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    Pig - endings

    It's late on a Sunday and that means bed soon, but since my quick reply to TD's inquiry below, I've been further thinking about the tragedy of Pig - and I certainly think of it that way despite the manifest personal responsibility for the consequences of near incessant alcohol abuse from a young age. It's a spiraling decline that seems particularly pathos-laden given the picture of a gentle, genial man that emerges from all the familiar documentary sources.

    I take notes or attempt to catalogue page references by subject from my little library of the Dead, but realize I've done a poor job on this particular subject - and certainly during the general time frame implied by TD's question. So, I wanted to share a couple relevant - and heartbreakingly poignant - passages from Jackson's "Garcia/American Life" that I've revisited since:

    First, McIntire speaking: "I remember one day Garcia coming into my office and saying, 'Look, I'm really worried about Pig. I think his life is in danger, and I want to do whatever we can. The band'll pay for everything. Let's find out if there's anything we can do.' So I researched it and I found out the most famous place in the world for liver problems was Sheila Sherlock's clinic in London. But my doctor, Sandor Bernstein, said there was a guy at UCSF [University of California and San Francisco] who was as good. So we slotted Pig with him. And Pig jumped in and did, too. He stopped drinking and he learned all the things about nutrition that he could. He really tried, but it was too late."

    And second: "[On the tour] he rode on the hard bus, this Danish bus, which was sort of like the crew bus," Annette Flowers said. "It was the quieter of the two buses usually. Pigpen lived on the back bench of that bus. ... I think that trip sort of sunk it for him; put him over. It was really grueling in a lot of ways." "He got knocked off that bench five or six times," Rock Scully recalled. "He rolled off that bench and a couple of times he really hurt himself I could see it; he really hurt his kidneys and bruised himself. I'd have to help him off the bus."

    "He really tried, but it was too late." A short, simple statement, but one that can put fault lines in even a strong foundation. I recall reading that Pig sent Veronica away as his condition became increasingly acute, which, in light of other information, clearly underscores what a lonely and frankly terrifying period those final 12-18 months must have been for that kindhearted soul./K

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    I posted this in the taper forum, but thought this may be the better spot (also, patience is not a virtue of mine). I am sure this exists in written form somewhere, I just can't seem to find it.

    What is the official band policy for trading in shows that have been officially released? Specifically, I am wondering about the ones that were released officially but are out of print. Seems to me that if they are not for sale currently, we would not be costing the band money by trading those shows. In fact, the only folks it would cost are those selling the out of print releases at a profit on the secondary market. Just curious what the official policy is on this considering the volume of official releases these days.

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    Yes. I suspect Pig was resting from his short reunion tour with the band in December '71 and fortifying his commitment to sobriety in what had to have been an unfathomably difficult lifestyle change (if not in terms of medical necessity, then certainly in practice).

    "Ace" was recorded from January - March '72, but recall that Pig's alcohol-related health problems forced a touring hiatus in August '71 that culminated with hospitalization in September for bleeding ulcers, hepatitis, and spleen problems. He was only able to rejoin the Dead beginning early December in Boston, at which time I recall Phil describing Ron as shockingly frail in his book. Not surprisingly, Pig's contributions are limited, and while progressively more energetic throughout the month (at least to my ears), they are still anemic by historical standards; though by NYE he sounds beat.

    In retrospect, it's a miracle that the Dead community (once and future) got Pig back in functional form for the brilliantly recorded European tour, especially given how quickly he dropped off radar for related health problems afterward.

    EDIT: And yes, "sabbatical" serves as a neat and entirely appropriate bit of shorthand in conversation among those who know....

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    essentially it was a dead album with everyone on board contributing except for Micky who was on a sabbatical, (as i see it) and Pig, why wasnt Pig contributing? was he too sick at the time?

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    CC, your post invites a bit of confusion by suggesting that you saw both the Dead and TSOC on the same NYE bill at Winterland in '69; though 50 years is an understandably long time. It's hard to imagine, but the Dead were not playing on a West Coast home field that December 31st, and were rather in the midst of an odd eastbound triptik that took them to Dallas on 12/26, Hollywood (FL) on 12/28, and the Boston Tea Party on 12/29-30, while closing out at the Fillmore East on 1/2-3/70.

    Indeed, the '69 NYE playbill on the poster you linked does not name the Dead. So TSOC and the GoGD were on opposite coasts at the decade's close. In any event, here's a link to a CM SBD for the Dead's '69 NYE show:
    https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1969/12/31?source=87994

    Incidentally, I couldn't find a poster for Boston NYE, but here's one from the night before (it would appear the promo dept. missed the spirit of the "grateful" dead; you'd think an impossibly early incarnation of Maiden was playing that night!):
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YQBsfGwVEeo/TUSkqEWWy3I/AAAAAAAARQs/qRvbGdWK_…

    However, you are correct that the Dead played NYE '70 at Winterland, but, consistent with the playbill cited in Deadbase50, the following promo poster does not show TSOC on the same stage, but rather NRPS, "assorted friends" (apparently Hot Tuna), and Stoneground (note also, "lights by Little Princess 109").
    https://img0.etsystatic.com/030/0/8448089/il_570xN.542921874_q4nc.jpg

    Checking Deadbase, here's a link to what seems the complete NYE '70 show; however, it appears to be mix of AUD and FM broadcast that provides poor sound quality through Cumberland (even so, the Truckin' opener is well worth a listen), but thankfully improves in time for the set's highlights at Cryptical and China>Rider through close at UJB.
    https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1970/12/31?source=88719

    Regardless of which show you attended, either would've been a great way to kick off your own personal attendance record! Got a story?/K

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    You may want to post this on the Dave's Picks 31 thread so more people see it. Most folks are there.

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    I can not find the 1st GD show I attended anywhere in GD archives. No GD archive lists the same bands that I saw that night, as confirmed by the Sons archive which has the poster from that night:

    <<Wednesday, December 31, 1969: '1969 New Years Eve 1970', Winterland 2000 Post Street at Steiner Street, San Francisco, California
    The band was billed only as 'The Sons' on the poster printed for this show. Also on the bill: Quicksilver Messenger Service, Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna. Lights by Brotherhood of Light. This show, from 8:00pm to 8:00am, was promoted by Bill Graham Presents In San Francisco.>>
    http://brunoceriotti.weebly.com/the-sons-of-champlin.html

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    How do I update my address…

    How do I update my address for my Dave's subscription? Want to make sure #31 gets safely home!

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    limited releases logic explained

    Could you please explain the logic of "limited releases" as it applies to an "alternative" business model, such as the grateful dead" The "limited release" model is a concept taken from the good old music biznezz, in order to promote sales, keep prices high, and maintain collector value of limited products.
    I "missed" the window for daves pick's 30, a rare release from the year 1970, the first show that I recorded 1/3/70. I was disappointed, but managed to get one on a record/cd selling site. I paid double, but I still saved $$$, as I do not want to purchase a "subscription" to the daves picks yearly releases, as I am primarily interested in obtaining music from the 1966-1970 period, and not many releases are from these years. I guess I could always buy a subscription, and then sell off the unwanted items on another site for a profit, which is what this concept does, encourages a "black market". I do not consider this to be "progressive" in the least. I would rather purchase through GDCORP, as I have in the past, but if GDCORP wants to encourage this type of atmosphere, I am forced to participate in order to get what I want, and I am grateful to the sellers who have made it possible to get what I want. But it sure seems contrary to what Jerry's idea of business was.

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I see we furriners have a choice of either UPS or USPS. Any suggestions as to which is the most reliable?
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if we can get a bit of enlightenment on the subject.
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Am having all sorts of weird problems and strange things. Log in errors, pages not loading, only text loading-very odd. Is that just me, and a technical update of what's going on would be cool!********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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but for example the current events thread always loads really odd-AND suddenly I am getting e mail notices from that thread (never asked for them) but cannot see the new posts in the thread itself.********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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I've been seeing it for some days also. I just sent in a report on the subject; I suspect it's a side effect of some ongoing work and likely to sort itself out when said work is done, but I agree it gets unnerving.
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Plus everyone's pictures are missing; my face is beautiful and it needs flaunting! Because i'm worth it.
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I'm out cookies......oh, wait....I can go to the store...heehee! I should get beer, too, while I am there
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I'm out of cookies......oh, wait....I can go to the store...heehee! I should get beer, too, while I am there. (there....there....there......)
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I just started reading "Deadhead Social Science" and in the beginning of the book it is mentioned that you guys give out a free GD Almanac to everyone who joins the mailing list but this book was published around 2000 so i was wondering if that deal is still in play? Also when i try to join the mailing list it says that the page is not found. Thanks and Jerry Lives.
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Chen posted the first five pages this morning. Over the top dude, though I do admire his tenacity.
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is there an email list to get early notification regarding shows, and/or pre sales tickets?
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so, for example, for Furthur, you should go to Furthur.net. For 7 Walkers, go to their site, etc. Now that all the bandmembers have projects of their own, life gets complicated!
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The Taper's Section archive http://www.dead.net/features/tapers-section is missing a bunch of weeks (August 22-28 2011, all of April & May 2011, all of 2009, ...). What happened? Will they be back? Unfortunately, I've fallen way behind in my listening (I was on April 4-10, 2011) and I'd be very disappointed if these are gone for good. Thanks for your help.
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Was trying to purchase the latest Road Trips issue. Locks up when I click on "add to cart". Will try again tomorrow
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Comes out irregularly, some times twice a year. They do mail all their store address list as well, so you tend to get multiple copies. If you just have to have a Grateful Dead Talisman at 2am in the morning you can probably call an 800# and have it in your hands in 24 hours. Of course, this applies to music, too,
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Was looking for the problems reporting page. Settled for this. Sent a pm to TheNuthatch yesterday and this morning found no record of it. Resent and no record of it happening again. Que pasa?
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Just tried sending to marye. Noticed I didn't get a "succesful" message.Is there supposed to be a CAPTCHA thing at the bottom of the pm page?
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I'm going to try pm-ing you again right now. I'll let you know if it looks successful from this end. When you have a moment would you be so good as to send me a test so I can see if anything is coming thru this way? Thank you, step
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Marye I just tried sending you a message, even previewed it. Hit send, message disappears, didn't get a "successful" message. I'm on a MacBook Pro if it matters.
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if you're on this site early on the East Coast it's just awash with spam. I know dead.net has been trying different things to stop it, all to no avail. Is there anything between the absolute freedom of being on here and getting people NOT to do just one simple thing? One suggestion: Higher a shift of 5 people to work from 1-6am wiping out spam. Clearly MaryE is overwhelmed, even wit Blair's help.
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I have a suggestion for a future Dave's Pick,please don't laugh. Boise,Idaho-9/2/83.OK in the annuls of great GD shows it is not even ever considered.But it was a really good show.1st of all it was the ONLY TIME they played in Idaho.Most heads skipped this show to attend the Park West,Utah one a couple of days later so you might say it was an intimate setting by number of people that attended.And even though the Pavillion is not a very good place accoustically(finding a decent bootleg has been all but impossible)for a concert the Band responded and played a killer show for the few who attended.The 1st set was a pretty typicle "83" set - Wang Dang Doodle> Jack Straw, TLEO, Mama Tried> Big River, B. E. Women, Minglewood, Big RxR Blues, L. L. Rain> Deal.The Deal was exceptionally good,one of the ones where Jerry just does not want to end and keeps jamming,stretching it out.Overall a pretty good 1st set. But the 2nd set was the one of those killer 2nd sets that would make it a worthwhile Daves Pick - Help> Slipknot> Franklin's, Estimated> Eyes> Drumz> Throwing Stones> GDTRFB> Black Peter> Sugar Magnolia E: Baby Blue. It was the 1st Help>Slip>Franklins in 10 shows and 1 of only 16 played for that year out of 66 shows!As a matter of fact Estimated(16),Eyes(13),GDTRFB(10) and Black Peter(14) were all played sparingly that year. I suppose I may be biased about this show and would love to see it released for sentimental reasons(it was one of if not the best show I ever saw out of about 60) but I believe it is worthy of consideration. I know as I said before out of the thousands of shows the Dead played it probably would never be considered as one of their greatest shows but it's these types of shows that NEED to be considered for such a series of releases. Please check it out.I would be very interested in your opinion of the show and it's chances of consideration. Bill the Deadhead
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Is there a official release for this show? (Winterland Feb.24th 1974) And if not when!!!!! And if so... where! Thanks, looking forward! Mike Raf
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There was this version of The Other One I heard on the grateful Dead Hour A long time ago, and I'm pretty sure it was from a 90's show, where the vocals sounded like donald/daffy duck... Does anyone know this show? Where I can find it again? I taped it on cassette and don't have it anymore, I think I also got a really good Standing On The Moon from the same Grateful Dead Hour... Other One with Donald duck vocals?? I really loved it.
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I uploaded some photos of the May 11, 1979 show at the Billerica Forum (MA) a couple of years ago, but now I don't see them. Has something changed (a setting perhaps) or were they taken down?Thanks, Ken
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I went to a Dead show in Atlanta, Ga sometime between 1969 & 1970 at a venue called The Sports Arena. There was a problem with the Dead's equipment & the Allman Bothers drove up from Macon & let them use theirs. Most of the show was Them with various members of the Allmans. Killer show as I remember & would love to find a tape of the show. I have lots to trade with anyone. George
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Hi , Can you please provide me either Robert Hunter's email id or phone number or home address . I would be highly obliged to you if if you can help me locate him . My email id is yesbhatia@gmail.com ( I reside in India ) Regards, Yash
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Hi Marye , I have dropped in a mail to iceninepublishing . Lets see whether they can help Regards, Yash
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Copied the below text from "Couple observations from last night" cause I would like to see the scene clean-up a bit. I sure do miss seeing the old guard around at shows. Hey I miss Jerry bout as much as anyone, but if you're alive check Furthur because they are bringing the real deal around and around, for only so long, this time. What do other Deadheads think about helping the scene be better. Are Bobby/ Phil helping the Shakedown scene happen well? Perhaps I should ask an insider, I think there's one here . . . Happy New Year! 2012. What a ripping show last night. Only Jerry's live presence could have made it better. Not to say JK isn't tearing it up, cause he is bringing the heat. The whole band is tight, in a good way. Wifey and I wondering why there aren't more pictures of Russo? I, like many Deadheads (only title I've excepted, post Garcia's passing) wonder at Mickey and Bills absence. If it's a financial decision, I am appalled. That said, Russo is excellent. I can not say one is better than another. Even JK and Jerry, sure do miss Jerry's voice and playing; if I could never hear him again and he was sitting next to me listening to Furthur that would be better than how it is. However, w/ JK all I can hope is that he plays as much, or more , than Jerry, Loves life, a bit cleaner, and rocks on and on; love that his own sound and arrangements are coming through and hoping Bobby/ Phil can support him in leading the band. Certainly Bobby/ Phil will always garnish due respect; but come-on, lead guitar drives the bus; even though everyone, even me, lead the band sometimes. It is how it is and I am loving it. Listened to a Phish show from a good friend who's never taken them in, then a week ago they came home for him. http://operationwasabi.com/nospoilers/ph2011-12-28-set1-ns.mp3 Just heard the Decemberists' version of Row Jimmy, excellent. The miracles and life lessons I've received from my years touring, taping, cooking, selling trinkets, and cleaning up, just awesome. Love, Truth, abundant. Last people in CalExpo lot, cops driving by w/ lights flashing, no sirens, me ripping djembe, girl listening, it was an excellent night, Gloria not the highlight but best version I'd heard. Lone dude crosses the lot to only other car. Shortly there-after my elbow was dripping, it's confirmed, I am home. A few days later at Laguna Seca there's Pepper fixing some dude's car, dash torn apart shoulder deep in helping another go on down the road, couple hours before LSD start time (that's Laguna Seca Days) That's what's missing from the Furthur scene: family. We've received criticism from folks for having our children at the shows . . . I am seriously sorry folks missed the scene "back in the day," but it's simple, LOVE/ TRUTH. So what's with the hating? Phish rips, you don't like em don't listen, maybe one day you'll like them, maybe not. If I know one thing in this life: keep an open mind, make no decision before it's time. No Time to Hate. Be Here Now. At the Merch. table inside they hand out little advertisement/ setlist stiffys. It's not my gig, mostly cause if the music is on I'm gigging. I've loved tracking the setlists and often have notes of jams not caught in other lists, but, while I'm writing I'm missing something, sometimes that's OK. Kind of like a camera, a little separated from the experience while I'm trying to frame and capture it, best done for me in moving meditation. Last night ripped! So looking forward to re-cast in an hour. I love that people are willing to put opinions out, hash it out a bit, contemplate. Nice to have a forum, other than AA/ NA where folks communicate without interruption. Although the Dead shows of yore there were multiplicities of verbal and non that were w/o interruption. I could walk through entire shows, and I'm saying all over, w/o bumping another but lightly, respectfully and with notice, care, and communication. Bringing the vibe to Furthur: remove the Crack, H, Nitrous, X; propensities. Bring back the LOVE/ TRUTH. Quick shout out to John Dwork and hARRY hAHN. LOVE YOU GUYS! Time Is A Stripper Doing It Just For You. Don't miss it Hating.
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quite a few Furthur discussions going on here, so jump right in...
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When posting to the forum I kept getting a gateway error message and I assumed my post never got submitted. I was wrong and now there are 6 or 7 posts for everytime I resubmitted. Since I really don't want to look like a spam bot and would like to share the links with this community is it possible to delete all but one of the posts? It's the one's with Into The Blue in the subject line. I'm assuming this has to be done on your end. Thanks so much.
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I once found a picture of the piece I'm referring to on this website. Tonight I'm unable to find it. I'm trying to set the record straight about this piece. The paragraph that was under the photo describing it was a cute story but completely false. So please if anyone (you guys) cares or at least is curious I would love to talk to someone.I can be contacted @ Iwantalan@hotmail.com or @ 781-733-4361 Peacefully, Alan Walker 1130 Tetherow rd. Williams, Oregon 97544
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Anyone going to Furthur's NY Beacon Run? Just wanted to know who was going and what to expect financially. I will be taking a bus from Bethlehem,PA to a NY,NY station. Any advice/help/guide? I'm 18 and will be doing this solo for the 1st time. I have been to other stores but only with friends. I love The deads music and will be seeing Bob' Acoustic show in Wilkes=Barre, PA. Thanks alot anything, help would be useful
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I can't find any evidence of such an image, so it could be that whoever posted it thought better of it somewhere along the line. If you get a specific link, I'll follow up. shrams, thanks, dealt with it, I THINK... you were one of many that got caught up in that little issue...
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Hi all... A friend and I are thinking about doing Shake down at a show or 2 this year... We have questions of how to go about it. I have heard if u don't follow proper channels the powers that be can just take your wares and kick you out....We will be truly grateful for any info on this. (~):}
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I'd say it would depend wildly on the promoter and the venue involved, seriously. Others with recent experience are invited to weigh in, but there are some shows where vending is actively encouraged and there's a clear path on how to do it, and other shows where you'll get mercilessly harassed and busted if you try. Often on the same tour. Or such has been my observation over the years. So I'd say before you invest heavily in this plan, do a little research, because it is big fun and many miraculous, enlightening rewards can come along the way and some real bummers as well. Watch each card, etc.
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for starters, are there any shows you have tickets for already? What tours are you planning to hit from an audience standpoint? This would help focus our thinking a bit.
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We have tix for 1 show for the Beacon at the moment.. I would not mind vending at a show I don't have tix for,, plenty of fun in the lot. I enjoy Mann at Phillie,,, Would like to do that.
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folks familiar with these venues, speak up! I'm on the West Coast and don't have a clue!
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you might head over to the Your Own Storefront topic, which normally wouldn't be the place I'd suggest for this but in this case might have a high concentration of vendors.