost by himself, sort of a long and pretty intro to what sounds like it will be Wharf; overall a good+ version, but jams are hard to come by at this point, and Jerry not only doesn’t explore much but kinda sticks to the tried and true, which isn’t bad, just not much chance of being great Overall: VG show, 8.5/10; everything is played well, much of it very well, and portions of many of the first set songs are great, but not much except Scarlet > Fire, stands out as being exceptional

How about the Avalon Ballroom show from1967-01-27? Or something like that. Maybe three of those high energy short shows in their entirety, together as one release? That stuff is crazy magic.

How about the Avalon Ballroom show from1967-01-27? Or something like that. Maybe three of those high energy short shows in their entirety, together as one release? That stuff is crazy magic.

I reiterate my admiration for DL's moxie, going with a whole May '77 show. Looking forward to hearing this up close. As long as Dave is in a daring mood to provoke the jaded and the know-it-alls, maybe he would consider feeding our never-ending '72 lust with a compilation of additional September Stanley Theatre fireworks.

ok, can we get some tech help on this site? It feels and works like a compuserve page from 1997.

@inthemoment: So right you are! 1/27 is Outrageous - OUTRAGEOUS...epic Viola Lee, I would love to see a cleaned up version + a couple of similarly short shows to fill out a complete release - talk about something unlike anybefore it! People, check it out: http://www.archive.org/details/gd67-01-27.aud.hanno.16744.sbeok.shnf Great call.

this is the most fun i can have with my pants on!!!! flippin AWESOME!!!

Yep, thanks for the support on this idea. I'd love, love, love it if we could have something like that in our sweaty, little hands. Imagine three short, but entire, primally explosive shows all in one release! I think the early stuff is so magical. It was such a special time in '67 and '68 when the Dead were opening their wings and really exploring flight!This type of release has not been done before and would make us really happy! Thanks again katky111!!!

Positiveness. I love you, all!

#4750/12000 landed on my doorstep last night. Just in time for the roadtrip.

I can't wait for volume 2. My first show! It was a hot Saturday night and I remember signing up for the mailing list outside at a little table. They used to send out all kinds of cool stuff, even some mini-lp's from the solo projects, cool stickers and all kinds of cool newsletters. I am so happy that I will finally have a great copy of the show. Cheers!

That was an excellent first release! My only complaint/ suggestion is that the digipak takes up an awful lot of shelf space and at the rate you release shows shelf space is always a concern. The 'Trucking up to Buffalo' release used thinner CD trays. If you used thinner trays that could save a little space and reduce the size by almost 1/3. The ideal packaging would be a cardboard tri-fold similar to Road Trips/Europe 72 but with each CD in an individual ENVELOPE that slides in and out easily to protect against fingerprints and scratches. The problem with Road Trips/Europe 72 was that the CDs were loose so they got scratched up and picked up debris. Envelopes slide in and out easily so that minimizes any package tearing that people experienced with Europe 72. I like digipaks but they take up twice the precious shelf space than does a tri-fold. RECOMMENDATION: Try 13 cm (rather than 12.5 cm) tall tri-folds with CD envelopes. They save shelf space, protect the CD as effectively as a digipak, and are more Eco-friendly too since they use no plastic (other than in the envelope window).

Shelf space, yes a problem. Now you get to hear from the folks who didn't want digipaks. Plus, sad to say, the cardboard portion of this package is on the lightweight side and appears to result in some stability problems with the package as a whole -- we could be taking the "ripping cardboard" problem to whole new level with these products. I agree with Romberg -- cardboard w/sleeves, please. I guess it's too late for that. Oh well, on to the music!

Hi mary-e I've been trying since December to find out what is happening with my Road Trips Vol. 4 No. 5. No sign of it, three months and counting. I've sent loads of emails to Customer Service. I was assured the issue was escalated to "tier 2" and that a replacement would be sent. Then I was told the replacement might not have been sent. Now my emails are just being ignored. My case number is 400725066. I have no idea if a replacement has been sent because I can't get a straight answer or, as is the case now, even just a reply. Any assistance you can offer would be fantastic. It's beyond ridiculous now. I have just received Dave's Picks Vol. 1 which was only sent the other day yet still haven't received what was supposedly sent to me in November. I was a Road Trips subscriber so 1/4 of my order has not been fulfilled. At this point I'll gladly take a 1/4 refund just to sort it out. Thank you.

what I can find out...

Dr. Rhino says he has requested another set to be sent to you.

Something that caught my eye is the distinction of all four volumes in 2012 will be limited to 12,000. Previously it was stated all subsequent volumes will be limited to 12,000. Hopefully it's so popular next year will see increased production- or maybe next year availability will be more than limited release. As long as Dave's Picks continues, I'm happy.

I've been very jazzed with this new release. Cassidy is sweet. Just a couple of art comments; which pictures are from the Mosque? Donna's wearing three different dresses in the pictures. Also, i'm not getting the drumstick light-saber artwork, why not use the Mosque as inspiration? It's architecture is discusses in glowing terms in the liner notes and it would have been a good vehicle. Cheers, the music is keeping me on track. Remember that point in the dead shows when you realize everything is going to be alright? Mark

I really don't get any satisfaction from being the kid who sees that the emperor has no clothes, but...5/26/77 is a lackluster show. The first set presents some turgid versions of tunes that really should have some snap to them. Mickey, for all his skill, has very little swing to his style and there is no rhythm that he can't turn into a up-and-down march beat, especially the cowboy songs. He drags down Mexicali Blues to a dull thud and turns Brown-Eyed Women into a fast fox trot. The second set never really takes off into Space and the Chuck Berry encore is perfunctory. There is equal or better '77 material that could be released, even considering the glut of shows from this year already merchandised. Boston, Ithaca, Buffalo and St. Paul are all at least as good. Take the best from each and you'd have a great Road Trips release, in the original concept of that series. I know that these are not all in the Vault, but you get the idea. If complete shows are in demand, at least give us good first sets. Here's the spirit of the Dead's trip: Damn the sales projections. Forget what you can sell the most of and give us the unusual, the daring and the confrontational. There are only two official release from 1968 and we have had very few 1969 or 1970 shows lately. I'm not trying to start an argument, but I bet that there are others who will agree.

Starting with: love the Dave's Picks. The Mosque has long been among my faves of '77. Can't wait for vol. 2. Unfortunately I have further problems, and customer service seems uninterested in my plight. I accidentally ordered two Dave's Picks subscriptions. I canceled one right away. No problem. But the second charge never came off my credit card. I figured I'd end up getting two subscriptions, then. Nope. So now I have one year's worth of discs for the price of two, and no one at Rhino (or is it Dead.net? Who knows anymore?) seems concerned. I wouldn't ordinarily air my grievances in public. But nothing else is working.

Just happened to glance at this forum and noticed two customer service issues on the same page. I had one a couple of year ago similar to Little Ben Clock's. No one expects perfection but the recurring theme in all was a great deal of indifference and intransigence on the part of customer service once they knew there was a problem. Given that these music releases depend upon the customer loyalty through mail order it seems counter to the interests of the GD and Rhino that problems like these would be tolerated. Since my experience I have considered making new purchases because I want to support keeping this music out there but haven't done so because I keep remembering how I was treated by customer service. And I would NEVER commit to a subscription here which would remove my one way of expressing dissatisfaction with any problem in the future - stopping future purchases particularly now that it's clear my experience was not isolated and is ongoing.

Not certain, but would bringing it up with your CC company help? Agreed, CS has gone into the tank since they stopped playing Grateful Dead music for folks on hold. That was the first sign of trouble for me. They don't seem to give a rip about us.

Yeah, that's probably what I'll have to do - I was just hoping the folks at Rhino would find it in their good graces to handle it on their end. That's a whole separate area of hassle, plus I'd hate to have an overcompensation-fix and end up with no subscription at all.

Maybe you did this- Perhaps you could send a PM to marye and hopefully she could look into it for you. She's always very helpful...

sffct, I could not agree more with your comments regarding Dave's Picks #1. This show is AVERAGE at best. The entire set list is pedestrian. It starts out good enough with the 1/2 Step and Jack Straw, but doesn't ascend any further. Cassidy and Lazy Lightnin' -> Supplication are, in my opinion, a mess. The second set is sub par performance wise with regard to the rest of the tour. The sound quality of Dave's Picks #1 is superb, but I'll take an aud. of a hot show over a board of an average show any day. It is possible that I am playing Devil's Advocate here as the spring of 1977 is hallowed ground. The bar is set pretty high. I had never heard a note of 5/25/77, and I was expecting something really, really great and all I got was good.

sffct and others of your ilk - this show is uniformly solid, which is better than so many of the archival releases. But as you say it lacks any sort of danger or ear-grabbing moments, and we all know those things can be found in previously-unreleased shows from 1977. So my question is -- what gives? Who really picks these things? Is it really Dave? I mean, no one, not even Dick could pick what I wanted to hear every time. That would be impossible, because there is no accounting for Deadhead preferences. But seriously, it's like someone hits the bong and thinks something sounds amazing, and next thing you know we are ponying up serious moola for a pedestrian trip. I'll play this thing again, but there is not one moment here where I will try to turn one of my friends on to some amazing happening. There just aren't any of those moments contained on this release. And that is a shame. And I agree that the whining, full-show contingent has made wading through these releases even more tedious than it used to be. I would much rather hear highlights than shows interspersed with weak renditions. I hit the skip button often during these whole-show affairs. I also compile best-of playlists, to save myself the trouble. Sure, I love my E72 box set, but am I going to sit through all of the Radio Luxembourg show ever again? (No.) On a positive note, I will say that Betty Cantor-Jackson made some great decisions during this tour as she prepared live-to-2-track mixes. They are not perfect, but are so much better than most of the unbalanced soundboard sources we are bombarded with. I'll have patience. That's what it takes with these guys, and it was always thus. The treats will emerge, painfully slowly.

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I would not say that Dave P #1 is a killer set, but I do think it is solid enough to kick off this series- and I am also of the camp that having the whole show is the best way to go- I can make my own "mix tape" and feel that even if a song that is part of the set is not something you would listen to over and over it is still a piece of the puzzle.In regards to this pick- I find my self going back to it because both the first set and second have interesting and inspired playing- I think that Mickey helps the groove on Mexicali and the only mess up on Brown E Women is the lyric and after that verse JG shreds the solo to make it up. I noticed some timid playing on Lazy-Supp but I think that's just because it was kind of new. For the second set- Scarlet Fire is great and I love how JG repeats Dead to the core with emphasis. The estimated is ok and I really like the He's Gone, but The other one is not driving enough- the second set is similiar to the Philly '89 set in some ways- both I think lose that fire on the other one, but who knows I may find some texture with repeated listenings. And maybe that's just it- Maybe it peaks too early.

The powers that be listen to a show many times over the course of weeks before the decision is made to release it. As for this show, I think it's fantastic. Hopefully after repeated listening, it's glory reveals itself to those who haven't found it yet.

Yeah, I thought I might strike a nerve or two.I listened to 5/9/77 Buffalo today and there is more excitement in the opening Help>Slip>Franklin's than in the entire three discs of Dave's #1. The first set is energetic, melodic and just plain fun. Donna must have been hearing herself clearly in the monitors as her harmonies are spot on. Big River just smokes and the inclusion of Sunrise is a rare treat. The second set starts hot with Bertha and features a sweet Ship of Fools, a mighty The Other One (more fierce and powerful than Dave's #1) and a sublime Comes a Time. The UJB encore is heartfelt and wonderful. In all, a more varied and unusual set list than Dave's #1. The quality of my Betty Board sourced copy is outstanding. I looked up 5/25/77 Richmond in the Deadhead's Taping Compendium and the review concluded with, "This show won't make casual collectors swear off Boston or Buffalo, but it shows how strong this tour is." Not the most ringing endorsement. One Man: "Danger!" That's the word. We want risk and danger in a Dead show, not perfunctoriness. I agree with your assessment, I join in your questions and I share your optimism. More is to come. I have a poor quality copy of the show that is to be Dave's #2 and I can't get a handle on its merits. We shall see. Dave's ear is good and his sensibilities are sincere. He's probably not making these decisions entirely alone, but I hope that the market researchers aren't too influential. Maybe the 1968 releases didn't sell as well as the 1977s but we want the unpredictability and variety that the band gave us to begin with. Why has there never been a official release from 1967? In closing I will just say: More 1960s! We've got plenty of 1970s for now. Please go easy on the 80s/90s.

P.S - Love the digipaks as long as I get the discs out in one piece the first time (no sure thing!)

Any UK Dave's Picks buyers get charged customs? I did - added another £11.30 on to the cost. No sub for me next year if this is going to happen, sadly it makes it unaffordable - buying from Spin CDs at their inflated prices will be cheaper when I take into account shipping and then customs.

please send me a PM and I'll see if I can get the situation improved.

I had a nasty sticker on the side of the box when it arrived this week - however the postie seemed not to have noticed it and never asked for any cash! Although they have tightened up on imported stuff it is my understanding from my sources in Royal Mail that there is little chance of anyone in the customs office taking notice of standard cd or dvd packets since the effort required to sort and collect these charges are more than it is worth. Even if a sticker gets added then there is little chance of anyone acting on it as it goes thru the system as it just holds things up. The problem this time was the bizzarre packaging which made the item stick out somewhat. Putting a little cd in a huge box is odd to say the least! Perhaps next time Rhino could return to the old style slimline envelopes. BTW an excellent job on this first edition - roll on number two.

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When is the release of Dave's Picks Vol. 47?